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Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by andersco on Sunday April 24, 2022 @08:00PM (#31149421)
If Musk acquires Twitter, I will likely be deleting my account. Am I the only one? Would his acquisition spell the beginning of the end for Twitter?
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by seattle_spring on Sunday April 24, 2022 @08:05PM (#31149448)
If it turns into a 4chan-esque dumping ground (sorry, I mean "bastion of free speech") then yes I definitely would stop using Twitter.
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by refurb on Monday April 25, 2022 @07:23AM (#31153014)
It kind of already is?

I mean, jesus, just read the replies from any political post by damn near anyone who is slightly Twitter famous.

It's absolute trash heaped upon burning trash heaped upon dog shit.

Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by askafriend on Sunday April 24, 2022 @08:01PM (#31149428)
Seems a little dramatic to delete your account, don't you think?
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by andersco on Sunday April 24, 2022 @08:06PM (#31149458)
It really depends on if he follows through on what he is proposing, which seems to be to allow for disinformation and hate speech. If that turns out to not be the case, then I might reconsider.
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by wellthatsawrap on Sunday April 24, 2022 @08:14PM (#31149512)
Yes. The current information coming from Twatter is is perfectly accurate.
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by rb666 on Monday April 25, 2022 @02:44AM (#31151298)
So making it far worse is a good plan?
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by wellthatsawrap on Monday April 25, 2022 @12:51PM (#31157520)
How can it be worse? If all Elon did was buy it, fire everyone and liquidate the assets it would be an improvement. Twitter as it stands today is a tool that is being used by nefarious actors to shape the narrative in the US. This is a fact. It's a massive gaslighting and astroturfing operation.
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by assttoasstmgr on Monday April 25, 2022 @03:21AM (#31151479)
>If that turns out to not be the case, then I might reconsider.

It seems rather narcissistic to think that deleting your account would be of any consequence or inflict punishment on anyone. To put it bluntly, someone farting in their own car on the highway (and potentially soiling themselves, getting distracted, and causing a chain-reaction accident) has a greater potential impact to future events than whatever irrelevant drivel you (or I, or anyone) posts on Twitter.

Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by altacc on Monday April 25, 2022 @03:56AM (#31151670)
One deleted account is nothing. Many deleted accounts changes the companies value and ability to profit from advertising. Netflix's current woes are not just about subscriber numbers but the numbers didn't have to go down much to make an impact & focus attention on their challenges.
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by assttoasstmgr on Monday April 25, 2022 @04:45AM (#31151951)
That will never happen in sufficient volume to make any meaningful impact. I predict roughly the same amount of cancelled Twitter accounts as those that cancelled their Spotify accounts (and proudly announced doing so to their 8 followers on Twitter) after the whole Joe Rogan kerfuffle. Apparently Rogan gained 2M subscribers in the aftermath. [1]

For better or worse, Twitter has become the de-facto town square. The clones have tried and failed because the momentum to move sufficient numbers en masse just isn't there. Do you honestly believe that Musk is such an unpleasant figure that hoards of people would suddenly leave the platform? Where would they go? A digital Jonestown?

[1] https://news.yahoo.com/joe-rogan-says-gained-2-122749909.htm...

Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by altacc on Monday April 25, 2022 @08:08AM (#31153358)
I don't know what will happen if Musk takes over but I've seen enough platforms disappear to know that their long term longevity is not something I'd bet real money on. Every collapsed empire at one time looked immortal.
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by madeofpalk on Monday April 25, 2022 @05:38AM (#31152277)
People have boycotted bigger things over less. I think it's perfectly reasonable for someone to not want to support Musk and not buy their products or support a site they own (especially if you think they're going to make it worse).
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by assttoasstmgr on Monday April 25, 2022 @06:00AM (#31152447)
Of course they can; after all, we have freedom of thought.

It's also as idiotic as all the people who were rage-tweeting their airline a week ago, upon suspension of the mask policy in the US, threatening to take their business elsewhere, only to have every major airline follow suit in the span of 6 hours.

I hope they enjoyed their bus ride, otherwise they'd have to just sit there and take it. I suppose getting your pilot's license isn't out of the question. It might be easier than building your own Twitter.

Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by madeofpalk on Monday April 25, 2022 @08:08AM (#31153350)
I think "not using twitter" is a very easy and casual thing anyone can, and probably should do, if they want to. It's not that deep. Just don't use the website everyone calls "the hell site"
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by FFRefresh on Sunday April 24, 2022 @11:16PM (#31150445)
How do you currently measure the amount of disinformation and hate speech on Twitter's platform? And how do you define those terms currently?

I can promise you, no matter what he does, people/sites you follow will likely extol how terrible the platform has gotten with disinformation/hate speech, even if he does nothing. How will you protect against that negativity bias? Do you have an objective way to know whether it's gotten worse or not, or are you going to rely on anecdotes from the sources you follow?

Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by panick21_ on Sunday April 24, 2022 @09:08PM (#31149813)
He also said he wanted to make far more accounts with verified identity and he wants to fight bots.

Fighting bots seems to me the opposite of 'allow disinformation'.

Also, are we currently blocking people for pushing disinformation? Did I miss something?

Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by assttoasstmgr on Monday April 25, 2022 @03:40AM (#31151571)
It's not disinformation if you agree with the bots politically. Gotta keep that dopamine raging somehow.

Also I've lost count of how much of last year's 'disinformation' became this year's 'that totally happened'.

Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by panick21_ on Monday April 25, 2022 @04:12AM (#31151746)
Well, whatever but bots are just generally bat and annoying. The platform would be better without them.
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by madeofpalk on Monday April 25, 2022 @05:44AM (#31152324)
"generally bad and annoying" breaks whatever ideal of 'free speech' one might have. The most concrete thing Musk has said is "twitter should just follow the laws of countries", but spam bots are not illegal - USPS cannot unilaterally ban junk mail because that breaks the first amendment

Interviewer: You've described yourself, Elon, as a free speech absolutist, but does that mean that there's literally nothing that people can't say and it's okay?

Musk: Well, I think obviously Twitter or any forum is bound by the laws of the country that it operates in. So obviously there are some limitations on free speech in the US, and, of course, Twitter would have to abide by those rules. [...] No, I think, like I said, in my view Twitter should match the laws of the country

Quite a struggle for an international website, where the majority of users are outside of the US, to just say "we should follow the laws of countries" as if there's one single internationally compatible law for that.

Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by assttoasstmgr on Monday April 25, 2022 @04:27AM (#31151838)
Oh, absolutely. The platform is overrun with bots. Here's an interesting exercise to try: search for a unique phrase on Twitter and see how many results you get that are posting verbatim copypasta from seemingly "unique" accounts, especially around popular trending topics. Detecting this should not be too difficult I imagine.
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by influx on Sunday April 24, 2022 @08:48PM (#31149688)
Can you point to a source that claims that is what he intends to do? If not, seems like you are the one spewing disinformation.
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by andersco on Sunday April 24, 2022 @08:58PM (#31149737)
I would suggest googling “Elon Musk Twitter legal speech” - this was one of the top results

https://theconversation.com/amp/if-elon-musk-succeeds-in-his...

Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by raspberry1337 on Monday April 25, 2022 @04:46AM (#31151952)
A professor somewhere thinks legal speech will restrict speech?! Oh my! That settles it!
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by refurb on Monday April 25, 2022 @07:24AM (#31153023)
Exactly. If Musk has his way it'll be nothing but people picking quarrels and provoking trouble.

We can't have that.

Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by EMM_386 on Monday April 25, 2022 @05:11AM (#31152113)
> It really depends on if he follows through on what he is proposing, which seems to be to allow for disinformation and hate speech.

If you have to put a real, verified name behind these posts, at least that can cut into the massive bot armies spreading disinformation and the massive foreign spending that goes into amplifying all of it.

Then you would have the benefits of a free speech platform while preventing it from becoming a psunami of noise.

You have to stand behind what you say, because your real name is on it. True, we do have politicians and others trying to spin destructive narratives and spread falsehoods, but it is their right in the United States to do so, as long as it does not run awfoul of existing laws.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1517215066550116354

Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by madeofpalk on Monday April 25, 2022 @05:34AM (#31152252)
Requiring "Real Name" (and making it public) is an incredibly privileged position that immediately destroys the website for a significant amount of people.

Anonymity is very valuable, especially for some of societies' most vulnerable, who should have a place on social media.

Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by rzz3 on Monday April 25, 2022 @04:50AM (#31151986)
Why? What I’m earth changes the next day? I’d you enjoy Twitter, use it. If it stops bringing you joy, stop using it. I, on the other hand, already dislike Twitter and may very well give it another chance under new leadership. But it’s just a social media account, everything doesn’t need to be some kind of statement. If you want to delete it, just do it, we don’t all need to hear about it.
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by sascha_sl on Monday April 25, 2022 @04:55AM (#31152015)
What changes? The guy posting the position of Elon's jet is banned, obviously. And I'm sure he'd be petty enough to take a swipe at Chelsea Manning too, if not publically then using all dark pattern moderation tools available.
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by tux1968 on Monday April 25, 2022 @03:01AM (#31151377)
As long as he follows through with the idea of a more open platform, with reduced censorship of unpopular people and ideas, I'd create an account. It would be a hopeful sign that freedom of expression isn't on a death march. And not that it would be easy, but I'd probably end up listening more often to people I disagree with.
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by andersco on Sunday April 24, 2022 @08:26PM (#31149572)
The downvotes in response to my question seems to imply a lot of people think a Musk acquisition would be a good thing. Maybe list some of the reasons why?
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by EnKopVand on Monday April 25, 2022 @03:22AM (#31151481)
I think it is a little unfair for you to expect a good discussion when you line up no real reasons as to why you would be deleting your account other than you seemingly dislike Musk a lot.

I’m in the “fortunate” position to not have strong feelings about Musk either way. I may delete my Twitter account if he takes the company private, but that will be more of protest against billionaires owning platforms that I think should be non-profit organisations because of their public impact. That being said, I’m not sure how that is even relevant to most people here on HN as my “protest” is not really matter.

I think Twitter might be opening itself up to a competitor if Musk does something stupid with it. But Twitter is probably already pretty open to disruption as it is exactly for the reason big money sees wasted potential in it. “Owning” the space for public discourse is sort of twitters thing, but it’s much less good at it than LinkedIn is at owning corporate discourse as an example.

But it all sort of depends on what Musk does with it, doesn’t it? Maybe he will make it better.

Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by mrfusion on Sunday April 24, 2022 @08:35PM (#31149621)
Free speech, A truer town square to debate important issues, Remove bots, add new features, a fresh take on how to raise profits, better management, and he even mentioned building a homeless shelter in their HQ.
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by youngtaff on Monday April 25, 2022 @03:14AM (#31151438)
What’s free speech?

Twitter can be a pretty hostile place if you’re not a white straight man, can’t see Musk making it any betters for those people who are currently harrassed fir being women, queer or colored

Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by heroicdanger on Monday April 25, 2022 @05:11AM (#31152108)
The internet is a hostile place for everybody. Your race and gender is irrelevant.
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by polski-g on Monday April 25, 2022 @07:10AM (#31152911)
> Twitter can be a pretty hostile place if you’re not a white straight man

On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog.

Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by systemvoltage on Monday April 25, 2022 @03:55AM (#31151656)
> Twitter can be a pretty hostile place if you’re not a white straight man

I've never seen that. I've been a Twitter user since 2009.

Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by jayd16 on Monday April 25, 2022 @02:52AM (#31151336)
We're back to believing Elon's promises because...?
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by smegma2 on Sunday April 24, 2022 @09:08PM (#31149812)
It's more that your parent comment doesn't convey much information. I read it as "I don't think Musk acquiring twitter is a good thing" without explaining why and extrapolating that everyone else will feel the same way.
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by notacoward on Sunday April 24, 2022 @10:35PM (#31150269)
That seems like a very uncharitable interpretation. They weren't asking whether others agree with a statement of fact but whether a sentiment or feeling is common. Maybe it would have led to a more productive discussion if the question had been phrased more generally ("do people think there will be a lot of departures") without putting a personal spin on it, but the ugly turn things took afterward is more on the respondents than on the person asking. We're supposed to be curious, remember?
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by happytoexplain on Sunday April 24, 2022 @09:10PM (#31149827)
>extrapolating that everyone else will feel the same way

Whoa, where are you getting that?

Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by smegma2 on Sunday April 24, 2022 @09:26PM (#31149916)
You know where I'm getting it. If I say: "could this be the worst presidency our country has seen?" It's clear that it's not a real question, but an assertion. Similarly, when someone says "could this be the end of Twitter?" they are suggesting that it is in fact the end of Twitter.
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by happytoexplain on Sunday April 24, 2022 @10:05PM (#31150133)
You're right that such a thing is common, but I don't get the "fake question" vibe at all - sincerely, I don't. Maybe the parent is committing that sin, for all I know, but to assume so seems unnecessarily hostile. It's not worded particularly provocatively, and the question of the direction Elon would take the platform and whether it could really be the beginning of the end, for some definition of end, has genuine value. Also, please don't accuse me of being dishonest with, "You know where I'm getting it".
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by smegma2 on Monday April 25, 2022 @12:09AM (#31150658)
Sorry for assuming bad faith. It sounded like you were playing dumb in which case I feel there's no other way to respond.

I feel that 'assume good faith' has its limits since those who comment in bad faith have no restrictions while others are forced to respond as though nothing is wrong. So sometimes I feel the need to respond a bit more aggressively, maybe that's not in the goals of the site though.

Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by ridiculous_leke on Sunday April 24, 2022 @09:58PM (#31150097)
Maybe because that doesn't add anything to the discussion. Most of us hardly care what you are going to do with your account.
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by influx on Sunday April 24, 2022 @08:02PM (#31149431)
Yes, you are the only one.
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by andersco on Sunday April 24, 2022 @08:17PM (#31149528)
I can see the headline now: “The one lone user who deleted his Twitter account after Elon Musk’s acquisition”
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by happytoexplain on Sunday April 24, 2022 @10:08PM (#31150143)
The tone of these two comments is pretty amazing to me, on HN (not including dead comments). I don't see what the GP did to deserve such snide mockery.
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by hedora on Sunday April 24, 2022 @09:44PM (#31150026)
Why one user joined uncounted others that deleted Twitter account in aftermath of Tesla Baron's hostile acquisition bid.

FTFY.

Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by throw_m239339 on Sunday April 24, 2022 @08:08PM (#31149472)
If Musk acquires Twitter, I will likely create a Twitter account.

> Am I the only one? Would his acquisition spell the beginning of the end for Twitter?

And for all Twitter blue checks to go where? Tik Tok?

Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by mlindner on Sunday April 24, 2022 @08:32PM (#31149610)
Why post about it? You're welcome to do it. Personally I'd wait to see what Musk has planned. He'll obviously tweet about it.
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by newsclues on Sunday April 24, 2022 @08:02PM (#31149434)
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by thatjoeoverthr on Monday April 25, 2022 @02:53AM (#31151342)
I might bring my account back.
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by jokethrowaway on Monday April 25, 2022 @02:52AM (#31151335)
I think I'll be creating one (having deleted mine ages ago).

That would make Twitter the only big tech company with free speech as a core issue.

Nowadays even small tech like DuckDuckGo is actively cherry picking which propaganda to display.

Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by Hadriel on Monday April 25, 2022 @03:12AM (#31151424)
I'd bring my account back
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by corobo on Monday April 25, 2022 @05:33AM (#31152249)
I don't even know who owns/CEOs it now. I'll be there with popcorn to see what happens but nah I doubt my usage of Twitter will change unless the platform goes boring first
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by MrMan on Monday April 25, 2022 @09:19AM (#31154133)
I don't have the ability to downvote I have too little Karma after so many years but I have to ask why care about Twitter? It seems like a waste of time.
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by adamrezich on Monday April 25, 2022 @03:17AM (#31151448)
just like all those Americans who totally ended up moving to Canada after the 2016 election like they said they would
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by kamranjon on Monday April 25, 2022 @03:20AM (#31151470)
Not sure if joking but I know a number of people who actually did this.
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by gadders on Monday April 25, 2022 @06:51AM (#31152791)
It looks like he is having a positive effect already and he hasn't even bought the company yet.
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by psychlops on Sunday April 24, 2022 @08:07PM (#31149465)
First I'd need to create one.
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by bombcar on Sunday April 24, 2022 @11:06PM (#31150406)
Create two so you can delete both of them!
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by notacoward on Sunday April 24, 2022 @09:48PM (#31150044)
Maybe not the day of the sale, but at the first whiff of him actually influencing policy I'd start shifting my social-media attention elsewhere. I already see more than enough shallow techno-feudalist opinionating on a certain other site, so I don't need Twitter heading (further) that way too.
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by x3n0ph3n3 on Monday April 25, 2022 @01:55AM (#31151098)
Did you also move to Canada when Trump became president?
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by gadders on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @03:58AM (#31165078)
Hey Andersco - have you deleted your account now?
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by ipaddr on Sunday April 24, 2022 @08:08PM (#31149473)
No.. but there might be an exodus of people like yourself offset by others onboarding.