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Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by simonw on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @12:30PM (#46529364)
Key comment is this one: https://github.com/tailwindlabs/tailwindcss.com/pull/2388#is...

> [...] the reality is that 75% of the people on our engineering team lost their jobs here yesterday because of the brutal impact AI has had on our business. And every second I spend trying to do fun free things for the community like this is a second I'm not spending trying to turn the business around and make sure the people who are still here are getting their paychecks every month. [...]

> Traffic to our docs is down about 40% from early 2023 despite Tailwind being more popular than ever. The docs are the only way people find out about our commercial products, and without customers we can't afford to maintain the framework.

Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by meken on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @02:39PM (#46531414)
Thanks for that - the GitHub app “helpfully” collapsed this comment (along with most of the others in the thread), so I was confused how the headline related to this issue.
Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by simlevesque on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @12:35PM (#46529451)
So happy I didn't rely on Tailwind.

Stop trying to monetize everything.

Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by zeusly on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @12:51PM (#46529748)
Very ironic, seeing that you asked this a few years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14815126
Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by simlevesque on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @12:54PM (#46529793)
I didn't ask how to do a bait and switch to offer a good free product and later ask for more money or else I'm going to make it worse. But I guess nuance is hard to understand.

Also it's always funny when someone tries to look up your past instead of giving convincing arguments.

Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by jstummbillig on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @01:11PM (#46530118)
Arguments for... somebody wanting to get paid for their work? What are you doing?
Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by simlevesque on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @01:15PM (#46530190)
Normally you ask for payment upfront, not years after.
Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by jstummbillig on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @01:52PM (#46530752)
Who got asked to pay years after...? After what?

Best read: You are confusing different products. Somebody can do two things and get paid for only one of them.

Worst read: You are really trying to confuse them.

Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by patates on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @01:54PM (#46530788)
Nobody is asked for money years after they started using Tailwind. Nobody is being asked for money now, when they start using Tailwind.
Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by orthecreedence on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @01:59PM (#46530873)
So fork and offer your better free version. Holy fuck. What's with this persistent attitude that open source creators should slave away for free forever?

Either you support an economy where everyone gets a meager living wage just for existing and then once that's established you can complain about people trying to make money off open source, or you say "capitalism as it exists is great" and swallow the fact that people who you don't pay don't work for you. Which is it?

Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by doganugurlu on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @02:19PM (#46531138)
Once you give it for free, you must work for free forever!

/s

Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by w4yai on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @04:49PM (#46533501)
Please, just admit you're wrong. It's ok.
Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by wongarsu on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @03:17PM (#46531944)
But nobody is making tailwind worse. After closing this PR it is exactly as good as it was before the PR was opened
Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by bkorte on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @01:25PM (#46530352)
There is no bait and switch and it's ridiculous to suggest there is.

They have a free product and a paid product. They've used the documentation as an awareness channel for the paid product. The paid product influences and pays for the free product. A tail as old as time.

They're not asking you to buy the paid product and they're not saying they are going to make it worse. Did you even read thread? He literally says "I totally see the value in the feature and I would like to find a way to add it."

Not prioritizing it now does not make the product worse, it just doesn't make it better in this particular way today.

How is this hard to understand?

Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by harryday on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @01:57PM (#46530844)
> A tail as old as time.

Eggcorn klaxon!

Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by krainboltgreene on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @01:09PM (#46530084)
Here's a convincing argument: Pay me for some of my labor or you stop getting labor at all.
Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by simlevesque on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @01:12PM (#46530123)
Don't tell me you're giving me something for free in the first place then. It's simple.
Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by patates on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @01:59PM (#46530872)
This attitude really tires open source maintainers enormously. They are not allowed to earn money connected to the thing they are giving away for free?

I know there may have been some weird stuff going on lately (nginx, redis, etc.) but this is not one of them.

It's okay to be confused, but please do not continue this.

Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by sb8244 on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @03:33PM (#46532192)
This breaks down because Tailwind is not monetized, is completely free, and hasn't indicated it won't be.

There is a corporate side with other features that has never been free. I pay for it because it's great.

I'm not sure if you're purposefully misstating it at this point or not. Several people have corrected you and you seem to double down incorrectly each time.

Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by delfinom on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @04:47PM (#46533457)
That's not a bait and switch my dude, lmao. Bait and switch only applies when the initial price is something other than $0 but still low.
Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by lloydatkinson on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @04:36PM (#46533284)
Did you really go looking over years of their post history for this retort?
Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by hitekker on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @08:36PM (#46535949)
GP could have remembered simlevesque's past posts and then just double-checked.

The hypocrisy the GP noticed is strong enough to warrant a mention.

Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by lloydatkinson on Thursday January 08, 2026 @05:09AM (#46539319)
Bit of a stretch to remember a random post from 9 years ago though
Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by tomhow on Thursday January 08, 2026 @05:45AM (#46539538)
Please don't post dunks like this here. HN is for curious conversation and the guidelines ask us to be kind. We have no idea whether the thing they had in mind when they asked that question 8 years ago is relevant to what they think about the current topic. You could ask them rather than piling on like this.
Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by nullorempty on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @12:37PM (#46529494)
hm, families need to eat.
Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by hiQloIQ on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @12:59PM (#46529893)
I like how we recognize this necessity to our biology but commit everyone to Hunger Games-lite performative, fiat (by decree alone), economics due to lack of political action in the face of some walking dead politicians who can't get through a day or week without handfuls of pills, they're that pathetic.

We are a deeply unserious society.

Anyway; good luck going viral online, everyone. I got lucky, have had generational wealth in my back pocket since birth, am off the hook for you by our social norms. Hopefully it works out for you because I and the rest of us won't be engaged in political action on your behalf. Dance for the organ!

Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by whateveracct on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @01:37PM (#46530556)
okay, get a job
Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by simlevesque on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @12:42PM (#46529585)
Then why is HTTP, CSS and HTML free ? It's creators need to eat too. Should they start charging for it ?
Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by 00deadbeef on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @12:56PM (#46529830)
Tailwind CSS is free and funded by extras like Tailwind Plus.

HTML and CSS are free to use but the W3C is funded by membership fees.

Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by hashhar on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @01:14PM (#46530168)
Which of those are evolving at the rate of frameworks?

BTW I'm of the opinion that frontend tooling developers should actually try to contribute things to HTML and CSS instead of building "component libraries" on top of them.

If the native controls were good and if the browsers allowed using "uniformly styled" versions of them then there would be no good reason for such libraries to exist.

Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by robinhood on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @01:27PM (#46530387)
Your comments in this thread are terrible, all of them. You are part of the reason why working on open source projects is so hard for people who obviously want to do good in this world. Check Adam's work: his work has been a net positive for the OSS community. Go spread your poison and nasty comments elsewhere please.
Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by romanhn on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @02:39PM (#46531408)
As someone who paid for a lifetime license of Tailwind UI, unlike, I strongly suspect, simlevesque - I 100% agree with this. The negativity is completely uncalled for, please take this somewhere else and do some self-reflection.
Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by ksec on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @02:54PM (#46531638)
> Go spread your poison and nasty comments elsewhere please.

I have been on HN since 2008, his comment is by far the worst encounter ever in my memory. The sense of entitlement, not only in one comment by literally every single one of them in this thread and despite all the explanation he still believes he is right.

And to top it off he manage to drag HTML and CSS standards into it.

Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by gizzlon on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @12:53PM (#46529785)
eeeh.. those are standards, not products.
Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by simonw on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @12:41PM (#46529542)
WTF?

So your answer to "how should open source projects achieve financial sustainability" is "don't even try"?

Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by simlevesque on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @12:45PM (#46529633)
When you start making your open source project worse for your users because you are not making enough out of it I'll choose to use something else.

There's a point where it's too much and it just feels like a trojan horse when later you stop caring for your free users.

Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by katdork on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @01:18PM (#46530230)
I think the part you're missing here is that the author here is under no requirement to accept changes to their project and everyone else is welcome to fork it if they disagree with choices made by the author.

The author did not in fact, make the project worse, all they did was not accept a change, and that is entirely different than making it worse.

Even those who stood to benefit from the change have not received a degraded experience in comparison to the current state of affairs, but the same experience as the current state of affairs, since no change occurred. It is truly within the author's rights to do this, in any case.

One should avoid a sense of entitlement to additional and ever-increasing quantities of free work when free work has already been done.

Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by worik on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @01:48PM (#46530708)
> all they did was not accept a change,

A change to make the documentation easier for LLM scrapers to inhale.

What would be the point? It would, in no way, improve anything. Probably not even for LLMs.

I am astounded the gentleman responded at all. I think all the talk of money (whilst urgent and catastrophic) is a red herring

Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by katdork on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @07:44PM (#46535486)
For sure, yeah.
Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by Someone1234 on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @12:56PM (#46529837)
I notice that you didn't answer their question: How should OSS be funded?
Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by simlevesque on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @01:00PM (#46529913)
Ethically
Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by simonw on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @01:01PM (#46529930)
What's the ethically bad thing Tailwind did here? Not merging that pull request?
Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by simlevesque on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @01:05PM (#46530003)
I'd feel lied to if someone offers me a free tool and later the person that controls it chooses to make it worse just to make more money.

I got bit by that many times and do my best to avoid it but when it happens it's a stab in the back.

Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by roblabla on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @01:25PM (#46530344)
At what point did they make it _worse_? Tailwind didn't remove any existing functionality here. What they did was refuse to merge a PR while they're trying to figure out how to navigate a difficult financial problem, all while being fully transparent about what's going on, and saying that they're open to merging the PR if/when they manage to get things together.

This is very different from, say, the minio situation, where they were actively removing feature before finally closing development down entirely. Whether tailwind will end up going down this route, time will tell. But as of right now, I find this reading to be quite uncharitable.

Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by FootballMuse on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @02:39PM (#46531419)
It's not even funcationality to the library code, it's a PR to their docs. If you just want optimized docs for your LLM to consume, isn't that what [Context7](https://context7.com/websites/tailwindcss) already has? Why force this new responsibility to the maintainer.
Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by ksec on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @02:41PM (#46531449)
So which part did he make it worst?

By not adding an extra "feature" you deemed as essential?

Even more surprising is this is from an 2012 account.

Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by Twirrim on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @02:31PM (#46531303)
How, exactly, have they made Tailwind worse just to make more money? Point to specifics, please.
Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by doganugurlu on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @02:23PM (#46531196)
Did they send you an email or call you? I doubt it.

You found their homepage. You found that they didn’t ask for money, and allowed you to use their product for free. You decided to use it.

And now, they’re liars. How dare they try to make money?

Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by gervwyk on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @04:26PM (#46533117)
Please let us know if you launch this open source project, we’d all be excited to use it!
Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by elaus on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @02:38PM (#46531403)
You keep repeating that he makes his project worse – an active action – while in fact he did not do anything at all, he just refused to change something.
Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by eudamoniac on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @06:51PM (#46535006)
The answer to "how should free things make money" is to not make them free. Any counterexamples are very fortunate. I don't know why people insist on giving away things for free while they actually desire to make money from those things. If the thing is valuable enough, someone will pay for it. Else...not
Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by asadkn on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @12:59PM (#46529892)
You're existing in hyper-capitalism. So yes big surprise, people need to make money.
Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by tomhow on Thursday January 08, 2026 @05:51AM (#46539575)
Please don't fulminate or post flame bait on HN. This low-effort comment started just the kind of flamewar we're trying to avoid on HN. Please take a moment to read the guidelines and make an effort to observe them. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

We detached this comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46529364 and marked it off topic.

Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by simlevesque on Friday January 09, 2026 @05:02PM (#46560007)
Sorry I honestly didn't anticipate my opinions to be so divisive and this outcome wasn't my intention. I'll do better.

Could you delete my comments too ? Thank you

Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by baxtr on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @04:37PM (#46533295)
That traffic is down can have at least two separate AI related causes:

1) Lower amount of impressions on the google search pages due to the AI answers

2) Lower amount of searches since people are using code generators

I wonder which one it is primarily.

Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by ibejoeb on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @06:01PM (#46534475)
>The docs are the only way people find out about our commercial products

Wall that's the problem, and it's tractable problem. Seems like tailwind needs a sales strategy beyond hoping people read the docs. And that it gives rise to a perverse incentive--making a less intuitive product to drive the need for documentation--is bound to affect the product.

If LLMs are really the problem, and it seems possible that they are, then you might need to lean in. Maybe selling access to mcps and skills. I'd still bet on hiring someone to chase down some contracts is going to be the easiest way out of the hole though.

Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by teaearlgraycold on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @06:18PM (#46534655)
Agreed. If Tailwind could give you a paid subscription to a service that plugs into your agent and will recommend component compositions, styles, etc. (basically how those web app generators companies work but targeted at experienced devs) they have a chance to survive the transition.
Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by ibejoeb on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @07:01PM (#46535110)
Presumably the MCP could also be aware of the commercial products, which ought to coax the agent to apply those patterns. That'd be more useful than actually have the library.

This isn't novel either. Expo offers an MCP with its paid subscription, for instance. It's helpful. In fact, I wish the tamagui crew would get on that...

Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by TiredOfLife on Thursday January 08, 2026 @04:21PM (#46546655)
Tailwind can be made less intuitive?
Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by kelnos on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @09:25PM (#46536392)
I feel like if their docs are their only funnel into their commercial product, they need to fire their marketing staff and find people who are competent. There are so many other ways they could be reaching potential customers, even those only familiar with Tailwind's free product.
Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by esperent on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @10:00PM (#46536651)
> There are so many other ways they could be reaching potential customers

Like what, exactly, now that most people interact with tailwind purely via AI agents?

I started work on a front end project React/Astro/Tailwind project for the first time in about a year, building out with CLI agents, and one things that's changed compared to a year ago is that I have the entire UI basically working and I haven't even looked at the tailwind classes. I just say yes that's fine but can you improve the width for the sidebar on mobile (obviously paraphrasing here, I write the requirements for the agent carefully) and within a couple of iterations it's working. I keep expecting to have to jump in to manually fix things but so far I haven't needed to.

I worked in FE for years and I know tailwind and CSS quite deeply. But the entire extent of what I've needed to know for this project so far can be summed up as "it's some kind of styling tool". I never had to look at the docs, I never went to their website, or or Twitter or anywhere else that might have worked for marketing.

I did make an informed decision in choosing this stack, but it's equally likely that the AI could have recommended it to me, and the AI entirely set up the project scaffolding and config for me.

So where in this could they possibly have marketed paid components to me? And even if they did, why would I have paid for them when Shadcn is free and was added automatically by the AI?

Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by ben_w on Thursday January 08, 2026 @05:29AM (#46539448)
> I did make an informed decision in choosing this stack, but it's equally likely that the AI could have recommended it to me, and the AI entirely set up the project scaffolding and config for me.

I'm not a web dev, I've heard of Tailwind CSS but my actual knowledge is "I know what the CSS in that name means, therefore it's some kind of styling tool".

One of my experiments before Christmas with Claude Code, was to see what it does in pure vibe-coding mode, where I just say "yes" and then see what kind of mess (if any) it made.

It did not use Tailwind CSS. There was a lot of… if a human had done it I'd say "copy-paste" CSS, but I think it just regenerated it all fresh each time rather than actually using the pasteboard? And it was raw CSS, no dependencies that I noticed.

Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by stephenson on Thursday January 08, 2026 @03:03AM (#46538527)
What marketing staff?
Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by orangepanda on Thursday January 08, 2026 @03:34AM (#46538725)
> they need to fire their marketing staff

Sounds like they did just that. Ereyesterday.

Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by heavyset_go on Thursday January 08, 2026 @05:41AM (#46539512)
They maintained professional etiquette in their marketing and I don't blame them. If you annoy people, they will not recommend you.

I've watched open source projects get lambasted because their developers dared to make a buck. Being conservative with their marketing is what is expected of them even if it isn't fair.