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Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by westoncb on Friday February 19, 2016 @03:01AM (#11132268)
I've had serious anxiety issues and meditation has been the only thing to help significantly. I've spent ~1.5 hours/day meditating for the past six months or so, and I've studied meditation literature pretty seriously for about the past year.

At least in my case—and I think this isn't so unusual—there is a steep learning curve: for most people there's just not enough reason to stick with it. That said, at this point I can hardly imagine something more worthwhile. After acquiring some facility with it, my everyday experience with life feels more substantial—more 'real.' There's a kind of energy, curiosity, and enthusiasm that now often presents itself which I hadn't seen in a long time—maybe since I was ~22 or so (I'm 30 now). I also feel way less need to do things like smoke/drink, and have a restored sense of smell and taste. If you've felt like the world's turned grey at some point, give it a try.

This is my favorite source of info on the subject—very substantial content, yet light and even entertaining at times: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEw2mHpVv9A

Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by hotcool on Friday February 19, 2016 @06:49AM (#11132951)
I used to meditate for 20 minutes daily, but my mind still acted like a spoiled petulant child, so I upped it to two hours first thing in the morning (in one sitting). I use one of these meditation posters as a focal point: http://zenpusher.com

The results have been profound. My mind is quiet and obedient now. I experience equanimity throughout the day.

Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by kristiandupont on Friday February 19, 2016 @09:47AM (#11133701)
That's a lot of meditation! I am doing 20 minutes at the moment and I feel similar to you: I still have serious trouble staying focused on anything. Did you keep it up or was there a lasting effect?
Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by mclovinit on Friday February 19, 2016 @12:51PM (#11135092)
What worked for me was basic yoga asanas to loosen up and then closing my eyes and focusing on relaxing every area of my body from my forehead, eyes, jaw and so on. I would do this thing where I wouls stretch my arms up as high as possible and tense up and much as I could and then relax my body as if to touch my toes. Works great if you have a tight neck or back.

I never saw a need to go beyond 30 minutes. In my opinion there is no right way. The breathe is key. Irregular breathing is a problem for many of us if we spend most of our day sitting in front a monitor tightening up.

Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by hotcool on Friday February 19, 2016 @11:56AM (#11134655)
I made meditation the top priority of my day. I do not leave the house or answer the phone/door until the two hours are finished.
Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by perseusprime11 on Friday February 19, 2016 @01:54PM (#11135628)
You should read the book Power of Now. It will give you some tips.
Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by swsieber on Friday February 19, 2016 @11:50AM (#11134616)
Not one who meditates, but my mom advocates it. She says that having done meditation for a while (over a year? I'm not sure how much longer than that), she can now feel positive effects just after 5 minutes.
Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by EC1 on Friday February 19, 2016 @11:38AM (#11134525)
I need this. I just about have a breakdown at work every single day because I work in an extremely loud open office setup with no escape to a place of solitude. Everyone on the floor sees me as a wretched asshole, because it's true. Where should I start with meditation?
Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by marcbernstein on Friday February 19, 2016 @11:51AM (#11134623)
I'm a fan of both https://www.headspace.com and http://www.calm.com to get started. Both have free options to start out, and don't require a large amount of time to get started. The guided meditation at Headspace was key for me to get walking down this path.
Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by jrwoodruff on Friday February 19, 2016 @12:29PM (#11134888)
Mindfulness in Plain English by Bhante Gunaratana has been a good start for me. It explains meditation, different flavors of mindfulness, as well as techniques and what to expect when you first start. I highly recommend it. http://www.amazon.com/Mindfulness-English-Bhante-Henepola-Gu...
Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by neves on Friday February 19, 2016 @12:42PM (#11135024)
Read the book "Search inside your Self" from the googler Chade-Meng Tan. I've read some books about meditation and this one was the one that really resonated with me (a technical person).
Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by peterwwillis on Friday February 19, 2016 @12:49PM (#11135071)
Off-topic, but might I recommend quitting your job? I'm sure you've considered it already, but I think it might be a better solution than meditation
Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by hotcool on Friday February 19, 2016 @12:00PM (#11134677)
You don't need anything to get started. No app, poster, book or garb.

Just sit.

Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by criddell on Friday February 19, 2016 @01:08PM (#11135234)
Technically you are right, but I think most beginners benefit from more guidance than that. It's like telling someone that all there is to golf is to hit the ball into the cup.
Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by domsj on Saturday February 20, 2016 @03:18AM (#11139369)
If you're sensitive to office noise I strongly suggest getting good noise cancelling headphones. I had the same problem about a year ago, bought bose qc 25 and while a bit expensive it think it's money well spent, I'm much less aware of/annoyed by the noises around me
Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by edeion on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @09:25AM (#11158955)
This thread seems somehow off topic, but it's a topic by itself…

I would recommend against images. They feel helpful at first but they tend to mislead by infusing the idea that they have something to do into the meditation.

Moreover, as an aside, I didn't see anyone mentioning that you don't force yourself out of thoughts: just let thoughts come and pass without considering them intentionally. (I guess that's what westoncb meant by https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11135378)

But what can I say? I felt the way you describe for some time. I can't even say if it resulted of meditation. And it vanished as it came, unexpectedly. I may have considered that I acquired satori and experienced the hard way that satori is not something you possess. But I wouldn't be surprised to hear that my advice is bullshit according to OP.

(To anyone feeling like reading about zen meditation, I would recommend Shunryu Suzuki's book Not Always So: Practicing the True Spirit of Zen.)

Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by redrummr on Saturday February 20, 2016 @04:47PM (#11142101)
But doesn't meditation impede that little thought machine that runs in most programmers' heads? What has put me off meditation a little bit was reports of people no longer getting those algorithmic lightbulb moments at the gym or elsewhere AFK, which then makes keyboard time more productive. My best business and life ideas have happened while I wasn't in the 'moment' of whatever I was doing, and instead highly absent and still in code/entrepreneuring/brainstorming mode (whether I knew it or not). I don't know if it's worth giving up all those moments to experience life on a deeper level (I'll regret writing this).
Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by queeerkopf on Sunday February 21, 2016 @06:16AM (#11144081)
As far as i understand it, it's not so much that you can't do that anymore but that it's not automatic anymore. You can still let your mind do it's thing, e.g. hop on the thought train and let one thought lead to another. It's more that you choose to do that whereas for most people it just happens (automatically and subconciously)
Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by saeranv on Friday February 19, 2016 @01:56PM (#11135642)
Did it take a couple of sessions for you to be able to handle one hour in one session? I started with 20 minutes like you and have incrementally increased it to 40. I'm aiming for 60 minutes, but every time I increase my sitting length I find it incredibly difficult to sit through. Often I feel very stressed and like I'm about to break down due to the boredom. Did you experience this?
Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by hotcool on Friday February 19, 2016 @02:12PM (#11135778)
Did it take a couple of sessions for you to be able to handle one hour in one session?

Yes. I'd remember something I had to do or get a great idea and have to pause to write it down. I later realised it was just another trick my mind will use to regain control.

The point of meditation (for me, anyway) is to stop impulsive behaviour. That means everything must wait, even scratching an itch.

Often I feel very stressed and like I'm about to break down due to the boredom. Did you experience this?

Yes. Just yesterday at about the 1 3/4 hour mark I got incredibly stir crazy. I tried breathing myself calm again, but I must have sounded like a marathon runner on the last mile. In the final 10 minutes or so I settled back in.

You just got to ride out those rough patches. The journey is as valuable as the destination.

Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by seivan on Friday February 19, 2016 @02:40PM (#11136011)
Do you ever feel anxious that you should be doing something instead?
Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by hotcool on Friday February 19, 2016 @02:47PM (#11136058)
I consider meditation to be the most productive thing I can do. Since meditation affects my perspective on life, my relationships, my faith, my health - it supersedes everything else.
Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by seivan on Friday February 19, 2016 @02:40PM (#11136005)
How do you keep your mind still? I've tried counting my breaths up to 10, one for in and one for out, but honestly, it's a lot harder than it sounds. I end up having to start from 1 again a lot of times.
Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by amazingman on Monday February 22, 2016 @01:12AM (#11148895)
Keeping the mind still isn't the point, nor is it possible without effort. Effort isn't really what is being indicated when experienced meditators talk about "stillness". Meditation is fundamentally extremely simple: focus on the chosen object of meditation, notice when distraction has arisen, return the attention to the chosen object of meditation. There are many useful paths/methods/techniques that can grow from this soil, but these should not be understood as goals.
Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by lubesGordi on Friday February 19, 2016 @03:47PM (#11136498)
Counting is thinking. The idea is to not follow wandering thoughts. When you get it your mind is silent, and you are fully present. You can hear everything around, not even a ninja could sneak up on you.
Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by hotcool on Friday February 19, 2016 @03:08PM (#11136224)
I suggest not counting. Don't use your mind to tame your mind. Try to ride a tiger and it will only eat you.

Escape conceptual thought entirely.

Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by ZenoArrow on Friday February 19, 2016 @07:40PM (#11137935)
From what I understand, it's slightly different from escaping conceptual thought entirely. The idea is to not direct your thoughts, but rather observe them without judgement as they arise and fade away. So the idea is balanced observation, and this is easier to do by relaxing your mind and body.
Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by yoodenvranx on Friday February 19, 2016 @05:53AM (#11132789)
Do you happen to have a good link to a jump-start article about meditation. I am in a sinilar situation as you, life is gray, anxiety problems, ...

How should I start doing this today (and the next 4 weeks) without doing too much initial research?

Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by damontal on Friday February 19, 2016 @08:58AM (#11133443)
I recommend Gil Fronsdal's podcast. It's free and he's a very good teacher. He has a series specifically for beginners... http://www.audiodharma.org/series/1/talk/1762/
Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by chc on Friday February 19, 2016 @02:56PM (#11136129)
Gil Fronsdal's podcast is great. A lot of meditation teachers seem to be either very distant or have an alienating New Age-y-ness about them. I found Gil to be very relatable and informative.
Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by manuelflara on Friday February 19, 2016 @06:20AM (#11132875)
I suggest you start with HeadSpace, it's an app with zero spirituality or religion, and IMO killer content (if I'm not mistaken, the voice of the videos is that of the founder himself, who used to be a monk). Most of the content you have to pay for, but it provides the first 10 lessons (for the first 10 days, although you can replay them as much as you want) for free, and I think they're a fantastic, easy way to get started.
Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by foobarqux on Friday February 19, 2016 @11:00AM (#11134235)
"Killer content"? I did 5 of the first free sessions and the content was essentially the same each time and the process is probably easier to do on your own once you have learned the 3-4 steps that are repeated. Did I miss something?
Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by arstin on Friday February 19, 2016 @11:41AM (#11134553)
I also recommend Headspace! Certainly do the free content, and I think it's worth paying for a while longer. You don't pay to learn facts or techniques...get those from books...you pay to be given structure in real-time---the whisper in your ear to get back on track, now try this, now try that. For the effect of "now I'm going to meditate" when you hear that guy's voice. When you're just starting out, this sort of help is probably the most important thing.
Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by wprapido on Friday February 19, 2016 @10:10AM (#11133837)
a happy lifetime headspace subscriber here! it's amazing!
Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by crispyambulance on Friday February 19, 2016 @06:22AM (#11132878)
There is a really excellent resource here, http://www.dhammatalks.org/mp3_collections_index.html, that introduces what is known as "breath meditation".

Very simple, rewarding stuff. I listen to these from time to time and practice it for a few minutes every day.

Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by avtar on Friday February 19, 2016 @09:41AM (#11133667)
I recommend this book to anyone just starting a meditation practice:

http://www.amazon.com/Real-Happiness-Meditation-28-Day-Progr...

Look up Sharon Salzberg. She, along with a few others, helped spread the practice of insight meditation in North America a few decades ago. That book includes a CD containing guided meditations and attempts to provide a framework for practice over 28 days.

Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by kordless on Friday February 19, 2016 @11:02AM (#11134259)
I would recommend to start by listening to Alan Watts for a few days before digging into meditation techniques: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emHAoQGoQic

He's pretty funny and does a good job of covering the rationale behind Taoist practices, which include meditation and mindfulness.

Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by hackercomplex on Friday February 19, 2016 @12:08PM (#11134729)
There is a vast "spiritual marketplace" in the western culture which incorporates everything from yoga, to self-help movements, life-coaches, new-age, pop psychology, and more.

I recommend you pick a Wisdom tradition with roots in the very ancient past of which there are several, and make a study of it's roots and branches and resist the urge to tightly couple yourself to one teacher until you've read more about the practice and heritage. Buddhism is an example of one such Wisdom tradition.

Since you ask for a jump start here is an introductory book on Zen buddhism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFt1r7eubbc

Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by ruraljuror on Friday February 19, 2016 @07:50AM (#11133155)
If you get an audio guide you can essentially start right away. If you have a streaming service, search for 'mindfulness'. On Google play there is one from Oxford. They used to have several albums from Kabatt-Zinn but they seem to have disappeared. I would recommend those. In any case, make sure to purchase so you are not interrupted by ads.

If you want to do a bit of research there is a YouTube video of a Kabatt-Zinn talk at Google where he leads a short session.

Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by draven on Friday February 19, 2016 @12:32PM (#11134929)
There's also The Healing Power of Mindfulness by Kabatt-Zinn at Dartmouth. There's a session at about 50mn in. https://youtu.be/_If4a-gHg_I
Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by asdrubale88 on Friday February 19, 2016 @06:09AM (#11132841)
I would suggest you Sadhguru and the Isha Foundation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4hCvdDn7Zc

Meditation is substantially observation without identification, nothing more, nothing less.

If you want to start: 1. Sit down with legs crossed (comfortable) 2. Just sit and see thoughts, listen sounds, sense your body 3. Just be. No doing required.

Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by jwdunne on Friday February 19, 2016 @07:54AM (#11133172)
For mindfulness, this features as part of DBT, a therapy targetted at people who suffer from borderline personality disorder.

Although a bit drastic, searching for "DBT mindfulness" will provide tonnes of resources that teach mindfulness techniques in a way that's acceptable in a clinical setting. Things such as worksheets, DBT websites, etc.

Headspace is also a fantastic suggestion, as above.

Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by drostie on Friday February 19, 2016 @09:52AM (#11133726)
This is more traditional meditation; mindfulness is something which is also practiced in a sort of everyday life, but here's a 5-minute guide to meditating.

So the first thing you need that's often sadly overlooked is a special place which you make for meditation. This can be as simple as "I am going to set an exercise mat in the middle of the carpet in my living room." Keep the space to be relatively clean. Cleaning is itself a great way to dedicate your mind to wholesomeness and order.

Once you've cleaned a space and imbued it with symbolic power, "here is where I am going to meditate", you sit there. Sit however you like the first several times. There is a special way to sit involving a "Zafu" (a pillow that when compressed is still 4-6 inches wide) that you may want to research, where you sit on the edge of it with much weight resting on your knees, and your feet are in a position that neither restricts blood flow nor pinches nerves. The cushion angles your hips forwards, which keeps your back straight. But if you don't have the disposable income to get the cusion for this, just sit down however feels comfortable. Place your hands wherever feels most natural for you to be able to breathe deeply.

Once you have a comfortable seat in that place, it helps to have a little speech to focus your attention and remind yourself what you are doing and why. One Buddhist pre-meditation speech I heard says (with a bit of misremembering and translation error doubtless thrown in): "I am here to end my confusion and distraction. If ending confusion is more important to me right now than everything else, I will succeed. If it is not more important than something, I won't. I am not here to learn some new ideology, but just to pay attention to my own mind: I want to awaken to the causes of my distraction so that I can learn how they work and restrict their power over me."

Now, have something repetitive that you can come constantly back to. Distraction works like alcohol works: if you ingest a little, it subtly compromises your mind in just the sort of way that makes it more likely to ingest more. So this is why the space is clean and you are sitting with good posture without pain, so that you remove the most common distractions of mess, sleep, discomfort.

Many people use the rhythm of deep breaths as the repetitive thing they can come back to. If you are a more visual person, you might want to instead put an object of religious veneration, be it a cross or a Buddha or what-have-you. Someone whose peacefulness you can study is good.

I once helped develop a more "active" picture for a friend who had grown up with either ADD or ADHD, I don't remember which. She said she needed something more like a wholesome movie. We tried to structure it so that it could still be repetitive. Then a week later neither of us could remember what we had done the week before, so we created a new one but as a mnemonic we structured it around 5 elements. It looked something like this:

    Dwell on each of these for 10-15 minutes as a way to eliminate
    distractions. If you find yourself thinking about something else,
    allow yourself to think about it for a little, then return to the
    element you're on.

    1. (Air) You are walking through a forest, and the wind is blowing
       through the trees, blowing through your hair, removing any 
       impurity or distraction that is an obstacle to your growth. You 
       settle on a direction where these winds of change are at your
       back, letting them push you wherever they need you. 
    2. (Fire) There is the smell of smoke, then a feeling of heat
       behind you, then light, and you find yourself running, running
       through this forest which lights up, needing to take swift, 
       dynamic action to dodge the flames and keep ahead of the blaze,
       to get to safety.
    3. (Water) The fire opens up into a clearing with a river. There are
       some scared animals: a fox, some bunnies, a squirrel. You are 
       holding them to your chest to reassure them, and then you lay on
       your back in the river, rafting them safely downstream. Your
       compassion brings a calm, soothing rain which starts to fall, 
       extinguishing the blaze into steam.
    4. (Earth) You get up and set the animals free as the river bends
       near a rock face, and walk along the side of the hill. You find a 
       trail that goes up it. You feel these smooth, ancient, unmoving 
       stones beside you as you ascend this cliff. You feel calm and 
       relaxed with these stones that never need to be anything other 
       than what they are.
    5. (Void) The trail opens up to a landing. You sit down on the
       landing with this solid rock beneath you and look up at the night
       sky. You see the valley in front of you, even more mountain behind
       you, and are struck by how big this place is and how small we are.
The bottom line is that anything works, if it's not too complicated and allows you to say "hey, I am thinking too much about this other person who insulted me the other day, I'm just going to come back to this thing I'm supposed to be focusing on and focus on that instead."
Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by Outdoorsman on Friday February 19, 2016 @11:17AM (#11134369)
I'll share a technique I stumbled upon years ago that helps me tremendously whenever I feel stressed, e.g., to meet some gig deadline....no link, but it only takes a few minutes...

Just sit and focus on letting your lower jaw hang open for, say 5 minutes ...all the slack you can get...I think you'll find it's very hard to worry, or think about much anything else while consciously doing this...

It's very typical for the average person to go through the day with their jaw at least lightly clenched...more tightly when under stress...

Try it..consider it open source...

To increase the benefit breathe in deeply and force yourself to exhale for twice the amount of time it took you to breathe in...or, do this separately...

Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by alanwatts on Friday February 19, 2016 @09:18AM (#11133543)
Alan Watts Teaches Meditation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVrnTNpVe5I

Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by coderholic on Friday February 19, 2016 @10:16AM (#11133880)
You could try http://calm.com, or the Calm app (disclosure: I work at Calm)
Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by westoncb on Friday February 19, 2016 @01:19PM (#11135322)
Watch the video I linked to and others from the same guy (Ajahn Brahm). If you want other perspectives on the subject—which eventually, you probably should—might checkout "Meditation for Beginners": pretty good compilation of ~20 different meditation experts speaking on the subject with different backgrounds and focuses
Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by mtzaldo on Friday February 19, 2016 @08:30AM (#11133311)
Ajahn Brahm! he is so funny and you learn a lot.I used to watch his videos. Thanks for the video n___n
Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by filipedeschamps on Friday February 19, 2016 @06:37AM (#11132923)
1.5 hours/day it's a lot, congratulations.

Basically my routine is 10 minutes a day (in the mornings) and after one week doing this in a row I've already started to notice how differently my body react to anxiety.

Later on, how I handle stress changed completely, I started to become numb to harsh events.

Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by lettergram on Friday February 19, 2016 @01:02PM (#11135183)
My startup is actually building something that's helps people learn to essentially meditate:

http://synaptitude.me/

Basically, it should improve control over the brain, very similar to meditation:

http://synaptitude.me/blog/neurofeedback-in-200-words/

Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by dominotw on Friday February 19, 2016 @01:21PM (#11135340)
>This is my favorite source of info on the subject—very substantial content, yet light and even entertaining at times: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEw2mHpVv9A

Why is that guy dressed in some comical outfit, I can't take him seriously.

Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by westoncb on Friday February 19, 2016 @01:29PM (#11135418)
Ha! —true, that makes it difficult at first. He's a monk in a religious tradition, but I don't think he's very religious himself. He definitely keeps the content of his talks almost totally free of religious/spiritual stuff. He also studied physics at Cambridge, and is generally pretty rational. But yeah, funny costume :)
Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by chc on Friday February 19, 2016 @02:03PM (#11135698)
Those are ordinary Buddhist monk's robes.
Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by xyz198 on Saturday February 20, 2016 @10:55AM (#11140539)
>> I can't take him seriously

Those are normal clothes for monks. You won't take someone seriously because they wear different clothes than you ?

Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by obvio171 on Friday February 19, 2016 @06:46AM (#11132942)
Thank you for this video. I'm just starting to get interested in the subject, and I think I was approaching it more in the "Meditation Seals" mentality. Glad I saw this video before going in.
Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by MIKarlsen on Friday February 19, 2016 @06:04AM (#11132826)
Great post. I'm sometimes feeling the heat myself. I think I'm maybe expecting too much of myself. I've been attempting meditation before, but I will give it another try after your read.
Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by lsv1 on Friday February 19, 2016 @07:59AM (#11133188)
I found it difficult to meditate for very long. However, I do close my eyes and slow my breathing before I have to do something difficult, or something which causes great anxiety.
Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by hodwik on Friday February 19, 2016 @09:41AM (#11133662)
You don't need to really meditate once you get in the habit of breathing exercises.

After doing meditation for a while, I found it was much easier to just breathe and calm myself while going about my daily life.

Once you know how to do it on purpose, it's easy to do it in the moment. I don't feel like I really need to actively meditate -- I habitually focus on my breathing, and re-center myself all day long.

I may not get to Nirvana this way, but it makes my day easier, and that's all that I was looking for.

Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by hellofunk on Friday February 19, 2016 @05:39AM (#11132744)
1.5 hours per day is a very impressive accomplishment. Even some serious gurus don't pull that off on a daily basis. I've read about legendary artists who considered meditation a key to their sanity, and they often couldn't do it for more than 15-20 minutes in a day.

You are actually able to do proper meditation -- the removal of all focus on thoughts -- for 1.5 hours at a time? Or do you mean several times a day, a few minutes each time?

Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by mrpetrick on Friday February 19, 2016 @12:51PM (#11135100)
I posit that no one is really able to achieve, 'the removal of all focus on thoughts -- for 1.5 hours at a time' every day. Even serious gurus. This is not at all my own observation, this is what I've heard directly from longtime teachers from several different traditions.
Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by westoncb on Friday February 19, 2016 @01:24PM (#11135378)
I only mean that I sit and /attempt/ (i.e. /not/ attempt :P) for 1.5 hours/day.
Re:How Meditation Changes the Brain and Body by mrpetrick on Friday February 19, 2016 @03:22PM (#11136338)
Oh, yeah, I know what you mean. I certainly wasn't saying you're NOT meditating for 1.5 hours a day. Just was trying to convey that when most people meditate for 90 minutes, they're tend to spend some portion of that session utterly distracted by something, even if only briefly. Or so I've been led to believe. It's certainly true for me.

I was more responding to hellofunk when they said "1.5 hours per day is a very impressive accomplishment. Even some serious gurus don't pull that off on a daily basis." This make me think that meditation is viewed as something you can check a box for, or as a goal to be achieved, which isn't really quite right.

Particularly the use of the word 'accomplishment'... If meditation is something to be accomplished, then if you thought about that noise your transition is making on steep hills for 60 seconds in the middle of a sit, you got distracted, and thus you did not successfully meditate today. I don't view it that way.