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Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by bloopernova on Saturday June 26, 2021 @09:56AM (#27641877)
Not really relevant but I need to vent.

Client dropped Slack for Teams. I hate it, and information exchange has dropped precipitously since everyone switched. So slow, half the time text markup doesn't work, and the UI is inconsistent depending on if you're typing in a chat, meeting, or channel.

Oh and none of the Slack logs were kept, losing years of information. (But that's not the fault of the Teams software)

I loathe Teams.

Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by xyst on Saturday June 26, 2021 @10:04AM (#27641945)
I agree with this. Also how can they forget an option to “paste without formatting”? Copying stuff from other sources is extremely painful. At this point, I leave it as is. I don’t have time to micromanage each copy and paste.

Also teams has this arbitrary message character limit that makes it terrible for sharing large chunks of text (partial logs for example).

While the integrations with outlook (mail/scheduling) + teams works “well enough”, the experience of the app itself leaves something to be desired.

Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by qlm on Saturday June 26, 2021 @10:13AM (#27642034)
Can somebody explain why "paste with formatting" is so widely the default option? I have literally never wanted to paste with formatting and neither have multiple family members who have needed help with preventing it from happening.
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by m-p-3 on Saturday June 26, 2021 @11:14AM (#27642568)
IMO if paste with formatting was assigned another shortcut like Ctrl+Shift+V and the default Ctrl+V was without formatting, that would be less frustrating.
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by kixiQu on Saturday June 26, 2021 @01:07PM (#27643635)
If you sit someone who doesn't know How Links Work in front of some text with an inline hyperlink in it, then try to get them to copy it over to another place, you end up wanting to get to this default pretty quickly. "Right click copy link address" is real unintuitive. I've never wanted the text formatting itself to come over, bold text and headings and whatnot, but since that lives in about the same conceptual space, it's a casualty of design.
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by lolinder on Saturday June 26, 2021 @02:09PM (#27644309)
It would be pretty trivial to paste without formatting but still auto-parse links. Many apps do the link parsing on the client side, so it's not a formatting concern at all.
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by corin_ on Saturday June 26, 2021 @02:32PM (#27644550)
That's fine if the text you're copying spells out the URL, but often it will be just a word(s) that are hyperlinked, so if pasted as plain text the software you paste into has no idea there was a URL linked at all.

(But I too wish plain text pasting was the default more often.)

Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by mindri0t on Saturday June 26, 2021 @02:35PM (#27644575)
How would that work in the case where the link display text is not the address? Normally pasting without formatting discards the fact that some text like “download other file” is a link.
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by Someone on Saturday June 26, 2021 @12:53PM (#27643509)
History. The Mac didn’t have “paste without formatting”, and assigned ⌘-V to “paste with formatting”.

Even if it had, they might have made it the default, either to show of that styles copied over, or for consistency. If you paste a picture, you don’t lose formatting, either (of the picture, whatever that means, or any text in the image)

If you copied some text in MacWrite, for example, exited MacWrote, launched MacPaint, and ⌘V-ed into MacPaint, you likely wanted to keep the font, size and style.

Some programs also have several variants of “without formatting”. Excel is a good example (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/paste-options-8ea...). Which one should be the default?

Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by ljm on Saturday June 26, 2021 @04:34PM (#27645585)
Last time I built something on MacOS, this was basically just a feature of the clipboard API that each app could use independently. When copying to the clipboard, you could declare numerous formats for what was copied, and any app receiving clipboard input could state that they only accepted one format.

e.g. copy a jpeg file and you can paste it into Slack, and it will automatically add the image to the post. Paste it into the terminal and you'll get the absolute path to the file. Those sound like sensible defaults that are essentially 'context sensitive paste'.

You could copy a link from a webpage and store both the HTML version and a raw-text version in the clipboard, probably a version that used an annotated string, too.

For the same reason, yeah... this isn't as intuitive when it comes to software like Excel.

Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by Someone on Saturday June 26, 2021 @06:05PM (#27646358)
That has been around on the Mac since 1984 and applications were always encouraged to put plain text on the clipboard alongside formatted text, but we’re talking UI here, not technology. This kind of UI allows you to choose which of these you want because it turns out the application cannot always make the best choice.
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by stephenr on Saturday June 26, 2021 @02:05PM (#27644278)
And yet macOS now has paste without formatting in almost every app I can think of (it’s enough that I’d guess it’s a standard thing apps get if they use native frameworks) AND it’s trivial to remap a menu item to another keyboard shortcut across the entire OS.
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by Dylan16807 on Saturday June 26, 2021 @02:33PM (#27644563)
> Some programs also have several variants of “without formatting”. Excel is a good example (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/paste-options-8ea...). Which one should be the default?

Most of those are very specific versions of formatting or specialty features.

The only ones that would qualify as "paste without formatting" are "formulas" and "values" modes, and of those two I'd probably say "formulas" is a better default.

Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by mason55 on Saturday June 26, 2021 @12:47PM (#27643450)
The normal case is when you’re cut/copy/pasting intra-app. Imagine if you formatted some text and then cut/paste to move it around and by default you lost your formatting.
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by lolinder on Saturday June 26, 2021 @02:11PM (#27644329)
Yep, this would be a good reason to keep it. You could probably get around this by using a separate MIME type for your app's content. If that type is present, use it, otherwise default to no formatting.

I'm not sure how intuitive that would be for users, though, having different defaults depending on where the data is coming from.

Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by handrous on Saturday June 26, 2021 @10:52AM (#27642364)
All I can figure is that research/observation showed that:

- Normal users often prefer to paste with formatting.

- Normal users will never figure out how to do that if it's not the default.

- Normal users will usually reluctantly accept paste-with-formatting even if it's not what they wanted—that is, it's only rarely entirely unacceptable for them.

- Power users will figure out how to paste without formatting.

Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by unknown_error on Saturday June 26, 2021 @11:19AM (#27642622)
You think Microsoft, of Ribbon and Clippy and full-screen start menu ads, and 20 different control panels for the same settings, does UX testing...? The same Microsoft that can't decide whether normal users prefer Windows, Windows Phone, Zune, or Xbox interfaces, so they just go ahead and add a little of each to all of them?

More likely they were just worried Slack was attacking their enterprise segment and killing Skype so they rushed a shitty product to market ASAP. "Embrace, extend, extinguish" has turned into "panic, copycat, repeat".

Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by 41b696ef1113 on Saturday June 26, 2021 @11:04AM (#27642464)
I imagine it stems from Powerpoint or Word. If I move bolded header text from the bottom of the page to the top of the page, it would be irritating to re-apply formatting. Once you have established this precedent, easy for it to infect the rest of the ecosystem.
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by 52-6F-62 on Saturday June 26, 2021 @11:27AM (#27642695)
I do actually use it all the time. We share some slack channels with external partners but email is the main mode for some others and I have to send code, interfaces, etc on occasion and copy pasting from VS Code maintains the formatting in Apple mail which I’ve found useful. No hitting the space at a hundred times to indent a nested line. And it’s easy enough to escape.

But that behaviour everywhere would drive me nuts.

Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by kaba0 on Saturday June 26, 2021 @11:57AM (#27642940)
I think they mean formatting as in slightly different font, color, background or goddamn underline and the like. I have never found it useful, and would be much much better with a non-default right click past as formatted option.

Your use case will not suffer since whitespace is text.

Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by andybak on Saturday June 26, 2021 @12:35PM (#27643343)
Formatting can hugely change the way text is read. It's quite common for the spacing between sections to be derived from the formatting. So removing the formatting can result in section headings with zero space from the preceeding paragraph but a manual newline between it and the next paragraph. Thus the headings essentially disappear into the preceeding text.

I've had countless other examples over the years where "paste without formatting" involved lots of manual editing of white space. Bullet and numbered lists sometimes vanish which rather matters if the text says "see point 3 above"

Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by bloopernova on Saturday June 26, 2021 @10:07AM (#27641974)
I have to use the Mac plain paste shortcut all the time: shift+option+command+v (Ctrl+shift+v in windows, not sure about Linux)

Definitely a helpful shortcut!

Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by ceejayoz on Saturday June 26, 2021 @10:13AM (#27642030)
I wish "paste without formatting" was the default, and you had to use the contortionist keyboard shortcut to include formatting.
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by pivo on Saturday June 26, 2021 @10:37AM (#27642237)
You can change it, modify the key mapping like so:

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/copy-paste-text-without-format...

Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by ceejayoz on Saturday June 26, 2021 @12:21PM (#27643200)
Neat, thanks!
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by xyst on Saturday June 26, 2021 @10:11AM (#27642009)
Didn’t know OS’s had their own native plain paste shortcut. I’ll start using this, thanks!
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by leejoramo on Saturday June 26, 2021 @11:19AM (#27642628)
For the cases were software or OS doesn’t support native plain text paste I create a similar shortcut in Keyboard Maestro (macOS) or AutoHotKey (Windows).

As an extra measure I configure the macro to automatically type the text and not use the direct clipboard paste. This takes care of the situations were the app prohibited pasting.

Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by unknown_error on Saturday June 26, 2021 @11:21AM (#27642645)
Wow, that requires a lot of fingers. It's like an OS and fighting game all in one.
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by wombatpm on Saturday June 26, 2021 @01:56PM (#27644194)
SiliconGraphics machines had the Vulcan death grip that took two hands to force a reboot.
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by bluefirebrand on Saturday June 26, 2021 @12:35PM (#27643345)
Mac Shortcuts are a nightmare, jeez.
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by Keyframe on Saturday June 26, 2021 @11:04AM (#27642467)
Ctrl+shift V... How about where's reply to a specific message on a desktop/web app? Isn't that like the basest of the basics? Audio and video quality is great however, millions of times ahead of Slack and a bit better than Zoom, but ever so slightly, from my experience.
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by everdrive on Saturday June 26, 2021 @11:02AM (#27642450)
>Also how can they forget an option to “paste without formatting”

That's just Microsoft.

I can probably count on one hand the amount of times I've wanted to actually retain source formatting. But, it's the default option on almost any microsoft product out there. And, apparently, on Teams it's not an option at all.

Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by unknown_error on Saturday June 26, 2021 @11:20AM (#27642631)
I bet Teams secretly used Word xml style tags behind the scenes.
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by wizzwizz4 on Saturday June 26, 2021 @03:42PM (#27645118)
No, it's HTML. (Source: entirely too much familiarity with that heap of garbage.)
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by jyrkesh on Saturday June 26, 2021 @02:18PM (#27644404)
FYI, Ctrl+Shift+V works as a paste without formatting shortcut in Teams. But for some reason I can't work out, they chose not to put it in the right-click UI.
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by sgtnasty on Saturday June 26, 2021 @11:47AM (#27642864)
Nothing is more painful than to watch others copy and paste complex linux commands from Teams into the terminal, and watch the shell get corrupted. Windows copy and paste has always been a mess for me. macOS seems to do it much better, but X11 middle click is the best.
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by icey on Saturday June 26, 2021 @01:46PM (#27644092)
Paste with formatting annoyed me so much I made a website that's just a giant textbox I can use to paste stuff into (https://qi.io)
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by DangitBobby on Saturday June 26, 2021 @03:53PM (#27645222)
Now that's going above and beyond.
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by tyingq on Saturday June 26, 2021 @02:37PM (#27644597)
I know there's Ctrl-Shift-V, but I use "PureText" on Windows so I can map my own hotkey.

https://stevemiller.net/puretext/

Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by DangitBobby on Saturday June 26, 2021 @03:52PM (#27645213)
I always paste into the address bar of my browser to clear the formatting. Some other solutions here are probably better, though.
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by tenebrisalietum on Saturday June 26, 2021 @10:58AM (#27642407)
Paste without formatting is Ctrl-Shift-V, isn't it? I don't know if I've ever tried it in Teams though.
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by lttlrck on Saturday June 26, 2021 @01:02PM (#27643599)
It works consistently across all MS products I use including Teams and Office365.
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by kyriakos on Saturday June 26, 2021 @12:59PM (#27643575)
Hack for the character limit is to share as code. Unfortunately that adds 3 clicks to the process.
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by carom on Saturday June 26, 2021 @11:18AM (#27642611)
My trick for paste without formatting is to throw it in the url bar and copy it back out.
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by pwg on Saturday June 26, 2021 @01:49PM (#27644124)
Better to use notepad. The formatting goes away, and you can copy the text back out.
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by dajohnson89 on Saturday June 26, 2021 @01:04PM (#27643613)
if you accidentally press enter, are you ok with the browser sending that information wherever it does?
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by analog31 on Saturday June 26, 2021 @04:36PM (#27645601)
From what I've seen, a lot of people just paste screen captures.
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by chx on Saturday June 26, 2021 @10:17AM (#27642060)
While Slack displays all your organizations in a single tabbed UI, presenting you with the number of unread messages on the tab icons in Teams you need to hard switch and you never know what happens in the others. This makes Teams worse than nothing in communications because one half of the communication expects you to communicate and you are not even aware of this. You literally must jump organizations constantly , possibly needing to log in too, just to see who is pinging you.

This has been known since 2016 at least https://microsoftteams.uservoice.com/forums/555103-public/su... "Support for multiple work accounts is still being worked on and will come at a later date."

Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by monkeybutton on Saturday June 26, 2021 @10:28AM (#27642163)
Right! My company switched from Slack to Teams and even though we recreated all our original channels, public discussion has all but died. Having to context switch between private messaging and public channels, even though it's just another tab, is apparently just too much friction.

Also opening docs and excel sheets inside the main window by default and blocking chat while doing it is absolutely atrocious.

Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by wussboy on Saturday June 26, 2021 @02:20PM (#27644427)
Your last paragraph is a huge source of frustration for me. Such a boner move.
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by bluGill on Saturday June 26, 2021 @03:00PM (#27644798)
Swtiching windows in teams is slow, 20 years ago Microsoft knew the research on this and minimum viable response time. They ignore it and the predictable result is people don't take advantage of teams. It possibly could be good, but I want Skype back, it didn't do as much, but what it did it did well.
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by AtNightWeCode on Saturday June 26, 2021 @12:52PM (#27643505)
You can't even read stuff from other tenants if you are in a video call. Teams came for free at a lot companies I worked with and all of them have moved back to Slack and many of them are also paying for it.
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by chx on Saturday June 26, 2021 @12:57PM (#27643551)
My favorite about video calls is at one of my organizations I am access denied to recordings even when I participated in it. I can't attach images either.

Someone built these features. Why are you building a feature on who can attach images?? The entire mindset is completely wrong and comes from an overcontrolling enterprise mindset completely incompatible with what we expect from a chat tool.

Oh and every time I log in Teams asks whether it can control my entire device. No.

Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by AtNightWeCode on Saturday June 26, 2021 @01:12PM (#27643706)
Good it asks though. So many stupid apps like Instagram and so on that assumes that the logged on user owns the device. In Europe it is very common that you are provided with a device from your work place that you also use in private. I did a password reset on Instagram with such a device. Totally unexceptable.
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by ethbr0 on Saturday June 26, 2021 @12:37PM (#27643359)
> chat, meeting, or channel (from parent)

This is the root of all Teams fuckups.

It's an asinine primitive mapping, that could only come from a project manager who spent their entire career optimizing SharePoint access controls to meet HR product requests.

The entire point of modern chat solutions is persistence and searchability. So the only real differentiation should be public or private channels.

Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by goda90 on Saturday June 26, 2021 @10:26AM (#27642148)
My team started off piloting a self hosted Mattermost instance used by our developers and quality assurance testers. Tons of information exchange as well a team bonding.

Then they rolled out Teams for the whole company. We lost a ton of features that made Mattermost a delight to use. The way channels worked felt less intuitive, and it was just harder to care about group messages. And the worst part? A 30 day deletion policy.

Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by yread on Saturday June 26, 2021 @10:32AM (#27642188)
Even without the deletion policy, searching only brings up matching messages without the context and scrolling back takes ages (and jumps to the present from time to time).
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by walterlb on Saturday June 26, 2021 @11:46AM (#27642854)
That's my number one gripe. Searching message history is absolutely terrible.
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by uncomputation on Saturday June 26, 2021 @01:01PM (#27643591)
My last job used Teams after I had years of experience with Slack and I’m right there with you. I actually enjoy being on Slack and feel like it adds something to the workplace culture (although yes, as many have pointed out before on HN, not everything Slack/real-time team software adds is good). Custom emojis in particular, such a simple thing and yet they really build a channel’s culture. Slack feels fun. Contrast that with Teams, which just feels soulless and corporate and… “angular” is the word that comes to mind. Obviously they are both run for profit, by corporations, for work, but the feel is indescribably different to me. Super grateful my current job uses Slack.
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by spoonjim on Saturday June 26, 2021 @03:22PM (#27644964)
On the contrary, I find that the total suckage of Teams means that there is no random chatter in Teams like we had in Slack because people hate using it. No memes or other random stuff. I like it.
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by MuffinFlavored on Saturday June 26, 2021 @03:31PM (#27645032)
Or just have dedicated rooms for memes/rules about no memes in serious channels and mute the rest...
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by ratww on Saturday June 26, 2021 @11:56AM (#27642928)
Same for us. Our channels went from vibrant to dead in a week because notifications are somehow broken there in ways I can't explain.

The solution for us was to create multi-user chats in the "Chat" section and let the "Teams" section die the horrible death it deserves.

The notifications are more consistent in "Chat". But god forbid someone talks too much, because then you get those horrible non-native notifications that are completely broken in itself too.

It's probably the worst app I've used in years, and that's saying a lot because app quality is incredibly bad these days.

Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by criddell on Saturday June 26, 2021 @03:30PM (#27645016)
The "Teams" part has never made sense. A few exist where I work and I don't think they have ever been used.
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by apexalpha on Saturday June 26, 2021 @12:04PM (#27643015)
I still can't get over the fact that even Microsoft uses an electron app for their own OS.

If not even Microsoft itself writes native code for their own bloody OS then we're just doomed. It's just all so sluggish.

Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by Closi on Saturday June 26, 2021 @04:14PM (#27645414)
> If not even Microsoft itself writes native code for their own bloody OS then we're just doomed

I agree a native client would be great, although I assume this choice is more because Microsoft wanted it to be multi-platform across iOS, Android, Web, Mac, Linux, Windows, Chromebook e.t.c. and that would either require building it multiple times, or building it in html/js as the lowest common denominator (web).

Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by dsego on Saturday June 26, 2021 @02:52PM (#27644723)
Yeah, what ever happened to their Silverlight platform?
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by Someone on Saturday June 26, 2021 @04:07PM (#27645350)
It’s alive, but only on IE 11, and only for four more months.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/silverlight-end-...:

“Microsoft Silverlight will reach the end of support on October 12, 2021. Silverlight development framework is currently only supported on Internet Explorer 10 and Internet Explorer 11, with support for Internet Explorer 10 ending on January 31, 2020. There is no longer support for Chrome, Firefox, or any browser using the Mac operating system.”

Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by pedrocr on Saturday June 26, 2021 @10:17AM (#27642058)
We were using Skype for Business before and Teams was a big improvement over that. It does video conferencing and file sharing well, with even collaborative editing of Office files working well. The chat features seem like an afterthought so if you're comparing it based on that I'm not surprised it's that bad.
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by ethbr0 on Saturday June 26, 2021 @12:43PM (#27643411)
> We were using Skype for Business

So you mean the Lync codebase.

That's a pretty low bar to start with.

As one "for example", that's the product team that couldn't figure out how to stop repeating AD logins with invalid saved passwords for 5+ years. Which invariably led to a system you were signed into somewhere locking your account every password rotation.

Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by pedrocr on Saturday June 26, 2021 @01:51PM (#27644148)
An extremely low bar, it was incredibly poor software. The Teams migration was great compared to that, even for messaging.

For VC and file collaboration Teams seems good in absolute, for messaging it seems good only relative to that. Messaging feels like a third-priority feature in Teams. If you're coming from a good messaging experience and that's what you mostly use Teams for then it's no doubt a really poor experience.

Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by tut-urut-utut on Saturday June 26, 2021 @10:08AM (#27641994)
> Oh and none of the Slack logs were kept, losing years of information.

Agree with your sentiment except that it's not Teams fault that your client didn't care about message history when they decided to migrate to Teams.

Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by bloopernova on Saturday June 26, 2021 @10:21AM (#27642106)
True, good point. I updated my comment, thanks!
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by jbluepolarbear on Saturday June 26, 2021 @02:27PM (#27644505)
I worked at a game company that was moving from google enterprise (gmail, docs, etc) to office be use our owner organization used office. Everyone fought hard to keep slack because teams is so bad. We got to keep slack but had to adopt office and it was a disaster. Outlook web and app act completely different, the mail web and app act completely different. the way to edit and share files was very confusing and always had permission issues. We were told we’d keep our email history, then the last 2 years of our history, and then finally they were unable to migrate the history and we lost years of emails. It messed the company up so much, I’m sure it’s one of the contributing factors for why the company was closed 6 months later. Like we were at the end of a 2 year development process going into soft launch, but this migration crippled production and the parent company never took responsibility.
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by rvanlaar on Saturday June 26, 2021 @03:59PM (#27645287)
My 2cts with teams. Multiple clients use teams and sent me invites with team links.

There seems to be no way to open or see the meetings directly within team. I always have to open my mail, click the link, go to the website, click on open in teams and only then will it open the meeting.

Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by jackson1442 on Saturday June 26, 2021 @04:21PM (#27645481)
We use Teams at my University. Generally if something University-sponsored outside of the college of engineering wants to make a chat about something, they use Teams. CoE uses Discord, fortunately.

Easily my least favorite chat app, save for those that break basic functionality as their core product (Snapchat). Teams doesn't seem to understand that organization admins might want to see user names in a different format than users. Everyone's name is Last, F., which makes sense from an administrative standpoint but needing to click into someone's profile to figure out who they are gets old _very_ fast.

The only selling point that Teams seems to have is "we're already paying for it."

Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by ezst on Saturday June 26, 2021 @01:55PM (#27644179)
> Oh and none of the Slack logs were kept, losing years of information.

Welcome to another walled garden messaging service! At least lessons were learned..not.

Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by iso1631 on Monday June 28, 2021 @04:21AM (#27659284)
Company spends $20,000 a month on an employee

Company decides the most important thing is to save $20 a month on not paying for slack

Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by wdb on Sunday June 27, 2021 @06:55PM (#27656234)
I think Google Chat is the worst, though.
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by slumdev on Saturday June 26, 2021 @10:21AM (#27642102)
Same.

Our company (we'll call it Monsarno) was bought by a certain German aspirin company, and our Bavarian overlords are slowly forcing us from Slack over to Teams. It's a nightmare, and very few groups have made the transition willingly.

Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by turbinerneiter on Saturday June 26, 2021 @11:58AM (#27642957)
Bayer isn't Bavarian, it's Northrine Westphalian.
Re:Microsoft Teams 2 will use half the memory, dropping Elec... by slumdev on Saturday June 26, 2021 @12:16PM (#27643152)
I guess there'll be some more required CBTs about the company's history and naming, then.