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Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by dmos62 on Monday September 19, 2022 @09:58AM (#32898378)
I've started running and an unexpected challenge is boredom. The running is challenging as is, but doing it for ~1h30m has been, for me, well, tedious. I guess that's a byproduct of always being within arm's reach of a phone.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by sz4kerto on Monday September 19, 2022 @10:11AM (#32898570)
This is one of the major benefits of LSD (long, slow, distance) running, especially for people who have (a slight) ADHD (like me).

It allows you to have solitude. I can't sit down and think quietly for an hour, because I .. just can't cope with the lack of stimuli. Running provides some baseline stimulus at least (plus I always set a specific goal, either a distance or a time goal so that I don't give it up), so I just need to survive the first 30 mins and then I get in the flow to some extent. Most of the good work I've done was actually done during long weekend runs -- then I have the week to actually do what I figured out during the run.

Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by Dangeranger on Monday September 19, 2022 @11:02AM (#32899295)
My ADHD symptoms have been drastically reduced after running daily for the past couple of months.

Even while using medication, running improves results on top of what I had been seeing. It also helps to have a physical challenge to complete every day in order to maintain a routine.

For my body, I need about 90 minutes of challenging physical exercise every day, or I start to seek stimulation in any form I can find, which is usually distracting from my primary goals.

Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by ativzzz on Monday September 19, 2022 @03:42PM (#32902946)
One of the top recommendations that pretty much every ADHD resource mentions is regular exercise. To be fair, running (exercising) daily will help pretty much everyone's mental health significantly.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by Taylor_OD on Monday September 19, 2022 @11:22AM (#32899603)
I've never done super long runs (anything over 20 miles) but I just find it too boring. I can listen to a podcast or something but unless I'm running in a new area its just moving kinda slowly through spaces I've already seen.

I've switched to biking now which tends to help my restless mind much more. I'm moving faster, I have to lock in more because when I'm going 15 mph or higher I cant zone out like I do when I'm running, and I can see more/new places if I want to.

Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by sz4kerto on Monday September 19, 2022 @11:59AM (#32900097)
Huberman talks about this in his podcast - he says that "don't stack dopamine". In this context - try to run without podcasts, then you'll enjoy more running and podcasts too.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by SketchySeaBeast on Monday September 19, 2022 @01:46PM (#32901512)
Huberman must be one of those guys who experience the runner's high - I can't say I ever have, so podcasts and running is about getting back to normal rather than multiplying the happy.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by Taylor_OD on Monday September 19, 2022 @07:34PM (#32905609)
Yeah... If I cant listen to a podcast while I run then I'm not going to run. It's not a thing I love doing. If I can listen to a podcast at the same time I feel like I'm doing something I don't like doing but its okay because I get to listen to a podcast.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by alar44 on Monday September 19, 2022 @10:50AM (#32899117)
Yeah that's why I MDMA (mid distance medium acceleration) I get the same benefits.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by jjslocum3 on Monday September 19, 2022 @11:00AM (#32899267)
You might instead try THC (technical, high-cardio) running; it takes up less of your weekend.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by edmcnulty101 on Monday September 19, 2022 @11:22AM (#32899604)
Crack is also good for weight loss. The crystallized form of cocaine.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by x-n2o on Monday September 19, 2022 @11:46AM (#32899921)
There are of course, other METHods to go about it.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by prvit on Tuesday September 20, 2022 @10:54AM (#32912503)
Regular cocaine HCl is crystalline too.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by agumonkey on Monday September 19, 2022 @11:46AM (#32899931)
The trend these days is Cardiac Basal Distance. Works best on low altitude.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by agumonkey on Monday September 19, 2022 @11:45AM (#32899914)
I think I'm biologically [0] wired like this. I feel good when I'm deeply active. Running makes my mind wander, my body better (deeper breathing, more cardiac activity). Bonus point when I get runners high.

[0] I've heard my grand parents were also never ending workers.

Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by eagsalazar2 on Monday September 19, 2022 @12:04PM (#32900159)
I experience this same benefit from a walking desk. I thought it would be distracting but somehow that 10% of my brain being occupied by walking actually makes it way easier for me to focus otherwise.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by roddux on Monday September 19, 2022 @11:32AM (#32899722)
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by collegeburner on Monday September 19, 2022 @11:54AM (#32900032)
this is assuming you can manage the long part... my trash cardio got me wheezing after 15 minutes jog and walk alternating.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by CitrusFruits on Monday September 19, 2022 @10:05AM (#32898477)
I've been a runner for a long time and this is absolutely a thing, it's not just you. Running do over an hour gets boring unless you're trail running and have different scenery to look forward to. That being said, a lot of people get bored (or worse, are actively displeased) much quicker and can't even run without music to entertain them.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by peter422 on Monday September 19, 2022 @11:49AM (#32899958)
FWIW I can run without music and find it pleasurable, but I get much, much more joy out of running with music.

I don’t think there needs to be any judgement for somebody who “needs” music to run. Music is great!

Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by phasersout on Monday September 19, 2022 @11:10AM (#32899422)
I run without any noise and sometimes I do when the track goes through a nice forest or so. But for anything longer than 3 - 5 km there is gladly no shortage of music-playlists, podcasts or audio books to choose from.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by kamaal on Tuesday September 20, 2022 @01:23AM (#32907965)
>>Running do over an hour gets boring unless you're trail running and have different scenery to look forward to.

As somebody into heavy hands walking this is precisely my problem. Urban walking gets boring and tedious quickly.

Most people who enjoy these activities are basically looking forward to spending some time in solitude walking in natural spaces where there is much green, sunlight, wind and some scenery to relish.

Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by BurningFrog on Monday September 19, 2022 @10:06AM (#32898497)
That's why I can't do running.

I can't get over the fact that it's a painful way to get from A to A. Some optimizing party of me is always screaming WE COULD JUST HAVE STAYED AT A!

Now, if they're is a ball to chase and a game to win, I can run until I fall over...

Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by oliwary on Monday September 19, 2022 @11:55AM (#32900041)
Have you tried something like Zombies, Run?

It is kind of a gamified running game, with audio clips and interactive elements. For example, at certain times zombies appear and you have to increase your pace for a bit. In the meantime you follow a story about a post-apocalyptic world, with characters etc. I tried it for a while, worked pretty well!

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/zombies-run/id503519713

Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by capableweb on Monday September 19, 2022 @10:10AM (#32898556)
> Now, if they're is a ball to chase and a game to win, I can run until I fall over...

Well, there's the solution :) Make a game out of it. Some find it helpful to reward themselves if they can reach some sort of goal (under X minutes per km) and not otherwise, then you have something of a game.

Otherwise, if you're a bit competitive, find another competitive friend and compete who can run for longest without giving up. Loser buys the other one beers for evening.

Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by BurningFrog on Monday September 19, 2022 @10:38AM (#32898935)
I run Bay To Breakers done years, and it's vastly easier surrounded by people who also run.

Even though they're complete strangers, there is some social pressure to keep going.

I'm sure a running group could also work for me.

Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by ThePadawan on Monday September 19, 2022 @11:30AM (#32899696)
> I can't get over the fact that it's a painful way to get from A to A. Some optimizing party of me is always screaming WE COULD JUST HAVE STAYED AT A!

I feel absolutely the same... about taking a walk. That seems incredibly pointless, as you say.

However, if I jog the same route, I burn X kcal, and after dieting for a while, I know how much X is, weighed in food. Very tasty food, this long into a diet. That makes it incredibly easy to instead go for that jog.

It's incredibly weird. I can also take a 1h walk no problem to go buy milk at a shop 30min away. That ticks a box, so it's a Job Well Done for my brain.

Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by yamtaddle on Monday September 19, 2022 @11:07AM (#32899373)
Exactly the same, plus the weird effect that when I finish a run I spend the rest of the day feeling like I'm coming down with the flu, while if I play a ball-chasing game so intensely that I puke, I feel invincible the rest of the day (win or lose). All in my head, I guess, but I can't shake the feeling that one leaves me unhealthy while the other leaves me healthy. Really strange—and that, on top of one being the most boring thing I've ever done on purpose and the other being really fun.

So yeah, running... not for me.

Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by ryeights on Monday September 19, 2022 @11:12AM (#32899445)
You might be overtraining! While a more intense run can certainly have that effect, especially to a new or infrequent runner, a light effort jog (zone 1 heart rate or below) usually leaves you feeling better than you started.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by sirsinsalot on Monday September 19, 2022 @12:06PM (#32900187)
This. When I over train my body just rattles with impending doom anxiety for days while I feel like I have a bad cold.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by zecaurubu on Monday September 19, 2022 @10:48AM (#32899091)
I'm the same, but I found out I really like rucking (weighted marches). Grab a backpack, put some weight on it, and take a walk around your neighborhood while listening to a good podcast. Currently I walk 4-5km with a 14kg backpack, 3-4x a week. Some more details here: https://www.artofmanliness.com/health-fitness/fitness/the-be...
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by bumby on Monday September 19, 2022 @11:28AM (#32899676)
I was the same way, but it helped that I've more recently made a conscious effort to be process focused instead of outcome focus. Oliver Burkeman's book Four Thousand Weeks was good at reframing for me.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by onychomys on Monday September 19, 2022 @11:25AM (#32899643)
I love long bike rides, I do 40 miles most weekends. Then when I occasionally try running, all I can think is how incredibly slow it is. It's all the pain of exercising without the fun of actually going anywhere!
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by igouy on Monday September 19, 2022 @07:15PM (#32905441)
Run faster. That will be different.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by kiba on Monday September 19, 2022 @01:25PM (#32901250)
You're running way too hard. Focus on zone 2, and it ain't so hard. Of course, you do want to go faster, but these training should be the minority of your run.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by chipgap98 on Monday September 19, 2022 @10:01AM (#32898421)
I think that's also an upside of running. It's a forcing function to be away from screens and occupy your own mind.

Though music or podcasts can be a nice way to break up the monotony if you are struggling

Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by fallat on Monday September 19, 2022 @10:03AM (#32898467)
This. It forces you to start actually using your imagination again, and your current working memory to work on problems being away from things.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by neilv on Monday September 19, 2022 @10:25AM (#32898762)
When I ran (casually), there seemed to be three non-boring factors:

* Running through the city, there's the changing scenery, and also being very careful about constant tripping hazards, cars, pedestrians.

* Running on a treadmill or in an empty university track lane, you can hit a sustainable pace in which you can just zone out and think.

* The exertion, and trying to manage that and not be injured, while keeping going, wasn't pleasant, but it wasn't boring.

When a combination of fatigue and boredom did strike, on a track, I'd stretch the slow jog to the nearest lap mark, then suddenly sprint another half lap just by telling myself I could and this was the time for it, and then be glad everything worked and didn't explode. (I'm not sure this was a good idea, physically, but it was emotionally reassuring and symbolic.)

Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by tibbon on Monday September 19, 2022 @10:41AM (#32898985)
I joined a Hash House Harriers group, which helps a lot with boredom. It's running somewhat chaotically in the woods, and you're constantly needing to find the trail. Its quite social. There are some cultural aspects around drinking and such that I don't love, but overall it is a net positive and far more engaging than other types of running for me.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by dahart on Monday September 19, 2022 @11:07AM (#32899368)
FWIW, two things that help for me: 1- trail running, especially longer distances. Spending 4 hours and going 20 miles one way through the woods gives me a sense of travel and distance and freedom I can’t get in the city. 2- listening to something while I run, podcasts or music or language lessons like Pimsleur. For a short 30 min run, sometimes even pace music works for me, even though it seemed like it could be more boring, running to a good 170 BPM playlist is kinda fun. For both of these, mixing things up a lot is helpful for me too, always finding new routes and new audio to go with.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by SketchySeaBeast on Monday September 19, 2022 @10:01AM (#32898428)
I queue up podcasts or audio-books and use it as uninterrupted me time, though I do find audio-books harder to listen to on 2+ hour runs just because my mind tends to wander by that point. I find that podcasts are easier to mentally tune in and out of.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by yreg on Monday September 19, 2022 @10:14AM (#32898610)
For me it's the only time (perhaps other than driving) I can truly focus on an audiobook. Ideally a nonfiction one, so it can be paused until the next workout at any time without creating a cliffhanger.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by hombre_fatal on Monday September 19, 2022 @10:19AM (#32898687)
When I find a particularly engaging audiobook, I reserve it only for running. Works really well. I've done extra laps just to hear more of the book.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by kendallpark on Monday September 19, 2022 @10:14AM (#32898619)
Try a run that is much longer (eg, 3 hours), then see how your 1.5 hour run feels. Usually you need a larger-than-normal stimulus to elicit adaptation. In my experience, the mind adapts to these things and will essentially learn to shut off.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by Dangeranger on Monday September 19, 2022 @10:58AM (#32899230)
For the past year I’ve been running a lot, and I’ve found that listening to podcasts and/or audio books is a great way to stay cognitively engaged with something other than the physical sensations of running, as a bonus you get to learn and experience cool stuff.

There is also a benefit to running without audio, in that you have a chance to let your imagination go wild, or try to focus hard on your breathing, cadence, and form, but I can understand that being challenging for many people to do for an hour or more at a time.

Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by __mharrison__ on Monday September 19, 2022 @11:03AM (#32899327)
I also second running without audio stimulus. Your brain can do some wonderful things when left to its own devices.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by foobarian on Monday September 19, 2022 @10:55AM (#32899191)
My problem with running was knee malfunction. I don't know how people do it short of just accepting the damage and/or getting mechanical replacements.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by voisin on Monday September 19, 2022 @11:00AM (#32899260)
Go slower, allow your musculature to adapt. The aerobic system adapts quickly and then beginners go farther or faster to “feel” the same challenge but the musculature adapts more slowly and then injuries occur.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by doc_gunthrop on Monday September 19, 2022 @02:50PM (#32902300)
I had some knee pain issues (likely caused by ITBS) last year when I increased my running frequency. Not wanting to rest for more than a few days, I'd still go running and then just reduce to a walk when the pain became unbearable.

I researched and found a few helpful tips that helped eliminate the problem. One was to correct my running form. Overstriding will kill your knees; don't let your upper body lean back from your lower body. Your body should be vertically aligned, head to foot, with each landing (though a slight forward tilt of your torso is fine). Another tip is to incorporate lower body strength exercises. Lastly, be sure to do stretches after (at least half of) your runs.

These days I run almost daily and experience no knee pain. At my current rate I'm on track to finish 2000 miles for the year.

Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by andscoop on Monday September 19, 2022 @11:00AM (#32899259)
Damage from running, while not unusual, is not the default. Running does not wear out the knees long term.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by Dangeranger on Monday September 19, 2022 @11:09AM (#32899414)
Try going for shorter distances, at slower speeds, with less hills, more often.

Make sure that you have 2-3 rest days per week for the first 60-90 days, then it’s okay to start ramping up by adding 10% more miles per week.

Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by dilyevsky on Monday September 19, 2022 @11:01AM (#32899272)
Fix your form and/or weight. Unless you’re doing technical trails or sprinting knees should never have any issues
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by SketchySeaBeast on Monday September 19, 2022 @11:56AM (#32900057)
Everyone has had good points about conditioning, but I'm surprised no one has said it yet - fresh running shoes. I go through a pair each year. Until your body has adapted it's very important to have a good pair of supportive but cushioning shoes.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by Aromasin on Monday September 19, 2022 @12:34PM (#32900576)
I have the strictly opposite advice to recommend. Ditch the cushioning completely. I had stress injuries every year until swapping to barefoot shoes, and have experienced none since. It changed my gait and allowed my stabiliser muscles to actually function. Could not recommend it enough.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by SketchySeaBeast on Monday September 19, 2022 @01:38PM (#32901419)
Were you experiencing knee pain? It could be possible you were at a level were your tissues were adapted enough to able to accept that additional straing. And I would stress that works for you probably won't for others - as a few counter examples, Mr Sorokin was wearing shoes with cushions during his run, and other elite runners who grew up running shoe-less, such as Haile Gebreselassie, run with shoes.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by sritchie on Monday September 19, 2022 @10:59AM (#32899246)
I wouldn’t say it’s a given that running torches your knees - mechanics, flexibility and musculature make a big difference.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by jinto36 on Monday September 19, 2022 @10:15AM (#32898622)
I treat it as meditative, "connect with nature" time. Treadmills, however, are indeed terrible, but then it's easy to watch things. I was never a fan of listening to things while running, some combination of having to have volume high enough to cover the wind noise, and wanting to maintain situational awareness.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by ghastmaster on Monday September 19, 2022 @11:00AM (#32899264)
I started with this problem when I first started running. Once I was conditioned, the boredom went away. I was only doing 45 min. I was on an outdoor trail with different paths through different environments I could choose from.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by jan_Inkepa on Monday September 19, 2022 @10:06AM (#32898495)
For me I've always found running outdoors engaging, but swimming laps becomes quickly tedious. I once as an experiment did a half marathon on a circular sports centre track to see how it compared and it was awful.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by Accacin on Monday September 19, 2022 @10:34AM (#32898882)
That's one of the things I love about running, after about 12 hours I even stop having things to think about :D
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by fritzo on Monday September 19, 2022 @11:23AM (#32899617)
Gosh I find it takes a lot of mental effort to monitor the body while running. I spend a lot of mental effort balancing exertion among muscles (left-right, calf-quad-glut, legs-arms), tuning pace, "shifting gears" in terms of breaths per stride when terrain slope varies.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by Analemma_ on Monday September 19, 2022 @11:24AM (#32899628)
I listen to techno/EDM-- which in any other context I can't stand context-- and that was the discovery which helped a lot with the boredom issue. I've tried listening to podcasts/audiobooks, but I either lose focus on running or the words.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by ordu on Monday September 19, 2022 @11:45AM (#32899908)
You need to repeat it many times. Then your mind will grasp the idea: you run marathon, you get endorphins, you feel good. When conditioning kicked in, it wouldn't be such a boring experience.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by cainxinth on Monday September 19, 2022 @12:13PM (#32900290)
Music, podcasts, audiobooks, calling a friend… there are plenty of activities that can keep you entertained while running. I like to download comedy specials and rip the audio for my runs.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by airstrike on Monday September 19, 2022 @11:46AM (#32899924)
I have a terrible solution for this, which is to run indoors on a treadmill (or do any similar form of cardio) and watch Netflix while on it
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by jononomo on Monday September 19, 2022 @11:50AM (#32899977)
You get more benefit from just walking, I believe.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by igouy on Monday September 19, 2022 @07:24PM (#32905528)
Walking is good.

Walking doesn't raise the heart rate enough.

https://www.ntnu.edu/cerg/personal-activity-intelligence#Bet...

Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by kamaal on Tuesday September 20, 2022 @01:43AM (#32908071)
Wrong, Walking can be more beneficial than even swimming or running if done right.

Please see: https://www.artofmanliness.com/health-fitness/fitness/heavyh...

Basically use all your four limbs while working out, even running appears to be a dumb way of exercising since only two limbs are involved at any given time.

Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by igouy on Tuesday September 20, 2022 @02:08AM (#32908230)
As-it says — "… at certain levels, Heavyhands Walking approaches the cardiovascular workload of jogging" — but not the cardiovascular workload of running.

If walking is what you are happy to do, then use resting heart rate and maximum heart measurements to guide your effort.

Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by kamaal on Tuesday September 20, 2022 @07:06AM (#32910164)
>>pumping 3-lb weights while walking briskly generated 2.5-3X the workload of walking without the weights, and at certain levels, Heavyhands Walking approaches the cardiovascular workload of jogging.

This the full sentence. The cardiovascular workload of jogging is for sub 2 kg weights.

So it depends on the weights and pump levels your are using. 1 - 2 kg weights definitely has cardiovascular workloads of jogging. The >2 kg weights are a different deal altogether. In my experience running doesn't hold a candle to what happens from 3 kg onwards. In a 2 hour walk, you are lifting tons of weights as your are walking(with extra kgs of weight on your body), for like 2 hours straight.

It might even be unfair to compare it with running because this is really a very different exercise altogether. Only thing that I found somewhat comparable is swimming.

As a general rule never exercise with just two limbs alone. Its a poor return on investment for the time spent. This literally follows from logic.

Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by igouy on Tuesday September 20, 2022 @12:58PM (#32914571)
However you choose to exercise, measure resting heart rate and maximum heart rate to fact-check.

https://www.ntnu.edu/cerg/personal-activity-intelligence#Bet...

Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by kamaal on Tuesday September 20, 2022 @11:26PM (#32920519)
https://functional-strength.org/heavy-hands-training-dr-len-...

There are some more details in the above article.

The highest VO2 maximums ever recorded by a group of athletes were not registered by endurance runners, which is what he had logically presupposed before his investigations, but rather by Russian and Norwegian cross-country skiers. Why was this? He wondered. It didn't take long for him to come up with the answer: the skiers generated propulsion using all four limbs. The runners used only their legs.

While the majority of the aerobic world used two limbs, the legs, in their respective modes, the skiers were using four limbs to power locomotion.

The poundage possibilities were limitless. A person moving a pair of 20 pound dumbbells short distances for 10 minutes would net far different results than a jogger throwing 2 pound hand weights head high for 60 minutes.

Len's own transformation was mind-blowing and pointed out how effective the studies use of quad-limbed cardio exercise could be ...

(Followed by a table of resting heart rate details)

"The elite marathoner runs at approximately 75% of his maximum workload capacity. A Heavyhand user can generate 50% of leg capacity, 50% of arm capacity and exceed the marathon runner's 75% of maximum capacity using legs only. This is why Heavyhands feels easier. Lots of units, each doing less, add up to more."

Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by igouy on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @12:33AM (#32920827)
As-before, measure your own resting heart rate and maximum heart rate to fact-check.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by jononomo on Tuesday September 20, 2022 @06:35PM (#32918686)
Thanks -- I've now added 2-pound weights to my walks. I felt some bicep burn during an hour of walking uphill on the treadmill.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by kamaal on Tuesday September 20, 2022 @11:16PM (#32920460)
Ideally the 'pump' is not for your biceps, but shoulders. The book is really nice, he goes into the details of how it's to be done.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by jononomo on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @06:02PM (#32932144)
Ok, so I just did 4.1 miles on the treadmill at 8% uphill slope with 5-pound weights in each hand. I'm sure it works the shoulders as well, but there is definitely some bicep work going on there -- you have to keep your elbows bent, for one thing, which means your biceps must be doing some work.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by kamaal on Saturday September 24, 2022 @12:31AM (#32959756)
I'm still at 1 kg, brisk walk, 2 hours straight. Will go to 2.5 kgs soon.

Its great you were able to walk with a 2.5 kgs on the very first try.

Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by jononomo on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @10:08AM (#32925374)
I think I'm going to go up to 3-pound weights. It definitely feels like a more complete workout.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by kamaal on Saturday September 24, 2022 @12:29AM (#32959742)
It feels far more tiring than a regular jog, or a run.

The higher weights will be even better. It feels so obvious now that we see this, but it follows from common sense, with four limbs and weights the workload is far higher than a regular walk/jog/run.

There is no sense in going to back to regular plain weightless hand walk/run/jogs.

Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by psychomugs on Monday September 19, 2022 @10:09AM (#32898533)
I run enough for others to classify me as a runner, and they are always surprised when I say that I almost never listen to music or bring anything more than a watch.

For me, having to deal with The Suck and be alone with yourself and your feelings is part of the challenge.

Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by ericmay on Monday September 19, 2022 @10:12AM (#32898583)
I don't run as much as I used to but empathize with this. It's fine to mix it up too. When I was doing longer runs I'd listen to a long podcast.

With weight lifting and higher intensity exercise I make a point to not listen to music to build up a tiny bit of mental toughness and be stuck with The Suck and also myself. Music is a crutch.

Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by psychomugs on Monday September 19, 2022 @10:28AM (#32898809)
I do listen to music cached on my Apple Watch every now and then, but I got it primarily for quick voice note taking. Many an idea - most bad, some great - were birthed from The Suck.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by lotsofpulp on Monday September 19, 2022 @10:13AM (#32898599)
Same. I do not now what the definition of meditate is, but I imagine I come close to it while running.
Re:Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6... by inkcapmushroom on Monday September 19, 2022 @12:57PM (#32900893)
I don't run but I do a lot of walking. My mind wanders a huge amount during my walks, which I find nice. I am usually so focused on preventing my mind from wandering, even in leisure activities, for example by focusing on a movie or book. Sometimes I stay up later because it means I'll fall asleep quicker and not be alone with my thoughts waiting for sleep for as long. But I think there's a definite need in the human mind for time to sort things out internally, even if (and maybe especially if) there's thoughts you're trying to escape from.