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Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by askafriend on Sunday April 24, 2022 @08:01PM (#31149428)
Seems a little dramatic to delete your account, don't you think?
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by andersco on Sunday April 24, 2022 @08:06PM (#31149458)
It really depends on if he follows through on what he is proposing, which seems to be to allow for disinformation and hate speech. If that turns out to not be the case, then I might reconsider.
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by wellthatsawrap on Sunday April 24, 2022 @08:14PM (#31149512)
Yes. The current information coming from Twatter is is perfectly accurate.
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by rb666 on Monday April 25, 2022 @02:44AM (#31151298)
So making it far worse is a good plan?
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by wellthatsawrap on Monday April 25, 2022 @12:51PM (#31157520)
How can it be worse? If all Elon did was buy it, fire everyone and liquidate the assets it would be an improvement. Twitter as it stands today is a tool that is being used by nefarious actors to shape the narrative in the US. This is a fact. It's a massive gaslighting and astroturfing operation.
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by assttoasstmgr on Monday April 25, 2022 @03:21AM (#31151479)
>If that turns out to not be the case, then I might reconsider.

It seems rather narcissistic to think that deleting your account would be of any consequence or inflict punishment on anyone. To put it bluntly, someone farting in their own car on the highway (and potentially soiling themselves, getting distracted, and causing a chain-reaction accident) has a greater potential impact to future events than whatever irrelevant drivel you (or I, or anyone) posts on Twitter.

Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by altacc on Monday April 25, 2022 @03:56AM (#31151670)
One deleted account is nothing. Many deleted accounts changes the companies value and ability to profit from advertising. Netflix's current woes are not just about subscriber numbers but the numbers didn't have to go down much to make an impact & focus attention on their challenges.
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by assttoasstmgr on Monday April 25, 2022 @04:45AM (#31151951)
That will never happen in sufficient volume to make any meaningful impact. I predict roughly the same amount of cancelled Twitter accounts as those that cancelled their Spotify accounts (and proudly announced doing so to their 8 followers on Twitter) after the whole Joe Rogan kerfuffle. Apparently Rogan gained 2M subscribers in the aftermath. [1]

For better or worse, Twitter has become the de-facto town square. The clones have tried and failed because the momentum to move sufficient numbers en masse just isn't there. Do you honestly believe that Musk is such an unpleasant figure that hoards of people would suddenly leave the platform? Where would they go? A digital Jonestown?

[1] https://news.yahoo.com/joe-rogan-says-gained-2-122749909.htm...

Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by altacc on Monday April 25, 2022 @08:08AM (#31153358)
I don't know what will happen if Musk takes over but I've seen enough platforms disappear to know that their long term longevity is not something I'd bet real money on. Every collapsed empire at one time looked immortal.
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by madeofpalk on Monday April 25, 2022 @05:38AM (#31152277)
People have boycotted bigger things over less. I think it's perfectly reasonable for someone to not want to support Musk and not buy their products or support a site they own (especially if you think they're going to make it worse).
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by assttoasstmgr on Monday April 25, 2022 @06:00AM (#31152447)
Of course they can; after all, we have freedom of thought.

It's also as idiotic as all the people who were rage-tweeting their airline a week ago, upon suspension of the mask policy in the US, threatening to take their business elsewhere, only to have every major airline follow suit in the span of 6 hours.

I hope they enjoyed their bus ride, otherwise they'd have to just sit there and take it. I suppose getting your pilot's license isn't out of the question. It might be easier than building your own Twitter.

Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by madeofpalk on Monday April 25, 2022 @08:08AM (#31153350)
I think "not using twitter" is a very easy and casual thing anyone can, and probably should do, if they want to. It's not that deep. Just don't use the website everyone calls "the hell site"
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by FFRefresh on Sunday April 24, 2022 @11:16PM (#31150445)
How do you currently measure the amount of disinformation and hate speech on Twitter's platform? And how do you define those terms currently?

I can promise you, no matter what he does, people/sites you follow will likely extol how terrible the platform has gotten with disinformation/hate speech, even if he does nothing. How will you protect against that negativity bias? Do you have an objective way to know whether it's gotten worse or not, or are you going to rely on anecdotes from the sources you follow?

Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by panick21_ on Sunday April 24, 2022 @09:08PM (#31149813)
He also said he wanted to make far more accounts with verified identity and he wants to fight bots.

Fighting bots seems to me the opposite of 'allow disinformation'.

Also, are we currently blocking people for pushing disinformation? Did I miss something?

Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by assttoasstmgr on Monday April 25, 2022 @03:40AM (#31151571)
It's not disinformation if you agree with the bots politically. Gotta keep that dopamine raging somehow.

Also I've lost count of how much of last year's 'disinformation' became this year's 'that totally happened'.

Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by panick21_ on Monday April 25, 2022 @04:12AM (#31151746)
Well, whatever but bots are just generally bat and annoying. The platform would be better without them.
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by madeofpalk on Monday April 25, 2022 @05:44AM (#31152324)
"generally bad and annoying" breaks whatever ideal of 'free speech' one might have. The most concrete thing Musk has said is "twitter should just follow the laws of countries", but spam bots are not illegal - USPS cannot unilaterally ban junk mail because that breaks the first amendment

Interviewer: You've described yourself, Elon, as a free speech absolutist, but does that mean that there's literally nothing that people can't say and it's okay?

Musk: Well, I think obviously Twitter or any forum is bound by the laws of the country that it operates in. So obviously there are some limitations on free speech in the US, and, of course, Twitter would have to abide by those rules. [...] No, I think, like I said, in my view Twitter should match the laws of the country

Quite a struggle for an international website, where the majority of users are outside of the US, to just say "we should follow the laws of countries" as if there's one single internationally compatible law for that.

Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by assttoasstmgr on Monday April 25, 2022 @04:27AM (#31151838)
Oh, absolutely. The platform is overrun with bots. Here's an interesting exercise to try: search for a unique phrase on Twitter and see how many results you get that are posting verbatim copypasta from seemingly "unique" accounts, especially around popular trending topics. Detecting this should not be too difficult I imagine.
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by influx on Sunday April 24, 2022 @08:48PM (#31149688)
Can you point to a source that claims that is what he intends to do? If not, seems like you are the one spewing disinformation.
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by andersco on Sunday April 24, 2022 @08:58PM (#31149737)
I would suggest googling “Elon Musk Twitter legal speech” - this was one of the top results

https://theconversation.com/amp/if-elon-musk-succeeds-in-his...

Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by raspberry1337 on Monday April 25, 2022 @04:46AM (#31151952)
A professor somewhere thinks legal speech will restrict speech?! Oh my! That settles it!
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by refurb on Monday April 25, 2022 @07:24AM (#31153023)
Exactly. If Musk has his way it'll be nothing but people picking quarrels and provoking trouble.

We can't have that.

Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by EMM_386 on Monday April 25, 2022 @05:11AM (#31152113)
> It really depends on if he follows through on what he is proposing, which seems to be to allow for disinformation and hate speech.

If you have to put a real, verified name behind these posts, at least that can cut into the massive bot armies spreading disinformation and the massive foreign spending that goes into amplifying all of it.

Then you would have the benefits of a free speech platform while preventing it from becoming a psunami of noise.

You have to stand behind what you say, because your real name is on it. True, we do have politicians and others trying to spin destructive narratives and spread falsehoods, but it is their right in the United States to do so, as long as it does not run awfoul of existing laws.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1517215066550116354

Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by madeofpalk on Monday April 25, 2022 @05:34AM (#31152252)
Requiring "Real Name" (and making it public) is an incredibly privileged position that immediately destroys the website for a significant amount of people.

Anonymity is very valuable, especially for some of societies' most vulnerable, who should have a place on social media.