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Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by kozak on Thursday August 30, 2018 @11:55AM (#17877722)
There is a PDF "fact sheet" explanation here: https://www.lego.com/r/www/r/portals/-/media/themes/technic/...

It says that the car is not built entirely from LEGO parts: there is a steel frame, axles, and many other non-LEGO things in it.

Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by kazinator on Thursday August 30, 2018 @03:20PM (#17879863)
Also, "LEGO Technic" is an ill-defined term. The various kits contain an repertoire of custom pupose-designed pieces whose category appears to be open-ended. It seems that almost any conceivable chunk of plastic whatsoever (or perhaps another material) could be included a "LEGO Technic" kit. Thus if something is built out of "LEGO Technic", what exactly does that mean? It needs to be qualified, like built only with the pieces available in a particular kit available to consumers (as many instances of that kit as required).
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by lapinot on Thursday August 30, 2018 @05:41PM (#17881038)
Not sure if you are a specialist who is nitpicking or simply not well informed, but lego technic is pretty much well-defined (mostly as "every part present in a set branded as `LEGO Technic`"). See [1] for part lists. The afol community has nerdy tendencies (no judgement, i like it) and everything is pretty much well-defined, even more for crucial questions such as "what parts are valid to use" or "how can we combine them". For the second question see [2] for a presentation on illegal builds.

[1] https://www.brickowl.com/catalog/lego-parts/technic [2] http://bramlambrecht.com/tmp/jamieberard-brickstress-bf06.pd...

Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by edraferi on Thursday August 30, 2018 @05:51PM (#17881116)
How does this address the unique parts that LEGO created for this specific build? For example, they created interesting screw-adjustable beams to mount the curving outer skin.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by lapinot on Thursday August 30, 2018 @06:57PM (#17881541)
The part you are referring has been introduced in 2008 and is very standard. It's a linear actuator (large version), ref: https://www.brickowl.com/catalog/lego-linear-actuator-10-15-.... It is indeed a very interesting thing, much more reliable than a pneumatic cylinder and much more compact than a "homemade" linear actuator (screw + gear rack).

The team said they did create new parts, which might seem like cheating, but later they say they were "existing shapes in new colors". To be more precise, they needed semi-transparent version of some parts for the light system, and it's unsurprising that they needed to make them because semi-transparent lego parts are quite rare (since they are used for specific details in lego sets, not for bulk construction). I'm pretty forgiving on such a small sidestep from full purism given the scale and the result of the project.

Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by ganoushoreilly on Thursday August 30, 2018 @06:04PM (#17881221)
It's highly probable they'll re-use the custom piece designs in future sets.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by skybrian on Thursday August 30, 2018 @01:04PM (#17878389)
Well, of course.

Building anything strong out of Lego is an interesting challenge. I built a speaker stand that's basically a suspension bridge (using fishing line). A piece of wood would have done the job better.

Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by nathancahill on Thursday August 30, 2018 @03:02PM (#17879696)
Intersting! Got any pics?
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by skybrian on Thursday August 30, 2018 @04:07PM (#17880264)
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by rtkwe on Thursday August 30, 2018 @08:38PM (#17882060)
You could go pure lego by replacing the string with technic pieces. Those can be made pretty strong against tension.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by app4soft on Thursday August 30, 2018 @05:17PM (#17880852)
> It says that the car is not built entirely from LEGO parts: there is a steel frame, axles, and many other non-LEGO things in it.

So, it's look like correct title for this news should be:

LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti that consist on less than 95% from over a million Technic pieces[0]

[0] https://www.lego.com/en-us/aboutus/news-room/2018/august/tec...

Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by tda on Thursday August 30, 2018 @09:20AM (#17876433)
more details here: https://www.lego.com/en-us/themes/technic/bugatti-chiron/med... (including a 714mb zip with images which I am still downloading)

Some facts:

    Over 1,000,000 LEGO Technic elements in total 
    339 types of LEGO Technic elements used 
    No glue used in the assembly 
    Total weight: 1,500 kg 
    Engine contains:
    2,304 LEGO Power Functions motors
    4,032 LEGO Technic gear wheels 
    2,016 LEGO Technic cross axles 
    Theoretical performance of 5.3 HP 
    Estimated torque of 92 Nm
    Functional rear spoiler (using both LEGO Power Functions and pneumatics) 
    Functional speedometer built entirely from LEGO Technic elements 
    13,438 man hours used on development and construction
Edit: images are meh, just press shots. Was hoping for more on how it was built
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by masklinn on Thursday August 30, 2018 @09:50AM (#17876666)
https://www.lego.com/en-us/themes/technic/bugatti-chiron/med... has more, including an archive of 35 images some of which are detail shots of the wheels & steering wheels.

Though no build detail shots.

Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by mwexler on Thursday August 30, 2018 @12:00PM (#17877755)
Videos on this page do include some build shots. The 8 minute video is especially well done.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by tda on Thursday August 30, 2018 @09:27AM (#17876477)
"...using 58 types of Technic custom-made elements", anyone have a information on what those pieces are? They really spent an incedible amount of hours and effort on this. 13k+ man hours...
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by LukeShu on Thursday August 30, 2018 @12:15PM (#17877877)
> "...using 58 types of Technic custom-made elements", anyone have a information on what those pieces are?

"56 custom made Technic element types (existing shapes in new colors)"

from https://www.lego.com/r/www/r/portals/-/media/themes/technic/...

Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by jwin742 on Thursday August 30, 2018 @12:40PM (#17878126)
According the the pdf factsheet linked in this thread they were just existing pieces in new colors. So the transparent parts for the lights and I imagine LEGO doesn't sell technic in Bugatti Blue.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by pxndx on Thursday August 30, 2018 @02:23PM (#17879305)
They sell the smaller version of this car, in the same colors [1]. But many pieces are not available in those colors, e.g. I see a lot of the 3x1 cross-blocks [2] in light azure, which is not in any other set.

[1] https://shop.lego.com/en-ES/Bugatti-Chiron-42083 [2] https://ali1994.brickowl.com/store/lego-technic-cross-block-...

Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by justaguyhere on Thursday August 30, 2018 @11:04AM (#17877326)
The press they'd get from this is worth the investment I guess.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by andai on Thursday August 30, 2018 @12:59PM (#17878321)
"So what do you do?"

--"I work for Lego, we're building a life size Bugatti you can actually drive!"

"...are you free later?"

Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by hanniabu on Thursday August 30, 2018 @10:56AM (#17877253)
13438 comes out to about 11 people working on this for 6 months. That's a huge commitment.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by 5874-4b22-a4e0 on Thursday August 30, 2018 @09:48AM (#17876653)
Theoretically this could cost as much as 1.3k @ 10 cents per hour in a third world country to build, but there is a risk of theft when a piece of lego is worth more on the black market than what people make per hour.

If we move to America, it would only cost ~100k at minimum wage.

Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by cm2187 on Thursday August 30, 2018 @10:41AM (#17877122)
Are you allowed to use child labor if it is to build a lego car?
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by Theodores on Thursday August 30, 2018 @12:40PM (#17878137)
So long as it is Lego and not Stickle Bricks, yes. This is the law at my sister's house where the dad builds cars out of Lego.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by billpg on Thursday August 30, 2018 @12:35PM (#17878086)
I think you mean the block market!

(I'll get my coat.)

Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by 91bananas on Thursday August 30, 2018 @09:48AM (#17876656)
Crazy budget, just at $20 dollars an hour that is $~260k. Hope it paid off!
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by wpietri on Thursday August 30, 2018 @10:37AM (#17877084)
Even at that price, it'd be a deal; the real car costs $2,998,000. [1] And I expect the Lego version would be be safer, too; any car with a top speed of 261 mph (420 kph) seems inordinately likely to end up wrapped around a freeway lamppost.

[1] https://www.motortrend.com/news/2018-bugatti-chiron-review/

Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by aidenn0 on Thursday August 30, 2018 @12:32PM (#17878055)
I think the top speed of a car is a very weak factor in its likelyhood of being wrapped around a lamppost, as I suspect most people in the US have never driven their car at its top speed.

As a note, I have driven a car at its top speed once. I had a mid 90s Geo Metro with the I3 engine in a 70MPH zone and it had a top speed of about 72 on level ground.

Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by mikestew on Thursday August 30, 2018 @03:27PM (#17879923)
as I suspect most people in the US have never driven their car at its top speed.

I've probably run every vehicle I've ever owned until it topped out (or as close as practical). And I've owned some fast ones. I still think it's a mostly useless metric. Even in Nevada with 20 miles of visibility and empty road in front of you, there's a limit to what you can do on a public road without the odds rapidly stacking against you with each added mph. And the vast majority of tracks don't have a straight long enough to get to 260mph. So lot of damned good that 2.9MM car does you on I-405 at 5:00...or on a track day.

0-60, OTOH...

Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by wpietri on Thursday August 30, 2018 @03:45PM (#17880078)
Maybe. My guess is that a car whose speedometer goes up to 300 MPH (and has all sorts of features to make high-speed driving great) is in the category of "attractive nuisance". It's like telling a kid not to stuff beans up their nose.

Looking at the most accident-prone cars, all the ones I recognize are sports cars: https://www.cars.com/articles/whats-the-most-crash-prone-car...

Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by lozaning on Thursday August 30, 2018 @02:15PM (#17879201)
Not that a single anecdote refuits your point, but my favorite story about the Dodge hell back when it first came out was that the first one that was sold in Texas did end up wrapped around a pole something like 2 minutes after it was driven off the lot.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by rapfaria on Thursday August 30, 2018 @12:56PM (#17878295)
I assume that it's not only top speed, but high speed as well. Must be tough to control something at 200mph, but not as much at 70mph
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by mikestew on Thursday August 30, 2018 @03:21PM (#17879877)
Must be tough to control something at 200mph, but not as much at 70mph

Ever driven a Metro at 70mph? I'll take the Bugatti at 200mph, thanks.

Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by jsjohnst on Friday August 31, 2018 @12:34PM (#17886915)
Having driven a Smart car flat out at 96mph (as clocked by a police officer, thankfully got a warning and not a ticket) and having done over 200mph (not in a Bugatti, but in a comparably priced car) on a track, I agree, definitely will take the later for safety.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by chx on Thursday August 30, 2018 @01:13PM (#17878532)
Even at just 200 km/h (~125 mph) you begin to perceive the road narrowing. It's weird.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by giobox on Thursday August 30, 2018 @07:36PM (#17881763)
> any car with a top speed of 261 mph (420 kph) seems inordinately likely to end up wrapped around a freeway lamppost.

any car with a top speed of 261 mph (420 kph) seems inordinately likely to end up in an air-conditioned garage and never driven at all.

(That's typically what happens to many of these 'hyper-cars' - they are treated as long term investments rather than vehicles, heaven forbid you affect the future resale value by actually driving it...).

Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by mrb on Thursday August 30, 2018 @12:03PM (#17877788)
Plus over 1 000 000 lego technic elements at what I figure an average of ~$0.30 = over ~$300k. So total cost of the car is likely closer to $600k.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by jsjohnst on Friday August 31, 2018 @12:35PM (#17886929)
I think your average is likely very low. Many of the parts are expensive and offset the ones under $0.30 by a large margin.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by standerman on Thursday August 30, 2018 @10:12AM (#17876854)
How many Bugatti's does this piece of marketing have to sell to justify the cost? I'm guessing not many.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by barkingcat on Thursday August 30, 2018 @10:50AM (#17877196)
Like the other poster says - this doesn't really sell any cars because they are spoken for as soon as the plans to build one are revealed (ie Bugatti often sells through their entire planned-to-build cars years or even decades before the car is actually built)

Often luxury car companies will refuse to build any more because each additional car built reduces the value of all existing cars.

So the answer is 0. This marketing doesn't need to sell any cars to justify the cost.

Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by arrrg on Thursday August 30, 2018 @11:14AM (#17877390)
That’s a too simplistic approach. Bugatti wants to be able to sell cars at the price point in the future and any marketing and PR they do certainly has to be geared towards that, not selling additonal cars.

Also, I think this is about Lego, not Bugatti (but I’m not excluding the possibility that it’s mutually beneficial).

Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by pilsetnieks on Thursday August 30, 2018 @11:24AM (#17877470)
The real question is how many Lego versions of the car does this have to sell to pay off.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by gsnedders on Thursday August 30, 2018 @11:20AM (#17877435)
AFAIK, the Chiron production run is only about 60% sold last I heard.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by chx on Thursday August 30, 2018 @01:16PM (#17878554)
It's the Divo that is sold out but that's an even more limited run.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by tomatotomato37 on Thursday August 30, 2018 @10:31AM (#17877021)
Probably both one and infinite. Hypercars usually run on +100% margins in an attempt to cover their absurd R&D, and this is the halo model of the hypercar, which usually run at even higher margins, so a +$300k gross off each model sold will not be unusual. Even then these types of cars never make back their investment costs, as they serve more as advertisements of their parent company more so than actual products.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by gsnedders on Thursday August 30, 2018 @11:31AM (#17877528)
With regards to Bugatti:

“On [the Chiron] project, we get back in the black,” Bugatti’s Head of Production Christophe Piochon told me. The development of the Veyron’s complex systems over its lifetime, which laid the solid engineering foundation for the Chiron, resulted in $1.62 billion in investment costs. “By the end of the Chiron’s run, we’ll be profitable,” Piochon promised.

The Veyron somewhat infamously was a net loss for Volkswagen, despite its massive price. But ultimately its role was to be a halo car for the entire Volkswagen Group, and as such profit on the car itself wasn't such a concern.

Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by jandrese on Thursday August 30, 2018 @10:24AM (#17876957)
I'm pretty sure every Veyron/Chiron built is already sold before construction begins. They only make a tiny number of them and collectors snap them right up.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by Shivetya on Thursday August 30, 2018 @09:59AM (#17876740)
so the question is, how close to the cost of the real car is it? it certainly is not cheap but I have no means to estimate the costs of LEGOs or custom pieces
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by barkingcat on Thursday August 30, 2018 @10:47AM (#17877163)
in US $, a Bugatti Chiron without extras starts at about $3 million.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by philipov on Thursday August 30, 2018 @04:31PM (#17880462)
3 million is the retail price, not the cost of parts and labor to construct it, which is all these lego-version cost numbers are considering. We can't compare retail prices because the lego version isn't being sold, and if it were auctioned as art, I bet it would go for more than 3 million.

If we wanted a real comparison, we'd need to add the cost of R&D to the production costs. We could divide the R&D for the Chiron by the number of units produced. I'm sure the schematics for the lego version were much less expensive to develop, but that would be offset by there being only a single unit. Furthermore, how do we price in the marginal utility of having already developed the original?

Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by foobarian on Thursday August 30, 2018 @06:10PM (#17881259)
Where does one get these Technic pieces? There seem to be a bunch of pre-made sets but I don't see a generic kit with some motors and most often used bits.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by bigiain on Thursday August 30, 2018 @07:22PM (#17881691)
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by m1573rp34130dy on Thursday August 30, 2018 @06:16PM (#17881293)
wow its a big url...not trying to advert sell or endorse, but you asked where do i get, so heres one place...

https://www.amazon.com/LEGO-Technic-Power-Functions-Motor/dp...

Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by tetrep on Thursday August 30, 2018 @10:58AM (#17877269)
> images are meh, just press shots. Was hoping for more on how it was built

If you scroll to the bottom of the page there's a few links to "raw video clips" and "how we did it". I'm downloading them now but the names of the files sound like they're exactly what you want.

Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by seanalltogether on Thursday August 30, 2018 @09:48AM (#17876651)
I can't understand how this was done without glue. Sure they must have used something to secure the initial blocks to the steel frame, but nothing afterwards?
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by agumonkey on Thursday August 30, 2018 @10:03AM (#17876776)
various orthogonal locking schemes ?
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by dsr_ on Thursday August 30, 2018 @04:27PM (#17880436)
The Unofficial LEGO Technic Builder's Guide, by Pwel Kmiec, from NoStarch Press, is an excellent reference on mechanical stress and parts techniques, as well as guides for suspensions, gearboxes, transmissions, steering, and so on and so forth.

I highly recommend it.

Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by agumonkey on Thursday August 30, 2018 @05:57PM (#17881165)
I used to know a pdf about the arithmetic beauty of lego ratios. I cannot find it anymore ..
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by cloudwizard on Thursday August 30, 2018 @10:46AM (#17877154)
stock LEGO in sets is around 10 cents per piece. technics are more expensive. Looking at Ebay, it looks like 30-50 cents on average. You are looking at $200K to $400K for the 1M Technics pieces. They said the motors cost $70K. Say up to $500K for LEGO including custom elements.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by Fricken on Thursday August 30, 2018 @12:02PM (#17877781)
Relative to the retail price, the manufacturing cost of Lego elements are pennies on the dollar. For a $50 starwars set there might be 50 cents worth of plastic. The metal injection moulding dies cost tens of thousands, but one die can mould 120 million basic 2x4 bricks over it's lifetime.

Of course there's a whole other wing to their factories for sorting pieces into sets, they release hundreds of different sets a year which design teams spend months prototyping, they spend huge on marketing, community outreach, and licensing fees, and a non-trivial portion of their manufacturing capacity goes to Legoland resorts and projects like this Bugatti Chiron build. Nonetheless, the Lego group commands Apple-like profit margins.

Still, for the consumer the value proposition on a Lego purchase is very good, because it's value doesn't depreciate over time. In fact, vintage Lego sets have appreciated on average 10% per year over the last decade. Buying Lego is money in the bank, presuming you keep your Lego inventoried and save the boxes, stickers and instructions.

Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by mey on Thursday August 30, 2018 @07:19PM (#17881677)
There are two things that really amaze me

  No glue
  Powered by lego electric motors
I can accept that there is important subframe and wheels not in Lego. It's still masterful and essentially a work of art.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by kmonad on Thursday August 30, 2018 @07:52PM (#17881846)
a much fairer and better response than the snarky current top comment. who'd deny this is amazing?
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by pcurve on Thursday August 30, 2018 @08:42PM (#17882071)
i know! that motor pack is awesome.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by ourmandave on Thursday August 30, 2018 @01:13PM (#17878527)
If this thing is ever in an accident I hope first responders are wearing thick soled shoes.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by lodi on Thursday August 30, 2018 @11:10AM (#17877372)
And the best part is it's modular, so you can reconfigure it into a minivan for your daily commute!
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by drcongo on Thursday August 30, 2018 @09:00AM (#17876285)
Link to the story without all the Oath tracking: https://www.slashgear.com/life-size-lego-technic-bugatti-chi...
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by ChuckMcM on Thursday August 30, 2018 @11:25AM (#17877478)
Fascinating stuff and a pretty amazing accomplishment! Good job Lego.

I've built a number of robots out of Lego Technic pieces and the only way to keep them together was often to glue pieces together. There was a MIT interstitial class (6.270) that was pretty influential in the hobby robots scene during the late 80s and one of the fallouts of that was a great building techniques guide that was notes on how to make things like power plants and load supporting beams.

That said, supporting the weight of a person and a car in the air across the distance between the front and read axles would have seemed pretty impossible to me. Now if you looked underneath and there was a row of wheels keeping the middle of the car supported that would not have surprised me. And then a top speed of 20km/h ? That is almost 20' or 6m/second, that is fast for even a small Lego car much less a huge one.

Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by edraferi on Thursday August 30, 2018 @11:30AM (#17877516)
> supporting the weight of a person and a car in the air across the distance between the front and read axles would have seemed pretty impossible to me

Yeah, there is a core steel chassis for that. The main LEGO stuff is the body and engine.

Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by miohtama on Thursday August 30, 2018 @05:57PM (#17881161)
You can find the chassis and other necessary metal parts (wheels) on this how we did it video https://www.lego.com/en-us/themes/technic/bugatti-chiron/med...
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by Scarblac on Thursday August 30, 2018 @09:19AM (#17876419)
I wonder about the size of the step-by-step instruction booklet.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by sizzzzlerz on Thursday August 30, 2018 @09:30AM (#17876507)
Not to mention the size of the box it came in !
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by trumped on Thursday August 30, 2018 @12:14PM (#17877875)
Ikea could sell it because it probably could fit in a car
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by cwkoss on Thursday August 30, 2018 @02:16PM (#17879216)
"Sorry, my car broke down. Luckily I have a spare in the back, give me a few days to assemble it."
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by trumped on Thursday August 30, 2018 @04:23PM (#17880395)
for most people, it would probably take a few months to assemble
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by dclowd9901 on Thursday August 30, 2018 @11:57AM (#17877734)
If you're not a person who's spent much time with legos, it might be hard to grasp why this is considered an "engineering feat". LEGO is a system of modular building after all, right?

However, the kind of weight that 1,000,000 Legos is (in this case, north of 3,300 pounds) means that they had to use pieces, none of which (I believe) exceed 8" in length, to form the support structure of this vehicle. I would _love_ to see the "chassis" of this thing. Probably some gigantic rail structures holding it all together.

Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by bgutierrez on Thursday August 30, 2018 @12:48PM (#17878211)
https://www.lego.com/en-us/themes/technic/bugatti-chiron/med... has a link to a "How We Did It" video. There are clips of the chassis and some of the parts that weren't Lego. It shouldn't detract from the feat; the motor is a matrix of Technic motors, the door hinges are Technic pieces, and the skin was adjustable with a tool that also was made of Technic parts.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by dclowd9901 on Monday September 03, 2018 @09:28AM (#17902462)
Bummer. It’s honestly a bit disappointing because when it comes to Lego large structures, the support structure tends to be the most impressive part (if done in all Lego).
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by jonknee on Thursday August 30, 2018 @12:02PM (#17877775)
There is a non Lego support structure (I mean it makes sense, it has real Chiron wheels/tires!). Still quite impressive though.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by homonculus1 on Thursday August 30, 2018 @05:05PM (#17880752)
It should be noted, however, that The LEGO Group is the world's largest tire manufacturer by volume.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by cududa on Thursday August 30, 2018 @06:01AM (#17875432)
What blows my mind is aside from the frame, wheels and batteries the whole thing is LEGO
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by PeterisP on Thursday August 30, 2018 @09:08AM (#17876345)
Not even the frame - "This is also the first-time load-bearing parts were built purely out of LEGO."
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by nonsince on Thursday August 30, 2018 @09:41AM (#17876604)
That doesn’t mean that all load-bearing parts are lego. It has a steel frame, as the article states.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by joering2 on Thursday August 30, 2018 @09:47AM (#17876643)
Exactly. No matter what your engineering skills are, the thickest Lego bricks cannot withstand a grownup man sitting on them.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by jakemoshenko on Thursday August 30, 2018 @09:59AM (#17876745)
I regularly sit on creations out of my daughter's duplo.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by joering2 on Thursday August 30, 2018 @10:26AM (#17876977)
Put wheels on it and drive it 18mph we see then.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by icebraining on Thursday August 30, 2018 @12:04PM (#17877792)
The base of the Super Awesome Micro Project (a LEGO hotrod built a few years ago, who could travel at 20mph) was pure LEGO; only the four struts connected to the wheels weren't.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by thedrbrian on Thursday August 30, 2018 @12:35PM (#17878079)
Was always curious about that. Got any pictures of the build?
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by laurentb on Thursday August 30, 2018 @04:42PM (#17880555)
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by icebraining on Thursday August 30, 2018 @12:41PM (#17878141)
No, sorry.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by jacquesm on Thursday August 30, 2018 @03:30PM (#17879952)
I've built usable furniture out of Lego, including chairs and I could sit on it just fine. It's incredibly strong if you use it wisely.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by 24gttghh on Thursday August 30, 2018 @09:59AM (#17876748)
I saw a metal frame being used to assemble the car in one of the videos but I didn't see them remove it after putting the body together.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by ashleyn on Thursday August 30, 2018 @08:57AM (#17876264)
Look at the patterns in the body. A seasoned engineer can certainly make do with what he's got.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by mikkelam on Thursday August 30, 2018 @11:09AM (#17877360)
For some reason the video widgets are unclickable for me on firefox, so here's the direct link to the video for anyone else who might've had the problem

http://legoexternal.23video.com/v.ihtml/player.html?token=96...

Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by kaffeemitsahne on Thursday August 30, 2018 @09:18AM (#17876417)
There's some nice close-ups in the images.zip downloadable from here:

https://www.lego.com/en-us/themes/technic/bugatti-chiron/med...

The patterns of the bodywork are ingenious and quite pretty as well.

Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by felipemnoa on Thursday August 30, 2018 @11:46AM (#17877640)
Looking at the car it reminds me of the replicators in Stargate SG-1.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by bognition on Thursday August 30, 2018 @09:10AM (#17876360)
Wow, this is just incredible. Was anyone else hoping there would be a head on collision crash test between the two cars?
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by zaarn on Thursday August 30, 2018 @10:04AM (#17876782)
You'd probably be torn to shreds in the lego one by the flying pieces and/or die when you try to leave the car and step on the million pieces lying around.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by na85 on Thursday August 30, 2018 @10:50AM (#17877193)
They don't usually perform crash tests with a real driver.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by zaarn on Thursday August 30, 2018 @11:59AM (#17877746)
Crash dummies have feelings too. Especially when being shredded by lego pieces.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by em-bee on Thursday August 30, 2018 @12:26PM (#17877995)
well, i was certain they wouldn't do that, but yes, i want to see how this car behaves in a real crash test.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by lihaciudaniel on Thursday August 30, 2018 @09:42AM (#17876610)
I think from that many man hours of work it would be in a museum. Maybe even anti earthquake feature so it doesn't completely break.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by crispyambulance on Thursday August 30, 2018 @09:09AM (#17876350)
Aside from shape, the LEGO one or the "real" one share other thing: they're still both toys!
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by sandworm101 on Thursday August 30, 2018 @10:00AM (#17876754)
It is only a toy if it has no purpose beyond being a toy (see "art"). The bugatti can get me to work and back.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by cirgue on Thursday August 30, 2018 @11:16AM (#17877408)
> The bugatti can get me to work and back.

So can a jet ski depending on where you live, but it's still very much a toy.

Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by jethro_tell on Thursday August 30, 2018 @02:15PM (#17879213)
Not if you live on an island. The same as snow machines are actual commuter mobiles in places in Alaska.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by Radle on Thursday August 30, 2018 @09:16AM (#17876391)
For me, this is even more impressive than a real Bugatti.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by rcMgD2BwE72F on Monday September 03, 2018 @10:29AM (#17902755)
Is that the first Bugatti EV?

Joking aside, isn't it weird for LEGO to associate itself with a gaz-guzzler while simultaneously trying to distance itself from fossil fuel-based materials? Does anyone know if there's a commercial deal behind this project?

[0] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/31/business/energy-environme...

Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by chx on Thursday August 30, 2018 @01:18PM (#17878574)
I am sure you've read before if all modern tools and factories were to disappear we would need to rebuild almost from scratch because you need more precise tools to build even more precise ones. In that vein:

> There was an extra electric screwdriver build to adjust the cylinder pistons. It is made completely out of LEGO Technic pieces. It was needed because an actual screwdriver has too much torque. The LEGO one uses Power Functions motor, simple gearbox and custom-designed switch.

Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by pbhjpbhj on Thursday August 30, 2018 @09:26AM (#17876472)
Which is more expensive?
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by LeonM on Thursday August 30, 2018 @10:28AM (#17876990)
Good question. A Bugatti Chiron MSRP is about 2.5MM, the lego version could be more expensive, if you add all the bricks, the steel frame, the (real) Chiron wheels (40k for the set, I estimate) and the 13,500 (!) hours of work it could get really expensive, really fast.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by escoundel on Thursday August 30, 2018 @02:50PM (#17879591)
I hope they capitalize on it more and produce a few videos with build walkthroughs and engineering behind it. For all its "markety" feel, there's a lot to learn and engage folks interested in building with first principles in mind.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by mkj on Thursday August 30, 2018 @09:39AM (#17876587)
I wonder how the "Functional speedometer built entirely from LEGOTECHNIC elements" works. Do technic pieces have springs/magnets, or they're using elasticity of the plastic pieces somehow...
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by TheOtherHobbes on Thursday August 30, 2018 @09:49AM (#17876660)
Probably magnets.

https://www.explainthatstuff.com/how-speedometer-works.html

It wasn't that long ago that all speedos were mechanical.

Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by dsr_ on Thursday August 30, 2018 @04:31PM (#17880469)
It could also be optical (various LEGO computers have optical sensors and timers).
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by bytesmith on Thursday August 30, 2018 @06:58PM (#17881552)
It’s not quite as fast but in my opinion the Ferdinand GT3[1] is a much cooler vehicle.

[1] https://youtu.be/GaQB_tgS7f0

Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by jsjohnst on Friday August 31, 2018 @12:21PM (#17886792)
> developed using over 1,000,000 LEGO Technic elements and powered exclusively using motors from the LEGO Power Function platform. Packed with 2,304 motors and 4,032 LEGO Technic gear wheels

So in other words, it costs more to build this model in parts (not including 13,000 hours of labor) to build than the original hypercar its replicating?

Not saying this isn’t super cool, but something to keep in mind for perspective!

Update:

Not comparing retail prices, as obviously the LEGO version isn’t for sale, talking about cost of building (not including R&D).

Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by jandrese on Thursday August 30, 2018 @10:25AM (#17876966)
I like how it has a detachable steering wheel just like a real race car. I was wondering if the driver had to just press it onto the studs to install it.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by amelius on Thursday August 30, 2018 @11:02AM (#17877308)
A crash-test video would be nice :)
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by amelius on Thursday August 30, 2018 @11:01AM (#17877295)
I want to see what's under the hood!
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by SonicSoul on Thursday August 30, 2018 @12:59PM (#17878331)
Unfortunately it costs 10x the price of the Bugatti if you add up the pieces
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by Finnucane on Thursday August 30, 2018 @01:36PM (#17878786)
One assumes they didn't pay retail.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by Animats on Thursday August 30, 2018 @05:00PM (#17880711)
2,304 little tiny motors!
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by unwabuisi on Thursday August 30, 2018 @07:30PM (#17881733)
Quite an amazing feat, but an even more amazing marketing campaign.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by andromaton on Thursday August 30, 2018 @06:40PM (#17881432)
Unfortunately, the Lego pieces cost more than the original car.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by ovrdrv3 on Thursday August 30, 2018 @12:36PM (#17878095)
I WOKE UP IN A NEW ... Bugatti?
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by iamleppert on Friday August 31, 2018 @12:12AM (#17882902)
Elon Musk should take note
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by nkrisc on Thursday August 30, 2018 @09:21AM (#17876443)
Honestly the original source is probably better than the techcrunch link. No ads, more writeup.

https://www.lego.com/en-us/aboutus/news-room/2018/august/tec...

Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by ec109685 on Thursday August 30, 2018 @10:21AM (#17876927)
Lego’s writeup neglects to mention the metal frame that serves as the structure for the build.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by sctb on Thursday August 30, 2018 @10:41AM (#17877118)
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by wpietri on Thursday August 30, 2018 @10:31AM (#17877024)
That writeup mentions it has a "detachable steering wheel and brake pedal", which is surely going to give me nightmares where the Lego steering wheel pops off in my hand and the accelerator pedal sticks to the floor.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by trumped on Thursday August 30, 2018 @12:16PM (#17877896)
I don't know why but Techcrunch is often given priority over the original source on this site...
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by ahoka on Thursday August 30, 2018 @09:37AM (#17876555)
And no forced consent dialog to instantly close. Thanks!
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by nogbit on Thursday August 30, 2018 @10:31AM (#17877018)
of which requires flash to view the embedded video, shame they can't embed like TechCrunch did.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by cpburns2009 on Thursday August 30, 2018 @11:07AM (#17877348)
That page doesn't require flash to play the video. It's a JavaScript video player using a <video> tag.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by nogbit on Thursday September 06, 2018 @09:49PM (#17931314)
that's what was sent to or rendered by your browser anyway
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by sacheendra on Thursday August 30, 2018 @09:36AM (#17876549)
But with no option to opt-out of ad tracking. :-(
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by amarant on Thursday August 30, 2018 @10:09AM (#17876826)
honestly, from these pictures at least, the lego version is more beautiful than the original!

i hope they do a crash test with it when they finish showing it off at various events :)

Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by village-idiot on Thursday August 30, 2018 @10:46AM (#17877159)
That's actually kind of dangerous to drive, even a very slow speed impact would absolutely shatter and leave the driver not only exposed to the other car/barrier, but also the ground and everything else. People ejected from cars via windows/sunroofs tend to fare very poorly, and the same is true if your car stops being a car all around you.

Good thing it's probably not very fast. Or road legal. Still neat though.

Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by snowwolf on Thursday August 30, 2018 @10:52AM (#17877206)
20km/h top speed, driven by an "Official Bugatti Pilot" wearing a crash helmet on a closed circuit.

I think they did their risk assessment.

Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by airstrike on Thursday August 30, 2018 @01:25PM (#17878660)
> Official Bugatti Pilot

Clearly, somewhere down the line I picked the wrong career.

Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by village-idiot on Thursday August 30, 2018 @10:53AM (#17877221)
Yeah, that’s how I’d drive it too.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by huhtenberg on Thursday August 30, 2018 @10:53AM (#17877219)
> Still neat though.

Very gracious of you to conclude a trivial nitpick this way.

Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by village-idiot on Thursday August 30, 2018 @10:56AM (#17877252)
I’m sorry I didn’t gush over it like you wanted me to. I’ll try better next time.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by mikkelam on Thursday August 30, 2018 @11:07AM (#17877341)
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by mfringel on Thursday August 30, 2018 @01:20PM (#17878600)
It is my duty to inform you that the musicians in Band Of Horses are not actually horses.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by mikeash on Thursday August 30, 2018 @10:57AM (#17877260)
1.5 tonnes and 5.3 horsepower. I don’t think there’s a whole lot of risk.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by village-idiot on Thursday August 30, 2018 @11:00AM (#17877280)
On a closed course yes.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by mikeash on Thursday August 30, 2018 @11:09AM (#17877359)
I can’t imagine it would ever be driven anywhere else.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by village-idiot on Thursday August 30, 2018 @11:31AM (#17877526)
Would be far from the dumbest thing people have done on public roads.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by baq on Thursday August 30, 2018 @10:49AM (#17877189)
the article quotes 20 km/h.
Re:LEGO built a life-size, drivable Bugatti from over a mill... by village-idiot on Thursday August 30, 2018 @10:53AM (#17877215)
Hence the “good thing”.