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Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by mesofile on Thursday June 23, 2022 @12:41PM (#31851656)
I thought the way that South Park put it (in the voice of Randy Marsh) many years ago was just about perfect:

“Well, Stan, the truth is marijuana probably isn't gonna make you kill people, and ...it most likely isn't gonna fund terrorists, but... Well son, pot makes you feel fine with being bored and... It's when you're bored that you should be learning some new skill or discovering some new science or... being creative. If you smoke pot you may grow up to find out that you aren't good at anything.” [0]

To be clear, I don’t wholly agree, I know too many talented and hard-working stoners, but it does sum up the passive danger of cannabis rather nicely I think.

[0] https://southpark.fandom.com/wiki/My_Future_Self_n%27_Me/Scr...

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by marginalia_nu on Thursday June 23, 2022 @01:28PM (#31852405)
I think this is largely the problem with mobile phones as well. Like you probably aren't going to go mad or get rectangular eyes or whatever, but you can just sort of sedate that sensation of boredom with scrolling reddit or facebook or whatever, which does all of bupkis for making us happy in the long term.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by blowski on Thursday June 23, 2022 @01:39PM (#31852571)
This is the same argument with all consuming vs producing.

It's why there was a moral panic in the 1800s over Jane Austen style fiction, in the 1930s over radio, and so on.

Being addicted to cannabis is not really any different to playing computer games 12 hours a day, doing endless marathons, watching sports, investing, or many similar activities.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by walleeee on Thursday June 23, 2022 @04:15PM (#31854589)
phones are on a different level than fiction or radio or arguably even cannabis imo

you can do something else while you listen to the radio or smoke pot (e.g., clean your house, hang out with friends or family, with weed you can even read or program)

phones and books both consume your attention, but a book at least demands a bit of effort to follow and might introduce you to new ideas or vocabulary, even if you're reading pulp fiction

on the other hand you can scroll twitter or insta or watch tiktok absolutely mindlessly, and doing so will tend to become a habit all while it chips away at your attention span and your willpower

weed can make boredom feel ok too, and can certainly affect attention, willpower and memory, but if used in moderation it can also magnify your curiosity and sense of wonder, help you introspect, etc

cannabis is a powerful entheogen and it deserves far more respect and restraint than it currently receives

smartphones give us enormous powers but they can also exert massive power over our minds and actions, they too should be treated with caution and used with far more restraint

cannabis might make you lazy or suggestible, and it can even be dangerous for some people or if used irresponsibly, but it won't spoon feed you mind-melting pablum or ads or propaganda or spy on you

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by autoexec on Thursday June 23, 2022 @08:56PM (#31856805)
If we're going to credit books with potentially expanding your vocabulary, we should at least acknowledge that while you can mindlessly scroll through insta and tiktok you can also be consuming thoughtful and educational content. Even tiktok which doesn't exactly lend itself to useful content has some great stuff.

Books, TV, the internet, cell phones all have the potential to benefit you. They often don't, but it's not the medium that's the problem, it's our own choices - except the spying on you bit. That's 100% a problem with TV, the internet, cell phones and now even books.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by a9h74j on Thursday June 23, 2022 @11:32PM (#31857491)
Don't want to contradict your point, just a FWIW ...

Yesterday I saw a TV ad for Meta suggesting that with VR you will be able to stand in a small conversational circle with Socrates.

Yea, it will be educational.

But skepticism aside, with a personal instance of AI some benefits could be significant. Just having a personal AI critic to read your writing and give feedback could be a huge benefit -- or if not your writing, your thought process.

Queue the spying on you part.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by autoexec on Friday June 24, 2022 @05:06AM (#31859339)
Right? The fact that we have all this cool tech, but it's all actively being used against us instead of working for us really dulls my enthusiasm for technology. What good is it if we get robot butlers or personal AI assistants if the assistants can't keep our personal info to themselves and the robots record everything they see and hear and stream that back to MegaCorp along with extensive telemetry detailing every time we have sex with them? Already we've seen Roombas being used to spy on the people who paid for them, with iRobot Corporation selling maps of the inside of their homes to random 3rd parties.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by tim333 on Friday June 24, 2022 @07:03AM (#31860048)
The benefits often outweigh the 'spying on you', which is usually just targeted ads.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by eternalban on Friday June 24, 2022 @10:31AM (#31862513)
No, this is not an accurate assessment of what is at stake here.

So yeah, targeted ads and spooky tv sets are annoying at the least but the poing is that the infrastructure could easily support 1984 style monitors.

Regardless of the purpose of current usage, this is infrastructure for a surveillance society. That is the issue. The infrastructure is not going to go away unless we rip it down [down to and including transport layer] and rebuild with privacy and other human rights protections as a primary requirement of ubiquitous networking. DARPA was not concerned about these matters so all these fall under the 'operators discretion'.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by a9h74j on Friday June 24, 2022 @01:09PM (#31865841)
machine voice: Your post shows a combined social volatility plus initiative score over 37. Please report to the HappyWellnessCenter for your injections. ... While you are there, the weed is free.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by sizzle on Saturday June 25, 2022 @04:18AM (#31873457)
Their algorithm dispenses a personalized feed that uses soooo much data from your watch preferences alone, regardless of it's permissions. This is so far ahead of user suggestion systems on other platforms, which are generally driven by collaborative filtering. Which inadvertantly is a stopgap for psychological exploitation of users. Other platforms plateau on their information gathering of profile due to the implicit conformity of the exchanges on social media. Not TikTok though.

I want to start by saying this isn't your Cold War sheen propaganda. This is Harmonious Society, "river crab" propaganda. This method can belie and camouflage the salient points of persuasion, sure. But it's not only intended to stream a deluge of coercive media. The purpose is to dominate the aesthetic discourse around topics, learning as much about you as they can, while ingratiating their clusters of community norms at the same time. There isn't a monolithic identity either. It's about picking the winners of our long form cultural evolution. Country to country data definitely shows varying preferences, but aside from the initial exposure to determine what clusters you associate with, these feeds are tailored heavily by user interaction.

The public description of their process divulges the use of object and character recognition, along with audio/tag keywords, to all items in a video. So even on a virtual machine with no app permissions, this site is making an incredibly detailed profile of your media consumption habits. For example, when you stop watching a video at a certain point, TikTok records what items were in it up to that point making you stay, and what audio/objects occurred at the point of losing interest. This catalog culminates as a set of meticulous preferences that end up correlating to all sorts of useful suggestion information; preferences for video formats(do you like dance videos, rants, or documentary content?), types of speech(language and culture obviously, but also intonation, volume, frequency of use, monologue vs dialogue), length and pacing, even framing of the camera, its all logged and associated with your device and you. Along with this, topics and community clusters are accrued.

This goes way beyond blanket brainwashing or disinformation propaganda in it's effectiveness. It's like if a personal interrogator was assigned to billions of people to know every minute detail of their personal media narratives. And at the same time, became a congenial friend who is coaxing all of them to subtlety shift their identities and preferences. Mass media always takes this trend to some degree, but TikTok isolates the individual's identity. (I didn’t write this lol)

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by autoexec on Friday June 24, 2022 @12:05PM (#31864482)
It's not about ads. it's about manipulation and gathering data to be used against you at every and any opportunity. The data that's sold and passed around is used to determine things like how much you pay for things vs your neighbor. It determines what services you are offered and at what terms.

If a store thinks I make more money than you, I might for example be told they've got a return policy that is much more generous than what they'll tell you. There are places where you will wait longer on hold, getting repeatedly bumped back to make room for people who have a better "consumer score" than you do.

The data is handed over to the state and locked away until it's useful to them. It's can get you arrested or questioned by police when you've committed no crime. It can get you sued for things which should not be crimes but are. It's used by politicians who carve out the borders of their districts specifically to limit the ability for your vote to make any difference.

That data is used to target you with lies and misinformation. It allows you to be targeted by extremist groups. It can be used to decide if you get hired or not. You could be turned down for housing because of it. There are millions of things that might prejudice another person against you. Your lifestyle, your politics, your religion, the people you associate with, your sexual history, your medical conditions, etc. You can't know who is accessing your information or for what reason, or know how accurate that data is, or know if/how it is being protected.

It's a gross violation of your rights, which yes, sometimes is used to manipulate you into buying something you might not have bought otherwise, but increasingly is used for much much more and once the intimate details of your life have been taken from you, you can never take them back or prevent them from spreading.

However much you enjoy the products that are spying you, you can't ever say if the benefits outweigh the costs. You aren't even allowed to know what the costs are or when you are paying for them, and there will never come a time when you have paid in full and it can no longer cost you something else.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by a9h74j on Friday June 24, 2022 @12:41PM (#31865281)
Ten years ago Sherry Terkel, in Alone Together, described various electronic companions being deployed, even for very young kids. Imagine a dossier/record of all your secret whispers to electronic "friends" recorded from the time you are three years old. As the comments above suggest, the risks go beyond merely violating informed consent.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by autoexec on Friday June 24, 2022 @03:35PM (#31868246)
We've already kind of seen a form of that in Hello Barbie

https://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/hello-barbie-the-cree...

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/nov/26/hackers-c...

The book looks good btw! And I'm checking out her TED talk. If you're secretly an AI book ad pushing algorithm you just got me...

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by a9h74j on Friday June 24, 2022 @06:14PM (#31870156)
Good links.

Paraphrasing, one of the best quotes in Turkle's book: ~We have evolved voices over millions of years to convey information, feeling and nuance. But [young people, who won't answer the phone] want to text instead.~

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by tim333 on Saturday June 25, 2022 @07:35AM (#31874385)
Much of the stuff you mention like shops treating rich customers better predates tech and just is kind of how the world is. Likewise "arrested or questioned by police when you've committed no crime" happened pre tech and is more a problem with the police and legal system than say facebook leaking what your preferences are. The worst places I've been with real spying where you got arrested/killed for doing the wrong thing were like 1980s China and Myanmar with little tech and many human spies. I'm skeptical tech makes this worse.

I mean tech is a double edged sword but I'm guessing the positive like police having a job beating people up without being filmed by some phone outweigh stuff like your roomba uploading your floor plan.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by autoexec on Saturday June 25, 2022 @03:01PM (#31877775)
> Much of the stuff you mention like shops treating rich customers better predates tech and just is kind of how the world is.

Of course, human nature and corporate greed don't change. The difference is scale. In the past stores had to know you were rich to treat you better. They weren't checking your bank account balance at the door. Now they can and increasing do exactly that.

Same with real spying. Maybe you in 1980s china you had to watch what you said around your neighbors. Today you have to watch what you say while alone in your own home. It's just even just what you say today either, but everything you've said or written over decades that can be mined. You don't have to go to the other side of the globe to see historical examples of how this would have been abused either, Joseph McCarthy would have loved to have this data.

Again, the tech isn't the problem. It's great that was can film police abuses. It's great that we have GPS. What we don't have are regulations that prevent the abuse of our data which is collected and disseminated at an unprecedented scale and never goes away. there exists a permanent record of what you've said, what you've done, and everywhere you've been. We're going to see it used to hurt people more and more often. There are already plans to use this data to attack people who have gotten abortions. It could very soon be used against those in homosexual or interracial relationships as those too are now at risk of becoming crimes.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by thrixton on Saturday June 25, 2022 @01:43AM (#31872876)
This is such a dystopian and paranoid view of the system. And unfortunately, I think if it's not totally a reality now, it's one we're heading for as it is the unchecked natural end of our current path.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by autoexec on Saturday June 25, 2022 @03:03PM (#31877787)
Everything I mentioned has already been happening, it's just a matter of scale. It's becoming more common as time goes on. If it hasn't impacted you personally already, it will although you may not be aware of it.

If your insurance rates go up next year, you won't be told that it was because people in your area spent more on fast food over the last 6 months than last year. you just get the highe4r bill.

What I fear is that we'll end up with a digital caste system where people are treated very differently based on hidden scores that follow them everywhere.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by a9h74j on Monday June 27, 2022 @02:27PM (#31898623)
I could be badly misinformed, but I have the sense that the Chinese social credit score system might be relatively open in its criteria, and prosocial, compared to whatever emerges in some other places.

In general, with a more open system, you might also have more hope to redeem yourself, or at least evaluate effective options.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by autoexec on Monday June 27, 2022 @03:42PM (#31899747)
I have heard that China's social credit system isn't all that much different from what we've been developing here in the US, it's just more transparent. At least the person in China who can't board a train to travel knows why. We can have all the same oppression right here at home while our oppressors can boast about how free we all are, how they are empowering us with choices, and how grateful we should be for their benevolence.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by sizzle on Saturday June 25, 2022 @04:18AM (#31873455)
Their algorithm dispenses a personalized feed that uses soooo much data from your watch preferences alone, regardless of it's permissions. This is so far ahead of user suggestion systems on other platforms, which are generally driven by collaborative filtering. Which inadvertantly is a stopgap for psychological exploitation of users. Other platforms plateau on their information gathering of profile due to the implicit conformity of the exchanges on social media. Not TikTok though.

I want to start by saying this isn't your Cold War sheen propaganda. This is Harmonious Society, "river crab" propaganda. This method can belie and camouflage the salient points of persuasion, sure. But it's not only intended to stream a deluge of coercive media. The purpose is to dominate the aesthetic discourse around topics, learning as much about you as they can, while ingratiating their clusters of community norms at the same time. There isn't a monolithic identity either. It's about picking the winners of our long form cultural evolution. Country to country data definitely shows varying preferences, but aside from the initial exposure to determine what clusters you associate with, these feeds are tailored heavily by user interaction.

The public description of their process divulges the use of object and character recognition, along with audio/tag keywords, to all items in a video. So even on a virtual machine with no app permissions, this site is making an incredibly detailed profile of your media consumption habits. For example, when you stop watching a video at a certain point, TikTok records what items were in it up to that point making you stay, and what audio/objects occurred at the point of losing interest. This catalog culminates as a set of meticulous preferences that end up correlating to all sorts of useful suggestion information; preferences for video formats(do you like dance videos, rants, or documentary content?), types of speech(language and culture obviously, but also intonation, volume, frequency of use, monologue vs dialogue), length and pacing, even framing of the camera, its all logged and associated with your device and you. Along with this, topics and community clusters are accrued.

This goes way beyond blanket brainwashing or disinformation propaganda in it's effectiveness. It's like if a personal interrogator was assigned to billions of people to know every minute detail of their personal media narratives. And at the same time, became a congenial friend who is coaxing all of them to subtlety shift their identities and preferences. Mass media always takes this trend to some degree, but TikTok isolates the individual's identity. (I didn’t write this lol)

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by walleeee on Thursday June 23, 2022 @09:30PM (#31856971)
I definitely agree there are upsides. I had a Twitter for a while and found a ton of interesting articles, informative accounts, etc. I've learned a ton from YouTube. Sure, some TikTok videos can be helpful.

But the idea that the media forms and platforms play no causal role and it's all on us and our choices is nearly indefensible imo

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by autoexec on Friday June 24, 2022 @05:09AM (#31859354)
> But the idea that the media forms and platforms play no causal role and it's all on us and our choices is nearly indefensible imo

Some do make it a lot harder to make beneficial choices than others for sure! Some are specifically designed for it.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by nradov on Thursday June 23, 2022 @09:11PM (#31856871)
I use my phone to listen to podcasts and audio books while I exercise.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by walleeee on Thursday June 23, 2022 @09:22PM (#31856933)
Yep, me too!
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by disqard on Thursday June 23, 2022 @02:13PM (#31853045)
I'm 90% sure that "endless marathons" referred to "watching entire seasons of shows on NetFlix", not "running 26.2 miles over and over".
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by nklende on Thursday June 23, 2022 @04:25PM (#31854700)
I was previously at a place in my life where I compulsively did endurance exercise (including 3 marathons) to keep myself fatigued and numb my feelings. It was not too different to how some people smoke weed or drink, except that everyone in my life thought it was great and healthy. I spent a long time not making some very hard but positive life choices, and now my stomach lining is shot from pounding NSAIDs to keep exercising through joint pain.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by thirtyfivecent on Thursday June 23, 2022 @05:42PM (#31855509)
Count yourself extremely lucky if you know for certain it was caused by NSAIDs. Thats easy to fix compared to a bacterial infection. I have done a two week water fast to let ulcers in my stomach/gut heal in the past with great success.

People claim these systems dont shut down as you are still digesting body fat, but they for the most part do shut down and somewhere in doing that they heal very quickly. I have done it a few times (for NSAIDs and other pain killers having done damage to gut and stomach and when i get glutened giving me ulcers in my gut).

A benefit is that things like food dont rub against the ulcers which are basically like little cuts and that helps too heal too during the fast. You can go on having pain for months or years trying to deal with them in another way. Remember to dose some losalt for potassium and sodium ( your electrolytes ) while you fast to limit the dizzyness and fatigue. Im not sure magnesium powder would be a good idea due to it being tough on the stomach normally... it would stop the muscle cramps you will get... but it might stop the whole thing working ... i never used it while healing ulcers and lining damage .... but i have more recently when fasting to lose weight and it does make it easier .. magnesium tablets or capsules would be a terrible idea though those are really tough on the stomach and have a lot of added ingredients in the fillers and capsule depending on the company. Smaller fasts would also help. Good luck.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by LeSaucy on Thursday June 23, 2022 @03:00PM (#31853694)
Cannabis and jogging make a lovely combination.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by hirvi74 on Thursday June 23, 2022 @04:17PM (#31854631)
I'm not convinced the heart agrees (medically speaking).
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by akhmatova on Thursday June 23, 2022 @05:58PM (#31855638)
Lovely?

Based on what it's doing to your lungs and circulatory system, I'd put it more in the "it rocks, until it doesn't" category.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by pmoriarty on Thursday June 23, 2022 @07:38PM (#31856406)
You don't have to smoke cannabis to use it. You could eat or drink it, which does nothing to your lungs, afaik.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by akhmatova on Thursday June 23, 2022 @08:48PM (#31856758)
As is widely known. It's also the decidedly less popular route of intake.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by Werewolf255 on Thursday June 23, 2022 @03:25PM (#31854044)
That runner's high is something else after the 104th mile!
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by ghostbrainalpha on Thursday June 23, 2022 @03:35PM (#31854166)
Although if you are a good runner, I've heard moderate cannabis usage can help bring on the runners high much quicker making running more fun.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by aaaaaaaaata on Friday June 24, 2022 @02:36PM (#31867344)
"Stuff that makes serotonin is known to increase the onset of effects of serotonin."
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by RajT88 on Thursday June 23, 2022 @01:52PM (#31852746)
As a (mostly former) distance runner. Running endless marathons is most certainly not harmless. You will face eventually injuries which affect you for the rest of your life.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by ChristianGeek on Thursday June 23, 2022 @05:27PM (#31855363)
I’m a distance runner too; I try to distance myself from running.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by nradov on Thursday June 23, 2022 @09:15PM (#31856894)
There's distance and then there's distance. You can be a serious endurance athlete but focus on shorter races, with judicious use of low-impact cross training to reduce the risk of injuries while still building an aerobic base.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by RajT88 on Thursday June 23, 2022 @10:01PM (#31857093)
I only have done a few marathon or longer races. When I was running regularly I would do 25-30 miles a week.

It is doing that for decades which messes you up eventually.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by nradov on Friday June 24, 2022 @09:44AM (#31861689)
It really depends on running form and individual physiology. Some runners are more resilient than others, and using good technique makes a major difference in injury risk.

But my point is that you can run reasonably fast in races with fairly low running mileage. Do most of the base and tempo workouts cross training on an elliptical machine or something, and save the running for interval workouts.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by RajT88 on Monday June 27, 2022 @02:12AM (#31891139)
> It really depends on running form and individual physiology

True enough. I too have read "Born to Run", and would suggest that most modern humans aren't adapted to it (certain populations certainly, but most not). Although I have hit reasonably good times, I don't count myself among that population. In high school and in my 30's, I certainly was in the 90th percentile of runners, just by the numbers. Individual races, definitely higher. I love to look at the form and economy of top tier runners, and frankly, I'm not built like that; I could never perform like that. I'm bound to break down eventually, and I'm pretty good at running.

> on an elliptical machine or something

This is not running. This is training for running by not-running. Dress it up how you like, but it's how people like me save the damaging work for races.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by marginalia_nu on Thursday June 23, 2022 @02:10PM (#31853008)
Some of those moral panics did lead to action though.

Hard drugs, alcohol, gambling, duels; a lot of this stuff is if not banned then at least restricted and regulated.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by edmundsauto on Thursday June 23, 2022 @03:55PM (#31854378)
That’s not a clear win, as in some cases the cure proved worse than the disease. And was co-opted for goals around discrimination.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by yeahNo88 on Thursday June 23, 2022 @05:28PM (#31855375)
Yeah the cure industrialists limiting personal freedom by lobbying government for the greater good.

Are we not tired of that story? So what if humanity does not go to Mars? Is dad going to be unhappy about our efforts when everyone is dead?

Our culture is a joke of wishful thinking and emotional abuse to achieve someone else’s goals disguised as essential application of agency.

How terrible if humans lived a completely different agency than kowtowing to yesteryears industrial necessity to rebuild the world after humanity destroyed it.

Grigori Perelman has achieved more of note than any of us; I know about his accomplishments and none of yours. He did it all with paper and pencil. IMO our low effort consumerism and industrialist slog is destroying our imaginations and keeping us from better ideas.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by tsol on Thursday June 23, 2022 @06:19PM (#31855800)
Drugs are functionally different, I'd argue. You can quit games any time without pain, given enough mental resolve or motivation. No matter how good a reason it is you still have to deal with physical withdrawal when it comes to drugs
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by hmmdar on Thursday June 23, 2022 @10:20PM (#31857165)
I found this a good review of the physical and chemical impact quitting marijuana. https://youtu.be/7u_cm5b1s7Y

I'd argue that the chemical withdrawal effects of marijuana, are nothing compared to habitual smoking, alcohol or other "hard" drug use. But there are still some chemical withdrawal effects.

Personally I've had Minor irritability after not having an edible for a few days if I've been consistently having them nearly daily for few days. But I've also realized this, and moderate use more to only once or twice a week, and only 5-10mg at a time. I've grown to like the feel of 5mg in the evening overall. Accounting for the blah feeling the next morning/day.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by elevaet on Thursday June 23, 2022 @07:17PM (#31856278)
I thought it was pretty well known by now that there isn't really any physical withdrawl with cannabis; it's basically just mental.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by lostmsu on Thursday June 23, 2022 @02:04PM (#31852918)
I'd say marathons and computer games (except the clickers) should not be on this list due to the difference between active vs passive participation.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by oneoff786 on Thursday June 23, 2022 @02:30PM (#31853306)
Clickers are better than people give credit. Thinking about growth curves is an uncommon challenge. Pretty much nothing else commonly involves things expanding faster than exponentially. You don’t actually just click mindlessly. You typically need an understanding of the system otherwise you’re just waiting for infeasible amounts of time.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by dTal on Thursday June 23, 2022 @05:20PM (#31855299)
As far as I'm concerned, the clicker genre reached its zenith, its purest expression, in Universal Paperclips. In no other game has the "automate exponential growth" mechanic been used to tell a story more poignantly, or make philosophical points so eloquently. Other clicker games use flashy graphics and sound effects to disguise their essential emptiness; not Universal Paperclips. Its austere plaintext webpage offers only hints and fragments of the world the numbers are meant to represent, its minimalism a baleful commentary on the subject matter itself.

I played it twice, and do not regret it.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by shrimp_emoji on Thursday June 23, 2022 @08:34PM (#31856690)
>computer games 12 hours a day

I've heard professors say something to the effect of "students a decade or two ago used to be more productive". I don't have trouble believing that; so would I (I think) without the potency of modern entertainment. It's harder to do stuff while eating such good electric lotuses. :p

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by akhmatova on Thursday June 23, 2022 @05:54PM (#31855609)
Being addicted to cannabis is not really any different [from non-chemical habits]

On a psychological level, perhaps. But it is pretty obviously not so when it comes to physical risk (if one smokes in whichever form).

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by beowulfey on Thursday June 23, 2022 @02:54PM (#31853601)
No, but currently cannabis use is the one exploding in popularity compared to those others
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by andi999 on Thursday June 23, 2022 @04:36PM (#31854811)
Maybe they all were right.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by dogman144 on Thursday June 23, 2022 @04:52PM (#31854999)
agreed. I started bookmarking a specific open source repo and automechanic wiki and I’m slowly conditioning myself to read those if I want to waste time on my phone. I enjoy reading them anyway as much (or a lot more) than Reddit or w/e, just needed to make it habitual bc I didn’t think about going to those as a first stop to get lost in. Def helps and returns the joy of having internet access, lot of cool stuff to learn.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by gen220 on Thursday June 23, 2022 @05:57PM (#31855631)
Consider using an RSS reader and bookmarking that! It’s nice to be able to grow your list of things to “default browse” to, over time.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by dogman144 on Thursday June 23, 2022 @07:05PM (#31856194)
Hot tip! Thx
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by nabogh on Thursday June 23, 2022 @05:13PM (#31855227)
Got a link to that wiki? Sounds useful
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by dogman144 on Thursday June 23, 2022 @07:02PM (#31856178)
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by esarbe on Thursday June 23, 2022 @05:19PM (#31855281)
Indeed!
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by ruined on Thursday June 23, 2022 @02:55PM (#31853616)
thanks for reminding me that's enough hn for today
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by dbtc on Thursday June 23, 2022 @02:14PM (#31853069)
phonestoned
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by bennysomething on Thursday June 23, 2022 @05:06PM (#31855157)
That's a really good point. I never thought of it that way.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by SoftTalker on Thursday June 23, 2022 @02:05PM (#31852934)
Can confirm.

Two of my kids use THC pretty regularly and they seem content with a life that is paying the bills but not really leading anywhere.

The third does not (AFAIK) and is on a much higher trajectory.

All had pretty much the same upbringing, rules, experiences, and discipline.

I've never used it, so don't have personal experience.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by nshung on Thursday June 23, 2022 @02:48PM (#31853538)
To me, a life that is in content and has meaning trumps all those whatever higher trajectory means. I mean.. isn’t achieving those higher trajectories the goal of being content and having achieve the meaning if it exits at all?
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by worker_person on Thursday June 23, 2022 @02:53PM (#31853600)
Watching your child being content to work at Taco Bell for the next 50 years is not something to be proud of. Regardless of contentment.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by Taywee on Thursday June 23, 2022 @03:29PM (#31854098)
I'd be proud of it, if they were a good person, took care of themselves, took care of the people around them, and were truly happy in their lives. Some people are perfectly happy working low-level positions in restaurants, sanitation, retail, and the like for their lives, and maybe maintaining a few hobbies and relationships that give them personal meaning off their work hours.

It's only a problem if they aren't actually content. I've known tons of people working minimum wage who sneer at "elites", don't seek higher things, and get high all the time, but really resent the fact that they never did anything with their lives. They don't build their hobbies, they don't seek higher levels of employment or skill, and they constantly talk about how they want to do great things that they never do.

There will always be an infinite amount of achievement that you never accomplished. There will always be an infinite number of things you never did. The best thing you can do is prioritize, accomplish the things that you really want to accomplish, and try to do your best to be happy with what you are able to do. Live your life happily, and make the people around you happy.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by tempestn on Thursday June 23, 2022 @10:27PM (#31857198)
What if we took a more extreme version of this? Like your kid builds and sells a startup (this being HN), so now they're set for life financially, and they decide what they'll do with it is buy a lifetime supply of heroin, hire a caretaker to take care of their basic needs, and basically get high indefinitely. They're happy, they're not hurting anybody, they're even providing a living for someone. Assume they're perfectly happy too. Is that good?

I mean, you can certainly argue that the meaning of life is entirely arbitrary, and there is indeed nothing wrong with that if that's what someone wants to do. But I feel like the world is generally a better place when people in it strive for more than mere contentment. And for me personally, a couple of the key things that give life positive meaning are building relationships with other people, and striving to better myself—learning things, building skills, etc. I'm glad I do these things, rather than living an alternate life where I was equally (or maybe even if I were somehow more) subjectively happy, but less active.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by Miraste on Thursday June 23, 2022 @04:35PM (#31854805)
> I'd be proud of it, if they were a good person, took care of themselves, took care of the people around them, and were truly happy in their lives

I'd be happy for them. I wouldn't be proud. An infinite amount of possible achievements is no excuse not to strive for anything.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by autoexec on Thursday June 23, 2022 @09:13PM (#31856881)
> An infinite amount of possible achievements is no excuse not to strive for anything.

If they're striving for happiness and they are happy, mission accomplished right? I assume they'd still have their own goals and hobbies outside of work or things which bring in money. Why assume those things don't matter?

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by Miraste on Thursday June 23, 2022 @09:28PM (#31856963)
I didn’t say anything about work. I know people with interesting and worthwhile accomplishments or hobbies outside the field of career advancement. This is great and I’d be pleased if my child found something, money or no, to pursue passionately. I also know people (stoners being overrepresented) who are completely passive consumers watching life drift by, who only play games/watch shows and don’t do anything creative or challenging. It’s not a lifestyle I would take pride in. I don’t mean that as an attack, exactly - pride is earned, and to earn it you have to actually do something.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by autoexec on Thursday June 23, 2022 @09:37PM (#31857006)
that's fair enough. I've never met anyone (stoner or not) who wasn't striving for something. I mean, in some cases it might not have been more than status in an MMO guild, or building/maintaining collections, or personal writing, but everybody I've ever met has something they're into and love doing.

I can't even imagine what a life of passive, mindless, consumption without any creative outlet would even be like. It's frankly depressing to think about!

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by a9h74j on Thursday June 23, 2022 @11:40PM (#31857539)
FWIW, I have heard it said that the people who always expected to work at hourly-wage level are happier than the the college graduates next to them who didn't.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by autoexec on Friday June 24, 2022 @04:55AM (#31859260)
I'll bet the lack of so much student debt helps a lot!
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by missedthecue on Friday June 24, 2022 @12:35AM (#31857844)
doped into stupefaction is not exactly a scenario I'd describe as "striving for happiness"
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by blazingfrog2 on Thursday June 23, 2022 @04:30PM (#31854752)
> I'd be proud of it, if they were a good person, took care of themselves

I honestly don't know how anyone (good person or not) can properly take care of themselves on a Taco Bell hourly salary.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by palmetieri2000 on Thursday June 23, 2022 @05:45PM (#31855538)
Yes, It is the workers fault that they do not get enough funds to properly take care of themselves while working full time.

Really dumb take.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by blobbers on Thursday June 23, 2022 @06:16PM (#31855773)
It is possible that some jobs are meant to be stepping stones, not permanent positions (ie: you outgrow them, and someone lower on the learning totem pole steps into the role for a time).
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by palmetieri2000 on Thursday June 23, 2022 @06:38PM (#31855950)
Absolutely, and you should be paid enough to properly take care of yourself while you have those positions.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by vineyardmike on Thursday June 23, 2022 @07:21PM (#31856307)
So I absolutely agree with your opinion, and I think everyone should be paid a livable wage and should be able to live a meaningful life off their work pay.

That said, I think the argument of “stepping stone” job salaries is less crazy in the context of people who are dépendants of other adults. If you’re a teen and you live with parents who provide food and housing and basics like that, you’re needs from the wages are different. Plenty of jobs make sense as “silly shit teens do for spending money” that would also be considered “awful life for full time adult worker”. Some of these jobs only exist because there are short term employees willing to do it for low pay. It’s fine IMO that they exist but it’d be wrong to assume that an adult should have to live of it.

I think we should push for livable wages and ensure everyone can be happy and healthy from their salary. I don’t know if it’s even possible to protect the adults in “low skill” jobs without making it hard to have “stupid summer part time jobs” for teens. If it is possible, then we should allow those teens to have their dumb low pay jobs and not raise too much of a fuss.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by smileysteve on Thursday June 23, 2022 @09:22PM (#31856929)
This seems to be from the view point of a top percent home.

35 million Americans are on snap. 53 million Americans used a food pantry in 2021 (thesev groups don't always intersect)

Whether it's urban, rural, or suburban (high percentage shift since 2008), the percent of Americans that have parents that can provide food, shelter - much less plan for education and their own retirement is not a very high number for this phrasing.

Imagine if the expectation was that a part time fast food job could pay even half of college expenses.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by autoexec on Thursday June 23, 2022 @09:10PM (#31856867)
> I don’t know if it’s even possible to protect the adults in “low skill” jobs without making it hard to have “stupid summer part time jobs” for teens.

Why not just limit some jobs or minimum wages to teens who can demonstrate that they're already financially supported? Most people earning minimum wage are adults, but we could require companies to pay adults or teens supporting themselves higher wages. We could also set age limits on certain types of work, but then you run the risk of not having enough kids looking for work with everything else they've got going on.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by lazide on Thursday June 23, 2022 @09:21PM (#31856925)
‘Should’ != ‘is’ or ‘will be’.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by bobkazamakis on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @03:29PM (#31911981)
>It is possible that some jobs are meant to be stepping stones, not permanent positions

Those same jobs definitely only operate outside of school hours, to help promote their employees growth, right?

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by fshbbdssbbgdd on Thursday June 23, 2022 @08:01PM (#31856530)
Is the implication that we should promote cannabis to help people be content living low on the hierarchy in capitalism? Whose side are we on here?
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by txsoftwaredev on Thursday June 23, 2022 @05:51PM (#31855575)
They wouldn't be able too. It's a great job for a high school kid or one with a low IQ that has limited options to start with. But it should be temporary to teach you how to be responsible, show up on time, do your job correctly, etc.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by jokethrowaway on Thursday June 23, 2022 @04:45PM (#31854928)
You can be proud of achievements.

The harder the achievement, the harder it is to automate that achievement, the prouder I will be.

Working at Taco Bell is not that hard to obtain and may very well not exist in 10 years.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by monktastic1 on Thursday June 23, 2022 @03:37PM (#31854185)
Everyone is focusing on whether being content with working at Taco Bell is sufficient in life, but I think the more interesting question is whether they truly are content. That's not for me to answer, but if the South Park quote has any truth (and I think it has more than a little), in 50 years' time, they themselves might not be happy with how things went in retrospect. In that case, it's possible they weren't really content all that time, but were using weed to avoid deeply feeling that discontent.

I say this as someone with at least a little experience, not to be judgmental.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by swatcoder on Thursday June 23, 2022 @04:07PM (#31854518)
> in 50 years' time, they themselves might not be happy with how things went in retrospect

There are moments in later life where everyone feels that way.

Statistically, some paths might be show up in studies as more reliable in terms of late life contentment, but on an individual level, we all end up noticing that we left a lot of doors unopened, and can find ourselves stuck wishing we made different choices or had different opportunities.

Innumerable careerists and dedicated parents and globe-trotters find themselves stuck discontent, bitter, or resentful. And innumerable people of all paths look back, wonder what could have been different, and reconcile themselves to contentment again. And heck — some people just die before reaching their goals at all.

There’s no point speculating whether the chill dude at the Taco Bell is doing it right. They know themselves better than any of us do, and may easily end up more durably content than any of us.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by 2-718-281-828 on Thursday June 23, 2022 @05:23PM (#31855329)
> There are moments in later life where everyone feels that way.

old Successful Career guy: should have spent more time with family and friends <starts sobbing>

old Poor Artist guy: should have worked harder and more conservative then I could have afforded a house, now I have to rent <gets all whiney>

--

the question is the mental state developed. are you somebody who regrets everything and is never happy with what you have because you alwaya need more? or are you able to be grateful and enjoy calmly small things and accept how life is?

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by monktastic1 on Thursday June 23, 2022 @05:10PM (#31855199)
> There’s no point speculating whether the chill dude at the Taco Bell is doing it right.

I agree, but I think there is value in speculating whether the contentment we feel on weed is really just distraction from discontent. This applies to far more than just weed, of course, but my own experience is that weed is particularly tricky in this regard.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by swatcoder on Thursday June 23, 2022 @05:36PM (#31855442)
Sure, and you could raise exactly the same question to all the people on prescribed psychiatric regimens. They all come with tradeoffs and change the nature of how we experience our lives. That's the point of them.

I don't have the insight to guess whether George should prefer to be skinnier and hornier but too depressed to meet his career goals, any more than it's my business to guess that Jane should put down the blunts and be more tuned in with all the drama in the news.

I'm busy enough trying to make those choices for myself.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by monktastic1 on Thursday June 23, 2022 @05:52PM (#31855588)
That's fair, and I think it is also responsible to share our experiences with these things with others. Mine (and friends') is that weed is especially insidious in this regard, but it is indeed up to each person to decide for themselves.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by braindead_in on Friday June 24, 2022 @03:16AM (#31858635)
> but I think the more interesting question is whether they truly are content.

That's a big rabbit hole right there. Ancient wisdom says that there's nothing in the material world which can give you true happiness/contentment/satisfaction. The world is transient and so is the happiness you get from it. Moksha/Nirvana/Samadhi is the only way to become truly happy, forever.

Weed invariably leads you to such questions. No wonder it's the gateway drug to spirituality.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by gowld on Thursday June 23, 2022 @04:42PM (#31854882)
People who ruined their lives with hard work and stress to make a billionaire richer while buying a useless polluting fancy car and big house, also have regrets.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by monktastic1 on Thursday June 23, 2022 @05:11PM (#31855213)
Absolutely! And if we can identify factors which lead to us behaving in ways that make us feel such regrets, then this can help us lead better lives. Obviously weed isn't the only culprit.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by Volundr on Thursday June 23, 2022 @03:29PM (#31854099)
Why not? My first job was Wendy's and honestly... It's not the least satisfying job I've had. My unwillingness to do it now has more to do with having become accustomed to the luxury that comes with a software developer salary than anything negative about fast food (same reason I won't go back to being a security guard, which was hands down the best job I ever had).

I feel like there's a strong argument to be made that the person working at Taco Bell and is satisfied with their life is better off than a random cube dweller slowly losing their soul in the name of material comforts.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by jokethrowaway on Thursday June 23, 2022 @04:54PM (#31855024)
Maybe you can pull off security guard and software development at the same time! It's something I always joked about doing - but that was before everyone and their dog became remote.

Nowadays software development is so meeting heavy that nothing gets done but you're "working" all the time.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by yw3410 on Thursday June 23, 2022 @03:53PM (#31854360)
What did you enjoy about being a security guard?
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by Volundr on Thursday June 23, 2022 @06:06PM (#31855704)
A bit of context that might be important: Most of my time spent as a security guard was spent either taking the closing shift at an outlet mall on the outskirts of town, or a night or weekend shift at a large office building. I rarely did things like work at a busy mall during the day.

The best part frankly was that there was so little I actually needed to do. I filled out a few forms, I walked the whole site X times of Y period (usually once every 1-2 hours, but depended on the site). Beyond that I was largely just expected to be at my post, reasonably alert and professional looking. My time was my own to do homework, study, read, program, or whatever. I realize that a job without anything to do is a nightmare for some people, but I've never had a problem filling my own time.

Other pros:

* I knew my regular sites almost like my home. Sure during they day there were tons of people, but by the night/weekend when I took over, I was basically the only person in the building and it felt like it was mine.

* Eating lunch on the roof overlooking the city.

* Some of the chillest co-workers I've ever met, from the maintenance crew to the other guards.

* 12-hours shifts meant I was usually only working 3 days a week.

* On holidays me and the maintenance guy would have private movie showings in the building auditorium.

Cons:

* 99% boring, but when things get exciting they get real exciting. Only time I've had guns pointed in my direction, and they were cops.

* I think getting off work and going to bed a 7 a.m. for years has permanently kind of borked my sleep.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by pessimizer on Thursday June 23, 2022 @05:13PM (#31855228)
It's this kind of motivation that fuels the efforts to make sure low-level jobs stay unpleasant, unsafe, and uncompensated. It's the "starter job" philosophy, where some jobs are only fit for an inferior class of people who should have no pride, although they produce and distribute almost everything material that we use. Children, immigrants, foreigners...

I'm reminded every day that my decision to never work with my hands again was a good one. Nobody respects people who provide for you, that's slave's work, mother's work(, teacher's work, nurse's work.) The ultimate CEO-guru would lie on a cushion all day, being washed and shaved by his VPs, periodically emitting syllables in an unknown language that would be interpreted by other VPs as commands to direct the people who actually do the work.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by jjulius on Thursday June 23, 2022 @04:55PM (#31855038)
You're assuming that the two content children work at Taco Bell. For all you know they could have a (to whatever degree) higher-paying job doing literally anything else yet still be content with where they're at.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by 2-718-281-828 on Thursday June 23, 2022 @05:20PM (#31855287)
not sure what stereotype you have in mind but I don't see why this should be something keeping a parent from being proud. it's simple, yet honest work and that's about it. so what? not everybody wants or has to be a surgeon ffs
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by txsoftwaredev on Thursday June 23, 2022 @05:53PM (#31855602)
But taco bell is the pinnacle of your kid's career ambition? I know as a parent I'd be very disappointed.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by namose on Thursday June 23, 2022 @06:19PM (#31855797)
Not a parent, but I’d personally be more proud as a parent of a Taco Bell cook than, e.g. adtech or a high frequency trading firm (of course, sometimes these places are great for training or getting a name on a resume, but if that was my child’s career ambition I’d be sad). The only issue I would have would be whether they’re making enough to support their other goals.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by jjulius on Friday June 24, 2022 @01:02AM (#31857979)
I'm a parent. Yeah, Taco Bell isn't "ideal". But hey, is my kid happy? Are they keeping their life together? Are they staying out of trouble? Are their bills paid?

If the answer to all of those questions - especially the first - is yes, then I am happy. Of course I will push them to strive for more than that, but what they do with their lives when they leave the house is up to them, and at a bare minimum, I just want them to be happy with whatever they choose.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by 2-718-281-828 on Friday June 24, 2022 @05:04AM (#31859323)
if "career ambitions" are a major part of how you value your children then you are the one with a problem.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by txsoftwaredev on Tuesday June 28, 2022 @02:53PM (#31911568)
We homeschool our three children and put in a lot of time and effort to prepare them to provide for themselves. Do I care of they become the CEO of a company? Of course not but I do want them to achieve what they are capable of. I know my kids and their abilities. Taco bell is not their pinnacle.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by s5300 on Thursday June 23, 2022 @03:04PM (#31853739)
Why?

Billions across the world would be incredibly happy with their kids getting to do something like this.

If you aren’t happy with a content child, sounds like you had children for all of the wrong reasons & would be a horrible, potentially abusive parent.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by monktastic1 on Thursday June 23, 2022 @03:48PM (#31854286)
I understand the underlying sentiment, but this is an awfully aggressive way to get your point across. The irony is that we tend to be aggressive when we're triggered due to unresolved traumas in ourselves -- which we then pass on to our own kids.

I'm not here to psychoanalyze you, but food for thought.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by gowld on Thursday June 23, 2022 @04:43PM (#31854897)
Fair, but the context was a parent publicly shaming their children for living peaceful, eco-friendly, simple lives, which is far worse.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by gunfighthacksaw on Thursday June 23, 2022 @06:52PM (#31856091)
My friend who is a (really smart) SWE in Canada said that compared to his own country, he could live here on a fast food salary, smoke weed, make music and still have a better life than his home country.

We forget that a job where you get free food and a low wage for simple work is (historically speaking) extremely luxurious.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by plutonorm on Thursday June 23, 2022 @03:06PM (#31853773)
Of course it is.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by nshung on Thursday June 23, 2022 @03:06PM (#31853777)
Why not?
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by rtp4me on Thursday June 23, 2022 @04:37PM (#31854817)
Because at some point, the $9.50/hr job at Taco Bell will run its course, and your child will end up with severely limited resources. Together with a lack of funding and poor health care options, your children will probably return back home to "evaluate their situation". At that point, they will start wondering why they have been left behind in society, why the system is rigged against them, etc.

As we all know (and frequently discussed here on HN), a minimal wage job results in limited housing options, limited healthcare options, limited educational options, etc. As a parent, it is my responsibility to prepare my children to become self sufficient beyond the minimum wage job. For the sake of themselves and their children.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by gowld on Thursday June 23, 2022 @04:48PM (#31854962)
Why would you want someone to never learn that the system is rigged against them? So they blame themselves for their oppression?

Millions of people will never rise above minmim wage jobs.

Why fix that for one person ,and not for all?

A Taco Bell worker probably has more free energy and intrest for tackling big problems like protesting against the oligarchs.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by worker_person on Thursday June 23, 2022 @05:27PM (#31855371)
This is garbage. Work hard, plan hard, save money. Push through setbacks. Maybe you won't be a billionaire. But you can do pretty well in life. Don't blame others for your own laziness.

Just met a guy last month that spent 5 years working at a carwash at minimum wage. He saved up money the entire time. Got himself a van decked for mobile cleaning. He still works hard, but is making some serious money now.

Seen far more that just collect welfare checks, smoke pot and play videos or watch tv for 16 hours a day, while blaming "whomever" for their situation.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by wruza on Thursday June 23, 2022 @07:10PM (#31856235)
This descent from a job that pays bills to stereotypical taco bell to welfare checks had no premise in this subthread. Aren’t you by chance just angry at someone else who is not rushing to make your own American dream come true?
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by diffeomorphism on Friday June 24, 2022 @01:09AM (#31858014)
This is garbage. If a system is rigged, you try to improve it. You are just giving up and try to rationalize your inaction with fantasy stories.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by rtp4me on Thursday June 23, 2022 @09:04PM (#31856837)
Because they are not oppressed and the system is not rigged against them (at least in the US). Each person has plenty of opportunity to do better. It's all about choice. You can choose to stay with your low-paying job or put some effort into getting educated and move up. The key here is "effort".

And, the comment that millions of people will never rise above minimum wage jobs is laughable. With the amount of free/low-cost education (community college, free on-line classes, military GI Bill), and the huge shortage of skilled trade workers [0], anyone in the US can do better than minimum wage. It just takes effort.

[0] https://resources.skillwork.com/why-is-there-a-shortage-of-s...

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by julianlam on Thursday June 23, 2022 @02:56PM (#31853626)
It's a nice line of thinking, sure—that you can achieve happiness and contentment without having to strive for the "best".

That's the whole point of the matter though, isn't it, that if you don't have ambition, then you voluntarily get yourself stuck in a rut of your making. "I'm content in that my life is shitty in X or Y way, but cannot do anything about it".

There was a time when I found comfort in thinking that I would grow up to be "comfortably middle class". My parents disabused me of that notion, and now that I am at that stage, I feel as though there is so much more I can learn and do, instead of clocking in and out day after day.

But hey, if you find happiness in working at a gas station or something, maybe you are more enlightened than I am.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by lovehashbrowns on Thursday June 23, 2022 @03:19PM (#31853970)
I don’t understand the thought process of putting someone down based on what they do for a living. Particularly when it just doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. The world around you revolves around people that clock in and out day after day. Maybe one day we’ll have 7.5 billion CEOs in the world, huh?
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by blazingfrog2 on Thursday June 23, 2022 @04:38PM (#31854838)
> I don’t understand the thought process of putting someone down based on what they do for a living

Discounting the counter productive condescension required to be the one putting the other guy down, we should all be honest with a simple fact: any typical software dev (just talking about what I know) can succeed at a gas station job while the reverse is not true. This obviously does not afford the software dev the right to be a jerk to anybody (up or down the ladder).

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by lovehashbrowns on Thursday June 23, 2022 @07:31PM (#31856366)
I know I couldn’t do it. I’m good when it comes to tech stuff because it clicks with my brain and I enjoy it. I’ve worked these sorta jobs before. I did a bit of construction for a summer, and I worked a catering job for a few years. Chicago’s summer heat, humid, standing in front of an open flame for 6-12 hours—absolutely not. I came home utterly destroyed. The person I worked for absolutely loves it, though. He’s self-employed, works only on the weekends, is immensely proud of the food he cooks, and has been doing it for decades. Great guy to work for. If you wanna get paid cash and you love cooking, that’s a great job. I would absolutely never ever look down on someone that’s putting in work like that. Me personally, I’m not physically or mentally equipped for that sorta work long-term. And that’s fine.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by Adraghast on Thursday June 23, 2022 @06:58PM (#31856148)
I would pay very good money to watch you spend a Valentine’s Day working at a restaurant.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by gowld on Thursday June 23, 2022 @04:50PM (#31854982)
Many, perhaps most, software devs, would utterly fail at a job that had customers, regular hours, physical labor, etc.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by hirvi74 on Thursday June 23, 2022 @05:27PM (#31855362)
I worked in grocery stores with people that I would argue are smarter than many of the devs I have worked with. My old manager when I was younger and working in a grocery store was on a path to be a medical doctor, but changed paths after his friend killed himself from the the stress of medical school.

Intelligence is only one of the many variables needed to succeed in certain occupations.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by throwaway675309 on Friday June 24, 2022 @12:28AM (#31857809)
It's absolutely perplexing to me that people seem to think that it's blindly OK to generalize purely anecdotal data as absolute objective truth.

Although you have zero supporting evidence for this fatuous assertion, you're perfectly fine with passing it off as empirical data. If you actually took the time to speak to your average software dev particularly in America, you would find that it's more likely that they've worked customer facing retail when they were younger. These are pretty much the only types of jobs that are available during high school. I myself have worked at Walmart, Blockbuster video, Chick-fil-A, and as a landscaper during the summers. None of it was particularly taxing - although it was extremely tedious at times and often boring.

And while we're on the subject of anecdotal data I would say on the order of at least 60 to 70% of software devs that I've worked with in the past were actually in relatively good shape physically and usually were very conscientious about their diet and maintaining regular exercise.

We really need to be filtering people back to Reddit.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by elevaet on Thursday June 23, 2022 @07:33PM (#31856380)
Completely agree about not putting people down.

But I do think the world is a better place with more "CEOs" running independent taco joints, and less Tacobells.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by emmo on Friday June 24, 2022 @01:20AM (#31858062)
And these independent taco joints would be staffed by...?
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by wruza on Friday June 24, 2022 @01:49AM (#31858214)
AI/ML, AR/VR, IoT, blockchain, microservices, data science, API, of course.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by elevaet on Friday June 24, 2022 @02:49AM (#31858508)
The CEO him/herself, and some employees who are working for cool boss with their hands on the tools, instead of some suit from Tacobell.

Nothing wrong with working for someone, that wasn't my claim.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by nshung on Thursday June 23, 2022 @03:08PM (#31853794)
"I'm content in that my life is shitty in X or Y way, but cannot do anything about it".

What is “shitty” in this context?

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by elif on Thursday June 23, 2022 @03:13PM (#31853877)
A zen master is alone in his mountain retreat wherever he stands. A life spent seeking further material enrichment or inner personal development will inevitably build a mansion of a self, requiring increasing maintenance and becoming even more difficult to live outside of, let alone deconstruct.

It is much easier to accomplish a universal perspective when you have much less 'self' to suppress. That's been the nature of monks of all variety for all of human history. I don't think it's a coincidence or disadvantage that cannabis enthusiasts have a less-selfish mentality.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by nradov on Thursday June 23, 2022 @11:10PM (#31857382)
Contentment is overrated. Contentment is a path to stagnation and decay. It's more important to achieve something of lasting value, even if that means a certain amount of angst and dissatisfaction along the way.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by tomatotomato37 on Thursday June 23, 2022 @07:19PM (#31856284)
Life naturally slows you down with age. Without enough momentum built up during your early years you may burn out and crash before you reach the end
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by Psyonic on Thursday June 23, 2022 @04:11PM (#31854550)
I have seen this, but on the flip-side, the most successful person I know (and they are quite successful) is also the biggest stoner I know.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by elevaet on Thursday June 23, 2022 @07:37PM (#31856395)
I've also met some extremely productive weed smokers. It seems like most people become lulled into a hazey life, but there are these idiosyncratic responders who smoke copious amounts and are fully on top of their game.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by autoexec on Thursday June 23, 2022 @09:20PM (#31856922)
I think it's equally possible that lazy people who smoke will be lazy and people who are active and always doing stuff will continue to do that even if they smoke. The temptation to be lazy might be greater for the few hours they're high, but not everyone will give into that every time and every other hour of the day they're doing what they'd normally do.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by davewritescode on Thursday June 23, 2022 @07:12PM (#31856243)
I’ve been using cannabis my whole life and I’m fairly successful. I have a nice house, healthy savings, nice cars and a lovely family.

Who know, maybe I’m not meeting my full potential but I really do enjoy life and cannabis helps.

I’ve struggle with anxiety and insomnia my whole life and medical cannabis allows me to “turn off” in a way that a lot less damaging than other medications I’ve taken.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by lovemenot on Thursday June 23, 2022 @06:21PM (#31855813)
>> The third does not (AFAIK) and is on a much higher trajectory.

Depends on one's definition of higher, I guess.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by Aksakal17 on Sunday June 26, 2022 @01:12PM (#31885751)
Yes, still illegal. And I also don’t understand why it is equated with drugs, but alcohol is not! Not a single murder has yet been committed under https://www.get420now.com/product-category/cannabis/ cannabis, not a single war has been unleashed. It's just that people who don't use don't understand how oh the effect of it is!
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by plmu on Friday June 24, 2022 @07:25AM (#31860192)
Another data point here: 2 kids, the one who uses (a lot) of THC is more successful, got a physics masters degree and had a 40% side-job during most of bachelor/masters phase.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by seadan83 on Thursday June 23, 2022 @05:10PM (#31855201)
Correlation implies causation here? That is one place where and why this is all so tricky..
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by daveslash on Thursday June 23, 2022 @01:20PM (#31852276)
Yeah. I used the same schpeel (or something similar), with my kid when we found out she was smoking at 15. You know ~ it's not heroine or cocaine, but it can make you content to just do nothing, when you'd be happier doing something.

Sometimes "do nothing" is exactly what we need in this crazy, hectic, busy world. Sometimes it's good to be bored. But keep it in check. Also, I have no problem with adults partaking, but kids with their developing brains ~ that's another story in my mind.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by monktastic1 on Thursday June 23, 2022 @03:43PM (#31854246)
FYI, spiel :)
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by davidrupp on Thursday June 23, 2022 @04:04PM (#31854475)
More info at https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/spiel . Pronounced as you (gp) spelled it phonetically because it's borrowed from German.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by gowld on Thursday June 23, 2022 @04:53PM (#31855019)
It's taken from Yiddish, which took it from German.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by daveslash on Friday June 24, 2022 @11:31AM (#31863748)
From Yiddish? I didn't know that. Interesting and Thank You.

A few years ago, I used the word "Schmuck", and someone asked me if I was Jewish (I'm not). I didn't realize that "Schmuck" was also a Yiddish word until then. I looked it up, and I didn't realize that some Yiddish speaking people consider it to be obscene profanity! So now I use a little more sparingly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schmuck_(pejorative)

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by detritus on Thursday June 23, 2022 @05:36PM (#31855449)
Personally I prefer 'schpiel' :)
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by daveslash on Thursday June 23, 2022 @04:02PM (#31854450)
Thank you.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by jamal-kumar on Thursday June 23, 2022 @02:09PM (#31852995)
I think it's a substance that can lend itself really well to the creative aspects if used in moderation and with something like taking continuous notes so you don't lose those thoughts and ideas.

I've come up with some really great stuff while moderately stoned, and while I don't consume it on a daily anymore, I can't understate the importance of having some way of recording those thoughts as soon as you come up with them be it a notepad, notepad.exe or even a voice recorder if logging things on paper or text isn't your thing because it tends to mess with your short term memory enough to forget whatever interesting point of view you've arrived on within a minute or so. I think I learned this from comedians actually, George Carlin used to work like this. I bet there's plenty of writers on South Park and may other comedy shows who do, too.

Obviously taking it on a wake-and-bake basis throughout the day is going to give you problems though. Don't use it like that unless you're trying to manage serious illness like to keep your chemotherapy meds down or arthritis or whatever. Hell I don't even drink caffeine on a daily anymore because I find WAY more utility out of it once every couple of weeks or so. Oh yeah and if I'm going to agree with anything in this article it's that extracts are kinda too turbo, but I've also tried them in small amounts in drinks (Around 5-10mg) and that was pretty amazing compared to smoking in terms of lack of side effects from inhaling crap.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by xvedejas on Thursday June 23, 2022 @02:29PM (#31853295)
Drug use can be a good excuse to put some time aside to let your mind wander, so I see why people end up getting creative on THC. And if you practice creativity while stoned, it makes sense that you'll be more creative while stoned. Like my friend who learned to juggle high, and yet cannot do it when he's sober.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by jamal-kumar on Thursday June 23, 2022 @04:29PM (#31854745)
I think it's a bit more than that. It makes your mind wander in different directions, in a way that lends itself to things like writing original jokes or coming up with a different angle on problems or ideas that can be solved with more 'out of the box' solutions. It does something to the associative memory in which it makes associations which you wouldn't normally assert (Which is where I think a lot of people who don't enjoy it end up paranoid - a healthy dose of critical thought and reasoning going into these experiences may be helpful, along with keeping the dose relatively low).

That said since it does have a thought-scattering thing going for it that if you don't bother to try and focus on getting those scattered thoughts on to something which records them, it's kind of a waste of time if we're talking about using it for purely utilitarian reasons.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by sealthedeal on Thursday June 23, 2022 @05:29PM (#31855383)
I think that the creativity when high is basically the stress relief that THC can give. So essentially you are a blank slate, no worries, and can put your attention onto an issue and ideas seem to just "come from no where". It all comes down to stress relief.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by jamal-kumar on Friday June 24, 2022 @10:29AM (#31862466)
Yeah but on the flip side what is stress relief for some becomes a thought looping panic attack for others
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by bennysomething on Thursday June 23, 2022 @05:05PM (#31855146)
I always remember that quote as well, the bored part of it really stuck with me.

Unfortunately I smoked my first joint at 13, I'm pretty certain it damaged my short term memory. I think had it been legal I wouldn't have got hold of it until much older plus it would have lost some of its cool factor.

It was mostly hash in my day, I actually never liked weed , it was all super skunk loaded with thc that caused paranoia.

Alcohol, cocaine and mdma are rough drugs too but there's something about weed/hash that makes me think it's overall mental effects might be worse. It's odd that it's written off as harmless quite often. (Btw I think all drugs should be legal, but I also now think they are all horrible and have nothing to do with them , well apart from beer and wine!)

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by dogman144 on Thursday June 23, 2022 @07:12PM (#31856242)
Ya this is what I haven’t understood about weed advocacy and the discussion around it. I think that people who were in the scene in middle/high school, which unfortunately is very very common in my view but just not well known, know more than enough lives torpedoed by getting into it.

Sure, “surprise, doing drugs at 13 is bad,” but I don’t know a lot of teenage drinkers who stopped at drinking (vs further in) in the same bad spot as the teenage smokers I knew (who stopped at smoking).

The difference of smoking at 13 vs 30 is likely different, but idk if I really buy starting in adulthood and trending towards habitual is meaningfully immune from its bad impacts I’ve seen peers deal who stuck with it.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by INTPenis on Thursday June 23, 2022 @03:12PM (#31853847)
I'm doing what I love buzzed right now, building a cluster for my homelab, creating a hybrid cloud solution to host some services and saving on money by leveraging cheap compute at home.

But yes, Randy Marsh was absolutely right. I've had periods of my life where I've abused it and I regret every one of those days.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by hirvi74 on Thursday June 23, 2022 @05:08PM (#31855174)
> I've had periods of my life where I've abused it and I regret every one of those days.

I think I am starting to wake up to this. I do find enjoyment in it, and there is such a sunk cost fallacy I keep factoring in too.

I mean do I take occasional breaks, but probably not enough. It had definitely helped me lower my inhibitions enough to introspectively identity some issues that were deeply hidden under the surface of my everyday life. However, it's killed my motivation and in some ways it's starting to negatively affect other areas of my life. Regardless of my dependence, I am thankful to not feel clinically addicted or anything.

I will say, it wasn't my first choice of treatment. I tried the mental/medical health professional route. I'm still on that train, and it's been 8 years. Nothing has really improved, so I am not sure what else to do and where else to go. I adopted cannabis around the age of 29 with very limited experience prior. The kind I use is not like the variety in this article either. I use 1:1 THC:CBD hemp because high thc products are illegal in my area. So maybe the damage isn't "as bad."

If all the medical/mental health treatments I tried work as well as the medical research and doctors claim then I probably wouldn't have ever began to use cannabis in the first place. But like I said, what else am I to do? It's exhausting and stressful trying to force yourself to be a way your body naturally fights against.

It's apparent that I cannot function well without some sort of chemical assistance. I guess the only difference is where I get it from (doctor vs. plant), the side-effects, and the societal views that accompany said chemicals.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by INTPenis on Friday June 24, 2022 @11:41AM (#31863948)
The way I see it, throughout history I'm sure millions of people have just gone crazy by the everyday burdens of life. We might have more availability to forms of therapy but in the end it's up to you to balance your life. Soul controller.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by hirvi74 on Friday June 24, 2022 @12:49PM (#31865462)
That is something I have been slowly starting to realize. I lack ambition and without ambition I have nothing to work towards, which in turn makes finding a balance difficult.

I've been trying to do some soul searching to find out what I truly want, but I've chalked it up to, "I'll know it when I see it." And till then, I must keep searching.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by dfxm12 on Thursday June 23, 2022 @01:57PM (#31852809)
South Park also put it well when they understood that total abstinence is not the only way to deal with the situation. Maybe all it takes is a little discipline.

After all, there's a passive danger in many things we do or neglect to do.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by rayiner on Thursday June 23, 2022 @02:09PM (#31852978)
> South Park also put it well when they understood that total abstinence is not the only way to deal with the situation. Maybe all it takes is a little discipline.

Exercising a "little discipline" doesn't really work for addictive substances. In my experience, high-functioning people with tons of impulse control often don't appreciate that others around them have more limited capacity for that. Despite drinking a lot in grad school, I just stopped after my daughter was born. Not out of any problem functioning, I was a social drinker and was just too busy with a job and baby. But it would be foolish of me to assume that everyone can just exercise "a little discipline" and go from 5+ drinks a night to nothing just like that.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by runarberg on Thursday June 23, 2022 @02:29PM (#31853297)
The south park’s point in that episode wasn’t to deny the existence of substance abuse disorder. Rather the point was that not everyone that does dumb stuff one time while drinking has it.

In this episode Randy didn’t have Substance abuse disorder. He took the kids for a drive after drinking. He was caught and the court ordered him to undergo treatment despite there not being any proof that he was an alcoholic.

This mentality that anyone that does something dumb or illegal while drunk has a problem does no service for either those that actually have substance abuse disorder, nor for criminal justice. You should be responsible for your own actions, and if you are sick you need treatment. But ordering people to undergo treatment after a crime despite no evidence of a disorder is just plain bad. mkay.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by areyousure on Friday June 24, 2022 @01:31PM (#31866222)
In case anyone is curious, the South Park Archives fandom page on Randy Marsh has a section entitled "Alcoholism": https://southpark.fandom.com/wiki/Randy_Marsh#Alcoholism
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by plmu on Friday June 24, 2022 @07:28AM (#31860215)
If impulse control is an issue for you, I think weed is one of the lesser issues. Alcohol or other substances or habits are much more of a risk for those with little self control.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by seadan83 on Thursday June 23, 2022 @05:16PM (#31855260)
It all depends on who you are & your physiology, right? I was super addicted to nicotine (I can say that nicotine is perhaps 500x more addictive than weed, and about 10,000x more addictive than coffee, and about 50x more addictive than alcohol - all of which I have been addicted to at varying times in my life).

I've known people that were fine smoking a cigarette every 3rd day. I'm not one and that would put me on a path of relapse in a hurry.

I'll agree that avoiding addiction takes discipline, but once addicted, it depends to what, and who you are whether you need to focus on recurring abstinence or if more moderation is the ticket.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by vsareto on Thursday June 23, 2022 @01:44PM (#31852635)
>If you smoke pot you may grow up to find out that you aren't good at anything

Hah, that's easily done without smoking pot

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by kerabatsos on Thursday June 23, 2022 @02:18PM (#31853119)
I guess. But anecdotally, I learned JavaScript, read philosophical text, organize my goals, play games with my children, go for walks outside…while consuming a moderate amount of thc. My creativity goes up. Rarely do I just sit and do nothing but sometimes that’s fine too. Moderation works.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by ineptech on Thursday June 23, 2022 @03:07PM (#31853791)
For anyone interested, there's a support community around quitting pot at /r/leaves (that name being a humorous reference to /r/trees, a large subreddit for pot users).
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by eej71 on Thursday June 23, 2022 @01:47PM (#31852671)
This late 80's PSA style ad covers that perspective as well. This style of ads were easy to mock even in the 80s - but I always thought this one had a point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwQL9ZzJTX0

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by tr1ll10nb1ll on Thursday June 23, 2022 @04:41PM (#31854871)
Moderation is key here, I believe. If you’re looking at successful people who get high all the time, it’s safe to assume they increased their marijuana (or any other substance) intake after having a skill they’re really good at. Most don’t and that’s why we see a correlation with drugs and being not good at much.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by seadan83 on Thursday June 23, 2022 @05:13PM (#31855222)
Do we see that correlation? Until recently, anyone over 40 was underground about marijuana usage. It turned out, tons of people use cannabis, many executives, plenty of people that we view as successful. One problem with black markets, it's very difficult to get good data, hence - do we really see a correlation? Or do we just perceive a correlation (ie: confirmation bias)
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by tr1ll10nb1ll on Thursday June 23, 2022 @05:30PM (#31855385)
I'm not disagreeing and you can be wildly successful with or without it, I'm just pointing out heavy usage on a regular basis before you ever get to sustain that lifestyle can be detrimental to your success. But yeah, it could very well just be me perceiving a correlation here.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by analog31 on Thursday June 23, 2022 @06:14PM (#31855762)
I had a friend who was a heavy pot smoker, and was insistent that there were no health affects. I asked him: "What about motivation?"

He said: "OK, motivation."

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by cultofmetatron on Thursday June 23, 2022 @02:10PM (#31853002)
weed is a godsend for me. I normally aways feel a bit guilty if I'm not doing something productive. To the point where its a significant source of anxiety and insomnia. when things start getting to hot in the brain, a few puffs and I'm content to relax, watch some anime and sleep early.

completely agree with the op in general though. def not good of for kids who should be working on establishing themselves.

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by farnsworth on Thursday June 23, 2022 @03:23PM (#31854014)
This quote stuck in my brain for a long time and I resonate with it and how I used it at a certain period in my life. It doesn't have to be like this if you approach it differently but in a certain context and state of mind, it's like an anti-adderall. Makes the day go by in comfort and nothing at all gets done.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by ipaddr on Thursday June 23, 2022 @03:30PM (#31854106)
Until you train yourself to get more things done when stoned which is step 2.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by farnsworth on Thursday June 23, 2022 @05:31PM (#31855399)
Yes, it just takes the right mindset and some effort (for me)
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by babypuncher on Thursday June 23, 2022 @04:52PM (#31855004)
I think it highlights why we put age restrictions on things like this. A developing brain is far more likely to fall into this trap than and already functioning adult brain.
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by Terry_Roll on Thursday June 23, 2022 @05:47PM (#31855559)
Actually I'd say its got some sort of anticholinergic effect.

The whitey that people experience, usually first time users or infrequent users, is a release of glutathione, and obviously its messing with the endocannabinoid system.

Its also got a very potent memory wiping effect, which makes it useful for criminals doing stuff to you, like raping you in your sleep if you have been spiked with prescription sleeping pills and/or off the shelf anti histamines sold to aid sleep.

Its a very nasty combination of drugs, when that sort of stuff has been done to you in your sleep, and criminals never tell you what they plan to do to you!

Dont make it easy for them, the legal system wont help you!

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by __s on Thursday June 23, 2022 @02:44PM (#31853469)
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by majani on Friday June 24, 2022 @12:25AM (#31857791)
Conversely you could argue that that's probably a good way to go out after you get an empty nest
Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by throw7 on Thursday June 23, 2022 @02:42PM (#31853456)
> it most likely isn't gonna fund terrorists

Afghanistan?

Re:As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick by dghlsakjg on Thursday June 23, 2022 @04:34PM (#31854785)
I don't know if it is the same in Europe, but Marijuana in North America tends to be produced in the country it is consumed. In most places where it is legalized in the states and canada you can even find out exactly what farm it was that produced it.

More than I can say for the food I eat.