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Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by jackfrodo on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:11AM (#19421102)
I'm 24 years old, work in software. Neither I nor any of my friends uses a tablet for work or pleasure. I guess I know a couple of people who have Surface Pro's, but that's about it. I'm wondering if the appeal of these begins when you get older? Seems like a lot of the market for these is people who are 50+, but I'd like to know if any people under 25 are interested in them.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by crazygringo on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:22AM (#19421211)
I got my first iPad a year ago, suspecting I wouldn't use it for anything (and I'm nowhere close to 50). Turns out I couldn't have been more wrong. It's now my primary device for:

- Reading and annotating books and papers in PDF format (academic research has never been easier, I use a stylus too)

- Mounting to a tripod and recording video (e.g. professional presentations, with a lapel mic connected -- again, screen size makes it far better than a phone for reviewing a take)

- 3D anatomy app (whether you're working on massage therapy, posture, etc. -- nobody uses printed anatomy books anymore. Phone too small, laptop doesn't have touch)

- Playing video games (same games as on a phone, but so much better on the larger screen)

- Watching TV/movies while traveling (you can do it on a flight on a laptop, but it's hard in an airplane seat -- this is so much easier)

- Video calling (bigger view than phone, but more portable than my laptop)

- Doing light work in a coffee shop (writing, e-mailing, etc.) -- I pair it with the Bluetooth magic keyboard and do my work in Mail and Google Docs/Sheets -- it's way more lightweight than my laptop and just feels a bit more civilized than a big clunky laptop

It's honestly really surprised me how I can't imagine my life without my iPad Mini anymore. Turns out there really is a sweet spot between my phone and my laptop.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by evmar on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:50AM (#19421496)
This is my story too. I am not in the Apple ecosystem (I use mostly Linux) and don't really buy tech gadgets (e.g. I use an old phone), but I got a cheap iPad for a long trip where I wanted a map with a long battery, expecting to not really use it much more than that. I have ended up using it a ton.

My activities are similar to the above, primarily consumption. I have been reading books on it despite having a kindle (I maintain my "no gadgets" position above -- it was a gift) because it is so convenient to be able to switch between a book and other iPad activities, like looking up something online.

I'll add that the screen is great, the battery lasts forever, and (as a programmer) I really appreciate the high software quality.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by deepGem on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:00AM (#19421593)
"Watching TV/movies while traveling (you can do it on a flight on a laptop, but it's hard in an airplane seat -- this is so much easier)"

I have a Macbook Air and even with that, doing anything on an airplane seat is a gigantic PITA. The iPad is a breeze. I wanted to upgrade to the 11 inch but now will upgrade to the 10.5. Definitely worth it, just for travel.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by SZJX on Tuesday March 19, 2019 @02:24PM (#19433879)
That's really not my experience. Since I always take notes when watching videos, I find being without my keyboard an absolute pain. I tried once to bring both my laptop and my tablet out on a short trip. I just used the tablet for an hour throughout the whole trip before I decided to just use the laptop for everything. It's much more productive, especially with window managers such as xmonad.

Also when I'm on my tablet browsing news etc., time flies by really quickly without me having got a lot of things done. IMO if you're using an electronic device, you should aim for maximum productivity. Otherwise it's easy to engage yourself in low-quality activities without paying much attention.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by bwanab on Monday March 18, 2019 @12:09PM (#19422301)
Similar story here. I won my first iPad in a office raffle. I was going to sell it since I figured I'd never use it, but my kids screamed bloody murder so I kept it and I found that I used it all the time, especially for reading documents and news.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by rorykoehler on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:19AM (#19421767)
Which 3D anatomy app do you recommend?
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by crazygringo on Monday March 18, 2019 @01:12PM (#19422927)
I use Complete Anatomy, free install/preview.

The full content is ~$45 downloadable, but if you sign up without buying, you'll eventually get some promos in your e-mail -- I wound up buying it all for $10 during a back-to-school discount.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by anisppp on Monday March 18, 2019 @12:54PM (#19422768)
CompleteAnatomy
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by gryz on Monday March 18, 2019 @06:10PM (#19425864)
Why iPad and not any other android based tablet? My goes, you get more useful apps on iPad? But android shouldn't be that far.... Anything else.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by x0x0 on Monday March 18, 2019 @09:19PM (#19427199)
In my experience -- I've owned two -- the android tablets all have the same flaw. Beyond the super-cheap build quality, android can't conserve battery while sleeping. I can leave my now-4 y/o ipad in my backpack for a week and it will lose perhaps 10%. My androids would be dead. Hence I never use them.

Oh, and because no-one uses android tablets, no one makes good apps for them. eg the nice pdf readers -- I use GoodReader -- are all ios.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by CDSlice on Monday March 18, 2019 @08:56PM (#19427045)
Other than Amazon Fire's which are uber-cheap with terrible specs and no access to Google Play Android tablets sadly aren't a thing anymore.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by hammeiam on Monday March 18, 2019 @01:28PM (#19423090)
What do you use for pdf annotation and citation management? I really like hosting my own data with zotero+webdav, but there basically is no interface. On the flip side, Mendeley has a ton of features, and works+looks great, but hosting is paid.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by copperx on Monday March 18, 2019 @01:50PM (#19423300)
Mendeley also encrypts your PDFs so that you can't access them with other software.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by chipotle_coyote on Monday March 18, 2019 @02:20PM (#19423598)
Depending on what you want for PDF Annotation, Readdle's PDF Expert (as close to full-fledged Acrobat as you're likely to get on the iPad) or the intriguingly weird LiquidText are good options.

https://pdfexpert.com/ios https://www.liquidtext.net

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by 0x38B on Monday March 18, 2019 @03:12PM (#19424144)
It's worth getting over LiquidText's initial weirdness. I downloaded it and then didn't use it for half a year, but when I gave it a go with some PDFs I was reading, I was hooked.

Grabbing parts of a book out into the workspace is easy, and then you can quickly review your workspace of highlights and notes later for a refresher. Also, viewing two places in a single PDF is as easy as tapping and holding on two highlights in the workspace.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by jxdxbx on Monday March 18, 2019 @03:18PM (#19424211)
Liquid Text is one of the cleverest apps I have ever used. And PDF Expert also rules
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by asdff on Monday March 18, 2019 @02:55PM (#19423974)
I don't think there is a single good app that handles both. Mendeley has its own issues aside from being paid, and the PDF viewer feels subpar compared to even Preview. I have zotero just push new files to a dropbox folder and that can be accessed everywhere.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by currymj on Monday March 18, 2019 @02:28PM (#19423695)
if you’re using Zotero check out Papership which is a pretty good iPad client. I haven’t run into a missing feature yet.

Also would recommend, if you want paid hosting, pay for a Zotero account with extra storage (run an academic group at George Mason University, aka the good guys). Don’t give money to Mendeley which is owned by Elsevier (definitely the bad guys).

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by dchuk on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:51AM (#19421512)
Out of curiosity, what do you use for PDF annotation?
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by ashildr on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:24AM (#19421833)
Not the OP here. I’m an outlier, I’ve been using ‚Devon Think‘ for many years and have multiple Databases of PDF to read and markup and other content syncing between multiple devices.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by graeme on Monday March 18, 2019 @07:41PM (#19426499)
Is devonthink a good option for storing, searching and organizing plaintext? I often make a note while pn computer and save it within a dropbox folder. I have no good way of accessing these quickly on ipad and have wondered if devonthink would solve it.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by billbrown on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:06AM (#19421647)
I used to be a Goodreader user but I like PDF Expert better now. I'd recommend anything Readdle puts out, frankly.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by wenc on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:57AM (#19421563)
Not the OP, but on my recent trip, I used Apple Books.

The big advantage for me was that I could visit travel websites with lists of things to do, save website as PDF, made annotations of places I wanted to visit.

It synced seamlessly across all my devices along with annotations. I annotated on my iPad at the hotel, and traveled with my iPhone.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by snazz on Monday March 18, 2019 @12:42PM (#19422661)
Notability is really nice for PDF annotation but not great for reading since it occasionally forgets your position in a book (although there is a bookmark feature). It’s very well optimized: I have over 500 notes in it, some over 1000 pages.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by Jtsummers on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:56AM (#19421551)
I use Goodreader (but I'm not the one you're asking). It works pretty well for me and syncs with a lot of services.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by hiteho on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:17AM (#19421163)
I know a few private charter pilots who are massively excited this morning. The iPad Mini is the only iOS device that is big enough to use at arms length, small enough to fit in a cramped cockpit, and approved by the FAA. They use a handful of apps during flight for planning, weather, approach data and whatnot. There has been a lot of fear among the local pilot community that the Mini would be discontinued. While the device might not be mainstream, for their admittedly specialized use-case, no other computer will do.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by mediaman on Monday March 18, 2019 @02:22PM (#19423621)
Yes, the use of iPads has had a huge impact on aviation. Fancy built-in devices that cost $25k-80k to implement in the cockpit can be replicated on an iPad, and the mini is the best fit. A lot of pilots were really bummed when it appeared that Apple had given up on the mini.

Of course, it can't be used as a primary instrument since it's not certified, but it's amazing paired with ForeFlight so you can see synthetic visualized terrain (you're stuck in clouds, and want to see where the ground is), you can see where other planes are in the airspace, their altitude and direction via ADSB-in, you can do flight planning on it and easily pull approach plates or pull up airport diagrams, it allows you to see the terrain profile of a planned trip much more easily than referencing the charts, and it can serve as a backup to your primary instruments if you have an electrical or vacuum failure in the plane.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by geerlingguy on Monday March 18, 2019 @03:24PM (#19424266)
Similarly, in the medical field, there have been some areas where the mini was a perfect fit for a doctor's pocket or certain devices, and they had a lot of custom apps and mounts so they could replace a lot of other types of devices.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by halbritt on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:22AM (#19421813)
Oh, hey, that reminds me. I also use mine with an external GPS (Dual XGPS) for charts while sailing and for topo maps with Gaia GPS when I need that kind of thing.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by tyleo on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:20AM (#19421195)
I'm 26 and the iPad Air and iPad mini do not appeal to me but I own an iPad Pro and I am enamored with it. I use the iPad Pro at my full-time job as a Software Engineer at Microsoft. I get a lot of mileage by taking notes on it in OneNote and preparing/reading documents from the other Office apps. I also use the iPad to listen to music with Spotify (my headphones have trouble connecting to my work PC). Outside of the office, I use the iPad as a second screen for my Windows Laptop with Duet (https://www.duetdisplay.com/), reading books, web browsing and more Spotify.

My major complaint with the device is the poor IDE support. I think I would love to be able to use it with Visual Studio Code as it is much easier to carry around than my laptop and I don't need the powerful laptop all that frequently. It has basically replaced all of the functionality of my laptop except for my development work.

Hope you find that helpful.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by pidg on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:25AM (#19421840)
As a Surface Pro user it tickles me that Microsoft people are using iPads for the stuff the Surface was designed to excel at (no pun intended).
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by baby on Monday March 18, 2019 @09:26PM (#19427235)
I really really considered getting a Surface Pro, but:

* no airdrop

* poor development environment vs mac's unix

* apple ecosystem (this one, I really hate)

So instead I bought an iPad pro. I wish Apple would make something more like the surface book 2.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by solarkraft on Monday March 18, 2019 @09:56PM (#19427384)
If I got a tablet/laptop hybrid I wouldn't use it with Windows. Linux is a great development environment.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by baby on Friday March 22, 2019 @12:41AM (#19459666)
Ah true, didn't think about that.

Problems I can think about: I want to be able to switch easily to tablet mode or to draw, and it's probably better to stay on windows for that. I'm not sure how well linux is supported on the surface book as well?

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by solarkraft on Friday March 22, 2019 @04:42PM (#19466717)
It is true that pen support on Linux isn't perfect, but a friend of mine uses Xournal for his notes. Took a bit of configuring, but seems to work well.

It doesn't have any ink simulation and I'm not sure whether there are apps/drivers that support it.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by beat on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:44AM (#19421435)
I was very pleased to discover that Visual Studio Code has been ported to ARM64 Chromebooks, and runs just fine on my cheap little Samsung I bought a couple years ago. Along with the unix shell they've recently added to Chromebooks (without needing to go into developer mode), it's not a bad development platform for a lot of things.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by komali2 on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:36AM (#19421950)
Also, you can install Android apps, so if you have a stylus enabled machine, you can use good note taking apps like onenote or squid. Linux sadly still lacks a good handwritten annotation/note taking app (to my knowledge).
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by bitwize on Monday March 18, 2019 @12:24PM (#19422478)
How much RAM is in that thing? 4 GiB? I hope you turned swap on...
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by beat on Monday March 18, 2019 @02:30PM (#19423705)
2gb, I think. Might be 4. It runs fine, though. A text editor, even with lots of features, is less load than a browser session for a complex website. Likewise, local node.js servers aren't very expensive.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by bitwize on Monday March 18, 2019 @03:33PM (#19424357)
Visual Studio Code is a browser session for a complex website. I've had the OOM killer kick in on moderate C compilation loads -- well below what I subject my Linux daily driver to. I've even seen OOM when running Emacs for a long enough time on Termux on my cellphone.

In general, any long-running environment that can generate a lot of garbage presents a risk of triggering the OOM killer, especially when you have to share your development environment with effectively a whole 'nother OS. Enabling swap helps mitigate that risk.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by joegahona on Monday March 18, 2019 @12:00PM (#19422213)
> I use the iPad Pro at my full-time job as a Software Engineer at Microsoft.

This surprises me. I'm not an engineer, but the main pain point for me with the iPad Pro is the crappy UX of Google Drive. Is there a huge difference between the Google suite and the MS suite on the iPad? I'm legit looking for a PC laptop right now because I need something to work on emails and Drive-type work, at the coffeeshop, and my MacBook Pro is not enjoyable to type on.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by graeme on Monday March 18, 2019 @07:43PM (#19426515)
Microsoft does a great job with its ios apps. Great ui, sync using other services like dropbox if you want, lots of updates, great apple pencil support, etc

Using office apps on ipad went a long way to turning around my opinion of microsoft.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by tracker1 on Monday March 18, 2019 @04:44PM (#19425084)
Could self-host code-server[1], or use their commercial version.

[1] https://github.com/codercom/code-server/

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by jordache on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:32AM (#19421320)
for a software develop what is the material difference between a pro and and air? the higher refresh rate of the pro?
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by tyleo on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:44AM (#19422032)
I got the Pro for two reasons: the screen-size (for use as a 2nd laptop monitor) and because the pencil was only supported by the Pro when I bought it.

I don't use the 2nd screen as much as I thought I would though and there is a good chance any of the other iPads (which are all smaller) would have been better for me. Hard to tell exactly what size has the max utility. Smaller isn't better necessarily because my iPhone can do pretty much all of the same stuff but is too small to be useful. A good heuristic might be "large enough that the keyboard is comfortable".

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by briandear on Monday March 18, 2019 @04:35PM (#19424993)
A12x vs A12. 120 refresh vs 60. Pencil gen 2 vs gen 1. More RAM in pro. Quad speakers in pro.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by jordache on Monday March 18, 2019 @09:12PM (#19427158)
that's just listing off the specs page... what do those thing provide to a developer who may not be maximizing the pros potential?
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by reacharavindh on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:33AM (#19421329)
I'm 33 years old, work in systems engineering. I use my tablet (ipad Pro 9") as an auxiliary device for pleasure and a little bit of work. It does the following, and does them well.

* Spotify player at home. Gets passed around to friends during a get together.

* Fancy annotator - I use the Apple Pencil to draw directly on pictures or even create from images scratch by sketching it out.

* Books - I have several epub purchases that live in Apple Books app. I can read those books on ipad while I'm on the go, or on Mac while at work.

* Netflix watcher while flights - I download some stuff before getting on a plane.

* Youtube by the kitchen - Great for watching cooking related videos while in kitchen.

* Look at photos directly on it, or cast the picture to Mac Mini(my HTPC).

* Notes - I use Apple Notes as my main note taking application on Mac. I rarely find need to handwrite something.. in English or in my native language. Quickly take the ipad out to do just that and continue seamlessly on my Mac.

I think the mileage of use of iPad depends on the user. I for one cannot stand development work, or even writing scripts on the thing. Yes, I have tried/played Pythonista and the bunch of apps in ios.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by alchemism on Monday March 18, 2019 @04:59PM (#19425230)
I am a ‘cloud’ engineer, and I find great use in pairing my iPad with an Apple Bluetooth keyboard, and then running shells in Terminus or Google Cloud Shell.

I wouldn’t code on it, but for running scripts and checking servers — I can travel without my laptop.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by fipar on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:50AM (#19421497)
I think you may be biased by your career. I work in IT too and I don't have a tablet either, but most people not in our field that I know rarely use a laptop (even less a desktop) anymore. Some don't even own one. They do all their computing on tablets and phones.

There's a lot of market for kids too. Our 4yo has an ipad mini and our 12yo has an ipad pro. By the way, the 12yo loves to draw and the ipad pro + apple pencil is the first digital system she actually enjoys. She has a laptop too which she uses when she has to use specific software for school or do intensive writing, but otherwise most of her computing happens on the ipad.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by rgallagher27 on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:25AM (#19421837)
Software dev here, use my new iPad Pro in work all the time.

I originally bought one for home use, so I would stop using my laptop to watch Netflix/YouTube/Prime and then get distracted by work (too easy to flick over to an IDE or GitHub when an idea would pop into my head when at home).

The iPad works really well for this but I now find myself using it in work too for almost the same reason. Rather than bringing my laptop to meetings and then getting distracted (same as watching Netflix at home) I now just bring the iPad to take notes or look up stats/analytics online(most of the platforms we use have pretty good iPad UI support).

It's been great at properly focusing on meetings, now if I have an idea on a problem I just write it in a note and get on with the meeting rather than finding myself jumping to VS code and trying to work.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by basch on Monday March 18, 2019 @12:08PM (#19422289)
Are you sure the most common computer isnt a business desktop? What percent of people with office jobs, who are not in IT, sit at a desk all day?

Personal computing is probably phone first, work computing I would guess is still desktop, followed by laptop.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by mttjj on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:17AM (#19421156)
I'm 28 (just outside your demographic) but I have an iPad Pro 12.9" as my main driver and a 27-inch iMac at home. I am a software engineer by trade but I don't have time to do that outside of work so that's not a concern. I carry the iPad with me throughout my house and use it for just about everything. I also take it with me to the high school classroom where I volunteer teach computer science. All of their assignments are online so it's super easy to access them via the iPad. Could I replace my iPad with a MacBook Pro? Sure. But the iPad is smaller, has touch, and does everything I need. Not sure if this was the answer you're looking for but I figured I'd chime in.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by uptown on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:27AM (#19421272)
OT but have you found a good case for that model?
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by mttjj on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:29AM (#19421293)
I bought the Apple Keyboard cover. Covers both front and back (and includes a keyboard obviously). I've never been a fan of cases or covers (my iPhone has been naked since I purchased it) so I'm probably not the most qualified person to ask about cases :).
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by drukenemo on Monday March 18, 2019 @12:46PM (#19422700)
My 12.9 is perfect for reading and annotating music sheets. Bought an used one mainly for that. The large screen size is close to a regular paper.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by graeme on Monday March 18, 2019 @07:54PM (#19426584)
I have a ztotop one for the new 12.9. Works well, a bit heavy, maybe 50% more than the official one. But an 8th of the price, and otherwise works beautifully.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by jen729w on Monday March 18, 2019 @03:08PM (#19424102)
I’m 42. My first computer was a ZX Spectrum+ back in the 80s.

I bought the first iPad the day it came out because I’m a(n Apple) nerd. I loved it, because it was amazing. Then for a while I fell out of love with it, because I wasn’t sure what it was for.

Now I work from home and this thing (10.5” Pro, previous model) is like my pet dog. It follows me everywhere. It plays music via AirPlay, it plays podcasts from its speakers while I’m in the shower, I text on it, answer calls, do most of my casual internet, do most of my casual notes (Bear, with the Smart Keyboard), calendar ... everything.

I sometimes look at this device and really think that in many ways, here we are. The future. I have this impossibly slim, sturdy, beautiful tablet, whose battery life is extraordinary, which does everything I could possibly want. It’s a little bit Star Trek.

Now, for proper work, the MacBook Pro on the desk upstairs plugged in to the 27” monitor is the way to go. But I type this to you from my kitchen bench as I make my girl her morning coffee, and that’s just fantastic.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by beat on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:40AM (#19421403)
Every house I know with children has an iPad, either shared among the kids or one per kid if they can afford it. My spouse lives in hers... she has a Mac, but rarely uses it.

I'm a power user. I have a battered 17" Macbook Pro that's nearly 9 years old now. I use it for programming, photo editing (mostly Lightroom), and audio recording/mixing (I've produced about ten albums on that Mac). But now it's time to retire it, and...

I'm very seriously considering switching to an iPad Pro for a primary platform. I recently tried Lightroom on my old iPad Air 2, and it's in some ways better than Lightroom on a Mac, thanks to the touchscreen. I'm going to do a recording project in Auria and see if I can get good results with my usual record mixing workflow, and see what I can do about a terminal window and editor for programming. But an iPad is a very appealing alternative to dropping $2500-3000 on another Macbook, when I don't know if Apple is serious about maintaining the product or not. If I can do all the things that I "need" a Macbook for on an iPad these days... well.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by matwood on Monday March 18, 2019 @02:30PM (#19423712)
I prefer sorting photos in LR on my iPad Pro 11" vs. my 2017 MBP. Editing is fine, but I have so much LR muscle memory for the keyboard shortcuts I feel like I'm moving too slow.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by landcoctos on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:17AM (#19421165)

  I'm 24 years old, work in software. Neither I nor any of my friends uses a tablet for work or pleasure.
We use Ipads for pleasure. It's more pleasant to browse the net on the couch than sitting at a computer.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by kalleboo on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:27AM (#19421279)
It's more pleasant to stand a laptop on my lap on the couch than to keep gripping a tablet. And almost all the tablet cases are terrible floppy messes (especially Apple's with their weak magnets and poor angle choices)

This is the main reason I don't "get" tablets. They're just more uncomfortable to use for me. You have to keep holding onto it and you get gorilla arm vs using a trackpad.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by scott_s on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:41AM (#19421411)
I can see that if you're constantly gripping the tablet. I sit with it similar to how I would with a book or a magazine; I'm not actively gripping it, and it allows more posture variations than a laptop for me.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by thrav on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:55AM (#19422159)
Therein lies the difference. If I’m on my ass, I’m horizontal. I only lay on the couch. Never sit.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by CloudNetworking on Monday March 18, 2019 @04:50PM (#19425137)
Keeping in mind that most people sit on their sofas I'd say there's market for tablets then :P
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by kbd on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:59AM (#19421579)
This is why Microsoft's Surface line is great. I have the Go and the stand is wonderful. Plus it transforms into a tiny laptop by snapping on the keyboard.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by cm2187 on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:21AM (#19421795)
The problem with the surface is that it is not good at "use it for 10mim, switch it off, and reuse it 30min later" kind of use case. It either goes to sleep then takes a while to wake up, or doesn't go to sleep and sucks the battery. It doesn't have the instantly on and available behavior that smartphones and non windows tablets have.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by kraftman on Monday March 18, 2019 @03:25PM (#19424281)
restore from soft shutdown is pretty quick, restore from sleep is very quick. The problem is that both still drain battery pretty quick.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by satysin on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:26AM (#19421851)
Agreed. I have tried using a tablet on the sofa but I just find it a poor experience. If I need to write something I either need a case with a shitty keyboard which basically makes it a crappy laptop in form factor or I have to lose half the content to the on-screen keyboard.

I currently use a MacBook (the 12" model) and it is close to perfect for casual sofa browsing. It has a decent enough keyboard, a perfect trackpad, good screen and while not a huge deal I still prefer macOS over iOS. Even when I use macOS in full screen model so it acts a lot like iOS I still find just having a mouse cursor much nicer to work with over a touch screen. I think this is mostly down to how awful the new oleophobic coating is on the new iPad's (Pro included). I can't stand seeing all those finger print smudges over the screen. Drives me up the wall!

I guess I am just too used to a laptop form factor and can't get past my own mental blocks?

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by asdff on Monday March 18, 2019 @03:04PM (#19424057)
Mental blocks aside there are still plenty of physical blocks with using a tablet. I can't imagine if iOS was my only OS, I'd feel pretty trapped and constrained compared to basically complete freedom on mac OS.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by mtone on Monday March 18, 2019 @01:49PM (#19423285)
I never hold the tablet - a Kindle is the upper limit of what I'm willing to hold.

At home my (coverless) iPad always sits on a 3rd party stand, so I simply put the stand on my lap. And maybe have a coffee in hand. And maybe a plate with a toast.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by qubex on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:38AM (#19421969)
I'm pushing 38 and an executive and iPads of various generations (which I have refreshed yearly) have been my main working/travelling machine right since the release of the very first versions. I still have a i7 MacBook, a specced-out quad-core 2012 MacMini (with dual CinemaDisplays) and a trashcan Mac Pro, but somehow the iPad (currently in it's 11” iPadPro incarnation) is always my favourite tool both because of its portability and because of its focus. You'd be amazed what I can do locally on this machine: construct, symbolically solve, and make predictions based thereupon mathematical models being one of the things that surprise people most. Writing and locally executing Python code. Storing versioned copies of business plans.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by occamschainsaw on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:47AM (#19422069)
Counter point: I am also 24 but in academia. A lot of people in our age group (and professors) use tablets (especially with styluses, iPad Pro and Surface). I guess it is field dependent. It is a blessing for managing stacks of research papers and taking notes. I got the new iPad Pro and installed some latex and jupyter apps, and with a decent terminal app, I can start working on my iPad. YMMV ofcourse.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by bookofjoe on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:00AM (#19421598)
I'm 70 and have an iPad Gen 3 (2012), an iPad mini Gen 2 (2013), and an iPad Pro (late 2018 Gen 3) + Apple Pencil Gen 2. I'm pretty sure if I were under 25 I'd be just as stoked about them — though prolly unable to afford them.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by Woofles on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:34AM (#19421930)
I'm 25 and work in software and I have found it to be a decent (not amazing, but solid) daily driver given you're willing to put up with some annoyances.

I use the app Termius to allow me to SSH into a VPS and my home server and do development. I don't really do web development in my free time so I don't have to worry about the pains of not having a js console. I also develop almost exclusively in vim, so paired with the magic keyboard it's basically a very lightweight laptop.

It's great for Lightroom, with a dongle (everyone's favorite thing) you can connect your camera and upload RAW photos, then edit them with Lightroom and upload to your favorite site.

It's wonderful for Plex/Netflix/Hulu. Offline viewing is amazing, battery life is better than my laptop by far so it lasts long spurts where I can't charge it.

For creatives, there are some amazing digital art apps. My friend hypes up Procreate every time we talk about iPads (he's also 25/software and loves his iPad Pro).

And lastly, it's about $1k cheaper than buying a MacBook Pro (which I had previously). I was able to trade in my 2013 MBP and old iPhone and made the final cost about $300, which is much more palatable than the extra $1k or so I'd need for a machine that doesn't really need that much computing power.

Disclaimer: I do use a MacBook Pro for work (running VMs, development in vim) and it's definitely easier (has JS console, can do development without internet, can use IDEs that don't exist on iPad).

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by danieldk on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:01AM (#19421602)
I'm wondering if the appeal of these begins when you get older?

I am 36, I had several iPads, but they always end up gathering dust in a closet. For work, I am several times more productive on a laptop, for occasional browsing, e-mail, etc. iPhones have become large enough. So, at some point I just sold my last iPad and never bought a new one.

My wife also has an iPad, but only uses it quite rarely. And when she does, she usually finds that she has to charge it ;).

Others have mentioned iPads as a kid's device. Our daughter (5) likes the iPad, and occasionally uses it to program her Micro:Bit. Other than that we've found that most iPad apps for kids aren't all that great, so we just prefer physical books, sketchbooks, paint, Lego, etc. She loves Lego and paper. She probably uses the iPad every month or so. She did get a Nintendo DS recently for playing games, though we do severely limit the amount of DS screen time though.

We are considering to buy her a NUC with Linux, just to tinker. My dad allowed me to poke his MS-DOS PC when I was about her age. I loved it and learned a lot. Since she likes her Micro:Bit a lot, I think she'd do well on some non-walled garden machine. No pressure though, we'll just put it there and see if she is interested or not.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by oarsinsync on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:24AM (#19421828)
I got a bonus roughly twice the cost of the iPad 2 64GB when it first came out, so I used half of it to buy it on a whim, no use case in mind at the time.

It's now my primary personal computing device. My day job has me in front of a desktop with keyboard all day. I have little to no desire to do things resembling work when I leave the office. My iPhone SE is too small to use for extended periods (but I won't get a bigger one as I want to be able to use it one-handed and hands wont oblige), so the iPad (now an iPad Pro) gets all my outside-the-office attention.

Reading, planning holidays & booking flights, budgeting, Netflix, whatever.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by gglitch on Monday March 18, 2019 @03:39PM (#19424413)
What do you use to budget?
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by scott_s on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:38AM (#19421384)
I'm 37. I use my iPad at home for when I want to watch videos or look something up on the internet, but I don't want to get out my work laptop. I try to limit my laptop usage at home to actual work (or things that are work-like, such as managing personal finances). So my iPad is for casual browsing and news reading. I also have an iPhone, and which one I reach for at home depends on my whim.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by Kurtz79 on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:43AM (#19421431)
I'm 40 and I have been using a tablet for maybe 6/7 years (iPad and Android, for my uses they are mostly interchangeable), after buying an iPad almost as afterthought and ignoring it for the best part of six months. Now I cannot imagine doing without.

For me it is mostly useless as a productive device (at best I use it to review some technical document on a plane or for minimal SSH work), but it's the best media consumption device I can imagine.

For web browsing and Netflix/Youtube/Twitch/Spotify client it has replaced my computer, and in many cases my TV.

Portability is the key, being able to carry it everywhere (bed, train, plane, kitchen, bathroom...) with minimal weight overhead, but still provide a decent screen real estate (unlike a phone) is priceless.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by yesimahuman on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:27AM (#19421275)
Have kids and you’ll suddenly understand what all the fuss is about. That said, if our kid had to pick between an iPad and an iPhone he tends to prefer the iPhone (we just don’t give him one!)

I personally have started using a surface for non-coding work and enjoy it for taking notes. It’s worth a try for that use case.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by BuckRogers on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:49AM (#19421489)
I have seen in-laws around your age using iPads extensively as their main device. I suspect if they were inputting more they'd get tired of not having a keyboard but it's mostly consumption, banking and such. I think a lot of people with an iPad and Apple Pencil would be very happy. It's just a different level of tech integration into their life than a videographer, writer, artist or developer.

I can fast forward you a bit over a decade. As a techie that is old enough to have grown with the industry from the very beginning, no tablets here except an older Nook. E-ink will remain the best for reading.

I do think there's benefit to the 2-in-1 form factor. Samsung is on the top the heap here. The 2019 Samsung 9 Pen[0] is the best of every world, it just hit the US market yesterday. The S Pen used in their 2-in-1 is as good as it gets today, being Wacom EMR based.

While I wouldn't bother with an iPad, I think there's a lot of value and use in this form factor for work. The Samsung Pen devices are the main thing that pulled me away from a Macbook.

[0]https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/windows-laptops/all-win...

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by pk2200 on Monday March 18, 2019 @12:34PM (#19422580)
One use case I haven't seen mentioned is note-taking. Apple Pencil is a truly amazing device. I use it at work all the time, especially in meetings. It's quieter than typing and because I don't have my laptop open, I'm much less likely to get distracted by slack, email, HN, etc. It's also slower typing, but that may be a good thing because it forces me to mentally organize/consolidate whatever I'm writing.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by irrational on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:39AM (#19421974)
They are great for playing digital board games: Carcassonne, Ticket to Ride, Agricola, Colt Express, Patchwork, Twilight Struggle, Pandemic, Splendor, Castles of Mad King Ludwig, etc.

Though there is also something to be said for the eye sight factor. I'm in my mid-40s and my focusing just doesn't work as well as it used to. Its becoming increasingly difficult to do a lot of reading on a small screen like my iphone 8+.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by asark on Monday March 18, 2019 @01:17PM (#19422978)
1) they're great for certain kinds of graphic art.

2) they're great for various sorts of low-end creative work, like making films (think: for kids or adults to learn the basics of shooting and editing on a single device capable of making something half-decent, not pro-level)

3) Good as a writing terminal, given an external keyboard. Better than a laptop in a lot of ways.

4) The 12.9" pro's the best device I've seen for reading comics, by far.

5) iPads are easily the best devices I've seen for reading PDFs (lots of non-fiction books and papers)

6) in a lot of important ways, they Just Work, unlike most other computing devices. More so than macOS machines, even, by a good margin.

7) it's where edutainment and casual science software's at now. Want software for some not-super-serious stargazing? You'll want an iPad. Edutainment programs for kids (like the Math Blasters and Number Munchers and Microsoft Dinosaurs! of yore) are mostly on iPads. Swift playground, for that matter.

8) can be positioned to take up a lot less space on a desk than a laptop while in use—nice when you need that desk space for other things, like books or notebooks.

9) portable second monitor for your macbook.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by vbezhenar on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:36AM (#19421944)
I bought iPad 3 in 2013 (I was 25). I liked it a lot and spent almost all entertainment time with it: web, movies, books, games. I even used it for work a little bit (to present design to customer). Unfortunately with iOS 7 release it turned to potato and I never used it since then, except for occasional PDF reading (I'm reading epub from phone, but for PDF big screen is a must). I waited for that announcement and I expected them to update cheap iPad. I would buy it. But I'm not sure about that iPad Air, it costs too much and I probably won't buy it.

Actually funny thing is, it's iPad that led me to Apple ecosystem. I liked iOS a lot and then my old phone broke, so I had to buy new. When I realized, that I can buy iPhone 4S and have the same iOS that I'm using on iPad, it was almost a non-brainer and later I bought Macbook, because it felt pretty natural to keep using Apple product and I wanted to develop iOS apps. I shifted from macOS recently (Apple does not make any computers I would like to buy), but I'm still using iOS on my phone and I like it.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by bashwizard on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:19AM (#19421768)
I'm 35 and this is what I use mine for:

- Blink Shell and Mosh to do light coding in vim, remote scanning etc on my desktop at home while I'm away from home

- Effects processor in my music production/dj setup

- Paint/sketch in procreate

- Reading books

- Watching movies/series while traveling

- Control my Sonos setup

- Browsing the web obviously

So to answer your question; no it doesn't. The iPad product line is probably not for people coding during the day and playing fortnite at night.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by blakesterz on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:27AM (#19421283)
I'm pretty much double 24... my usual work machine is a big Ubuntu box I built, with 2 big monitors. I'm stuck working on my MacBookAir for some time and it just sucks. Not because the MacBook sucks, but it just sucks working on a single small monitor, and the machine itself is slower at everything. Working on any laptop is just a big step down from a real machine for me. I can't even imagine working on an iPad, though for what I do (devops) it would be impossible (I assume)

I have no idea what the appeal is, there's none at all for me, but there must be a decent sized market out there. It's interesting to read the other comments and see what the appeal is for them

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by coldtea on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:31AM (#19421894)
>I have no idea what the appeal is, there's none at all for me, but there must be a decent sized market out there. It's interesting to read the other comments and see what the appeal is for them

Here's what the appeal is for me:

1) A device I can use at the bed/crapper comfortably -- to read, check email, browse, etc.

2) I'm a hobby artist (from the Amiga days) and I love the digital painting apps and Apple pencil.

3) It's my main reading device. I have tons of physical books (several thousands), but its now cheaper and more convenient to read PDFs, ePub, etc books. I use Apple's Books and the iOS Kindle app.

4) Photography. It's great for sharing with friends nearby, casual edits on the road, having your portfolio in an easy to show, glorious screen.

5) Music apps. If somebody does guitar, piano, or electronic music, there are tons of apps, from amp modellers to complete DAWs, and tons of "VSTs" (AUs in our case).

6) Great for note-taking, drawing diagrams and so on.

7) Handy to watch a video in something less to carry around than a laptop and bigger screen than a phone.

8) Not bad for games too if you're not an AAA gamer.

9) For writing articles, book, etc, it's also good -- non distracting, lots of great editors (even Scrivener), and so on.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by kalleboo on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:47AM (#19421464)
> It's interesting to read the other comments and see what the appeal is for them

Same here. I've owned iPads since the very first one for work (app dev), but the closest I've gotten to enjoying using them is watching movies on airplanes. I'm always interested in seeing what other people put them to use for.

My theory has been that iPads appeal to "full-screeners".

I've been a Mac user since 1990 and the Classic MacOS was optimized to "right-size" your windows to your content so you could have lots of windows next to each other for UI affordances like drag and drop. Classic versions of Photoshop had palette windows that hid in the background, even early OS X used "inspector" palettes heavily. Until very recently, MacOS didn't even have a full-screen control. So I've always filled my screens with windows of stuff I'm working on, stuff I'm monitoring, chats, etc. I guess I thrive on info-ADD? If I use an iPad I feel claustrophobic. Made 10x worse by the lack of multitasking (no persistent background network connections, apps continually killed for RAM usage).

In contrast, Windows started out as a full-screen, split-pane OS, and Windows apps have always relied on the "MDI" UI with a containing window, optimally used at full-screen. So most users grew up with that. I see people buy those super-wide LG displays and then full-screen a Chrome browser and complain that their lines of text aren't 2 meters wide.

And kids these days grow up with full-screen mobile UIs.

So if you grew up with everything being full screen, an iPad feel familiar and useful. If you're used to being able to monitor a bunch of windows at once, the iPad will feel like a toy.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by swozey on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:34AM (#19421342)
I can't work on a laptop at all. My work machine is a MBP i7 w/ 32gb ram. I plug it into a thunderbolt dock tied to 2 28" ultrawides that is also chained to my desktop (8 core, 32gb ryzen box) and I just flip over to the MBP when I need to work.

Docks are obscenely expensive but the quality of life improvement is high. You're unfortunately very limited with the MBA, though. Perhaps see if you can replace it with a MBP?

I DO like having my "work" machine be a powerful laptop in the event that I need to travel or some emergency arises where I HAVE to find a coffee shop and write a PR without monitors, as much as I won't enjoy the experience.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by BuckRogers on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:10AM (#19421691)
Both you and blakesterz sound like me. Like blakesterz I have a high end desktop with lowend laptop. I would have bought the new Macbook Air but wanted a 2-in-1 and went with a Samsung because of the quality of the S Pen being unmatched. I've loved it and upgrading to the 2019 Samsung 9 Pen very soon. With the 13.3" it's just really handy to take notes or use it as a tablet if it's more comfortable. My 2nd choice was definitely the MBA. Are you suggesting that there are limitations with a dock on a MBA vs MBP (outside of just performance)? I'm unaware of any issues there but would be interested to know.

My desktop is a Ryzen 2700X with 32GB of RAM. I really would like to pickup a TB3 dock at a point but am currently using RDP to my work laptop. Which works well enough over the local network.

What I wanted to respond to was your point about having your work machine be a powerful laptop so that you're prepared. I've been mulling over ditching the desktop for a Thinkpad X1 Extreme for the same reason. While I could remote into my desktop in a rare coffee shop scenario, it wouldn't work out if it were happening often.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by swozey on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @07:33PM (#19448037)
My hesitation about the MBA was I believe it's limited on how many monitors you can run but tbh I haven't looked at them in a few years. I deal with a lot of container work so I need 32gb ram so it's not really an option. Also I think throwing a dock in the mix gets around that problem anyway since the expensive ($200+) docks I'm talking about typically handle video on their own somehow.

So, basically I'm spitballing and have no real answers to your questions, sorry. Just wanted to reply and tell you I'm probably wrong about there being MBA + dock issues.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by BuckRogers on Thursday March 21, 2019 @01:25AM (#19449446)
Thank you. I was wondering because I had a 2016 MBP and it did not play well with docks at all back then. On any level, due to 'Apple', not just with the monitors. I want to believe they've sorted out most issues now but have been wondering. I did find IGPs struggle with configuration like my triple monitor setup. I definitely wouldn't buy a MBA to dock it as a main machine. Maybe keep a dock there for lightweight tasks that benefit from the extra real estate.

I used a Dell dock for years alongside my desktop, using 2 monitors to my laptop and 1 for my desktop. I'd like to get a TB3 dock and do that just as you are. And while unlikely at this point, given how much I like my Samsung, I may eventually have a Macbook Air. Which is not the best device but definitely a top tier throwaway easy-chair machine if not a little limited for the money, not having a 360 degree hinge.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by swozey on Thursday March 21, 2019 @10:11AM (#19452520)
I was excited to buy a nearly fully loaded mac mini a few weeks ago and an e-gpu so that I could get rid of my "gaming (honestly mostly youtube)" desktop and just dual boot windows when needed. I figured it'd be the perfect middle ground where if I wanted to game (2-3 times a month) I'd just boot to Windows. (I've quit hackintoshing after a decade, they're just a pain to keep functioning reliably).

Unfortunately there's tons of issues with egpus in Bootcamp installed Windows. I didn't realize it'd be so drastically different from a vanilla install.

I loved my old Samsung S9 laptop. That thing cost a small fortune but it was so powerful for its size.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by coldtea on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:53AM (#19421526)
>Not because the MacBook sucks, but it just sucks working on a single small monitor

Not that this is totally up to taste. Some people love working on a single smaller monitor, with only a full screen editor or some terminals. More focus.

(I used to love it too, but I can't stand the modern MBPr keyboards, so I connect it to an external keyboard and monitor now. Note that I love the external "Magic keyboard 2", it's just the built-in laptop keyboard "butterfly" that I find crap).

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by mturmon on Monday March 18, 2019 @01:10PM (#19422908)
> ...any laptop is just a big step down from a real machine...

A friend (age ~30) works on very large-scale climate model comparisons. He directs his model runs (done on a remote supercomputer, which is his version of a "real machine") from his 13" Air. I work with smaller datasets, and it's kind of amazing what power he can command from that little thing.

He uses a dock to make visualizations on a larger monitor when at his desk.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by stwyde on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:18AM (#19421169)
My girlfriend uses her two ipads (mini I got her a few years ago and a pro 12.9 I got her more recently) mostly for reading books. The libraries she has memberships with offer online book borrowing, so she'll open up the app and just start reading things on her book list.

Otherwise most of her consumption is either watching videos on a larger screen that's easier to carry than a laptop, or drawing on the pro which is honestly pretty fun to do.

I've been meaning to pick up an ipad or a surface in the next year or so just for doodling / mock up functionality as well. reading ebooks on a tablet or leaving documentation open on them while working on a laptop is honestly kinda nice.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by PorterDuff on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:51AM (#19421508)
Useless old man here.

I keep wondering when Apple is going to simply drop their traditional laptop and desktop business in favor of things like this. It's not a great leap of imagination to think of a desktop version of an iPad ala a Chromeboxesque approach.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by rchaud on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:12AM (#19421707)
With the 12-inch Macbook and 13" Macbook Air already clogging up the portfolio, I can see them dropping the MBP 13 and keeping just a single large MBP 15 model for the professional market.

iOS is nowhere near good enough for Apple to consider scaling back their x86 line too much further. Hardware wise the iPad Pro is really nice, but it doesn't even have mouse support! Android has had that since 2011 at least, but it doesn't have the same ecosystem of good quality work apps.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by jki275 on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:29AM (#19421874)
iOS doesn't have mouse support because Apple doesn't want it to, not because it's "not good enough".
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by snazz on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:59AM (#19421577)
It does make them a lot more money, even though a significant amount of their most enthusiastic (and evangelical) userbase is the “pro” market.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by askafriend on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:32AM (#19421909)
Talk to a designer of any kind. They’re hooked on iPad.

All the designers at our company have personal iPads that they use for various things including illustration, taking notes, sketching concepts, wire framing, etc.

I’m not a designer but I’m a hobbyist photographer and I love using my iPad for editing photos in Lightroom, reading, consuming media, etc. I can’t wait until Adobe fills out their creative suite on iPad. They announced that a fully featured Photoshop will come to iPad in 2019 - we’ll see.

I wrote this comment on an iPad, in fact. I do use the keyboard cover though so don’t get the impression that I wrote this on the on-screen software keyboard. That’d be tough.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by halbritt on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:19AM (#19421778)
I primarily read books through Kindle and O'Reilly (Safari Books Online). I went through a couple different kindle devices. E-Paper type devices are good for prose, but not really that great for any books with graphical content and don't work at all with web content.

I tried using a Kindle Fire, but the pixel density on all those devices is terrible. I had an older Fire HD for a moment which was decent at 254ppi, but it bricked itself during an upgrade. Amazon offered me a discount on a "newer" unit with 189ppi. I gave up and got an iPad mini with a 326ppi display.

I mostly use it for reading books on public transportation.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by wenc on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:03AM (#19421618)
I'm a bit older than you, work in software dev and data science, main platform Linux. I'm the sort of person who has a few command-line windows and vim open, and am a keyboard fiend.

Yet...

I use my iPad a ton at home and when I travel (I travel a lot). I don't even own a personal laptop anymore -- I work on desktops with 3 monitors and at home.

I used to think that the iPad being purely a consumption device was too limiting, until I got an iPad Air 2 that was on sale at the time. It does everything I need just fine, plus it's lightweight enough to travel with.

(caveat: I don't do any dev work when I'm on the road)

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by Shivetya on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:38AM (#19421967)
I gave one to my mother and father to use to manage their email and surfing the web while at home and RV traveling; many parks of wi-fi and there is always McD. They are just the right size to easily portable and big enough with pinch/zoom to make easy reading for even poor eyes.

the logic was it kept them from being stuck in the room with their computers. even laptops seem to find permanent homes but not a tablet. my father even figured out to use his cell phone as a wi-fi hotspot.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by jxdxbx on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:23AM (#19421821)
I stopped using a laptop a while ago. For me, when I need to do complicated work I sit down at a desk with my 30” monitor and clacky keyboard. But on the go and for day-to-day tasks all I need is my 12.9” iPad Pro which, as a bonus, is s much better entertainment machine (reading comics and magazines, video, games) than my laptop ever was. I’m a lawyer fyi, so no I'm not writing apps on the thing or doing fancy multimedia workflows.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by cm2187 on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:56AM (#19421552)
Ain't under 25, but I was skeptical about tablets until I found two critical use cases. 1) browsing the web from my bathtub 2) watching movies in long trips.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by kingosticks on Monday March 18, 2019 @03:35PM (#19424385)
Honest question: are they waterproof these days? I used to have a waterproof "case" (a glorified plastic bag) for my kindle for the tub but that only worked because it had buttons. How can you use a touchscreen it with wet hands? And what if you drop it, that's $400 down the plug hole.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by cm2187 on Monday March 18, 2019 @03:59PM (#19424610)
I have done that for years and never dropped an ipad. But there is a secret: pick a hard ipad cover that only folds at the edge of the ipad, like a book. Then you can stick your finger between the cover and the ipad and hold it like that:

https://imgur.com/n22Ce1p

https://imgur.com/De9VBCx

This way, you can hold it with one hand, you don't need to apply pressure to hold the ipad, it is not tiring on your hands, and it is extremely stable. The cover I use I believe is this one:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Invision-Superior-Features-Magnetic...

Otherwise the ipad is splash proof, but I wouldn't bet on it being waterproof. And wet hands aren't too much of a problem from a touch point of view, but they leave drops that obstruct the display so you kind of want to have a towel around somewhere.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by kingosticks on Monday March 18, 2019 @04:31PM (#19424949)
Ah OK makes sense. Thanks for that tip, much appreciated. I guess I never actually dropped the kindle either, although it did mysteriously stop working.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by cafebeen on Monday March 18, 2019 @04:55PM (#19425185)
Perhaps a person's interests, income, or lifestyle are salient variables as well? I would guess that each person's circle of friends has some of these in common in addition to age (likely true for HN discussions as well). For a less biased picture, here are some statistics about tablet use by age:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/805143/us-tablete-users-...

and for a baseline, iPhone use by age:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/203063/iphone-users-in-t...

It's striking how uniform the distribution of tablet use was across age! There was a bump after age 25, though that was mirrored in the iPhone usage. This is really salient at the low and high end: age 0-18 was 20% of tablet usage and only 6% of iPhone usage, and age 55+ was 20% of tablet usage and only 14% of iPhone usage. Given all of this, it seems like tablets are quite broadly adopted devices

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by Bokanovsky on Monday March 18, 2019 @04:19PM (#19424798)
Tablets are useful for commuters. If you're on a train you can read ebooks. Comics publishers now have tons of stuff you can read too. You can also watch Netflix and similar services that let you download content. This takes the edge off repetitive train journeys.

At work I've seen business analysts use it as a light weight laptop replacement to take notes (with the addition of the keyboard) and with the Apple Pencil to draw basic diagrams while on the go.

Photographers also use them to show off portfolios and do image editing editing on the go. You can get Lightroom and Photoshop for the iPad and other software vendors offer competing products to edit images on the go.

Also don't forget kids. For long car journeys, a tablet loaded up with a mix of shows and appropriate (often educational) apps can help them stop asking the dreaded "Are we nearly there yet?!"

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by rorykoehler on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:15AM (#19421142)
I have an ipad Pro which I use for work (diagrams, mind mapping, documentation, Skype calls, jira notifications etc) and fun (YouTube, games, audio books). I could definitely live without it but it makes the above mentioned activities much easier and enjoyable... I'm mid 30s
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by bas_ta on Tuesday March 19, 2019 @03:54AM (#19428881)
I'm 27, a software engineer and I've only recently bought an iPad with Apple pencil support because I wanted to try out Procreate in my spare time. I use my iPad for:

- drawing and lettering in Procreate (this is what I do most of the time, I've been practicing lettering on paper before and this is just so much more convenient)

- writing notes in Notes app (that way I can see them on my iPhone) or OneNote

- browsing Pinterest (the app works better than the web app I use on Safari in macOS)

- YouTube (much more convenient to carry around home than my MacBook Pro)

I don't use iPad for messaging, because I mostly use my iPhone and MacBook for that. I decided I don't need a keyboard for the iPad ATM, but maybe that'll change in the future.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by rongenre on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:18AM (#19421171)
Watching downloaded video on an iPad has made cross-country plane trips nearly tolerable.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by subhro on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:39AM (#19421973)
The iPad mini is extremely popular among pilots. The iPad Pro is too big for the general aviation (and even commercial aviation) in my opinion, and iPad non pros so far does not have enough oomph to run ForeFlight.

Source: I am a pilot.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by kevinherron on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:32AM (#19421318)
I'm 34 years old.

I have one of the new 11" iPad Pro's that I use as a consumption device and it also replaced the Moleskine I kept in my laptop bag for notes/diagrams/whatever.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by graeme on Monday March 18, 2019 @08:24PM (#19426809)
I use an imac for stationary work, and an ipad pro for everything else. I have nomuse for a laptop while travelling now.

It helps that I have to make educational videos, so I have a clear use case for the pro with the pencil. Can plug a focusrite audiobox in too, and power it from the usb c port.

Originally got an ipad as I used it for online tutoring with a whiteboard and a stylus, pre-pencil days.

Oddly enough I do a lot of email and text work on my imac. The ipad pros browser has a lot of subtle limitations compared to the desktop version.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by KennyCason on Monday March 18, 2019 @03:07PM (#19424086)
I’m in my early 30s and bought an iPad last year to give digital art a try. I ended up falling in love with it and regularly use it to draw. I also now draw all my graphics for my indie game development with it. I primarily use Pixaki and Procreate. It certainly beats using a mouse to draw or even any other drawing pad I’ve used previously. It’s also, imo, a far smoother/natural experience than a Wacom.

I was then very surprised by the long battery life and now also use it to watch Netflix.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by eeeeeeeeeeeee on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:36AM (#19421952)
I think you’re right. I have one but never use it. My dad, however, in his 70s, loves his. He still has a laptop but rarely ever uses it now. The iPad is basically his computer.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by mixmastamyk on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:57AM (#19422175)
Movies and TV. Cut the cable bill a decade ago. Got rid of the giant, heavy, expensive, fear-mongering TV. Now watch a small screen with a mount that is much closer.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by hellofunk on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:26AM (#19421846)
What do you use to read books on? For me, the iPad, for either Kindle books or general PDFs, was a game-changer for me.

I also use it for watching lots of movies or TV shows.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by imandride on Monday March 18, 2019 @02:26PM (#19423674)
I'm 26 and since I purchased a Surface Book, my iPad has been gathering dust. The convenience of having both available in one package has been great.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by alekq on Monday March 18, 2019 @03:40PM (#19424420)
It is probably more connected to career choice and technical background of the person, then the age.

I am pretty sure that most of people can use it as domestic media consumption device (it really is perfect use case), however when it comes to work, people I meet in my business use it for it’s compact size and battery life (great for travels and portability in general), as well presentation-wise possibilities.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by xhruso00 on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:04AM (#19421627)
iPad is a perfect device for my mum who doesn't know how to use computer. I would never buy any other device because of UI/UX. She uses it for browsing so there is no real need to upgrade as I keep her on old iOS due to familiarity and battery life (those who upgrade know the battery life is best when iOS isn't updated)
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by kakaorka on Monday March 18, 2019 @09:01PM (#19427085)
I agree with you that upgrading usually means worse battery life, but iOS 12 was an exception to this I believe.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by 0815test on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:23AM (#19421231)
The iPad itself is just too limited to be usable, in my experience. But the tablet form factor can work reasonably well for not-too-intensive activity (i.e. it's no good if you'll be doing a lot of data/text/code entry, of course), and the mainstream Linux desktop is starting to support it quite nicely.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by navigatesol on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:25AM (#19421252)
>Neither I nor any of my friends uses a tablet for work or pleasure.

I use one, but only because it's a convenient media consumption device (e-reading, web browsing). It's entirely superlative to a phone + laptop though.

Remember when the tech prognosticators (some on this very site!) told us tablets were going to replace everything?

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by Grustaf on Monday March 18, 2019 @04:40PM (#19425043)
I live in Denmark and am above 40. i don’t think I’ve met anyone here with children that doesn’t have one or more ipads. I also don’t think ipad less developers are very common at any age. At my former company even our android developer had one. Of course Scanidnavia is iOS country, almost eveyone has an iPhone.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by mercer on Monday March 18, 2019 @12:00PM (#19422226)
I used my iPad Mini quite a lot for browsing and reading, but since I got a dedicated eReader it's mostly been collecting dust.

I think if I had a bigger iPad it might find some use, but I can't really justify the cost for the minimal benefit over simply using my laptop instead (even as someone with a decent income).

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by balls187 on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:58AM (#19421570)
Do you own a tablet?

I didn't really see the need for one, until I bought one on a whim.

It's my main multimedia consumption device.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by wingerlang on Tuesday March 19, 2019 @12:34PM (#19432438)
I've used an iPad since 2012 give or take, when I was under 25. I don't see what it has to do with age, for me it is a use case.

When I move from my laptop to either toilet, cooking or the bed I simply bring it with me to consume some youtube. It's bigger than a phone, but more mobile than a laptop.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by noir_lord on Monday March 18, 2019 @02:58PM (#19423996)
I have the current iPad and an iPad Mini.

I use the mini far more, I like the bigger iPad but the mini is the perfect form factor for watching TV in bed and reading PDF's.

Will definitely be picking up the new Mini and the old one which is in perfect condition will go to the boy.

He loves his (1st gen) iPad but it's finally on the way out.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by e40 on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:54AM (#19421543)
My stepmother uses one to browse Facebook. It's the only time I've ever seen an adult use one.

The other case I've seen, and a lot: children. Parents seem to give them to their kids to mollify them. (I had this choice and did not give into the temptation.)

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by Jtsummers on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:09AM (#19421675)
Reading, they're great for reading. If you read technical content, especially, where Kindles and other e-readers are either too small or don't provide the color you'd want for seeing some diagrams and other content.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by rosege on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:59AM (#19421583)
I think you might be right - I know quite a few people in their 70s who love the mini. They were quite upset 6 months ago when I was telling them it looked like it was going to be discontinued. I guess all those predictions of its death were wrong!
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by skrowl on Monday March 18, 2019 @04:51PM (#19425143)
I think most people progress past tablets to things like Surface Pros and Chromebooks naturally. The tablet market is dying because it's just not useful in a world where Chromebooks & Surface form factor PCs can run Android apps.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by graeme on Monday March 18, 2019 @08:12PM (#19426714)
Apple sells mpre ipads annually than surface pros and chromebooka put together.

About 43 million ipads in 2018: https://www.lifewire.com/how-many-ipads-sold-1994296

Chromebook is estimated to be under 11 million: https://www.computerworld.com/article/2476098/huge-chromeboo...

I couldn’t find 2018 unit estimates for the surfsce, but in 2017 the estimate was about 3 million: https://www.pcworld.com/article/3254235/microsofts-surface-p...

Surface revenue in 2018 was about 5 billion. Apple’s ipad revenue was a bit under 20 billion. And these surface numbers are for everything in the surface line, not just pros.

A more likely explanation for lower ipad sales is that they last a long time. My ipad air 2 from 2014 still runs beautifully and gets security and software updates. But in any case ipad sales dwarf the surface and and chromebook sales combined.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by Havoc on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:52AM (#19421515)
They’re great for travel. That’s about it. The rest of the time I’d rather use a laptop
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by Jtsummers on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:01AM (#19421603)
It's also good for reading. I'd rather have my iPad than my laptop when I'm reading books and taking notes (some notes, if I were in school I'd still want my laptop for that tempo of note taking). I use it a lot at home and the only media that I play is music (with headphones) and then read a lot of books and such with it. Scrivener is pretty good on it for writing, but I don't have a keyboard for it anymore (my wireless keyboard got damaged in a move somehow, still not sure what happened). It's also nicer for tossing in my shoulder bag with a physical book and notebook than dragging around a laptop.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by intellent on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:25AM (#19421251)
Do you have a large smart phone?

I like small phones. So I own a tablet for all the personal stuff at home. I use my PC for work, my Phone for messaging and travel and my tablet for everything else. It’s really the most comfortable way of consuming.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by sct202 on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:42AM (#19421415)
My iPad is mostly used as a remote for my Chromecast. Sometimes I'll take it traveling and load it with videos, but I haven't done that as much now that you have to take them out of your bag during the security check.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by agrippanux on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:06AM (#19421648)
Off-topic, but look into getting TSA PreCheck. You don't have to take devices out at airports (among other nice things like shorter lines, etc). It definitely helps a lot, especially when you have kids with devices.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by kristianc on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:25AM (#19421835)
You probably overstated your case by saying that only people over 50 are interested in them (though my parents have one each), but the number of people in their 30s saying they have one on this thread is interesting for sure.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by fwip on Monday March 18, 2019 @03:44PM (#19424449)
If you use your phone a lot at home, you'll probably appreciate using a tablet instead.

If you use your laptop a lot at home but don't really need to type that much, you'll probably appreciate a tablet.

Otherwise, it's probably not for you.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by i_am_proteus on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:16AM (#19421154)
They seem to be popular with wealthy university students for taking notes in class.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by intrasight on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:38AM (#19421378)
I've an 8in Fire HD with just three apps that I use: Chrome, VLC, and DS File. <$100. My friend has 10in and uses for same - videos.

Super light-weight. Price of a trip to grocery store. Why wouldn't you have a tablet on hand?

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by armandososa on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:27AM (#19421855)
I had iPads 1 trough 3, and they were awesome comic-reading devices. Then amazon bought Comixology and buying comics became too much of a hassle and I stop using my iPad altogether.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by chrisseaton on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:20AM (#19421197)
Do you do any reading? I use my tablets most of all to read papers.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by currymj on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:17AM (#19421167)
they’re reasonably common in universities nowadays for handwritten note taking. i’d expect to see at least one person other than me who has one in any reasonably sized class.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by TulliusCicero on Monday March 18, 2019 @01:34PM (#19423133)
They're great as a digital babysitter. Sometimes you just need your kid to sit quietly, and they're a total lifesaver for something like long flights.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by steven2012 on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:23AM (#19421232)
My kid is 6 years old and all he uses is an iPad. I think the next generation will be using iPads and tablets and think using laptops are for old people.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by navigatesol on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:26AM (#19421261)
>I think the next generation will be using iPads and tablets and think using laptops are for old people.

I bet they'll replace that tablet with a phone, and continue to use a laptop/desktop for "real work".

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by bookofjoe on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:09AM (#19421679)
"What's a computer?"—classic iPad commercial
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by jdlyga on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:52AM (#19422130)
I have an iPad for reading. It works better with PDFs than Kindles since it's larger, and the pencil is great for highlighting and taking notes.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by baby on Monday March 18, 2019 @09:23PM (#19427220)
I use the iPad pro to read whitepapers (because it's bad for multi-tasking, I can focus on reading) and draw (the pen is freaking amazing).
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by albertshin on Monday March 18, 2019 @07:02PM (#19426240)
The number of students that simply download slides and take notes directly on their iPads with their Apple Pencils is astonishing these days...
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by taytus on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:43AM (#19421428)
I'm 39. Started using Ipad since 2011. I use it for pleasure, cooking recipes, youtube videos, twitter, and games.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by JustSomeNobody on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:20AM (#19421188)
I'm older (by nearly double), and I see releases like this and I think, hmmm... do I need a tablet. I could... nope, nothing[0]. I can think of a single use case where I need a tablet. For any other use case, I either have laptop, phone, or even just a sheet of paper.

[0] Ok, there's one use. Media consumption, but a $35 kindle tablet takes care of that for the rare (ie: airplane) times I want media on the go.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by abrowne on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:19AM (#19421180)
I agree, but only because of the names: they all use the "iPad nano", i.e. iPhone.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by kkarakk on Monday March 18, 2019 @10:16AM (#19421149)
nothing beats an ipad for media consumption - best combination of grippability,speakers and screen bar none. literally no one else is close in the market.

i stopped using anything but an ipad for media consumption/talking to family after i bought one

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by asdff on Monday March 18, 2019 @03:11PM (#19424127)
How is a laptop any worse? You gotta hold the tablet upright or prop it up with a flimsy case-stand whereas the laptop just sits upright and has all the features and more, unless you like to jab at the screen with your greasy thumb. Back in the day when laptops were 7lbs and lasted 2hr on charge with a sub 1080p screen and worse speakers than your phone, I could see it, but macbooks are 2lbs now and last 10hrs. No streaming service is going to give you video that's not compressed, wiping the benefits of that fancy screen, and apple wants the soul of your first born if you want enough local storage to store large video files.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by anisppp on Monday March 18, 2019 @12:53PM (#19422756)
If you were in the healthcare industry your experience would be different
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by baq on Monday March 18, 2019 @03:22PM (#19424250)
have kids, with some kid-proof rubber armor that doubles as a stand it's the single best portable video player in existence.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by anth_anm on Monday March 18, 2019 @04:08PM (#19424690)
I'm 30 but I only use mine to read comics.

Doesnt' help that I stupidly bought the 16GB version, crippling it.

Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by fxfan on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:21AM (#19421798)
I will be downvoted to hell but I'll say this- tablets for fun were a fad that most people don't repeat twice (except the tech crazy/HN type crowd). Some people still use tablets for work (something the iLine of devices is horribly deficient at) and surface works well- I think you can install linux too.
Re:New iPad Air and iPad Mini by halbritt on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:23AM (#19421818)
I think they have enough use cases that they'll continue to sell, but I think the market is pretty much saturated at this point.