Re:Neki
by gk1 on Thursday September 10, 2026 @12:23PM
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Folks, in your launch posts remember to describe what you're launching and what it's for. Ideally in the opening paragraph.
- Intro: Explains problem but not what is Neki or what it's for.
- Why Neki: Explains alternatives and why they suck but not what is Neki or what it's for.
- How does Neki work: Describes the technical components but not what is Neki or what it's for.
- What you get beyond sharding: Explains how to run/deploy but not what is Neki or what it's for.
- What is a platform preview + Try Neki today: 140 words on the definition of "preview" and links to get started... but not what is Neki or what it's for.
Edit: The landing page has 100x more useful information up front -> https://neki.dev/
Edit #2: They've since added a "What is Neki" section. Good reaction time.
Re:Neki
by dwb on Thursday September 10, 2026 @01:45PM
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The landing page which is linked at the start of the second sentence of this page…? I don’t completely disagree with you, but this is mostly hypertext working as intended, is it not?
Re:Neki
by fastball on Thursday September 10, 2026 @02:06PM
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Yeah this meta commentary on HN is very confusing for me. The structure of the article is literally
- short paragraph saying "we launched neki"
- short paragraph saying why neki was needed
- paragraphs about what neki is (with a header)
That seems like a very reasonable structure for a blog post like this one. Not being able to get to the third paragraph of a blog post seems like a "you" problem, not a blog problem.
Re:Neki
by entrope on Friday September 11, 2026 @02:27AM
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Why "sadly"? The person writing a link should provide enough detail for readers to figure out whether they should follow the link. I rolled my eyes the first time I saw this entry on HN because it just said "Neki" and the (generic) target domain name. A two-word description got added, and that makes it interesting instead.
Re:Neki
by simonw on Friday September 11, 2026 @09:04AM
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It's sad because I think links are the best thing about the web, and it's increasingly clear to me that many internet users either misunderstand or actively avoid them.
Why do people post screenshots of an article on social media instead of linking to it?
Sometimes ignorance, but often because the web is such a hostile experience these days - paywalls and subscribe banners and cookie warnings and slow pages.
Re:Neki
by ahoka on Friday September 11, 2026 @04:08AM
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I scrolled through the landing page and even the "Get started" page and I have still no idea what is this. Is this a managed db? Something I can run myself? No idea.
Re:Neki
by arrowleaf on Thursday September 10, 2026 @01:59PM
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The first thing I want to know when looking at a distributed system is how consistency is handled, ctrl+f for "consis" on both the blog post and neki.dev has zero hits. So I can only assume it will have eventual consistency with a considerable replica lag for real-time systems.
Yet. But it’s built by the guy who created Vitess and cofounded PlanetScale, so while it doesn’t have sharding implemented at the moment I think it would be foolish to discount it. Plus it’s open source.
Re:Neki
by kelp on Thursday September 10, 2026 @05:29PM
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The PlanetScale team spent years improving Vitess with lessons learned from many different high scale customer workloads. We continue to invest in and improve Vitess. It's a substantial and growing part of our business.
Vitess today is not the Vitess of 2021. About 70% of the current codebase was written in the last five years, based on lessons we learned running it at scale.
Neki is built for Postgres from the ground up, by the engineers who did that work.
On the Multigres comparison, I'll admit we get a bit salty, mostly because "Vitess for Postgres" invites the comparison. But to date there's no public evidence of a working sharding implementation in Multigres. Their sharding design doc landed this week, and it lists cross-shard query planning and resharding execution as explicitly out of scope.
Neki does sharding today, including online resharding that switches traffic without a maintenance window. It isn't open source, but you can spin up a cluster and try it yourself.
I am on a 12 Muni right now that is plastered with a Neki ad, and I looked up neki.dev literally 10 mins ago to see what this product is about. Did they time the release of this bus ad with the launch date?
Re:Neki
by overfeed on Thursday September 10, 2026 @03:57PM
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Never heard of the guy before today, but his dickish aura (on X and in this thread) makes me not want to meet him. If I had to choose between buying from him, or some other random dude, I'll hear out the random dude first.
Re:Neki
by overfeed on Thursday September 10, 2026 @11:01PM
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Oh no, how am I ever going to avoid giving my custom to someone who has allegedly cornered the market on - checks notes - a db proxy? Give me a break.
I can think of at least 4 other ways of scaling horizontally without switching DB engines. I'd have to be mightily constrained to have this particular product as the only option.
Re:Neki
by tgma on Friday September 11, 2026 @01:09AM
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Sure, I don't doubt your ability to do so yourself. I just question your ability to trust some random unknown figure with your data if you have enough scale. That's quite different, actually.
Re:Neki
by overfeed on Friday September 11, 2026 @04:24PM
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TBF, I hadn't heard of the guy before this thread either, but I don't hang out in the unexpected-scaling-demand-with-no-infra-team circles, which appears to he the target market.
Re:Neki
by JeremyNT on Thursday September 10, 2026 @06:57PM
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Perhaps he's quite nice over zoom, but since very few of us are going to meet him in that context, the rest of us are left to judge him by what he posts. And as they say, you never get a second chance to make a first impression.
Based on what I've read so far, with his shit-talking the competition, he seems like... a bit of an asshole.
Re:Neki
by tonyhb on Thursday September 10, 2026 @02:48PM
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Sam is not an asshole. His twitter is great, he's definitely opinionated, and if you haven't had the luck of meeting him you might misread his tone as grumpy. It's not. It's sarcastic/dry humour and honest.
There's obviously more to the story than outsiders are aware, but personally it just leaves a bit of sour taste in my mouth when the tech and blog posts you guys put out are amazing.
Re:Neki
by mbesto on Thursday September 10, 2026 @02:36PM
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Did anyone say you said anything untruthful? No, they just called you an asshole. You can both be an asshole and be right.
PS - Just some advice that I learned in sales 101 early in my career...focusing on shit talking the competition generally isn't a strategy that works well.
In case you were unaware, if someone's defense against being called an asshole is to say "well nothing I said was false" they're almost certainly an asshole.
I love how the Planetscale CEO has been shitting on multigres[0], Supabase's equivalent to Neki, and gloating about how superior Neki is, and yet Neki is not even open source!
Sam, it feels like you're just playing games. It's hard to take anything you say or do seriously. Are you going to OSS this thing? Or have you decided to backpedal?
Congrats on the checks notes closed launch, I guess?
They both are characteristics of software that people consider when deciding whether to use it.
Open source being by far the more important of the two, since it means the user is more insulated by terrible corporate decisions thus making it more suitable for long term planning.
People think comments like this really bother me as if I believe that I've missed out on any dollars at all from you, as if you have the buying power or ability to drive any workloads that would in any way move the needle on my revenue.
I want to let you know that I have customers that pay PlanetScale millions of dollars and have told me they came to the product because of my Twitter account. So you will never make me feel bad about this.
who said open source has no value? I worked at GitHub for 6 years i clearly love open source.
We maintain Vitess using our company funds. Why are you going after a small company for defending itself against companies like Amazon but not criticizing the reason we have to do this.
I would love to open source Neki and I have not said we won't.
Re:Neki
by tpetry on Friday September 11, 2026 @02:26AM
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Sam is always shitting on others. For years he has been screaming how bad PostgreSQL is compared to MySQL. Until getting silent about this topic for a few months and then launching PostgreSQL support. Seems he had to realize than the market for PostgreSQL is too big to ignore.
Re:Neki
by pm90 on Friday September 11, 2026 @03:19AM
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No it isn’t normal, its just this one person. I don’t personally find this language particularly appealing, especially for a serious discussion on technology. But hey, its a free country, they’re a startup and its one way of grabbing the scarcest of resources: attention.
Re:Neki
by tedd4u on Thursday September 10, 2026 @03:39PM
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That is what the “regular” PlanetScale is all about. It uses the Vitess open source project to do write scaling through shading. It is very powerful and customizable and stable. It was built to run YouTube. Former happy user here.
Re:Neki
by kelp on Thursday September 10, 2026 @04:34PM
(#49649809)
Many of the engineers who built Neki also worked on Vitess for years. But it's a ground up new implementation designed to specifically target Postgres.
Re:Neki
by eile23 on Friday September 11, 2026 @12:26AM
(#49653553)
How are cross-shard joins and transactions handled? Are there query patterns that would require application changes despite using the same drivers and ORM?
cross shard joins break down into single shard selects, and are joined in the routers. There are some query patterns that are currently unsupported, but we are working on adding support for them. The biggest thing to keep in mind when running on a sharded database of any kind is decreasing the number of cross shard queries.
I love the offer which is running on the "PlanetScale Metal".
They claim to provide unlimited IOPS (I/O operations Per Second).
I would like to get some of these drives myself. Sounds like a technical miracle.
On the other hand claiming such miracles makes me wonder which other aspects in this are are actually a working miracle or rather a mythos/false marketing claim.
- Intro: Explains problem but not what is Neki or what it's for.
- Why Neki: Explains alternatives and why they suck but not what is Neki or what it's for.
- How does Neki work: Describes the technical components but not what is Neki or what it's for.
- What you get beyond sharding: Explains how to run/deploy but not what is Neki or what it's for.
- What is a platform preview + Try Neki today: 140 words on the definition of "preview" and links to get started... but not what is Neki or what it's for.
Edit: The landing page has 100x more useful information up front -> https://neki.dev/
Edit #2: They've since added a "What is Neki" section. Good reaction time.
Edit: your marketing site actually has excellent marketing information.
Edit #2: They've since replaced the blog post with a link to the marketing page. Good reaction time.
- short paragraph saying "we launched neki"
- short paragraph saying why neki was needed
- paragraphs about what neki is (with a header)
That seems like a very reasonable structure for a blog post like this one. Not being able to get to the third paragraph of a blog post seems like a "you" problem, not a blog problem.
Why do people post screenshots of an article on social media instead of linking to it?
Sometimes ignorance, but often because the web is such a hostile experience these days - paywalls and subscribe banners and cookie warnings and slow pages.
That's sad.
If you know that to be true and still add your links everywhere ("helping"), isn't this a spammer's confession?
Vitess today is not the Vitess of 2021. About 70% of the current codebase was written in the last five years, based on lessons we learned running it at scale.
Neki is built for Postgres from the ground up, by the engineers who did that work.
On the Multigres comparison, I'll admit we get a bit salty, mostly because "Vitess for Postgres" invites the comparison. But to date there's no public evidence of a working sharding implementation in Multigres. Their sharding design doc landed this week, and it lists cross-shard query planning and resharding execution as explicitly out of scope.
Neki does sharding today, including online resharding that switches traffic without a maintenance window. It isn't open source, but you can spin up a cluster and try it yourself.
Found this from neki.dev.
If you have such luxuries, I bet you don't have enough scale to be really profitable for him.
I can think of at least 4 other ways of scaling horizontally without switching DB engines. I'd have to be mightily constrained to have this particular product as the only option.
Based on what I've read so far, with his shit-talking the competition, he seems like... a bit of an asshole.
They build good stuff and care.
(I'm a paying PS customer)
https://x.com/samlambert/status/2098075451373834681?s=20
PS - Just some advice that I learned in sales 101 early in my career...focusing on shit talking the competition generally isn't a strategy that works well.
"You're not wrong Walter, you're just an asshole." - The Dude
Only petty people can hold that view.
No one accused you of dishonesty.
Sam, it feels like you're just playing games. It's hard to take anything you say or do seriously. Are you going to OSS this thing? Or have you decided to backpedal?
Congrats on the checks notes closed launch, I guess?
0: https://github.com/multigres/multigres
Open source being by far the more important of the two, since it means the user is more insulated by terrible corporate decisions thus making it more suitable for long term planning.
Their CEO always immediately comes in and makes a fool out of himself. He is what you get when you mix narcissism and being a midwit.
Unlike you, probably, if we're slinging unfounded accusations.
A remarkable own goal given that if they'd literally held their tongue, I'd be at worst indifferent.
I want to let you know that I have customers that pay PlanetScale millions of dollars and have told me they came to the product because of my Twitter account. So you will never make me feel bad about this.
Commerical open source is fine. It's nobody else's fault if you raised too much to make it work sustainably.
Sad to see this coming from a company that was itself built on the foundation of an open-source project like Vitess.
We maintain Vitess using our company funds. Why are you going after a small company for defending itself against companies like Amazon but not criticizing the reason we have to do this.
I would love to open source Neki and I have not said we won't.
> When we are ready we will release Neki as an open source project suitable for running the most demanding Postgres workloads.
Has this changed?
https://web.archive.org/web/20260516145550/https://planetsca...
https://web.archive.org/web/20260910204345/https://planetsca...
Just launch the product and let it speak for itself. The constant need to take shots at competitors comes across as pretty childish.
- PgDog is open source
- It runs anywhere, not just your cloud
- It's built for Postgres, not a MySQL pivot
I wonder how the performance will be, but I can just rewrite everything in Rust.
And now planetscale have made a Vitess like equivalent for Postgres which they have made proprietary
Google is big enough to survive open-sourcing Vitess, k8s, angular, etc. Planetscale isn't.
That Youtube built. I know at the time Youtube was already part of Google but I don't think of Vitess as a Google Stack.
Apparently not.
However we have a whole team working to improve Postgres and we always prefer to contribute those efforts to the Postgres community.
They claim to provide unlimited IOPS (I/O operations Per Second).
I would like to get some of these drives myself. Sounds like a technical miracle.
On the other hand claiming such miracles makes me wonder which other aspects in this are are actually a working miracle or rather a mythos/false marketing claim.
I think this is marketroid for “we don’t limit them” not a statement about physics