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Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by jerlam on Thursday November 03, 2022 @02:25AM (#33447730)
Not just employee gifts, but nearly all gifts are valued less by the receiver than the giver.

A gift represents a decision made on behalf of the receiver by the giver. In very few situations would the receiver make the same decision as the giver with the same resources. It's assumed that the receiver will use the same resources in an optimal manner, so gift-giving is a net negative.

In some circumstances, gifts are valued higher by the receiver than the giver. Gifts of time, of expertise, of opportunity, or things that the giver can get at a much lower cost than the receiver - these can be more appreciated.

Anyway, that's my grand theory of gifting, and why I generally avoid it, unless I can make it worthwhile to the gift receiver.

Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by imartin2k on Thursday November 03, 2022 @02:50AM (#33447860)
Yep in most cases and to different degrees in different cultures and contexts, gifting seems to be a procedure that primarily is about the giver and their needs, rather than about the receiver - while claiming the opposite.
Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by m463 on Thursday November 03, 2022 @03:07AM (#33447946)
That's what makes it easy to know what gift to give a kid - they will tell you.
Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by Al-Khwarizmi on Thursday November 03, 2022 @04:37AM (#33448449)
If I always gifted my son what he asks, he would have nothing but cars and other vehicles. He wouldn't have discovered many other kinds of toys that he loves (as well as some that he doesn't, of course... one can't have a 100% success rate). Gifting can be a good way to expose people to new things that they might like, and this is even more so in the case of kids, as they ask from a much more restricted set of known things than adults.
Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by GameOfFrowns on Thursday November 03, 2022 @03:10AM (#33447960)
I like your theory and it puts into words this nagging feeling about gift-giving (material or immaterial) which I had for years.

I love making gifts to people, without expecting anything in return, but still wondered why it sometimes seemed to drive people away. That's why the "Law of Reciprocity"[0][1] never sat right with me while I experienced more personal anecdotal evidence for the reverse phenomenon [2].

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reciprocity_(social_psychology...

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Cialdini

[2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Franklin_effect

Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by bayindirh on Thursday November 03, 2022 @03:29AM (#33448050)
This is a very simplistic and very narrow perspective about gifting when looked from this side.

I don't consider gifts as the items solely. The person who brought the gift spent some time pondering what would I like, gave his/her best shot. Spent time and funds to acquire this and gave it to me.

Yes, it might not be the exact item I'd get; yes, it might not be crazy expensive (or just flat out cheap and simple). But it's a small anchor which makes me remember the person who gave me the gift and the occasion. The thoughtfulness and kindness what makes a gift, a gift.

That gift is priceless for me from now on. It can be a mug, it can be a pin, it can be a watch, or anything.

Putting everything on a material perspective is just not very kind, and is a great disservice to the person who bought the gift.

Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by jerlam on Thursday November 03, 2022 @04:00AM (#33448235)
Yes, this is a very utilitarian and pessimistic view of gift giving, and probably not great for me to have. I've been shaped by years of required and thoughtless gift giving.

Items of low value, carefully selected, actually work really well for gifts! I think the process of curation can dramatically increase their perceived value, compared to a "serious" gift. But at some point, you just have too much stuff of all kinds, and you have to start getting rid of it.

Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by lupire on Thursday November 03, 2022 @08:38AM (#33450081)
That advice is for the old materialistic pre-climate-change/infinite-renr world.
Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by jasode on Thursday November 03, 2022 @05:39AM (#33448846)
>The thoughtfulness and kindness what makes a gift, a gift. That gift is priceless for me from now on. It can be a mug, it can be a pin, it can be a watch, or anything.

Have a 75-year old friend that thought exactly like this and because of it, her house ended up being cluttered with tons of cat trinkets that she didn't want because her coworkers happen to find out "she likes cats". So she had cat figurines, cat pot holders, cat pins, cat stuffed toys, cat Christmas ornaments, etc. Decades of accumulated stuff like that. The items were things she didn't enjoy and would never buy herself but she hung on to them because of the cultural meme of "it's the thought that counts!" being beat into her head. She's not an assertive person so it wasn't in her personality to tell people to "stop getting me cat things" -- so she just smiled and thanked them. And because she felt "obligated" to the thoughtfulness and memory of the giver, she felt compelled to keep everything and constantly relocate them to the next house when she had to move. She didn't know what to do with all of it and it didn't feel right to her to throw it all away.

I finally convinced her to just put all the accumulated gifts on Craigslist as a "free giveaway". This was the psychological breakthrough she needed because she knew whoever would come get them would actually want the items. She finally was able to de-clutter her house.

I was only able to give her that advice because 99% of the gifts I received just created clutter in my house and my brain.

>, and is a great disservice to the person who bought the gift.

As counterpoint, buying a gift can be a disservice to the recipient as you've now added a destructive mental loop in their brain that has to figure out how to reconcile the giver's generosity with an unwanted item.

The above situation makes me wonder if society needs a total re-think of gifting etiquette where only very close family relations exchange gifts such as husbands/wives and parents/children.

For lesser relations like coworkers, the counterintuitive thinking that can make life better: not buying a gift is "the gift of not forcing the recipients to expend mental energy about that unwanted item later in life".

My friend did enjoy giftcards from Starbucks. She likes coffee and it didn't clutter up the house. The problem with gift cards is that many think it's too vulgar (or "low effort") because it's a thin veneer over cash. Understandable. But that's also why she keeps getting "real gifts" she doesn't want.

Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by vasco on Thursday November 03, 2022 @05:54AM (#33448942)
Few times I've "gifted" a dinner, or some activity within a trip we take together they'd already be paying for, or consumables like good wine, or niche food from my home country. I can keep going but you get the point. When I couldn't afford much stuff, hanging out for an afternoon together and me paying for ice cream could be the gift. Maybe make your wishes known to your friends and adapt your own giving style.

In my experience "I don't give gifts because gift giving isn't efficient and here's a study proving my point" isn't conducive to fostering friendships.

If the people you hang out with think cat trinkets or socks are good gifts, I get why you became so jaded to it. Becoming the person that can give such gifts that are in the categories you appreciate, and cultivating friendships with others that do the same is way better approach in my view than just walking away from gift giving as a whole.

Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by ilyt on Thursday November 03, 2022 @10:50AM (#33451857)
> When I couldn't afford much stuff, hanging out for an afternoon together and me paying for ice cream could be the gift. Maybe make your wishes known to your friends and adapt your own giving style.

That is essentially gifting them your time and honestly I appreciate the company more than trinkets

Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by bayindirh on Thursday November 03, 2022 @06:33AM (#33449134)
I understand where you are coming from, but in my case saying "My house a little bit too cluttered with these, can you bring me less/none of these from now on" is a very possible thing to do. It can be also said politely, and a real friend wouldn't take it personally, too.

I also tend to give out worn out or very old gifts to people who appreciate them. It's not easy as writing for me, too, but I know the real dangers of having an unintended hoarder's den.

On the other side of the equation, if my friend tells me that buying them these gifts creates mental load and clutter in their life, I'd listen. I'd instead gift experiences and/or expendables (e.g. gift cards), if he/she accepts.

I think these matters can be discussed, and it will certainly improve the friendship and the relationship between two parties.

If I can get enough information about people, I'd buy them what they like. This can be socks, gift cards, or just a box of chocolate.

I don't wish my gifts become burdens or pain points in one's life. I'd also not get offended if someone gives away something I gifted.

Being human and good relations is rooted in communication. No need to put this into hard molds and make people miserable by projecting our values over others under nice names. I buy gifts to make people smile. If I can learn what makes you smile most, I'll get that one. If not getting one will make you smile, I'll get you none.

Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by CoastalCoder on Thursday November 03, 2022 @07:38AM (#33449563)
I remember a CarTalk episode in which Tom Magliozzi argued that the best kind of gift is an experience.

Except when someone is in need of material things, I think he was right

Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by feintruled on Thursday November 03, 2022 @08:04AM (#33449756)
Not for this guy it wasn't:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/14/man-accidental...

"The flight had been a gift from colleagues and the man felt he couldn’t refuse."

Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by CoastalCoder on Thursday November 03, 2022 @08:16AM (#33449868)
Heh, I'd forgotten about that one. Still, now he has a heck of a story to share with people.
Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by foobarian on Thursday November 03, 2022 @09:55AM (#33451009)
This is why I like consumable gifts the best. A dinner, a soap, some chocolate or wine.

But even that can trip up people who like to keep stuff in pristine condition. I think there would be a market for products that come in a "open" state - the cover torn off, a fake outer seal broken, 3 chocolate slots empty ("eaten") etc. so they can be more suitable for hoarders.

Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by throw33away on Thursday November 03, 2022 @12:52PM (#33453854)
For the best part of 20 years I felt chocolate as a gift was a poor choice. But a month or so ago someone gave me some figs with the inside replaced with chocolate and it was such a novel gift (for me) that I'd say it is the best gift I got in years. Novelty is king for me.

Similar story with wine. Someone went to the effort of buying me a bottle that you can't get in USA from my home country and it was really special.

Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by 6stringmerc on Thursday November 03, 2022 @06:53AM (#33449255)
And yet, for years I’ve decided to make personal gifts or draw cards. Instead of earning money like everybody else I practiced arts and crafts and now I can draw, paint, sculpt, and do some other stuff that makes people smile.

Buying something is transactional, but making something takes effort. My $1.30 cents of clay to make each knock-off baby Yoda figure one year was a huge hit compared to the $300-400 for some other themed item on Etsy.

Gifts from an employer are kind of blah to me as well. You’re spending money you could have given me but think you know better, because it’s tax deductible.

Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by Fatnino on Thursday November 03, 2022 @07:26AM (#33449486)
Best gift I ever got from my employer was an iPad mini.

Apple crap is basically cash. I was able to sell it for sticker price within the week.

Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by lotsofpulp on Thursday November 03, 2022 @08:30AM (#33449998)
>Gifts from an employer are kind of blah to me as well. You’re spending money you could have given me but think you know better, because it’s tax deductible.

FYI, while I do not think this (or any) deduction should exist, this is only $25 per year for non cash or non cash equivalent gifts:

https://www.irs.gov/faqs/small-business-self-employed-other-...

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/p_4090_fed_0305_text.pdf

Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by vintermann on Thursday November 03, 2022 @07:33AM (#33449534)
I agree, but there are different kinds of gifts.

There's "I remember you and I want to show that I care about you" gifts.

These days, I'm ambivalent about such gifts, whether it's giving them or accepting them. It's not the love I'm ambivalent about, it's just that it's also usually a ... thing. Which takes up space.

But there are also "Man, you've got to see this!" gifts. Not just something that the receiver will like, but which the giver loves also. Things that grow what you have in common.

These gifts need familiarity and trust. If the giver isn't on the same wavelength as the receiver, it becomes a "this is your sort of thing, isn't it?" gift instead, and they are not the same, even when they hit the mark.

And of course, a "you've got to see this" gift from a stanger is just a promotional sample. There has to be familiarity already, otherwise it's an imposition. "Why did you think I wanted to be more like you?"

My brother is the one who most usually gives the good "you've got to see this" gifts to me, and I dare hope I've managed to give some back.

Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by lupire on Thursday November 03, 2022 @08:35AM (#33450056)
IOW, there are no bad gifts, only bad relationships.
Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by H1Supreme on Thursday November 03, 2022 @09:51AM (#33450952)
> The person who brought the gift spent some time pondering what would I like, gave his/her best shot.

That's a hell of an assumption to make. There's a very real chance they spent 2 seconds buying something last minute because they were obligated to buy you something! I see my girlfriend do it every Christmas.

Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by bayindirh on Thursday November 03, 2022 @10:07AM (#33451194)
> There's a very real chance they spent 2 seconds buying something last minute because they were obligated to buy you something!

That's a hell of an assumption to make. In my family we negotiate what we going to buy for every member for at least two weeks, taking account what they are going to like and what they actually need, amongst other criteria.

Any friend of mine and my wife also gets the same treatment, as far as I experienced.

BTW, nobody is obliged to buy me anything for any day. I'm perfectly OK with that.

Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by sjs382 on Thursday November 03, 2022 @11:01PM (#33461521)
> This is a very simplistic and very narrow perspective about gifting when looked from this side.

I agree with you re: thoughtful gifts given to (or received from} people you have a relationship with. But I dont cosider employer gifts in this category. I view employee-employee gifts EXACTLY how the parent does. They tend to be impersonal (especially when given to the whole office) junk that gets forgotten, passed on or resold.

Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by exitb on Thursday November 03, 2022 @04:06AM (#33448259)
Gifts are primarily an expression of care.
Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by fma on Thursday November 03, 2022 @04:08AM (#33448276)
It's why I prefer to give hard cold cash. Not even gift cards...cash. And definitely not those stupid Visa gift cards where you pay a activation fee and occasionally get scammed.

I'm also from an Asian background where cash is more acceptable. I feel any other form of gifting is a ruse to increase consumerism, i.e. the popularity of gift registries, the perception that one isnt thoughtful if you dont yet a good gift etc.

Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by thefounder on Thursday November 03, 2022 @04:23AM (#33448358)
>> give hard cold cash

Best gift ever and good for the environment.

Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by kwhitefoot on Thursday November 03, 2022 @05:49AM (#33448907)
For all the people I might consider giving a gift to the amount of cash I would have to give for it to be meaningful would be huge. And that size would make it embarrassing. Much better to make the act part of the gift. As someone said elsewhere on this topic low value curated gifts are often very highly appreciated.
Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by lupire on Thursday November 03, 2022 @08:54AM (#33450229)
A gift registry is the one thing better than cash, because it skips an extra transactional step for a purchase that was going to happen anyway.
Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by faangiq on Thursday November 03, 2022 @04:16AM (#33448319)
It’s a decent theory but clearly wrong. Assumes perfect information among other things.
Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by alexvoda on Thursday November 03, 2022 @04:20AM (#33448334)
While your first and second paragraph may generally be true the opposite can also be true.

I do prefer receiving gifts when those gifts are informed. Which is why asking about desired gifts is perfectly fine.

There are certain classes of things that I do not consider necessary yet I would desire and for which the variety available results in paralysis of choice. For these, having the giver choose, and having the thing have additional sentimental value (it is from the giver) makes it more valuable than the thing itself.

Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by Al-Khwarizmi on Thursday November 03, 2022 @04:26AM (#33448379)
For me, some of the best gifts are those things that I like, but I wouldn't buy myself because I find them too capricious, too shallow, too unnecessary, etc. to justify the cost. In your words, suboptimal.

Gifts are an emotional thing so it's no wonder that they don't make much sense from a purely rational perspective, as (at least most of the time) that's not the point of gifting.

Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by bryanrasmussen on Thursday November 03, 2022 @04:30AM (#33448404)
You should consider the communicative value of gifts, a communicative gift is one where someone likes something and believes that the receiver will also like it, this is not just I like TinTin comics so I will give the big book of TinTin to receiver because how could someone not love TinTin? I love TinTin so he's great!

A communicative gift is I know they won't like TinTin the way I do but given that they are a lesbian that wants to read lesbian focused literature maybe give them the Locas: Maggie and Hopey stories and they will get that you considered them in choosing what to get, but also to introduce something to them that you like that you value and that you hope they will value as well.

Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by n4r9 on Thursday November 03, 2022 @05:46AM (#33448885)
That's similar to how I see it. My niece recently turned 16 and in a recent conversation I discovered she's into fantasy but hasn't heard of the Discworld novels. I looked up which book is commonly considered the best intro to the series (Small Gods) and bought her that. It might spark a real interest, or it might turn out that Discworld is too dated and unappealing to teenagers these days, but that bit of thought makes the odds better than random.
Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by devilbunny on Thursday November 03, 2022 @10:23AM (#33451463)
> Small Gods

You chose well.

Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by lostlogin on Thursday November 03, 2022 @04:45AM (#33448490)
> Not just employee gifts, but nearly all gifts are valued less by the receiver than the giver.

You need to try giving someone honey from a beehive you maintain. People seem to love it and come back for more. I have hundreds of kilos spare.

Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by roel_v on Thursday November 03, 2022 @05:05AM (#33448614)
So do I (well, from my father's bees, that is...). But it illustrates exactly what the OP is talking about - this honey comes at low cost or free to us, but for the receiver it represents a much higher value. (prices around here for local, pure honey are 7 or 8 euros per 450 grams / about a pound). My kids sell my parents' honey for 5 euros and people are grateful for those low prices even, and treat it like we're doing them a favor.
Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by piva00 on Thursday November 03, 2022 @05:39AM (#33448845)
I gift people some sourdough bread I make. The price of a loaf of bread is ridiculously cheap, much cheaper than my time would cost if I factored it in and my breads aren't perfectly baked every single time like a bakery with professionals can do.

Still, people appreciate it a lot, much more than if I purchased a better-looking loaf of bread from a professional baker for 2-3€.

I don't think it's necessarily tied to the value it represents to the receiver, it's the act of kindness with the unexpectedness of a gift that gives it value.

Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by lukego on Thursday November 03, 2022 @06:49AM (#33449233)
I used to do this but reciprocality meant that everyone started giving me back baked goods in return, usually really sweet stuff that I don't want in my diet.

I enjoy baking sourdough loaves to return favors though e.g. if s neighbour takes care of my lawn while I'm away. That's fun and keeps the books balanced.

Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by lostlogin on Thursday November 03, 2022 @05:38AM (#33448838)
I should have paid more attention, you are correct and it does illustrate their point.
Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by patall on Thursday November 03, 2022 @08:21AM (#33449916)
I agree with the parent comment and I also agree with you. The reason is that I believe that the states rule mostly applies to permanent things (i.e curtains or mugs) while you are commenting about a consumable. Everyone likes when you bring olive oil from vacation and, if it meets a certain minimum, everyone likes when you bring cake. In your case, you further have the DIY aspect. DIY things are generally interesting (though it depends on the quality of the item and the relationship between giver and receiver). But store bought stuff that the receiver may as well have bought themselves? If I am invited to a (non-BYO) BBQ, I would never bring a potato salat from the local supermarket. But I would (at times) definitely bring a home made one.
Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by nindalf on Thursday November 03, 2022 @05:20AM (#33448713)
Your grand theory isn't new. The 1993 paper The Deadweight Loss of Chrismtas (https://www.amherst.edu/media/view/104699/original/christmas...) explores this in detail.

The basic idea is let's measure what the gift cost and what the receiver valued it at. But not everything that matters can be measured and not everything that is measured, matters. The study should have accounted for the strength of relationship between the gifter and gifted and how it was affected by the gift. It should have measured social status of the gifter before and after. These deepened bonds and increased social status could pay off later in the year. The 2001 paper Poverty and public celebrations in rural India (https://ideas.repec.org/p/wbk/wbrwps/2528.html) examines that idea and finds it to be true.

When you're looking at an institution that has developed independently thousands of times across human history in wildly disparate cultures, you need to ask yourself what benefit it brings before dismissing it.

This comment reminds me of the teenage atheists who think religion is worthless because it's a bunch of made up stuff they don't believe is true. Regardless of what they believe, religion has indepdendatly developed and flourished in a number of cultures. Religion brings benefits to it's members, such as living longer, happier lives.

Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by Gordonjcp on Thursday November 03, 2022 @05:49AM (#33448909)
> Religion brings benefits to it's members, such as living longer, happier lives.

[citation needed]

Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by nindalf on Thursday November 03, 2022 @05:57AM (#33448960)
Ask and ye shall receive.

Association of Religious Service Attendance With Mortality Among Women (2016) - https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullar....

> Women who went to any kind of religious service more than once a week had a 33% lower chance than their secular peers of dying during the 16-year study-follow-up period.

Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by lupire on Thursday November 03, 2022 @08:48AM (#33450182)
Note that this study doesn't account for the health damage religious people do to non-religious people. Being a perpetrator is healthier than being a victim.

Not does it account for organized religions ability to forcibly displace other social support (community gathering) organizations. (Social support was the largest factor in improved health among religious people in the study).

Study also excluded, by design, any effects religious services may have on causing cardiovascular problems or cancer, on confounders due to already sick people finding religion.

Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by netsharc on Thursday November 03, 2022 @07:13AM (#33449414)
You cut out the important bit in his statement: "that involve regular congregations". And you didn't even put in a "[...]" to indicate your editing.

I would hazard a guess the removed bit is actually very important, because having a social network has been shown to improve lives: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=social+network+and+old+age&ia=web (hopefully that's enough citation), and regularly showing up to congregation is probably a huge step in having a social network.

Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by Gordonjcp on Saturday November 05, 2022 @05:53PM (#33486253)
Actually they edited the post between my reply and your reply to my reply.
Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by mcv on Thursday November 03, 2022 @06:00AM (#33448979)
At my first job, the boss/owner of the company knew a lot about wine. As a result, the Christmas gift basket contained a lot of excellent wines that I wouldn't have been able to pick out myself. But I guess that's an example of expertise.

And of course it's not much use to someone who doesn't like wine (they may have had a non-alcoholic alternative).

Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by lupire on Thursday November 03, 2022 @08:56AM (#33450257)
"excellent wines" or a great example of a wasteful gift because excellent wines aren't substantially better than OK wines, unless you are a wine enthusiast (not just a wine drinker).

It's like giving out RTX 3080s en masse. Most people won't get the value of what you spent.

Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by mcv on Thursday November 03, 2022 @09:42AM (#33450814)
And excellent wine can be a lot better than an OK wine for a similar cost. I think it's a perfect example where some expertise can dramatically increase the value. For wine drinkers, at least.
Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by devilbunny on Thursday November 03, 2022 @10:47AM (#33451820)
The great thing about wine as a gift is that it doesn't go bad quickly. Even if you don't drink it, you can re-gift it to someone who will appreciate it.
Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by pheasantquiff on Thursday November 03, 2022 @06:28AM (#33449107)
Long, interesting and thoughtful comment chain created by posting an, effectively, empty link on HN.

(reached the first page too!)

Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by seb1204 on Thursday November 03, 2022 @06:37AM (#33449165)
I agree with this. I have started the following a number of times. I would really appreciate if I get gifted something most of people find mundane e.g. socks. Unless I need special socks for something specific I really care very little. So if someone uses his time to save me from doing quality sock shopping I value this a lot and would be happy about the gift. I don't like cheap and wear once socks though.
Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by josh_fyi on Thursday November 03, 2022 @06:46AM (#33449216)
My feet are very large (available only at specialty retailers), so a sock gift risks being useless.
Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by toolslive on Thursday November 03, 2022 @07:33AM (#33449532)
> nearly all gifts are valued less by the receiver than the giver

exception: sexual favours ?

Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by P5fRxh5kUvp2th on Thursday November 03, 2022 @07:42AM (#33449590)
^ this is what it looks like when robots attempt to analyze human behavior.
Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by MaxMatti on Thursday November 03, 2022 @10:04AM (#33451155)
I always see gifts as recommendations. You don't need to have expertise to know about something that is more valuable than expected and that the person would not have bought for themselves. And the best gifts that I (or others around me) have received are things that turned out better than expected.
Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by ilyt on Thursday November 03, 2022 @10:47AM (#33451819)
Kinda why I hate getting gifts, I'd genuinely prefer for giver to just take me for a beer or something, I prefer company to them basically wasting time working to earn money to give me something I might or might not like.

On other side picking what to give is endless source of anxiety to me.

Re:Employee gift ideas that make people feel bad by bitcurious on Thursday November 03, 2022 @11:34AM (#33452609)
The gift is the very fact that it’s non optimal. I wouldn’t spend $500 on a coffee grinder. That’s the gift. Otherwise I’d already have that coffee grinder.

It’s only a “net negative” if the receiver of the gift can’t afford their necessities.

The same is true when there is information asymmetry. I wouldn’t spend $10 on this specific candy from Japan, because I didn’t know it existed. It’s “non optimal” and again that’s the gift. I get to try a new candy I’ve never heard of.