Looking at the Reddit thread about this, there was some arguably racist stuff going on in his repo which could've been related to this suspension. I'm not sure whether this is the right way to handle such things (banning those specific repo's might be better), but it would be somewhat understandable.

Knowing literally nothing about the situation previously I don't know if github is a good arbiter of what is and what isn't considered hate speech[0]

After searching around to gather context, it would appear he was banned for writing this AI prompt (very NSFW: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1020158613093892256/1... ).

The prompt itself says nothing racist, though it's pretty disgusting in other ways, however, because it uses triple parenthesis' it was seen as anti-semetic.[1]

[0]: Github has been criticised a lot for overstepping their role for language policing, master vs main being only the most public of this controversial topic.

[1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_parentheses

EDIT: after gathering even more context, it seems like this could be unrelated entirely and that accusations of racism are potentially a red-herring, and if they are not they would be related to his skyworld mods. Seems much more likely to be related to an ongoing controversy about the use of stolen code.

That's a nice example of false accusations.

Parenthesis are used for increasing the weights of some terms. See how he uses single, double or triple parenthesis on different words. It has nothing to do with the triple parenthesis jew thing.

I have no frigging idea even triple parentheses are unspeakable now.

Just ran

  rg '\(\(\(.*\)\)\)'

in my projects directory and found many instances authored by me. Guess I should prioritize fixing these, or next time I'm the target of some controversy, someone will use these as evidence of my antisemitism.

Using multiple parens around a name is derogatory code for "this person is Jewish". Context is important.

So (((disfigured feet))) in the linked prompt means the feet are Jewish, and it's not about increasing the term weight?

Thanks, I learned something new today.

Well if there was a person called "disfigured feet" who was Jewish, and you always referred to their name in triple-parens (and for some reason you repeatedly tweeted a bunch of Jewish people, always with the triple-parens) then yes this would be an good indication that you were using it as an anti-semitic dogwhistle.

However the GP was careful to note that context is important here. I've no idea about term weights in these AI prompts, but you seem to so if varying levels of parenthesis is common to denote a weight then you can simply say so without the snark.

Context is important in theory, but it certainly didn’t stop dijit from deciding that (((disfigured feet))), which they did not quote, was “pretty disgusting”.

In this climate, it takes one Twitter personality with a lot of followers to tweet out a “look at this racist” tweet, and that’s it, you’re a racist to a huge number of people who will probably never look beyond that single tweet. Good luck convincing 20% of them that you’re in fact innocent afterwards.

Edit: Years ago when I was part of a high profile open source project, I was once privately accused of being intolerant towards trans people. It happened after I sharply criticized some trans person's backwards-incompatible PR (which later proved to be pretty bad after being merged despite objections). I had no idea of the person's gender before the accusation, nor did I care after learning about it; they were simply an Internet handle to me. I also never use slurs. Looking back I'm just glad I wasn't shamed openly.

I have no idea who this "dijit" is, if you're upset with them you should tweet at them. I'm talking about a handful of people on HN pretending not to know that if you were to refer to me as "(((smcl)))" somewhere you are making the statement "hey smcl, I know you're Jewish. I want you to know that, and I want my little alt-right friends to know that too..."

> I'm talking about a handful of people on HN pretending not to know

I'm a person on HN. I didn't know that.

It's pretty esoteric, and that's coming from someone who's APL-curious.

But then, I don't spend any of my time reading alt-right or anti-alt-right blogs.

The user I was replying to ("luckylion") very clearly knew and was making a mockery of it, and ignoring the very reasonable, understandable comment describing that it is dependent on a specific context.

Not only that, it appears they also didn't know it decreased the term weight, rather than increasing it. So they really were just in here to troll.

There's no reasonable, understandable way to see (raised long fluffy tail), (((detailed face))), (((detailed amber eyes))), (((disfigured feet))), ((extra limbs)), (((water marks))), ((captions)), ((text)), (((feral))) and come away with "I guess it's that Twitter thing". Really, no, let's not cast away all reason just to taste the sweet fruit of outrage.

Ok someone mistook these things on GitHub for antisemitism - that was an error. However other people wondered what the triple parens meant, and you mocked the idea that right wingers use it with a wink and a nudge to identify Jewish people.

Slightly lacking in taste, but you do you

1. Each set of parentheses adds 10% to the weighting of the term in a stable diffusion prompt 2. That particular term is in the negative prompt, signaling the model to avoid inclusion of matches for that in the produced images.

Context does matter.

* * *

It is in the "Negative prompt", so they really don't want disfigured feet.

For those wondering why - hands and feet are typically the bits that are usually rendered wrong. You can get a lovely face, body, spaceship, etc - but the odds of getting six+ fingers or toes is very high with most models. Common to point that out to the AI, at this stage in the game.

Yes, but that's not the point. Some people seem to think that the three parentheses are an antisemitic dog-whistle and cannot believe it could be used for something else like setting weights in a prompt.

What's worse is that the emphasis of the prompt is on feet (an overwhelming common fetish)

It makes (((PERFECT))) sense that a person with a foot fetish would want an accurate foot.

However, we live in a world with so many people that anything (and I truly mean anything) will be taken as offensive by at least one person.

The context is literally that parenthesis are token weight multipliers, so he's multiplying the importance of "disfigured feet" to the negative prompt by 1.1 three times. There are even other tokens in there that he multiples with less than three layers of parenthesis

I am highly amused and also saddened that the second sentence of my response, "Context is important", is being completely ignored.

QED.

I suggest getting annoyed at the people who are constantly trying to think of new anti-Semitic dogwhistles. They make everyone's life harder.

Or getting annoyed at people who are constantly trying to think of new woke dogwhistles, trying to find "hate speech" in anything (remember Pepe, the OK sign or donglegate?)

How about going from master to main?

The mental effort that goes into thinking of new ways to hate other people is astonishing.

Get.A.Life.People.

Sounds rather conspiratorial and paranoid, like a psychosis; not to mention your incitement and implicit violation of the international human right to free expression and American supreme law protecting free speech.

Context matters.

Do you engage in discussion with white supremacists or their victims/targets? Do you use triple parenthesis all the time while describing other people?

If none of the above, then what you are doing is the equivalent of making irrelevant noise.

Triple parentheses have been _extremely widely_ used by the far right for a dozen years. It's a daily occurence on 4chan, especially from /pol/, as well as being a favorite from various forums like Stormfront.

Now, there's a slight difference between you writing a comment that goes `This calculates the size of the universe (((note: absolutely fix this it runs in O(n^n))))`, and you going `goddamn I hate (((them)))` in forums swimming in white supremacists.

You are not being persecuted. If anything, hate on the far right using the dumbest fucking signals to try to "blend in".

No way, next thing you'll tell me Lisp isn't actually an antisemetic dogwhistle.

Shit, emacs is racist

*dogwiphple

Strange if true. Those triple parentheses are weight modifiers, increasing the importance of the tokens inside.

This reddit link posted elsewhere gives a more damning view, aside from the triple parentheses: https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/103upr6/co...

And none of the triple parentheses contain peoples names or anything that could be considered religious...

I'd guess this was enforced by someone reading a corporate policy that said "if you see triple parentheses, it's hate speech, ban the account".

Maybe, yes.

On further investigation (see reddit) there also seems to be a CSV file with artist names in the repo. Black artists have a string 'n' in some unspecified column. I can't check myself if this might mean something else, eg. if other ethnicities also have this string... but there are some suspicious things going on in a that repo for sure. More than just the parentheses.

The n identifier has a valid place in a world trying to say the output is racist.

It is not exclusively applied to any skin color either.

I read through the Reddit thread and they seem to be focused on the letter n being tagged on certain names (they claim is stands for the n word with strong racist meaning.)

Later someone points out that there is another artist who paints mostly darker skin tones who also has the n identifier.

I can, immediately and without effort, see why this might be added. As a way to force representation in output. This is, to me, akin to paint which lets you pick a color (let's go with purple) for skin.

The Rimworld mod cited apparently comes with an "all white, all black, and all yellow" version. The only version mentioned by the angry folks is the white one.

Does anyone know the truth of the matter above?

n: There are also black artists tagged that way who seem to very rarely depict people at all. And both the white and 1+ of the n-tagged black artists depicted some non-black people.

Rimworld: It was whites only at first, black only got added later and then integrated.

Thank you.

Personally I would not call any of the actions racist. The first one can be a legitimate use case with an incredibly poor choice of identifier (or incredibly good in at least one scenario). The mod being updated kind of argues for itself.

I think I will see on the side of caution and call it ignorance instead of malice.

The scenario is one where the n is completely harmless and the purported(on Reddit) word was nowhere in the mind when being typed.

Seems like the kind of thing GitHub should reach out to people about before acting on. At least where there is any (even farfetched) possible explanation.

Yeah it's all very confusing, and the thing that is most sorely missing is some human communication from github about the why of this ban.

Huggingrear stated in a different thread that "he made the WhiteOnly mod as a response to existing mods which removed white people"

I don't know how you would validate this but it doesn't seem unreasonable.

Those other "damning" examples are still idiotic and misguided. TL/DR he made a "white only", "black only" and "yellow only" mods for NPCs in some game and somebody apparently misinterpreted a tag in an artists list file.

Interesting. Maybe I was fooled by some deliberate outrage machine. I only read about the "white only" mod. Not the other two. Talk about cherry-picking...

The silver lining of this bullshit is that this again underscores how important critical thinking is.

If you think making 3 such mods is not racist yet just one is, think again.

I'm not disagreeing with you. To be clear: I find any of those mods to be distasteful, pointless and harmful.

What makes me sad is the amount of effort needed to figure out A) why could github have banned this account, B) knowing that, do I feel this is fair or an over-reaction

I planned to use this repo professionally, so getting to the bottom of this is important to me. Instead of clarity, there's outrage and selective reporting; I couldn't find anything conclusive so far.

Consider this: if an American might want to see a game/movie/whatever where the NPC population representative of America, a Russian/Chinese might want to enjoy a game where where it is representative of Russia/China.

If that is distasteful or harmful then so are Netflix adaptations.

None of it is racist nor problematic.

As an example, there are plenty of racist things a black only mod enables.

Yellow only I would use if I still liked The Simpsons and played the game in question.

from the thread, thats sounds confusing https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/103upr6/co...

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...including removing any non-white characters from Rimworld

You should also mention there are two counterpart mods called "black only" and "yellow only"

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> Prior to its use as an antisemitic label or identifier, ((( screen name ))) had been used in online communities such as AOL to indicate that a user was "cyberhugging" the user with the specified screen name.

Why are all the nice things ruined by bigots.

Just wait till you hear that some circles of the net think using pepe the frog is a racist dog whistle.

Or that using the ok finger gesture briefly was career ending because 4chan openly declared a psyop to see if they could bait social media into declaring it a white supremacist symbol. Worked like a charm and hysteria abounded for a couple of months before the next hysteria was birthed and that one quickly forgotten. Unfortunately, some people who don't keep up with the day-to-day changes in what's considered unacceptable communication, got labeled as racist for making the ok sign even though there was no ill intent or even knowledge that anyone now considered it a taboo gesture.

Wow, that probably was contained within the US? Never heard of it.

edit: Background https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OK_gesture#White_power_symbol

Seems like they managed to have white power fans actually adopt it.

So this is where I don't know what to think - I'm overseas and don't exactly have my finger on the pulse of alt-right culture. I only knew it after it was co-opted by Nick Fuentes and his circle so I don't know if it was:

1. 4chan tries to say it means "White Power"

2. the news pick this up and runs with it

3. actual white nationalists started using it

or

1. 4chan tries to say it means "White Power"

2. actual white nationalists started using it

3. the news reports that white nationalists are using it

News orgs can be easily fooled into reporting ridiculous fake shit and backfiring - like the whole "teens eating tide pods" thing causing a few teens and boomers to actually try eating them - so both are possible, I'd suspect that the latter is more likely though.

I’d say both are likely ;)

But it’s telling that the ADL at first refused to add it to their list of hate-signs, and then (according to wikipedia, after all I only heard of all this today) reversed their stance 2 years later. And almost all usage of the sign getting someone into trouble have also been 2019+ (again, from the wiki list).

Yeah I think the important thing is regardless of the origin, or the order of events ... it is now sometimes used by white nationalists.

However I don't think that on its use on its own would cause a mob to mass report your account or anything. It's not so self-evidently a sign of hate as a hakenkreuz or the nazi salute would be, it's just worth remembering that in some rare situations it could be poorly received.

Always use the OK sign (to mean OK), even if someone else uses it to mean something else. Use it aggressively, always, relentlessly, as protest against bigotry and against language policing.

If you're going to use it "aggressively, always, relentlessly" then you may have to brace yourself for the occasions when you use it to someone from Brazil (where it's said to be a gesture along the lines of the middle finger) or with black-bloc counter-protestors near a nazi rally, or any other context where it's considered hateful or just generally rude. The Brazilian may just think you're an asshole. The black bloc guys will assume you are with the nazis who just hospitalised their friend...

This is what's important - it's not banned, it's not going to get you jailed. It's just going to land you in a tricky situation if you use it where it's going to be interpreted as a hate symbol.

What you do with this information is up to you.

It will land me in "tricky situations" only with assholes. The Brazilian will probably, like any reasonable human being, understand.

Well, good luck. You’ll find out where people’s limits are one way or another.

Every day we all must suffer fools, or those who choose violence to support their views, or both. Our choice as peaceful, civilized, thoughtful people is whether we choose to let them win. Violence and thoughtlessness are the enemy, no matter which side indulges.

It's mainly the media. While there was probably some far right groups/people who decided to go along first, the "association" of the OK sign with white supremacists was popularized by the medias

I don’t know, I still have questions. I was told exactly this in 2002 by my Southern good ol boy social studies teacher.

According to him, it was a sign that KKK members in his town used to signal group membership to one another. In his telling the three extended fingers meant KKK, and they would tuck the thumb and index finger in their belts or waistband.

Either he was making it up then and it’s a complete coincidence his story matches the 4chan story 15 years later, which is also made up; or there’s a kernel of truth to it, and this guy was letting us in on some weird aspect of racist subculture that made its way to the mainstream in 2017. These people had so many other weird customs (like calling themselves wizards and dragons), I don’t see why secret hand signals are out of the question.

Amazing anecdote either way :D

QAnon was a 4chan psyop and look where that ended up. These things tend to take on a life of their own once removed from their original context.

Like it or not, Pepe did get co-opted by a weird alt-right subculture, so while it later got reclaimed, for a while there was a good chance posting Pepe meant you were aligned with the alt-right or incel culture. There's an entire documentary on the artist behind it and what happened called "Feels Good Man" it's really quite good: https://www.feelsgoodmanfilm.com/

That felt pretty isolated to US bubbles, though. I had never even heard of it until 3 or so years ago, and on Twitch, Pepe was used throughout it all, including in LBTGQI+ channels.

Yeah that interpretation didn't permeate every community, it's good to hear it was always well received on Twitch. I do recommend the doc though, it sounds like you'd enjoy it :)

I remember very well that Pepe was used by all sides until some article on the Hillary Clinton's campaign website in 2016 that associated it with Trump and then suddenly you couldn't use it for anything with being labelled white supremacist

It's not surprising at all for the Hillary campaign to have completely misjudged and misunderstood something in an attempt to engage with online or youth culture.

I'm reminded of her awkward "I'm just chillin ... in Cedar Rapids!" vine

What happened was that journalists wrote articles claiming that Pepe was an alt-right symbol. But this was never based in fact, it was simply a misunderstanding by journalists ignorant of internet culture. The alt-right made a lot of Pepe memes because Pepe memes were popular at the time when Trump's campaign was taking off.

The problem is that when journalists make mistakes, it becomes fact, true or not.

> Why are all the nice things ruined by bigots.

They aren't. If we just go about doing our thing such as using triple parentheses to mean hugs and the OK symbol to mean OK and the country's flag to mean reasonable love of home and country, then they'll find some other symbol. By making a big deal about what those people get up to and so avoiding them, we cede these beautiful, powerful symbols to assholes. Don't do it. It's the ceding that ruins them.

I argue they're ruined by people not parsing context (whether deliberately or otherwise).

Back when the alt-right "Electric Boogaloo" thing was going on, one article I think hit the nail on the head saying something "If you want to wear a Hawaiian shirt, go for it. Just maybe think twice about accessorizing with body armor and assault rifles." The point being that just because some nut jobs make a point of wearing Hawaiian shirt under their militia get-up doesn't poison Hawaiian shirts. Context matters.

This string has legitimate uses and also offensive uses. Context decides which one it is.

It's runined by professional victims. The bigots would have no voice without their victims' amplification.

It is rarely the identified group complaining and instead almost exclusively rich, no problem in the real world, people and or trolls.

The impact is overwhelming power transfer to racists.

This makes sense given the skewed overlay of people who are now "social justice warriors" that were once incredibly prejudice clowns.

> though it's pretty disgusting in other ways

In what ways? All I can see is some furry porn stuff. Explicit and not my fetish, but what parts are disgusting?

I can imagine that porn with animals (even cartoons) might be disgusting to some people. There is a reason why bestiality is quite high in the list of social taboos.

In context of stable diffusion it’s something that would be extremely difficult to generate, and therefore a good example in a prompt-crafting class.

I’d say it’s an odd choice, except there are also plenty of others.

Does beast-on-beast qualify as beastiality?

I always thought that was just, you know, a Tuesday on Animal Planet?

Probably not, but animal planet isn't made explicitly for human sexual gratification, so the comparison is a bit disingenuous

It was in the context of furry porn being upsetting. Not sure if panda furry on fox furry counts as beastiality. Maybe? It seems different.

In the end though, I blame Disney.

I thought exactly the same. I think people just think that furry stuff and zoo/bestiality stuff are the same thing.

The second prompt includes "child, young".

Yuck.

It’s a negative prompt, so a prompt to make it less likely to use things that could be tagged "child" or "young".

If you find that yucky, you need help.

You can spare me your snarky remarks. I was not aware that these keywords specified a negative prompt, but I still think that you even have to specify to a diffusion model that you would like your bestiality pornography without children in it is disgusting.

There’s a Reddit thread that goes into some detail: https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/103upr6/au...

So it seems the actual reason for the suspension is that Automatic had a mod for the colony-sim game RimWorld that disables certain skin colors from appearing in the game.

If you're not familiar, these sorts of mods are near universally made for racist dogwhistling; they're the "barely passable but not really" version of mods that would straight up whitewash non-white characters. The entire debacle started a couple of years ago iirc with the game Stardew Valley, which has non-randomized unique characters and someone made a mod to iirc whitewash the black characters that the game has (straight up just respriting them to look white).

The mod was pulled from both Steam and Nexus if I recall, and a few weeks later you saw these sorts of "one skin color only" mods appear in games with a heavy focus on randomized character creation (the uploaders of these mods also usually try to say it's not racist by uploading multiple variations such as a mod that disables all white skin colors; this is just flimsy excuses, which becomes apparent when you look at the activity stats for these mods). Modding sites aren't very reliable on taking action on them, so it's the loophole used to still get away with doing racist shit.

RimWorld is a single player game. They're upset about people making modifications that affect .. literally no one else? What a strange world to live in.

Well, nobody is upset over it except GitHub cuz y'know, it's still pretty blatantly racist.

GitHub probably doesn't want to be seen hosting that shit because they're a company with business agreements and other businesses tend to start side-eyeing you and leaving you for competitors if you don't take action when people report racist stuff to you. (Usually because not cleaning that stuff up tends to be indicative of worse problems not being actioned on). GitHub in specific has a pretty nasty skeleton in the closet that they would really rather not have attention drawn to (their ICE contract, which has cost them several other contracts and has typically cost them about a third of their workforce every time it gets renewed), so they tend to be far more proactive in cleaning up that sort of thing.

Their TOS probably has a line forbidding this sort of mod from being uploaded and someone probably just filed a report to GitHub about it breaking their TOS or someone from their T&S team happened to find it while checking up on Automatics repositories.

I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if some of them were made just to troll people, like the time where 4chan briefly made some morons think OK sign is some racist/white nationalist thing

Well, y'know then Poe's Law[0] kicks in. Repeating racist dogwhistles but doing it "to own the libs" is y'know, still repeating racist dogwhistles. I can totally understand a company like GitHub for purely cynical money reasons not wanting to be affiliated with that sort of thing even if it's ironic (which, Poes Law, I have no reason to believe is the case with Automatic).

As for the OK sign thing; that was a case of "4chan sliced a bunch of older pictures together of Trump and his ilk making an OK-sign" (which yeah, it's a common hand gesture, wow). The kinda strange thing is that it resulted in a sort of self-perpetuating effect; you had in part the media falling for the prank, but at the same time, those very same Trump supporters started doing the OK-hand deliberately to indicate what political "team" they belonged on.

It fell out of favor with those Trump supporters after a bit (because y'know, it was just a trend and trends defined solely by "trolling the libs" don't tend to last; eventually "the libs" catch on and they need something new).

Basically doing something ironically can make the people whose behavior you're emulating think they're in good company. Unless you take it to straight up absurdist levels (no Nazi will ever use Springtime for Hitler as propaganda), that will always happen.

Stuff like being clear about it being made to mock (as with Poes Law, which suggests things like the /s sarcasm marker) or extreme absurdity (Springtime) helps avoid that.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

So by accepting the well established sign is now racist because a group decided to use it you just... let them win ? Not a great idea IMO.

Briefly? Still a thing.

Ah yes, the extreme racist groups of… RimWorld players.

Ridiculous.

Oh not saying that at all. It's just a fraction of the playerbase (as with any community).

It's just when you compare the activity stats of the "black skin colors only" and "white skin colors only" mods on various modding platforms for all sorts of games, the "white skin colors only" mods have far more activity and downloads (although still nothing compared to y'know, shit most people actually care about like total conversion mods and the like), which tends to be pretty indicative of where the actual attention of the people who are into those sorts of mods tend to lie.

The "black skin colors only" mods pretty much only exist to create a more defensible position (the motte) for something that's blatantly unreasonable (having only the "white skin colors only" mods) (the bailey).

By looking at the activity, it reveals that this motte and bailey tactic is the blatantly flimsy bad faith defense it actually is.

I feel like one thing that should at least be mentioned is that when they uploaded the "White only" mod in september 2018, they also uploaded an equivalent "black only" mod on the same day, followed a few days later by a "yellow only" one after "popular request", something that arguable could be used by people who roleplay in rimworld

All contained basically the same few lines of code that skew the number distribution for the "RandomMelanin" method in the game.

All three are still available on the Steam workshop, although it seems like the functionality of all 3 mods was merged into the "White only" mod, which now provides a slider that lets you select the range instead of hardcoding it, and that is the only source code that remained on their github. This is the only mod of the three that was actively updated for new versions of the game so that has an impact on the statistics as well.

How is the mod's actions his fault? That's like someone working for me messing up and me paying the cost for it.

...he made the mod?

This is mod as in modification, not as in moderator.

Ah... I got confused lol

Why describe this as whitewashing if 2 of the 3 mods changed all the skin colors to something other than white? Just dont see how you can come to this conclusion from 1 all black mod, 1 all yellow mod, and 1 all white mod.

Its problematic. Maybe racist. But whitewashing?

Whitewashing is what happened with Stardew Valley and my mention of it is just a small bit of history to explain where these sorts of mods come from.

The RimWorld mods aren't whitewashing, they're just problematic and when you take in the broader context of the history of these sorts of mods (not to mention the history of these RimWorld mods on the Steam workshop, as another commenter pointed out, they started with the all white mod and only uploaded the all black and all yellow mods later), are pretty clearly racist.

What do the double and triple parentheses mean in context of a Stable Diffusion prompt like the one you linked?

e.g. might it apply some weighting to the phrase?

Additionally, I wonder, looking at that prompt, maybe he was banned for beastiality.

If this is about racist shit I’ll be the first to admit that’s a shame. It’d be better if the judgment of that was handed down by the community- if it indeed is the case - rather than obscure tos maneuvering, but, well, we don’t exactly live in the most perfect of all worlds. That said I believe in the capacity for people to not be like how they used to be, and, furthermore, my opinion on why this is happening isn’t any more authoritative than anyone else’s speculation, I guess, so… who knows? Some other comments seem to suggest it’s just part of the dsl/grammar for the ui- it’s something I have not explored myself much

What community? What if the majority are racist? Does MS have an obligation to host racist or even undesirable content on github?

People in other threads are saying it’s because he helped make a mod for a game where you can make all the characters white. Which is apparently enraging.

But like, it’s racist if I want to modify a single player game to make the players white? And even if it is I wish people would just butt out. Seems like a bunch of busybodies policing behavior. It’s just gotten crazy and is really dumb at this point. Are we going to have to have a “free speech GitHub” run by Elon Musk too? How did the internet turn into such a snooze fest where every edgelord has to be sanded down to be safe and snuggly so nobody gets hurt?

I remember my wife got banned from the Sims mod community for asking if there was a mod that’d let her simulate Craster’s Keep from Game of Thrones. She likes telling bizarre stories through electronic media. If she wanted to tell that story in Rimworld (which like, I don’t play Rimworld so just guessing) she’d need a mod to make the skin tones match up. Uh oh is that racist now?

It's a weight system, { } are also used. You can use as many or as little as you want to rank them in terms of importance. Some people use a number system, but it gets messy.

It is exactly that - each parenthesis doubles the weight of what's enclosed.

From context I gathered from other SD posts, yeah, weighting. The more, the heavier.

Is this someone at Reddit who found that prompt, or was he banned from GitHub for something he wrote on Reddit?

> I don't know if github is a good arbiter of what is and what isn't considered hate speech

I think they have proved beyond shadow of doubt that they are not

i will never forget when in my interview process there, they wanted me to go through a 3 hours session with their diversity manager.. I just gave up from the process.

I'd go just for lols, would make for interesting post.

the whole thing was just a waste of time.. I had some technical test, then I was invited for some interviews, then I had some more rounds, including with the future manager, which approved me, but then they changed my process (from github us, to github uk) and they wanted to start again the whole set of interviews including the diversity one.. then I just found something better.

Disclaimer: I don't understand the context; I'm simply commenting on https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1020158613093892256/1...:

> [...] nsfw [...] on all fours [...] balls [...] penis between paws [...]

He got banned for sex prompting?

> [...] disfigured face, missing eyes, missing limbs [...] 2 toes, 3 toes [...]

Okay, okay... maybe GitHub isn't the place for popularising gore porn generators, but...

> [...] child, young [...]

Ah.

I know nothing at all about prompt engineering but I think those words were negative prompts intended to ensure those things don’t emerge.

It seems that you know more than me.

Thank you for clarifying.

Did you miss that the child stuff is explicitly mentioned as negative prompt (which I assume is used to let the network know that you don't want those traits in the output image)?

I didn't know what a negative prompt is.

I've used my ignorance as an opportunity for others to better interpret this also.

Even after gaining the context that triple parentheses are antisemitic, I thought it very unusual that someone would see identifying "detailed face" as Jewish to be racist.

Wait, what?

AUTOMATIC had nothing to do with that prompt. A user from the Furry Diffusion Discord wrote it and I was suspended from reddit for posting it here (NSFW): https://www.reddit.com/r/FurAI/comments/y2l9o5/want_a_ride_m...

The suspension was lifted on appeal. Terms like “disfigured” were in the negative prompt to make appearance less likely, and the parentheses were to add or reduce weight of certain terms. I’m amused, but baffled, to see it brought up here at all—it should have nothing at all to do with any of this.

Stolen as in how stolen? Did he give credits or not? I use templates for common shit all the time, but I'm not banned from GH.

> Looking at the Reddit thread about this, there was some arguably racist stuff going on in his repo

That may or may have been warranted but these days "some arguably racist stuff" is a too vague description to be meaningful to act on, or pass judgement by on its own.

Do you have the link to the relevant reddit-thread for better context?

It's been pasted multiple times in the comments, but here it is:

https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/103upr6/co...

If it was just one of those examples, sure. But there are multiple things that are 'arguably racist' combined with apparent activity on 4chan, I'd say it doesn't seem just coincidental.

We don't know whether this has anything to do with the suspension though, everything that's being written is all just theories.

There is about 42% of population which do not support George Floyd protests. White mode is also not really racist: at least it is less racists than certain members of US government.

However, he is based in Russia and that changes everything.

I saw this response debunking the whole mod accusation:

https://old.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/103vsm2/we...

As for 4chan activity, how on earth can anything there be attributed to anyone ? It's a anonymous messaging board. I can go there and claim that I'm the prince of Wales and start making egregious statements.

Someone can plant racist information anywhere and wait for the ban hammer then?

The racist "information" in this case was produced by the maintainer of the project themself though.

Did he add the 'n' tag or did he just accept a PR with changes made to artists.csv ?

That's quite a important distinction.

As for the mods, I have no problem with those, he made the WhiteOnly mod as a response to existing mods which removed white people, and I can't argue against the George Floyd riots being anything but peaceful.

The very first version of this file, authored by him, already included the 'n', only on artists that are either black or draw black people in art.

But sure, look at the guy that has dozens of red flags that all scream white supremacy and brush it off with "lol george floyd protests were violent tho".

Did he create the artists.csv file himself, or did he copy it from somewhere ?

This eagerness to attribute racism and 'white supremacy' to people has made the accusation pointless IMO.

I think the BlackLivesMatter movement was a big scam that fueled riots which cost people lives and a ton of economic damage while riding on a wave of legitimate but overblown criticism of police violence. Am I a white supremacist now ?

Was reading the Reddit thread and noticed this was said about the 'n' tag:

>Out of 3041 artists in the file 16 of them are tagged as 'n', and a further 8 >tagged as 'c' (no idea what it means either).

> Alain Laboile,0.67634284,c > Julie Blackmon,0.72862685,c > William-Adolphe Bouguereau,0.618265,c > Bapu,0.6122084,c > Robert Irwin,0.58078,c > Cassius Marcellus Coolidge,0.5805516,c > Dr. Seuss,0.5597466,c > Henning Jakob Henrik Lund,0.5147134,c

Another uses also wrote:

>I don’t think they marked black artists with an n as you seem to be claiming. >There are also white artists marked with a c, like Julie Blackmon. Also I found >a german white artist Mati Klarwein who has an n in the dataset.

I can't say for sure where they got the data from, but the initial commit of the file, including all the categories, was by them[1].

I'm not even saying a ban was necessary in this case, just that the question is not about someone else implanting data, but the repository owner themselves.

Apart from that I certainly wouldn't be surprised if the author had racist intentions in their GitHub activity too. At least when it comes to their Steam activity there are indications that range from dubious to extremely clear racism. First of all there is the "White Only" mod for RimWorld[2], which seems a bit unsavory, but who knows. Then the question of why the "Black Only" mod[3] has an image of a black person with a spear in the African Savannah, whereas the "White Only" one has a group of white people standing happily on a planet in modern clothing. (The "Yellow Only" mod[4] has an image of Emperor Taishō)

Most condemning in my eyes is the fact that their Steam profile[5] shows that at some point their nickname was "Remember the six gorillion" (click on the little arrow next to their current name to see previous iterations). This is clearly an anti-Semitic, or at least Holocaust-denying reference.[6]

[1]https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui/comm...

[2]https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=15187...

[3]https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=15188...

[4]https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=15205...

[5]https://steamcommunity.com/id/no-sry

[6]https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/six-gorillion

What do you mean by 'planting racist information' exactly?

This plays into the hands of trolls. See YouTube, where people snipe each other with automated dmca takedowns.

If MS doesn’t set up tribunals for these types of things, it will just be abused to take down stuff.