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Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by hbn on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @09:40AM (#33246952)
> Last year we launched Firefox Colorways, a new desktop feature that allowed our users to express their most authentic selves and bring joy while browsing the web

> “‘Independent Voices’ are the voices of the past and present that create a better future,” said Keely Alexis. “I chose this [analogy] as my inspiration for the collaboration because it feels authentic to me but it also aligns with Firefox and the vision that we can make the world better, on the internet and beyond.”

Jesus, can you just say "we've got themes?" No one is going to remember Firefox as the next MLK Jr because they let you turn the window chrome orange.

Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by Nextgrid on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @10:04AM (#33247313)
I remember being able to add a background to Firefox' UI a decade ago. Maybe they've removed it and are now celebrating it as a new feature despite it actually being a casualty of the browser's never-ending devolution.
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by Macha on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @01:29PM (#33250958)
They actually still support legacy themes, persona themes and colorways themes last I checked, so three generations of themes. I'm surprised with how much they like to deprecate stuff
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by stoplying1 on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @10:05AM (#33247318)
Does it still have the cursed text with it that says "going away in (some month soon)".

It's so stupid and confusing and baffling that I want to rage quit Firefox with this as the absolute last straw. Like wtf, you're gonna take back my color in a few months? Just pull the upsell for it? Why the hell am I having to wonder about any of this? Why on God's green earth was this done instead of spending any effort getting a SINGLE bit of unity among the Bookmarks, Downloads and Add-ons panels, all of which should behave at least rougly similarly. (Because, to be clear, I had a Firefox theme that was imperceptibly similar to this months ago before this Colorways upsell)

I don't get it. I do not do not do not get it. And now they're screwing around with another extensions menu that takes space on the toolbar but doesn't de-dupe with the extension buttons themselves (I actually can see where this Might be going, but again, zero clear comms about it).

I'm the poster boy for an annoying Firefox advocate and I'm increasingly looking at selling my laptop to build a woodworking shed because it all feels hopeless.

Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by dylan604 on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @10:17AM (#33247545)
>Why on God's green earth was this done instead of

You are not alone. I'm starting to think something is wrong with me because I don't give an iota of a damn about any of this. I have watched people just get sucked into the rabbit hole of browsing for themes for the their browser while accomplishing exactly nothing after being overwhelmed and paralyzed by the choices. (Kinda like trying to find something to watch on streaming platforms)

Me, I have the default desktops from the OS, mobile OS, etc. I have too many windows covering my desktop to even care what it looks like. Yes, that's me, and I'm not even close to being everyone else. If this is the thing that convinces people to stop using Chrome, then fine. Spend time making the UI customizable to the point it looks like a MySpace background because that's what 99.9999% of people not me want. I'll do me, you do you.

Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by forsythe_ on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @10:23AM (#33247649)
I think the entire point is that Mozilla has depended on people "like you" to stay relevant for years and knows that's not a great long-term growth strategy compared to appealing to the general populace who cares about things like customizable themes.
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by rjzzleep on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @10:33AM (#33247801)
Chrome isn't the most common browser on the planet because of its identity politics. It's actually addressing real needs(i.e. a default browser on common computing device - used to be reason for antitrust but w/e), rather than a loud vocal subsection of a handful of societies, so I don't think that that growth strategy works.

Given that a huge number of Chrome users probably come from societies that actively despise this kind of stuff, it might actually backfire.

Lucky for them I guess most people outside of HN probably never even read that marketing material, so I think it's more of a circle jerk for the marketing dpt.

Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by yjftsjthsd-h on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @12:40PM (#33250164)
> Chrome isn't the most common browser on the planet because of its identity politics. It's actually addressing real needs(i.e. a default browser on common computing device - used to be reason for antitrust but w/e), rather than a loud vocal subsection of a handful of societies, so I don't think that that growth strategy works.

I'm pretty sure Chrome is the most common browser on the planet because Google abused its market position in search and mobile (Android) to shove it down people's throats, helped along by bundling it with other installers. Everything else was secondary.

Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by insanitybit on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @12:50PM (#33250335)
Mozilla could have gone to OEMs like Dell and said "We'll pay you to pre-install Firefox" but they didn't, Google did. I wonder if that would have cost more or less than the yearly bonuses the CEO takes?
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by dylan604 on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @01:41PM (#33251134)
Has any non-ad driven piece of software ever used this inorganic growth hack? Admittedly, it has been a long long time since I've suffered using an OS burdened with this kind of malady, but it was definitely where I learned about how apps are not as "free" as one might be led to believe. It was these types of apps and the damn browser toolbar installs that were dark-UI/hidden installed when installing a completely different app.
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by insanitybit on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @03:11PM (#33252399)
I don't know who has or has not used that approach, but if you're going to say "Chrome is popular because it did these things" I'm going to wonder why Mozilla didn't do those things. I remember the first time I downloaded Chrome was because I got some item in Runescape for doing that. Why didn't Mozilla do that?

Mozilla has hundreds of millions of dollars at minimum, very likely billions. It's absurd that they're failing so miserably, and it's obscene that their CEO has taken increasingly large 8 figure bonuses while the company has floundered under her leadership.

Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by dylan604 on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @04:14PM (#33253222)
>I'm going to wonder why Mozilla didn't do those things.

Self respect?

Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by insanitybit on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @04:42PM (#33253592)
Is that Mozilla's mission? Self respect? I thought it was a more open web.
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by dylan604 on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @10:03AM (#33262316)
As if those are mutually exclusive
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by insanitybit on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @02:29PM (#33266083)
I don't think my statement implies that they are, if anything yours does.
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by vagrantJin on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @11:35PM (#33257295)
> Google abused its market position in search and mobile (Android) to shove it down people's throats,

That may have helped but chrome really was a great browser.

I don't use chrome and haven't done so outside of work for over a decade.

Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by GekkePrutser on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @10:09PM (#33256618)
So alienating their last supporters and promoters will get them back in the mainstream? How will that work?

And Firefox has always had themes. Real themes. Colorways is just some coloring and it's not even staying around for these supposed mainstream users to enjoy

Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by dividedbyzero on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @10:48AM (#33248070)
> I have watched people just get sucked into the rabbit hole of browsing for themes for the their browser while accomplishing exactly nothing after being overwhelmed and paralyzed by the choices

When done in the physical world this is called decorating, I guess theming is just a digital version of hanging a print from Ikea on the wall. When I do this sort of thing, I usually do accomplish something, because I like looking at pretty things, doing so makes me happier, making my things prettier helps me feel a bit happier when I look at them. Whether that has value depends on perspective, though I feel if it doesn't then that perspective is a pretty dismal one. It's also a way to make an abstract and alien thing feel a bit more familiar and "one's own", and computers are plenty alien and intimidating for a lot of people.

Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by soundnote on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @03:57PM (#33252984)
The moronic thing about these new "colorways" is that the company still refuses the sane default: Mostly grayish or very, very lightly tinted UI with a decently dark, contrasting tab bar. All these new themes have a lot of color outside the tab bar, but credit to Mozilla that the "soft" ones still manage more experienced contrast than their white-on-white abomination of a light theme.
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by GekkePrutser on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @10:15PM (#33256666)
White on white is what chrome uses so they think that's fashionable.

They don't understand people love Firefox because it's not Chrome. Not because it's not Chrome enough.

Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by soundnote on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @11:40PM (#33257322)
Chrome uses a very light gray with a medium-light gray for the tab bar. It's noticeably more contrast than Firefox's light theme.
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by forsythe_ on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @10:20AM (#33247593)
Counter argument: is it actually worth getting this upset over themes?

Yes, the marketing behind it is stupid because it attempts to correlate some deeper symbolic meaning to the act of choosing colors for your web browser. But as a fellow Firefox advocate, I would rather Mozilla plays around with these sort of corny marketing concepts as a way of gaining market share rather than rely on Google's patronage ad-infinitum.

Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by bityard on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @11:20AM (#33248658)
I would rather Mozilla put their time and money into actually improving on the things they _used to_ to better than Chrome and IE, like building a vibrant and diverse community, listening to their users, focusing on giving the user control over their own browsing experience, and being first to market with privacy features.

It feels to me like they just ran out of either the will or the engineers to do the hard innovative stuff and are just trying to turn Firefox into their own UX art project at this point.

Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by tweetle_beetle on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @02:54PM (#33252177)
> ... listening to their users, focusing on giving the user control over their own browsing experience ...

To play devil's advocate, that may well be exactly what they're doing. I've always used Firefox, but I'm aware that I'm not a typical user andmy interests likely don't align with mass adaoption.

I've said it before when Firefox has released new features that the HN crowd aren't interested in - there's not enough of you (us) for your opinions on [ themes ] to matter. And if this is a quicker way to grow adoption then it's a good thing in the long term.

I don't have access to statistics to qualify whether or not this is the case and contribute to making it harder to evaluate by turning off telemetry and never using Google ads, so I can't exactly complain.

Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by GekkePrutser on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @10:18PM (#33256684)
> I don't have access to statistics to qualify whether or not this is the case and contribute to making it harder to evaluate by turning off telemetry and never using Google ads, so I can't exactly complain.

Yes you can complain. They should be well aware that their remaining userbase is very averse to telemetry.

If anything the companies going all-in on telemetry and A-B testing are making ever worse products. Like Microsoft with their Teams that gets slower and more confusing every month.

> And if this is a quicker way to grow adoption then it's a good thing in the long term.

What growth? I only see a decline. All they succeed at is alienating the users that were still using it. Not gaining new ones.

Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by stoplying1 on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @12:24PM (#33249866)
I don't care about marketing. I care about being fucking confused what it means that a colorized theme of Firefox is "going away". I'm still confused and everyone seems to just dance around it. Wtaf!?
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by nyanpasu64 on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @12:26PM (#33249893)
I used to use a colorway I liked. But every new Firefox installation I added to my Sync profile would erase the color scheme, and once Firefox removed their "limited-time colorway" I couldn't even install or sync the same theme to my newly setup computers. So I gave up on installing colorways on any of my computers.
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by andrepd on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @10:18AM (#33247555)
> instead of spending any effort getting a SINGLE bit of unity among the Bookmarks, Downloads and Add-ons panels

One thing I'd actually like is a reasonably powerful history browser/manager. I want to look for websites I visited in a custom time period, how many times I visited a website last month, or in January, or whatever.

It's all very poor as it stands: a very simple interface with no power-features whatsover, a fixed set of time periods to view (today, yesterday, last month), and a simple total visit count and timestamp of most recent visit.

Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by BenjiWiebe on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @10:05PM (#33256569)
I believe the history file is a SQLite database. I suppose you could maybe do something with that directly.
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by alexvoda on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @08:18AM (#33261016)
It is and you can.

But the vast vast vast majority of people want to interact with (places in Firefox lingo) bookmarks, history and downloads from the browser instead of closing the browser and open a deeply nested file in a database manager app and write SQL queries to get the data they want.

Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by throwaway82390 on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @12:33PM (#33250042)
New colorway themes are a limited time offer because that will create seasonal excitement and users will be more likely to customize their Firefox theme if they know the other options will be taken away from them in a few months. Or at least that's product management's hypothesis for increasing user engagement.
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by Macha on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @01:23PM (#33250887)
So we're going to use FOMO to increase the interaction rate of a feature. I'm sure that looks great on the PM's quarterly review when they can point out how many users used the feature, but is it actually better for the users who were uninterested in the feature?
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by GekkePrutser on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @10:08PM (#33256598)
Indeed, I also don't even understand why they think colorways is even worth looking at when they're going to remove it anyway.

I just don't get the point. Have a feature or not. But not this temporary stuff. I suppose they think doing a "killed by Google" will make them as popular as chrome again :)

Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by boppo1 on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @08:29AM (#33261151)
I heard a rumor about 3-4 years ago they culled engineering and expanded DEI/HR. Didn't look into it because I don't care about that kind of thing, but it seems like it could be a relevant explanation.
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by reitanqild on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @10:13AM (#33247451)
Firefox used to be so extensible that what is developer tools in every browser today started in Firefox as an extension, Firebug (yes, I am aware it is slightly more nuanced, but it is close enough for this argument.)

Also for a long while one of my preferred FTP programs was just a Firefox extension.

Yes, I think Google must be punished harsher for Chrome than Microsoft was for IE, but Mozilla couldn't have done much more to eradicate their market share without losing plausible deniability ;-)

Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by dylan604 on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @10:18AM (#33247571)
>Also for a long while one of my preferred FTP programs was just a Firefox extension.

Looks at calendar to confirm, yup, it's close to the end of 2022, and people are still using FTP. <facepalm>

Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by reitanqild on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @10:21AM (#33247609)
Haven't used it for years (5 years since last I can remember and that was close to a one off).

I used it only as an example.

Oh, and BTW I always tried to use SCP or SFTP where possible the last few years.

Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by capableweb on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @10:45AM (#33248012)
As long as it's FTPS and it works for the intents and purposes you use it for, what's wrong with using it?
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by dylan604 on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @11:42AM (#33249097)
FTPS !== FTP which is what the comment I replied to stated.

If we just get to make up stuff, then what a fun day this will be

Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by 0x457 on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @01:46PM (#33251218)
You sure that you're not confusing SFTP and FTPS? FTPS is absolutely FTP.

Also, FTP is still used a lot, unfortunately.

Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by dylan604 on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @04:05PM (#33253085)
So you're telling me that if I enter ftp://blah to something expecting a secured connection that it'll work just fine no problems? Then I have to ask what the point of the 'S' really is.

>Also, FTP is still used a lot, unfortunately.

Um, like, yup. Please see my original comment on my feeling on this.

Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by 0x457 on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @06:19PM (#33254802)
No, what I'm saying FTPS is just plain FTP over TLS connection, there is nothing special about it. When you talk to a web server, do you refer to the piece of software that does communication for you "http client" or "https client" or "http and or https <version> client"?

What I'm saying: You're being needlessly pedantic. When people say FTP, they might mean SFTP, it might talk about FTPS or plain FTP. If I read original comment correctly, it is about FireFTP, it talks all 3 commonly used flavors of FTP. Notice how it's called FireFTP and not FireSFTP/FTP/FTPS...

Me, personally, always specifically clarify that I'm talking about plain-text FTP when I talk about plain-text FTP because of how bonkers it is.

Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by dylan604 on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @09:50PM (#33256449)
Thanks for the mansplanation. I was confused on what FTPS was.
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by steve_adams_86 on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @10:51AM (#33248123)
How else would you deploy your k8s cluster?
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by Sebb767 on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @11:19AM (#33248640)
TFTP over X.25, obviously.
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by uni_rule on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @10:14AM (#33247489)
God what a non-issue.
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by causi on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @10:28AM (#33247724)
Jesus, can you just say "we've got themes?" No one is going to remember Firefox as the next MLK Jr because they let you turn the window chrome orange.

Meanwhile Firefox Android is still a slow, unstable garbage pile. How many years now since Mozilla began developing exclusively for headline writers instead of their users?

Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by sabellito on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @10:50AM (#33248104)
I use FF Android every day, including watching videos, and haven't noticed the "unstable garbage pile". Are you being hyperbolic?
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by _wolfie_ on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @11:09AM (#33248432)
Well it's useable, I use it as well, but definitely worse then before this "new" version. And I want the extension support back.
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by godshatter on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @11:34AM (#33248936)
Install Fennec using F-Droid, it's firefox with more extensions than what firefox for android allows. Are they ever going to re-enable other extensions on firefox android? Firefox used to be synonymous with "awesome list of helpful extensions".
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by Georgelemental on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @11:35AM (#33248956)
I've had the opposite experience, switched to Firefox on Android after the new update because of the better performance and UI. Limited extension support is annoying, but if you get it from F-Droid or use the nightly version, you can enable a hidden setting that lets you install any extension you like.
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by zeppelin101 on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @11:11AM (#33248468)
Me too. It's my main browser on Android for years now and it works great.
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by causi on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @12:15PM (#33249696)
Have you actually tried a different one lately? I tried Vivaldi and was astonished at how much snappier it is. No more weird crashes on launch. No more Desktop Mode button that breaks if you hit the Back button. No more failed attempts to dismiss a tab because using your phone in landscape mode made it adjust the swipe length to six damn inches long.
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by zeppelin101 on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @12:44PM (#33250241)
I haven't tried other browsers lately. I agree that FF is less snappy compared to Chrome, for example, but I have a fast phone. I haven't experienced those issues you talk about - maybe it's just my luck! I particularly like the ad-blocking abilities of FF.
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by causi on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @12:52PM (#33250364)
I still use Firefox for high-risk browsing like porn or piracy, but for regular browsing the adblocking built into Vivaldi or Brave works just fine.
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by zeppelin101 on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @01:22PM (#33250870)
Interesting that you'd bring up Vivaldi. I think I tried it on my phone a few years back and it worked OK. But on a PC or Mac, it's the most bloated and slow piece of software I've seen. Which is a damn shame, because it has a lot of unique features.
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by causi on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @01:40PM (#33251114)
I agree fully. It's quite nice on mobile, though. I especially like being able to automatically hide the status bar while in landscape mode to maximize vertical space. There's also the advantage that, as a Chromium-based browser, the Assistant command "read aloud" works.
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by charcircuit on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @11:48AM (#33249233)
Have you compared it to mobile chrome? Chrome feels so much faster.
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by nyanpasu64 on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @12:28PM (#33249930)
On Firefox Nightly, I randomly get tabs that break and show an interactive version of the previously switched-to tab until you restart the browser, dragging a text handle to the left of a Hacker News comment crashes the entire browser, etc.
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by rPlayer6554 on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @12:39PM (#33250149)
Then stop using nightly.....
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by GordonS on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @01:55PM (#33251349)
Nightly is the only build where you can use extensions, which IMO is the reason to use FF on mobile :(
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by mFixman on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @05:50PM (#33254520)
I'm using extensions on regular Firefox 106 for Android.
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by cute_boi on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @06:14PM (#33254763)
If I am correct we can only choose few extensions including ublock in ff(except nightly?
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by BiteCode_dev on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @12:49PM (#33250325)
Breaking news, unstable version is unstable.
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by sfink on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @01:26PM (#33250917)
Sounds like you're having problems with WebRender? Maybe it's unhappy with your graphics card or something. Definitely worth filing a bug and attaching your about:support.

I used to have much more minor issues that are somewhat similar to what you describe, but they've been fixed for the last year or so. (I run Nightly all the time, on Linux, and generally have remarkably few issues with it.)

Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by nicbou on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @07:58PM (#33255712)
I reinstalled Chrome recently to test a website, and it felt so much faster. It really surprised me.

Still, I won't browse the web without uBlock Origin, so Firefox is here to stay.

Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by wlesieutre on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @10:44AM (#33247993)
> “‘Independent Voices’ are the voices of the past and present that create a better future,” said Keely Alexis. “I chose this [analogy] as my inspiration for the collaboration because it feels authentic to me but it also aligns with Firefox and the vision that we can make the world better, on the internet and beyond.”

Hooli is about people. Hooli is about innovative technology that makes a difference, transforming the world as we know it. Making the world a better place, through minimal message oriented transport layers.

Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by pluc on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @11:12AM (#33248473)
I love Firefox but the hubris is takes to think a few themes for your app is a betterment for the world is hard to fathom
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by rasz on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @01:35PM (#33251050)
Not hard at all when you look at salaries and allocation of funds.
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by ChuckNorris89 on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @11:00AM (#33248283)
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by pbhjpbhj on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @12:07PM (#33249558)
Sounds like Zombo.com
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by layer8 on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @07:07PM (#33255296)
Zombo.com is way better. Firefox could make it the default start page.
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by echelon on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @01:41PM (#33251138)
There's truth in Mike Judge's caricature. It's because you don't get paid as much to say "we've got themes".

Classic example (pdf warning) :

https://www.goldennumber.net/wp-content/uploads/pepsi-arnell...

That PDF cost Pepsi millions of dollars.

Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by odiroot on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @03:11PM (#33252401)
There's a great Polish saying for this occasion: a fish rots from the head down.
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by xfitm3 on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @10:04PM (#33256566)
Mitchell Baker.
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by hda2 on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @01:19AM (#33258052)
Is her salary still inversely correlated with Firefox's userbase?
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by b3nji on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @05:23PM (#33254211)
Gavin always said it best.
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by Barrin92 on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @10:44AM (#33247995)
the entire colorways branding reminds me so much of that Silicon Valley scene it's hilarious. That said the themes are pretty good though, in particular the matte versions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtF_zpJc_w

Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by saint-loup on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @10:55AM (#33248203)
I observed the change in tone in Mozilla blog posts, from experts talking about their craft to marketspeak.

Even posts I should be professionally partial to, like those about UI design, rub me of the wrong way. It's often full of "creating delightful experiences" and "streamlining a seamless flow".

Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by dblohm7 on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @12:29PM (#33249948)
Former Mozilla engineer here.

> I observed the change in tone in Mozilla blog posts, from experts talking about their craft to marketspeak.

I think I can explain what you're seeing here. The original blog.mozilla.org was run very much like the old "MSDN blogs" from Microsoft (think Raymond Chen's The Old New Thing.)

When I started at Mozilla a decade ago, my manager told me to file a request for my own space on blogs.mozilla.org -- which was denied. I was told that this was because blog.mozilla.org was being refocused as the "official" Mozilla blog.

People who already had accounts on there were grandfathered in, which is why some people (Nick Nethercote's blog come to mind) still had blogs on there. Obviously as those developers moved on, those employee blogs have gradually died off.

These days, if you want technical content, you'll need to look at hacks.mozilla.org for "officially sanctioned" pieces, or look at the blogs that publish to planet.mozilla.org for developer blogs (though much like blogging in general, there is much less traffic on there compared to a decade ago).

TL;DR: The focus of blog.mozilla.org is primarily corporate and marketing at this point.

Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by margarina72 on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @09:03PM (#33256144)
thanks for the explanation, didn't know about those spaces.
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by Aardwolf on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @10:58AM (#33248252)
In Windows 3.11 you could choose all the colors you wanted for every part of the window rendering (and it wasn't called "limited edition" or whatever there either, and naming it limited edition in FF as in the image caption in the article doesn't inspire confidence to rely on this feature long term).

Nothing recent comes close to that, even Linux desktops make it hard to choose colors or how visible your scrollbars are if you prefer to actually see and use scrollbars (sometimes you can edit CSS files that get overwritten again each time you update your system).

Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by dkdmso on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @11:46AM (#33249184)
KDE definitely still lets you theme like crazy, I believe including the scroll bar settings

The CSS comment sounds like Gnome. I used Gnome for fifteen years and got tired of what you're complaining about and switched to KDE eight or nine months ago and haven't looked back

Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by Aardwolf on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @12:16PM (#33249712)
Actually a few years ago KDE plasma had a huge volume icon appearning in the middle of the screen everytime you changed the volume (which I do subconsciously all the time as it's just a simple scrollwheel flick in the bottom right of the screen), which looked horrible and was right in the middle of that what I'm working on or watching.

The only way to disable that was to edit a javascript file of KDE, which, indeed, did get overwritten back to the default one whenever doing a system update.

So I use KDE sometimes. Never as much as when it was KDE 3.5 though. KDE 4 and higher made me lose interest in it and stuff like the above is part of that. Also the fact that there are some textual config files in recent KDE versions, which have base64 encoded parameters in them (rather than human readable/editable strings), and these base64 encoded parameters are actually UTF-16 strings. With all due respect, but no.

Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by BenjiWiebe on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @10:07PM (#33256587)
That's one thing I really like about KDE - endless customizability. I actually end up using a lot of the defaults anyways.
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by GekkePrutser on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @10:24PM (#33256730)
KDE can be completely transformed by themes and they've also just introduced a choice of accent color for the default Breeze theme. A bit similar to what macOS has.

I really love that about KDE, the configurability.

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Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by chowells on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @03:41PM (#33252786)
Blame Marie Kondo. It's just modern self-help vocabulary.
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by peoplefromibiza on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @02:07PM (#33251549)
Does anyone remembers when Firefox was called Phoenix and it was born as the lightweight alternative to Mozilla and it was already highly configurable theme wise on basically calculators for today's standards?

https://blog.mozilla.org/community/files/2013/05/2002_phoeni...

Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by soundnote on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @03:51PM (#33252914)
I spontaneously developed cancer and projectile vomited in an impressive arc on reading their marketing copy for this stuff. Easy theming is nice, but holy fuck. Talk about saccharine.
Re:Privacy online just got easier with today’s Firefox release by OJFord on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @09:00PM (#33256128)
Which presumably you could already do with userChrome.css if you really cared anyway!