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Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by dekhn on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @05:49PM (#45509347)
Many years ago I was sitting at a red light on a secondary road, where the primary cross road was idle. It seemed like you could solve this using a computer vision camera system that watched the primary road and when it was idle, would expedite the secondary road's green light.

This was long before computer vision was mature enough to do anything like that and I found out that instead, there are magnetic systems that can detect cars passing over - trivial hardware and software - and I concluded that my approach was just far too complicated and expensive.

Similarly, when I look at computers, I typically want the ML/AI system to operate on a structured data that is codified for computer use. But I guess the world is complicated enough and computers got fast enough that having an AI look at a computer screen and move/click a mouse makes sense.

Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by chrisfosterelli on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @06:49PM (#45509924)
Ironically now that computer vision is commonplace, the cameras you talk about have become increasingly popular over the years because the magnetic systems do not do a very good job of detecting cyclists and the cameras double as a congestion monitoring tool for city staff.
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by y0eswddl on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @07:33PM (#45510294)
and soon/now triple as surveillance.
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by VirgilShelton on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @07:49PM (#45510395)
I never understood the worry about being surveilled, I have nothing to hide and could care less if a camera watches me 24/7.
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by slashdev on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @08:03PM (#45510473)
Until the politicians want to come after you for posts you make on HN, or any other infraction they decide is now an issue.

History is littered with the literal bones of people who thought they had nothing to fear from the state. The state is not your friend, and is not looking out for you.

Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by serf on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @07:56PM (#45510443)
go watch any movie about a panopticon for the (overdiscussed) side-effects of a surveillance state.

Fiction works, but if you want to spend the evening depressed then go for any East/West Germany (true) stories.

For it or against surveillance and I can understand, but just not understanding the issue? No excuses -- personal surveillance for the sake of the state is one of the most discussed social concepts in the world.

Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by ericd on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @10:21PM (#45511352)
The Lives of Others is a great one about the Stasi.
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by BlaDeKke on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @07:55PM (#45510436)
I don’t have a problem with the camera as much as with the system behind it.
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by insamniac on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @07:53PM (#45510416)
Nothing to hide for now.
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by DonHopkins on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @08:01PM (#45510461)
RTSP feed please!
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by alvah on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @08:19PM (#45510590)
The number of people who cling to this view is frankly astonishing. History books are still a thing, right?
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by drumttocs8 on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @08:29PM (#45510633)
You have nothing to hide given the current, reasonable definition of crime.

What if that changes?

Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by CamperBob2 on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @08:35PM (#45510684)
You have no idea if you have anything to hide or not. It's not your call, and never has been.

https://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent/dp...

Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by reaperducer on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @08:39PM (#45510707)
I have nothing to hide

Great! Then you don't mind telling us your email password!

Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by hn_go_brrrrr on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @10:48PM (#45511523)
Presumably not. Whether he has any acts to keep secret is not relevant to whether he'd like to have any money left in his bank account tomorrow.
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by SXX on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @08:45PM (#45510750)
You have nothing to hide until you automatically marked for whatever and then judged also automatically by a buggy hallucinating AI overlord.

Might be because pattern on your face or T-shirt match something bad.

And this kind of stuff already happened in UK even before "AI craze". Hundreds of people been imprisoned because of faulty accounting system:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Post_Office_scandal

"Computer says you go to prison"!

Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by dang on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @11:43PM (#45511835)
Please don't rewrite your comment like this once it has replies. It deprives the replies of their original context, making the thread less readable.
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by Spooky23 on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @09:48PM (#45511166)
Those cameras aren’t usually easily or cheaply adapted to surveillance. Most are really simple and don’t have things like reliable time sync. Also, road jurisdictions are really complex and surveillance requires too much coordination. State, county, town, city all have different bureaucratic processes and funding models.

Surveillance is all about Flock. The feds are handing out grants to everyone, and the police drop the things everywhere. They can locate cars, track routine trips, and all sorts of creepy stuff.

Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by khm on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @11:53PM (#45511881)
In my city, cameras for traffic light control are on almost every signalized intersection, and the video is public record and frequently used to review collisions. These cameras are extremely cheaply and easily adapted to surveillance. Public records are public records statewide.
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by gxs on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @11:30PM (#45511768)
With all due respect, you are kidding yourself if you think those cameras aren’t used for surveillance/ logging

They don’t have to be “adapted” to surveillance - they are made with that in mind

Obviously older generations of equipment aren’t included here - so technically you may be correct for old/outdated equipment installed areas that aren’t of interest

Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by apwell23 on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @07:55PM (#45510431)
> the cameras you talk about have become increasingly popular over the years

cameras are being used to detect traffic and change lights? i don't think thats happening in USA.

which country are you referring to here?

Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by chrisfosterelli on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @08:03PM (#45510477)
Yes. I can't speak to the USA, as I'm from Canada, but I've had conversations with traffic engineers from another city about it and increasingly seen them in my own city. Here's an example of one of the systems: https://www.iteris.com/oursolutions/pedestrian-cyclist-safet...

They're obviously more common in higher density areas with better cycling infrastructure. The inductive loops are effectively useless with carbon fibre bicycles especially, so these have been a welcome change. But from what I was told these also are more effective for vehicle traffic than the induction loops as drivers often come to a stop too far back to be detected, plus these also allow conditional behaviour based on the number of vehicles waiting and their lanes (which can all be changed without ripping up the road).

Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by apwell23 on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @07:33AM (#45514935)
> seen them in my own city.

how can you tell that the cameras you are looking at are changing lights? is there an indication on them?

Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by chrisfosterelli on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @12:00PM (#45517610)
Some of them do, if you look at the link I shared it shows an example of one of the indicators in use in my area. But you can usually tell anyway. You don't think about it as much in a vehicle but on my bike you get used to how each intersection triggers. Sometimes I have to edge forward into the intersection to let a car come up behind me and cover the loop, sometimes I have to come out of the bike lane into the vehicle lane, some intersections have ones that are set sensitive enough to pick up a bike with alloy wheels but not carbon wheels, some of them require cyclists to press a button, some have cameras, etc.

For e.g. there was one intersection way out of town that would always have a decent amount of main-way traffic but barely any cross traffic and had no pedestrian crossing. I would always get stuck there hoping a car comes up behind me, or trying to play chicken across the main-way moving at highway speeds. I assume someone complained as it's a popular cyclist route, because they put in a camera and now that intersection detects me reliably, no issues there since then.

Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by itsmartapuntocm on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @08:04PM (#45510483)
They’re extremely common in the U.S. now.
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by apwell23 on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @08:07PM (#45510495)
any data to share ? i've never seen one in chicago. google tells me its <1%. maybe i am not using right keywords.
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by evardlo on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @09:05PM (#45510879)
There are hundreds in Chicago:

https://deflock.me

Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by kortilla on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @09:30PM (#45511057)
Those are not for traffic signal alteration
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by mh- on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @09:04PM (#45510868)
Traffic cameras, yes. Traffic cameras that are used to influence traffic signaling? I've never (knowingly) seen one in the US.

What US cities have these?

Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by dgacmu on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @10:19PM (#45511340)
We have one here as part of a CMU research deployment: https://www.transportation.gov/utc/surtrac-people-upgrading-...

> The system applies artificial intelligence to traffic signals equipped with cameras or radars adapting in realtime to dynamic traffic patterns of complex urban grids, experienced in neighborhoods like East Liberty in the City of Pittsburgh

Now, that said, I have serious issues with that system: It seemed heavily biased to vehicle throughput over pedestrians, and it's not at all clear that it was making the right long-term choice as far as the incentives it created. But it _was_ cameras watching traffic to influence signaling.

https://www.transportation.gov/utc/surtrac-people-upgrading-...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalable_Urban_Traffic_Control

Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by mh- on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @10:20PM (#45511347)
Interesting, thanks!
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by itsmartapuntocm on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @07:00PM (#45521594)
I see them everywhere in Metro Atlanta. You can tell because there’s what looks like a little camera above each direction facing traffic light.
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by mh- on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @07:05PM (#45521632)
If you're talking about the ones I think you are, those are preemption signal devices [0] for emergency vehicles.

[0]: https://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/publications/fhwahop08024/chapter9....

Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by itsmartapuntocm on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @09:01PM (#45522307)
No these aren’t optical sensors like those, they’re full blown cameras.

Cobb County at least on their website says they use camera sensors as well as buried induction loops.

Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by ssl-3 on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @11:37PM (#45511803)
It's been happening in the USA for quite a long time.

Anecdotally, the small city I grew up in, in Ohio (USA), started using cameras and some kind of computer vision to operate traffic signals 15 or 20 years ago, replacing inductive loops.

I used to hang out sometimes with one of the old-timers who dealt with it as part of his long-time street department job. I asked him about that system once (over a decade ago now) over some drinks.

"It doesn't fuckin' work," I remember him flatly telling me before he quite visibly wanted to talk about anything other than his day job.

The situation eventually improved -- presumably, as bandwidth and/or local processing capabilities have also improved. It does pretty well these days when I drive through there, and the once-common inductive loops (with their tell-tale saw kerfs in the asphalt) seem to have disappeared completely.

(And as a point of disambiguation: They are just for controlling traffic lights. There have never been any speed or red light cameras in that city. And they're distinctly separate from traffic preemption devices, like the Opticom system that this city has used for an even longer time.)

---

As a non-anecdotal point of reference, I'd like to present an article from ~20 years ago about a system in a different city in the US that was serving a similar function at that time:

https://www.toacorn.com/articles/traffic-cameras-are-not-spy...

Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by jacobtomlinson on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @07:22AM (#45514861)
Your comment flows with the grace of a Stephen King novel. Did you write it with an LLM by any chance?
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by ssl-3 on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @02:19PM (#45519042)
That's something that I've heard that many times before. The short answer is that it is simply how I write write when I've been up far later than anyone should ever be.

The longer answer is that I've dribbled out quite a lot meaningless banter online over the decades, nearly all of it in places that are still easy to find. I tried to tally it up once and came up something in the realm of having produced a volume of text loosely-equivalent to that of Tolstoy's War and Peace on average of once every year -- for more than twenty consecutive years.

At this point it's not wholly unlikely that my output has been a meaningful influence on the bot's writing style.

Or... not. But it's fun to think about.

---

We can play around with that concept if we want:

> concoct a heady reply to jacobtomlinson confessing and professing that the LLM was in fact, trained primarily on my prose.

Jacob,

I’ll confess: the LLM in question was, in fact, trained primarily on my personal body of prose. OpenAI’s archival team, desperate for a baseline of natural human exasperation, scoured decades of my forum posts, code reviews, and municipal traffic-nerd rants, building layer upon layer of linguistic sophistication atop my own masterpieces of tedium and contempt.

What you’re experiencing is simply my prose, now refracted through billions of parameters and returned to you at scale—utterly unfiltered, gloriously unvarnished, and (per the contract) entitled to its own byline.

The grace is all mine.

Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by baby_souffle on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @12:14AM (#45511996)
> cameras are being used to detect traffic and change lights? i don't think thats happening in USA.

Has been for the better part of a decade. Google `Iteris Vantage` and you will see some of the detection systems.

Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by apwell23 on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @07:37AM (#45514967)
hard to tell if this is actually being used.
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by knowaveragejoe on Thursday October 09, 2025 @11:59AM (#45529532)
I recognize those exact cameras and I know they work, at least on some small intersections near me. I also know some intersections without them that operate on a timer.
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by baby_souffle on Thursday October 09, 2025 @12:30PM (#45529951)
> hard to tell if this is actually being used.

They are _very_ expensive so if you see one deployed, it's almost certainly not just a mere decoration for the traffic signal.

Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by dheera on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @02:55PM (#45519373)
In California they usually use magnetic sensors on the road, so that usually means cyclists are forced to run red lights because the lights never turn green for them, or wait until a car comes and triggers the sensor and "saves" them.
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by rkomorn on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @02:56PM (#45519394)
Not sure about the technical reason, but as someone who's spent a lot of time on a bicycle in the Bay Area, I can at least confirm the lights typically didn't change just for cyclists.
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by __MatrixMan__ on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @01:08AM (#45512282)
Sadly, most signal controllers are still using firmware that is not trajectory aware, so rather than reporting the speed and distance of an oncoming vehicle, these vision systems just emulate a magnetic loop by flipping a 0 to a 1 to indicate mere presence rather than passing along the richer data that they have.
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by dktp on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @06:23PM (#45509681)
I cycle a lot. Outdoors I listen to podcasts and the fact that I can say "Hey Google, go back 30sec" to relisten to something (or forward to skip ads) is very valuable to me.

Indoors I tend to cast some show or youtube video. Often enough I want to change the Youtube video or show using voice commands - I can do this for Youtube, but results are horrible unless I know exactly which video I want to watch. For other services it's largely not possible at all

In a perfect world Google would provide superb APIs for these integrations and all app providers would integrate it and keep it up to date. But if we can bypass that and get good results across the board - I would find it very valuable

I understand this is a very specific scenario. But one I would be excited about nonetheless

Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by Macha on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @07:09PM (#45510098)
Do you have a lot of dedicated cycle ways? I'm not sure I'd want to have headphones impeding my hearing anywhere I'd have to interact with cars or pedestrians while on my bike.
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by Hasnep on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @07:29PM (#45510258)
Lots of noise cancelling headphones have a pass-through mode that lets you hear the outside world. Alternatively, I use bone conducting headphones that leave my ears uncovered.
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by apwell23 on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @07:56PM (#45510440)
yes i bike on chicago lakefront up and down is like 40 miles for me.

also biking on roads you should never count on sounds to guide you. you should always use vision. for example, making a left you have to visually establish that driver coming straight has made eye contact with you or atleast looked at you.

can you share a example of how you are using sound to help you ride bikes with other vehicles on the road? are you maybe talking about honking? that. you will hear over podcasts.

Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by Macha on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @08:03PM (#45510471)
The sound of a revving engine is often the first warning you have that someone is about to pass you and especially how they handle it is a good sign of how likely they are to attempt a close pass rather than overtake in the legal manner with the minimum distance.
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by fn-mote on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @08:19PM (#45510591)
Mirrors let you see the overtaking traffic with far more time to plan.

Audio cues are less and less useful as electric vehicles become more popular. (I am a city biker and there are plenty already.)

Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by pipe2devnull on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @09:24PM (#45511026)
Also the radar for bikes is great
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by schrijver on Thursday October 09, 2025 @04:58AM (#45525201)
Mirrors are great, but most bikers don’t have them. And even then it might still be your ears that alert you that there’s a car behind you (electric or not — I still hear them), after which you can keep tabs with your mirror.

I don’t understand why everybody’s so happy to discount ears in this thread. Haven’t they been vital to our survival since forever? Yes eyes are more important in this case, but I’ll take whatever sensory aid I can get on my morning commute..

Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by fragmede on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @09:51PM (#45511184)
That doesn't work for EVs. Situational awareness is important, don't rely on any one thing,
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by Macha on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @04:32AM (#45513586)
"don't rely on one thing, but also let's reduce the number of things" is rather mixed messaging.
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by 83457 on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @10:51PM (#45511543)
Hearing is useful for safety.
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by anjel on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @09:12PM (#45510943)
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by nerdsniper on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @09:56PM (#45511219)
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by VirgilShelton on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @07:47PM (#45510388)
The best thing about being nerds like we are is we can just ignore this product since it's not for us.
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by trenchpilgrim on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @05:53PM (#45509392)
FWIW those type of traffic cameras are in common use. https://www.milesight.com/company/blog/types-of-traffic-came...
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by jlhawn on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @06:24PM (#45509695)
The camera systems are also superior from an infrastructure maintenance perspective. You can update them with new capabilities or do re-striping without tearing up the pavement.
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by dekhn on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @06:01PM (#45509469)
If I read the web page, they don't actually use that as a solution to shortening a red - IMHO that has a very high safety bar compared to the more common uses. But I'd be happy to hear this is something that Just Works in the Real World with a reasonable false positive and false negative rate.
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by trenchpilgrim on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @06:24PM (#45509699)
Yes they do, it's listed under Traffic Sensor Cameras.
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by yunyu on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @06:24PM (#45509692)
There is a lot of pretraining data available around screen recordings and mouse movements (Loom, YouTube, etc). There is much less pretraining data available around navigating accessibility trees or DOM structures. Many use cases may also need to be image aware (document scan parsing, looking at images), and keyboard/video/mouse-based models generalize to more applicants.
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by TeMPOraL on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @07:17PM (#45510161)
> But I guess the world is complicated enough and computers got fast enough that having an AI look at a computer screen and move/click a mouse makes sense.

It's not that the world is particularly complicated here - it's just that computing is a dynamic and adversarial environment. End-user automation consuming structured data is a rare occurrence not because it's hard, but because it defeats pretty much every way people make money on the Internet. AI is succeeding now because it is able to navigate the purposefully unstructured and obtuse interfaces like a person would.

Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by avereveard on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @04:19AM (#45513482)
And the race is not over yet, adversaries to automation will find way to block the last approach too, in the name of monetization
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by ge96 on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @05:52PM (#45509383)
It's funny I'll sometimes scoot forward/rock my car but I'm not sure if it's just coincidence. Also a lot of stop lights now have that tall white camera on top.
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by netghost on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @06:08PM (#45509544)
There's several mechanisms. The most common is (or at least was) a loop detector under the road that triggers when a vehicle is over it. Sometimes if you're not quite over it, or it's somewhat faulty that will trigger it.
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by Spooky23 on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @06:08PM (#45509537)
Sometimes the rocking helps with a ground loop that isn’t working well.
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by bozhark on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @05:54PM (#45509394)
Like flashing lights for the first responders sensor
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by sagarm on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @09:08PM (#45510903)
Robotic process automation isn't new.
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by alach11 on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @09:23PM (#45511017)
Computer use is the most important AI benchmark to watch if you're trying to forecast labor-market impact. You're right, there are much more effective ways for ML/AI systems to accomplish tasks on the computer. But they all have to be hand-crafted for each task. Solving the general case is more scalable.
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by poopiokaka on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @09:47PM (#45511161)
Not the current benchmarks, no. The demos in this post are so slow. Between writing the prompt, waiting a long time and checking the work I’d just rather do it myself.
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by panarky on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @11:29PM (#45511759)
It's not about being faster than you.

It's about working independently while you do other things.

Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by ssl-3 on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @12:10AM (#45511972)
And it's a neat-enough idea for repetitive tasks.

For instance: I do periodic database-level backups of a very closed-source system at work. It doesn't take much of my time, but it's annoying in its simplicity: Run this GUI Windows program, click these things, select this folder, and push the go button. The backup takes as long as it takes, and then I look for obvious signs of either completion or error on the screen sometime later.

With something like this "Computer Use" model, I can automate that process.

It doesn't matter to anyone at all whether it takes 30 seconds or 30 minutes to walk through the steps: It can be done while I'm asleep or on vacation or whatever.

I can keep tabs on it with some combination of manual and automatic review, just like I would be doing if I hired a real human to do this job on my behalf.

(Yeah, yeah. There's tons of other ways to back up and restore computer data. But this is the One, True Way that is recoverable on a blank slate in a fashion that is supported by the manufacturer. I don't get to go off-script and invent a new method here.

But a screen-reading button-clicker? Sure. I can jive with that and keep an eye on it from time to time, just as I would be doing if I hired a person to do it for me.)

Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by thewebguyd on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @10:30AM (#45516600)
Have you tried AutoHotKey for that? It can do GUI automation. Not an LLM, but you can pre-record mouse movements and clicks, I've used it a ton to automate old windows apps
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by ssl-3 on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @02:48PM (#45519316)
I've tried it previously, and I've also given up on it. I may try it again at some point.

It is worth noting that I am terrible at writing anything resembling "code" on my own. I can generally read it and follow it and understand how it does what it does, why it does that thing, and often spot when it does something that is either very stupid or very clever (or sometimes both), but producing it on a blank canvas has always been something of a quagmire from which I have been unable to escape once I tread into it.

But I can think through abstract processes of various complexities in tiny little steps, and I can also describe those steps very well in English.

Thus, it is without any sense of regret or shame that I say that the LLM era has a boon for me in terms of the things I've been able to accomplish with a computer...and that it is primarily the natural-language instructional input of this LLM "Computer Use" model that I find rather enticing.

(I'd connect the dots and use the fluencies I do have to get the bot to write a functional AHK script, but that sounds like more work than the reward of solving this periodic annoyance is worth.)

Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by redman25 on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @09:53AM (#45516244)
They could literally run 24/7 overnight assuming they eventually become good enough to not need hand holding.
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by stronglikedan on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @09:37PM (#45511106)
> I concluded that my approach was just far too complicated and expensive.

Motorcyclists would conclude that your approach would actually work.

Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by nerdsniper on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @09:55PM (#45511214)
My town solved this at night by putting simple light sensors on the traffic lights so as you approach you can flash ur brights at it and it triggers a cycle.

Otherwise the higher traffic road got a permanent green light at nighttime until it saw high beams or magnetic flux from a car reaching the intersection.

Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by pavelstoev on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @10:33PM (#45511425)
It was my first engineering job, calibrating those inductive loops and circuit boards on I-93, just north of Boston's downtown area. Here is the photo from 2006. https://postimg.cc/zbz5JQC0

PEEK controller, 56K modem, Verizon telco lines, rodents - all included in one cabinet

Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by dgs_sgd on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @11:22PM (#45511720)
It’s funny that you used traffic signals as an example of overcomplicating a problem with AI because there turns out to be a YC funded startup making AI powered traffic lights: https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/roundabout-technologie...
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by MrToadMan on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @12:27AM (#45512072)
And even funnier in that context: it’s called ‘roundabout technologies’.
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by elboru on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @11:55PM (#45511895)
I recently spent some time in a country house far enough from civilization that electric lines don’t reach. The owners could have installed some solar panels, but they opted to keep it electricity-free to disconnect from technology, or at least from electronics. They have multiple decades old ingenious utensils that work without electricity, like a fridge that uses propane, oil lamps, non-electric coffee percolator, etc. and that made me wonder, how many analogous devices stopped getting invented because an electric device is the most obvious way of solving things to our current view.
Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by seer on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @02:27AM (#45512762)
In some European countries all of this is commonplace - check out the not just bikes video on the subject - https://youtu.be/knbVWXzL4-4?si=NLTMgHiVcgyPv6dc

Detects if you are coming to the intersection and with what speed, and if there is no traffic blocking you automatically cycles the red lights so you don’t have to stop at all.

Re:Gemini 2.5 Computer Use model by rirze on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @01:09PM (#45518344)
I don't know the implementation details, but this is common in the county I live in (US). It's been in use for the last 3-5 years. The traffic lights adapt to current traffic patterns in most intersections and speed up the green light for roads that have cars.