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>It is great news for Berlin (and Brandenburg) as it will bring (big) money and attract talent.

Like the Gigafactory 2 in Buffalo did for New York state?:

But according to SolarCity’s financial statements, state officials “quietly issued a series of 10 amendments” to Tesla, allowing the high-tech jobs to become regular positions and requiring just 500 hires within two years -- down from 900. Tesla told Vanity Fair it was still responsible for creating 5,000 jobs, but the timing for the additional jobs has been extended to 10 years after the factory’s completion.

SolarCity was the center of the Buffalo Billion corruption probe by federal prosecutors, which last year led to high-profile bribery convictions of several people, including Louis Ciminelli, whose firm won the solar plant construction deal.

https://www.syracuse.com/state/2019/08/elon-musk-is-full-of-...

Last week, the government of New york wrote down the value of Gigafactory 2 in Buffalo, which has been mired in scandal:

https://www.syracuse.com/state/2019/08/elon-musk-is-full-of-...

Yesterday USA Today published an article about the disaster the Nevada factory has been for the State, and HN didn't care:

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/investigations/2019/1...

Today, Elon mentions a new factory one day will be built in Germany, and HN loves it. This company is bullet proof.

>Last quarter, they made as many M3s they have the capacity to make, and sold all of them.

We were told, repeatedly, that Tesla would be producing 10,000 Model 3s per week in 2019, with a single factory. Suddenly, now, they don't have the capacity at ~6,000 per week and need multiple factories on zero year-over-year growth?

>The OP doesn't even mention any standard at all.

My standard is "don't take money from and ask for the forgiveness of murderers", while at the same time whining about Project Maven, or those providing services to ICE, or facial recognition...

It's appalling that this is even up for debate. Saudi money is blood money in the worst case, oil money in the best. Whatever keeps you in your Tesla though, right?

>The OP is just attempting bothsiderism

More made up words to prevent people from being called out on glaring hypocrisy.

Of course you don't see it; you never see it. But the rest of us do, believe it.

>why the losing party does not have to pay legal fees?

Google harms me in some way. I sue them. They throw an army of lawyers at the case. It takes years. Google wins, case dismissed. I should be on the hook for their legal fees?

Believe it or not, the last thing we want is to discourage people from thinking they have the ability to sue people who harm them. And suing for legal fees is also common practice.

Patent trolls are a problem with the law, not the legal system. They are also entitled to sue people violating their patents.

>I struggle to see the relation to the Trump administration here

SV CEOs and "personalities" refuse to sit on panels or visit the White House because they hate Trump and his administration. But they'll take money from Saudi Arabia. It's very hard to understand.

>Khosrowshahi’s call for forgiveness of the Saudis

The Saudis planned and carried out the brutal murder of minor dissident on foreign soil. Forgiveness? This is embarrassing. Where are the SV overlords, calling this out?

>the EU as a whole has at least as diverse climates as the US

It's laughable to talk about "the EU" as if it's in any way homogeneous. It's an economic union, not a country. We are talking about France and Germany, which are tiny and far less diverse in their climate than the US.

>I'm not even sure what to respond to the "needs" part

Perhaps you're unaware that there are places in the US that have frigid winters, and others that have debilitating summer heat. But please, tell us about how you don't need air conditioning in France. That fact is relevant to those in Arizona.

>Let's track back a bit and find out what exactly your argument against high quality German windows is.

My argument here is that it's ridiculous to think that we don't have or use "high quality windows" in North America because you once had friends over to your home that were impressed.

Silicon Valley is in bed with the Saudis, no surprise here. Meanwhile, the shrieks coming from California about Trump are deafening.

>A lot of the issues may come down to whether management prioritize financial engineering / making huge bonuses / pleasing wall street vs making good vehicles. The same with Boeing..

It's a funny thing to me that no one ever points this out in advance. Where were the articles about Boeing's move from an engineering culture to a financial one? Instead, we wait for the natural cycle of a business to arrive, then make up some answer, like "financialization" to explain it.

How come a hacker site doesn't acknowledge how difficult it is to "stay on top" as a business?

>You see the effect a bit with Tesla where I'm sure Musk would love to focus on quality but has to rush things out to make decent quarterly numbers or risk going bust by not getting ongoing financing

Again, more post hoc reasoning.

Elon Musk negotiated the biggest corporate pay package in history, but he didn't tie it to product quality, did he? Maybe that's why he focuses so much on share price and market cap and quarterly numbers? Nah, couldn't be...

>In Europe things are more regulated

Meanwhile, they are rioting over gas taxes and speed limit changes.

>I find it amusing that from a climate change point of view, both their comments are basically negative:

It's almost like countries like Germany (350k sq km area) and the US (10 million sq km) have different climates and needs. This thread is filled with Europeans saying, "I went to the US once, and their grocery store didn't have produce like my French neighborhood market!"

>I was comparing supermarket breads in Europe and the US

Every major supermarket I've ever been to in the US and Canada has a million styles of bread, including many freshly baked right there at the store.

>but ultimately we're talking about a lower quality product at a higher price

Do you have evidence for lower quality, outside of the roundly debunked "shelf life" argument? Or are these your preferences?

>I'm originally from Canada, and I'm sad to say that, although some things are better than the USA (like the roads and the trash), it's not by much, and it's still terrible compared to the rest of the first world.

If you're from Canada you probably realize that it's a big place, and impossible to draw sweeping generalizations about. Saying Canadian infrastructure is terrible "compared to the rest of the world" is an ignorant statement.

I recall everyone saying Tesla "FSD" was awesome and industry leading, I see them saying that today, and I expect they'll be telling their grandchildren the same while being driven around in a Waymo.

In all seriousness, I like Karpathy and his work. Seems like a good guy. Not sure why you'd want to work to enrich a guy like Elon Musk though.

My favourite is when someone points out had bad these companies are, inevitably someone else links "the Dropbox thread" as justification. This is tremendously ironic, because Dropbox hasn't made a dime yet either.

Traffic cones today,1 million self driving robo taxis in 6 months, right?

Ah yes,the story of Tesla: everything yesterday was crap,but everything tomorrow will be awesome.

Home ownership rates for the under 35s are down, but not substantially. They are also increasing.

Putting $4T "into the stock market" as if it's vaporized is simply nonsense.

Anything to prevent us from feeling sorry for white men, am I right?

The powers that be love us fighting among our races because it prevents the poor from revolting against the rich.

You are crushing this thread with sensibility. Thanks.

This is Monday morning quarter backing. Everyone knows We is/was worthless. But Uber,AirBnB,Slack, Tesla, Beyond Meat..all's well.

So poorer countries are going to skip a vital step in their development process and start producing "green tech" and "fast trains", easy as that? Doubt it.

In what sense are the IPCC conservative? They've overestimated temperature changes since their first analysis in 1990.

Maybe calling institutions "conservative" because they are the lowest of the over estimators is part of the problem here?

>The town I'm in only has a population of 120k so I don't expect to be able to find niche items

This caught my eye: is 120,000 people considered a small market?

I grew up in a town of 5,000, work in a small city of 50,000 (which has plenty of amenities, including multiple independent outdoor sports stores) and now live in a village of 200 people.

So cheap oil and expensive are both bad, but "just right" oil is fine?

I'd love for some of these people to go to these countries and tell these people to do without electricity and fuel for their transportation and generators.

>but Musk’s companies are likely to be the biggest human decentralizing force in history.

Are you completely unaware that Musk and his family are being sued for self-dealing and fraud? Are you not paying attention to what's happening to cash bleeding companies?

>the solar roofs

The solar roofs that the CFO at the time they were demonstrated publicly didn't think were real, or that the global sales manager for Tesla energy didn't know if they sold a single one during his tenure? Those are changing the world?

SpaceX can't go to Mars. Teslas don't drive themselves. The Solar Roof doesn't exist. Starlink has yet to prove viable. Neuralink and The Boring Company are jokes. These are money-burning "ideas" to get to the next funding round.

>The antenna cost has been confirmed to be targeting a price of 300$ per unit.

Like the Model 3 was "targeting" $35,000 before incentives.