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Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by ortusdux on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @03:37PM (#32335884)
I once took a critical thinking course and bought the textbook 2nd hand from the college bookstore. A week or two in, I noticed half of a sentence written in the margin. As the professor started teaching the topic from that page, he rhetorically asked a question, did not get an answer, and then answered himself with the sentence from the book. I filliped ahead and found that the entire book was annotated with all of his answers, anecdotes, and various other helpful notes. There was even a table that accurately listed his wardrobe choices! The notes were in several different handwritings, and the book had been resold over a dozen times, so that professor must have been teaching the same class the exact same way for a decade or more. I quickly became a star pupil as I always had an answer ready. I added a few notes along the way and then sold it back to the bookstore at the end of the year. I really wanted to keep it for posterity, but It just seemed wrong to take it out of circulation.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by tshaddox on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @05:49PM (#32337000)
So my version of that story is less analog and arguably less academically honest. I had a somewhat challenging mid-level math class in college where after each homework assignment and test the professor would give us a URL to a PDF of his scanned handwritten completed version of the work. The URL path was something like /math-321/2019/fall/test-1.pdf, and the professor diligently made sure that each file wasn't available until after each test was graded. Unfortunately, the professor was not sufficiently diligent to remove URLs using the exact same pattern for previous years and semesters of the same course. I discovered throughout the course that there had been some trivial changes to the assignments and tests (moving questions around, slightly changing constants, etc.) and only a few non-trivial changes.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by gtk40 on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @06:10PM (#32337156)
Reminds me of over a decade ago I was in a high school AP course. At the start of the course, the teacher recommended we get a AP prep book to study throughout the year, and recommended 2 brands. She specifically said not to get one brand, noting that it was of inferior quality. I had already got the prep book she didn't recommend as I had found it on sale before that remark was made. I later learned that she used that book for all of her test questions, sometimes literally copying the test from the book with minimal editing. I got a 100% on a test out of the blue after averaging in the 80s and then had to make it less obvious.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by fezfight on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @07:35PM (#32337677)
Similarly, with a slight twist, a prof I had used to recommend we read the entire text book, not just the chapters required for the class. It was an open book exam so people figured they could annotate the pages or whatever and didn't bother to follow his adcice. He would often say, 'everything [we] ever want to know is in that book!'

He was right. The final exam was verbatim the practice exam given at the end of the book. As luck would have it, I had discovered the practice exams a week earlier. Once I realized they were identical to the final, I literally copied the answers and handed it in. It was a 3 hour exam and half the class was done in 15 minutes.

Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by fuzzfactor on Thursday August 04, 2022 @02:42AM (#32339904)
I had one where on the first day of the semester, the very first thing the minute the class started, the professor casually said "if you do every homework problem in the book, you'll get an A on the final."

Not everyone was there on time, some students were going to drop & add the class and most people weren't paying attention.

He casually joked for a couple minutes then settled down to get started.

There was never another hint.

When the final came, each question was verbatim from homework problems that were not assigned.

Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by benj111 on Thursday August 04, 2022 @04:16AM (#32340486)
I had an exam once where we were told to read the entire question paper first.

At the end it told you to ignore all previous questions and just do this one.

2nd favourite exam question after an economics multiple choice exam where we had to calculate the probability of passing the exam just by guessing.

Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by The-Bus on Thursday August 04, 2022 @02:09PM (#32346308)
I once had a sociology professor whose final was multiple choice and every answer (out of 50) was a B, except for the last, which was a C.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by Aeolun on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @08:56PM (#32338180)
That’s a fun anecdote, but horrible teaching.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by wyclif on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @11:22PM (#32339008)
Here's my little related story. I was in one of my fave used book stores (Baldwin's Book Barn in West Chester, PA) which is not exactly close to where I was living at the time. After browsing for an hour or so and picking out a few books, I spied a title on a top shelf that I thought was interesting but couldn't remember ever seeing before. I pulled the book down and began perusing it, and on the inside cover there was a familiar-looking stamped bookplate that said "Property of <My Name>." I was a little freaked out because I couldn't remember ever owning the book. After thinking about it a few minutes, I dimly recalled lending the book to somebody years ago and I guess it was never returned to me. When I went downstairs to the checkout counter, I showed the older man working that day my ID and the bookplate while telling my story, saying I never got a chance to read this book. He very kindly told me to just take the book and didn't charge me for it, saying "I'm just glad it found its way back to you."
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by fezfight on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @11:56PM (#32339195)
What a lovely story, thank you for sharing.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by mbg721 on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @11:25PM (#32339016)
It depends what the class was for. I had a sort of similar experience with a physics class where the professor would take a break mid-exam and just give everyone the answers, but it was a class that was a prerequisite for engineering students who didn't care and really didn't need to, and also a stepping stone for the passionate physics students who did care, but would do the heavy lifting later. The prof was well-regarded for spending his time more on helping with true understanding for the students who cared.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by fezfight on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @11:55PM (#32339186)
That describes my entire education.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by WalterBright on Thursday August 04, 2022 @11:14AM (#32344004)
Wouldn't you rather learn the material?
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by fezfight on Thursday August 04, 2022 @11:18AM (#32344057)
Sure. Not a lot of learning going on during exams, I'm afraid.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by WalterBright on Saturday August 06, 2022 @03:04AM (#32365700)
Cheating on the exam means it wasn't learned.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by Cerium on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @08:22PM (#32337965)
My chapter of Tau Beta Pi (engineering honor society) got so tired of how unfair it was that people would share around old tests and decided to do something about it. Since there is no way to stop people from doing this, we got permission from the dean to start a test and study sheet bank and made it publicly accessible on a website.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by wrp on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @10:02PM (#32338529)
Over his whole career as a professor, my father was so concerned about test sharing that he kept a file of every test he ever gave and was careful to never ask the same question twice.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by busyant on Thursday August 04, 2022 @07:25AM (#32341538)
> my father was so concerned about test sharing that he kept a file of every test

I finished 2nd in my high school class (humble brag) because my best friend cheated (and got a zero) for an important biology term paper.

Story:

- My friend hated biology and he decided he would save time by submitting his older brother's bio term paper as his (his brother was 4 years older).

- A month after we handed in our term papers, the bio teacher asks my friend to step into his office, whereupon he shows him a copy of his brother's term paper. Big fat zero.

- It dinged my friend just enough that (even though he was more talented) he finished 3rd in the class.

- I ended up getting a tuition waiver to our state university (where we both went).

That laziness cost him about $10K in tuition (in 1980s dollars).

edit: the person who finished 1st in our class went to Yale. She was more talented than both of us combined.

Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by worthless-trash on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @11:07PM (#32338908)
Respect, the amount of work to do that is mind boggling.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by 6510 on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @11:55PM (#32339188)
Its easy to spot the pattern and useful to know what wont be asked.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by Beldin on Thursday August 04, 2022 @07:44AM (#32341639)
Errr... many questions can just vary numbers a bit. There's very little value to knowing that the inverse of 3 mod 7 won't be asked this exam - it's trivial to change the numbers and test the same knowledge with a slightly but sufficiently different question.

I imagine there's a somewhat similar type of questions for non-CS disciplines (same case description, different key clue, hence different answer).

Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by 6510 on Thursday August 04, 2022 @08:38AM (#32342023)
It's not entirely trivial, it takes work. If you are simply changing the number but ask the inverse of x mod y every time you didn't win the game. 2 out of 3 times changes nothing.

I had the most fun with multiple choice tests. I took the average A,B,C and D answers from previous tests. The teacher not paranoid would have a lot of B, slightly less A and C and below average D answers. The paranoid teacher would have perfect distribution. The supper paranoid used some kind of RNG which also comes in patterns.

One of each type came to ask me how I did it at the end. The last one was funniest. He had one test with a trick question that everyone got wrong. It just didn't have enough C. One of my answers was more likely wrong than right. I had to go over the A,B,D answer candidates a few times. Reduced the list to 3 potential trick questions. Figured out that 2 of them were correct. Don't ask me why but the remaining one must have been C.

He explained how over his [long] career he started out with to few D answers. I name the other teachers still doing that. He then went for the perfect distribution. I name the teachers still doing that. And now he thought he had the perfect formula. How am I suppose to fix this?? He asked. I'm like, I'm not doing your homework but I do foresee a very interesting meeting with the other teachers.

edit: I did study but cheating was just to much fun. When they switched to tests on computers I made a good bit of money as administrator. I swapped some of the answers around so that the wrong answer was right and everyone got poor grades. They would purchase the list of correct answers from me. Then after they aced it I would reduce their grade to something sensible for the student. When they protested I told them that they paid for answers not for grades. Grades are very expensive as -hey- they could potentially ruin this good thing I got going here!

Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by jjeaff on Thursday August 04, 2022 @11:36AM (#32344304)
Am I understanding this comment correctly that you were administering tests and rigging them to cause people to fail and then charging people money to get the rigged answers for the tests so they could pass?

If so, this is some real unethical and criminal behavior.

But I'm inclined to think it's all made up considering the first part of the comment seems to imply that you were doing well on tests simply by guessing the answers based an A,B,C,D distribution. Which is silly as the best you are going to do with that strategy is maybe get a slight hint for a few of the more difficult questions.

Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by 6510 on Thursday August 04, 2022 @01:58PM (#32346167)
> Am I understanding this comment correctly that you were administering tests and rigging them to cause people to fail

They got many answers wrong on the test but I adjusted their grades later. The grades do have to be credible for the show to continue.

> and then charging people money to get the rigged answers for the tests so they could pass?

People who didn't bother to study purchased the answers but if they always had low grades they would forever have low grades.

> If so, this is some real unethical and criminal behavior.

The only thing that really bothered me was this: Modifying the log files left a log entry with a terminal number in the log. I provided the teaches with a fair clue by changing the test answers and indeed eventually they smelled a rat. The cat and mouse game couldn't go on forever, eventually they would figure it out. I picked a scapegoat, a girl who couldn't hurt a fly. It couldn't have happened to a nicer person.

The teachers ganged up around her pointed and shouted then suspended her for a week.

I thought they acted ridiculous so I erased everything from the server and arranged for backups to be formatted when attached.

A few years later I ran into her and apologized but she didn't recall the event.

The teachers were very happy to return to paper based tests.

> unethical and criminal behavior

Ah yes, was I ever that young? We got computers in school and all we were allowed to do was tests. I assure you I've learned quite a lot. For example: Backups should have write protect implemented in hardware. Who in their right mind....

Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by atmosx on Thursday August 04, 2022 @09:09AM (#32342376)
Yeah. Tests are broken :-)

Oral examination is way superior but you need a healthy “students to prof” ratio for that

Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by treeman79 on Thursday August 04, 2022 @10:47AM (#32343609)
My discrete mathematics course had an oral exam for the final exam. I took it as a summer course and the books didn’t arrive until 1/3 into the class’s.

I felt like I was BSing my entire oral exam but got an A.

I was never the same after that course. 10 hours a day of logical homework fundamentally changed how I thought.

To this day I still cringe when people use phrases like everyone or all without actually meaning the set of everyone in existence.

Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by Thorrez on Thursday August 04, 2022 @03:02AM (#32340041)
Many of my CS classes posted pdfs of a bunch of previous exams on the course resource site to study from.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by ktpsns on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @06:03PM (#32337112)
I did the same, shared with my fellows, got denounced, got a written warning by the university and the faculty hated me afterwards for "hacking".
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by causality0 on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @10:47PM (#32338761)
Gods I miss the halcyon days of pulling the entire file directory down and rooting around for interesting stuff like that.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by blippage on Thursday August 04, 2022 @09:10AM (#32342391)
> slightly changing constants

As a maths lecturer once said: some of the problems will be similar with some of the numbers changed. Pi, however, will remain the same. ;)

Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by idontwantthis on Thursday August 04, 2022 @12:19AM (#32339329)
My digital logic professor was so lazy he reused previous year homework questions on exams and exams were completely open notes. The old questions were available with answers on old versions of the course website that were still online. Everyone just brought the answers to each exam.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by robbintt on Thursday August 04, 2022 @12:22AM (#32339342)
He may not have been lazy; he may not believe in the system.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by MonkeyClub on Thursday August 04, 2022 @02:36AM (#32339865)
He was probably still believing in the salary he was drawing from the system.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by ralgozino on Thursday August 04, 2022 @08:30AM (#32341952)
Exams are for you to evaluate your progress, a professor doesn't give a flying duck about your grades, maybe only in the statical sense. You are only lying to yourself.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by greyhair on Thursday August 04, 2022 @08:53AM (#32342192)
Your GPA may be what gets your foot in the door, but your knowledge and your ability will determine the long arc of your career.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by ortusdux on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @07:03PM (#32337502)
In a similar vein, I also found a 1950's guide to a happy marriage that had been thoroughly annotated by the husband. He was so honest that it was like finding someone's therapy session notes at a thrift store. The inside cover had a pro-con table, with 'appearance' as the first entry in the con section. Inside the back cover was a game-plan that seemed to indicate that he wanted to strengthen his marriage, so I guess that's nice. I just hope that his wife didn't crack it open before it ended up in the donate pile.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by SLWW on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @08:01PM (#32337850)
Would love to find that book as I'm sure his annotations help set expectations.

It's nice when you find someone trying to improve there love life when the honeymoon phase is over and the somewhat crushing reality of her/him shortcomings come to the surface.

Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by calvinmorrison on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @08:21PM (#32337964)
Not a book, but I just picked up a index card metal box from the Goodwill. Somewhere around 50 index cards, diligently updated with new addresses, half on type half by hand. This guy was in correspondence, or at least subscribed to a half dozen oddball societies, religious groups and more boring local plumbing companies etc. It's a fascinating bit, I think for my next RR&R Challenge, I might try to find out who this guy was. Would make at least for a fun tale cold calling and saying "Hey, can you tell me what the current address you have on file for account #217 is?" . Most recent update looks to be around the year 2000.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by docmars on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @06:33PM (#32337317)
Your professor was the Half-Blood Prince.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by alexchantavy on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @07:47PM (#32337747)
Yes! This is exactly what this story reminded me of.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by kyleblarson on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @05:18PM (#32336759)
I took an intro econ course in college in 1999. The professor gave us his past tests to use as practice and some of them dated back to the late 1950's.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by mmorearty on Thursday August 04, 2022 @01:24AM (#32339638)
A joke I heard around 1988:

A young man went back to visit his old economics professor, under whom he had studied many years earlier. He took a look at the final exam the professor was preparing to give the students. He said, "Professor, this exam is identical to the one you gave us year ago!"

The professor replied, "That's okay, all the answers have changed."

Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by thechao on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @07:08PM (#32337528)
I took an OS course in 2005. The professor told us we wouldn't have to consider certain classes of scheduler because "none of the real computers the university bought had 'dynamic resource allocation'". I asked what he meant by that, and he said "requests for additional (or free'ing) memory, file handles, and other non-compute resources". I asked which machines had such features, and he replied with something weird like "UNIVAXEN". It was a ridiculous course.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by Flankk on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @09:26PM (#32338359)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNIVAC

The term is "dynamic storage allocation." We're talking about something so old I'm afraid I can't explain beyond that. I am a mere programmer and I don't wear a lab coat.

Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by afloyd on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @09:03PM (#32338221)
sounds like a weird portmanteau of unix and vaxen, a term I have heard used for the old dec vax machines, which did indeed run unix. so, not entirely gibberish, just mostly gibberish.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by Spooky23 on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @05:22PM (#32336789)
I took a German literature course in the 90s, the professor used the same quizzes and tests since the early 60s.

A buddy of mine had a copy and I took the class for an easy A. The only gotcha is that you had to be physically present and give him advance notice of you were to be out.

Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by HeyLaughingBoy on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @05:42PM (#32336946)
This is bringing back bad memories of my Electromagnetic Fields class...
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by zeristor on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @07:50PM (#32337761)
“None shall pass!”

My EM theory second year was quite tricky

Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by HeyLaughingBoy on Thursday August 04, 2022 @01:06PM (#32345508)
ROFLMAO!
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by madengr on Thursday August 04, 2022 @08:40AM (#32342042)
We had the “test of knowledge”, which if you didn’t pass (multiple attempts), you didn’t pass the course.

It was 60 questions in 180 seconds. No hard calculations, just stuff you were an embarrassment to the prof if you passed EM and didn’t know.

He gave it right before break (3 hour class). I got a 96 first attempt. Next highest grade was a 30. He said I could leave as the remainder of class was to go over the test. I literally strutted out and said I was going to have a cold beer. Good times.

Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by melony on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @05:59PM (#32337079)
Was there supply-demand curve pushing in the 1950s?
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by btilly on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @06:14PM (#32337189)
The classic supply-demand curve picture dates from 1890, so that would be a firm yes.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by lostlogin on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @11:13PM (#32338944)
This is like the Harry Potter book where Harry gets Voldemorts old potions notebook. It made him a star pupil too.

Do you have a scar on your eyebrow?

Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by cafeinux on Thursday August 04, 2022 @12:18AM (#32339317)
That's the sixth book, "Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince". But if I recall correctly, the original owner of the book, the Half-Blood Prince, was none other than Snape, not Voldemort.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by mecha_ghidorah on Thursday August 04, 2022 @02:50AM (#32339959)
God I thought that was such a weird book. It attempts to build loads of tension around the idea that an old textbook has gasp prewritten notes in it. I know that it tries to imply it might be Voldemort's textbook but even if it was... would that be a huge deal unless it had something useful/interesting specifically about Voldemort? For me at least that part of it fell spectacularly flat
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by jstx1 on Thursday August 04, 2022 @08:56AM (#32342232)
Actually Harry dismisses the idea about it being Voldemort very early in the book because Voldemort would never call himself half-blood.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by mecha_ghidorah on Thursday August 04, 2022 @08:56PM (#32350221)
Yeah that is true, and I do kind of remember that. Admittedly it has been a while and I have a (possibly incorrect) memory that it took annoyingly long for him to do that. My memory is also that despite dismissing it as Voldemort this text book was still treated as super ominous even after
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by ejolto on Thursday August 04, 2022 @05:10AM (#32340787)
Did you read the second book? Voldemort's diary plays a huge part in that one, so it's not surprising that the characters would find Voldemort's text book interesting or ominous (possible horcrux too).
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by mecha_ghidorah on Thursday August 04, 2022 @08:40PM (#32350144)
I did read the second book but the problem is that from a story perspective another old book being a horcrux would be... kinda lame IMO
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by ncmncm on Thursday August 04, 2022 @10:31AM (#32343406)
All the HP books were like that.

In most cases, somebody just doing the obvious thing at the beginning of the book would have left nothing to write about in the rest. So, they just didn't do that thing.

Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by lostlogin on Thursday August 04, 2022 @02:28AM (#32339818)
I stand corrected. Thanks.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by cure on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @07:37PM (#32337694)
> ... found that the entire book was annotated with all of his answers, anecdotes, and various other helpful notes.

Didn't that defeat the purpose of the critical thinking course?

Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by Victerius on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @11:17PM (#32338972)
"You dare use my own spells against me, Potter."
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by h0p3 on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @03:43PM (#32335943)
I hope you didn't cast any random spells scrawled in your Advanced Potion-Making book. Sectumsempra is a nono, I hear.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by gostsamo on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @04:18PM (#32336244)
Recently I read HPMOR and this paragraph was one of many delights there:

The cold in the room seemed to deepen. “A sixth-year Gryffindor cast a curse at one of my more promising students, a sixth-year Slytherin.”

Harry swallowed. “What...sort of curse?”

And the fury on Professor Quirrell’s face was no longer contained. “Why bother to ask an unimportant question like that, Mr Potter? Our friend the sixth-year Gryffindor did not think it was important!”

“Are you serious?” Harry said before he could stop himself.

“No, I’m in a terrible mood today for no particular reason. Yes I’m serious, you fool! He didn’t know. He actually didn’t know. I didn’t believe it until the Aurors confirmed it under Veritaserum. He is in his sixth year at Hogwarts and he cast a high-level Dark curse without knowing what it did.”

“You don’t mean,” Harry said, “that he was mistaken about what it did, that he somehow read the wrong spell description—”

“All he knew was that it was meant to be directed at an enemy. He knew that was all he knew.”

And that had been enough to cast the spell. “I do not understand how anything with that small a brain could walk upright.”

“Indeed, Mr Potter,” said Professor Quirrell.

There was a pause. Professor Quirrell leaned forward and picked up the silver inkwell from his desk, turning it around in his hands, staring at it as though wondering how he could go about torturing an inkwell to death.

“Was the sixth-year Slytherin seriously hurt?” said Harry.

“Yes.”

“Was the sixth-year Gryffindor raised by Muggles?”

“Yes.”

“Is Dumbledore refusing to expel him because the poor boy didn’t know?”

Professor Quirrell’s hands whitened on the inkwell. “Do you have a point, Mr Potter, or are you just stating the obvious?”

“Professor Quirrell,” said Harry gravely, “all the Muggle-raised students in Hogwarts need a safety lecture in which they are told the things so ridiculously obvious that no wizardborn would ever think to mention them. Don’t cast curses if you don’t know what they do, if you discover something dangerous don’t tell the world about it, don’t brew high-level potions without supervision in a bathroom, the reason why there are underage magic laws, all the basics.”

Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by shepherdjerred on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @04:29PM (#32336339)
Do you recommend HMOR? I’ve never heard of it, but the Wikipedia page sounded interesting
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by D-Coder on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @04:53PM (#32336546)
It's very funny. Every chapter has something. From Chapter 48 (about two pages long):

And when Harry had offered that hypothesis, Draco had claimed that he could remember a story - Harry hoped to Cthulhu that this one story was just a fairy tale, it had that ring to it, but there was a story - about Salazar Slytherin sending a brave young viper on a mission to gather information from other snakes.

If any snake a Parselmouth had talked to, could make other snakes self-aware by talking to them, then...

Then...

Harry didn't even know why his mind was going all "then... then..." when he knew perfectly well how the exponential progression would work, it was just the sheer moral horror of it that was blowing his mind.

And what if someone had invented a spell like that to talk to cows?

What if there were Poultrymouths?

Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by burlesona on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @04:55PM (#32336563)
I thought it was quite good. If you basically like Harry Potter but find it infuriating how often the protagonists problems could have been solved in five minutes if they would have just told the adults... then HPMOR might interest you. Now, it's a didactic book, it's rather long, and you may or may not agree with the author's worldview, so whether you'll really enjoy it I can't say. But it's very well-written and in some ways tells a more "believable" Harry Potter story than the originals.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by hiptobecubic on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @05:24PM (#32336813)
I feel like basically the only way in which the original Harry Potter story is more believable is that in the original story, almost everyone is impressively thoughtless
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by Amezarak on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @07:53PM (#32337793)
Well, in HPMOR, Harry discovers at the end he would have solved a quite major problem very early on if he had bothered to inform Dumbledore of some extremely important facts regarding Professor Quirrel.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by martin-t on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @06:13PM (#32337180)
Absolutely. It's probably the best book i've ever read.

Describing it as a Harry Potter fanfic is technically accurate but really doesn't do it justice. It's basically a story of what would happen if an extremely smart, educated and technically minded person would do if put into the role of Harry Potter.

Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by MollyRealized on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @04:49PM (#32336516)
Completely agree with other commenter. It's a very interesting read. I don't necessarily agree with every statement but it's a learning experience that is made exceptionally enjoyable by fantastic writing.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by gostsamo on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @04:34PM (#32336381)
Definitely. I might not always agree with the author, but reading it is like having an intelligent and funny conversation.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by Retric on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @08:43PM (#32338095)
It's ok for fanfiction, but very poor compared to literature.

Just don’t actually think about it too deeply or the entire premise falls apart. The world is 100% operating on the rule of cool, and that's ok.

Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by _dain_ on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @06:04PM (#32337116)
no it's terrible, see: https://danluu.com/su3su2u1/hpmor/
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by db48x on Thursday August 04, 2022 @11:39PM (#32351281)
Hmm. I disagree with several things in that review, but I think this is su3su2u1’s biggest mistake:

> The author is practically screaming “wouldn’t it be lazy that Harry’s darkside is because he is a horcrux?”

This is completely backwards. Eliezer goes to great lengths to put big clues all over the place that Harry is not a normal 11–year old, with the intent that the reader will _notice_ that something is wrong and try to figure out what it could be. Yes, “Harry is a Horcrux” might feel like an anticlimax, or even a cliche, because that’s how the original books went. But you’re supposed to look even deeper and realize what a horcrux really is. In order to work, a Horcrux has to preserve a copy of the caster’s memories, personality, intentions, etc. What really happened that night in Godric’s Hollow is that Voldemort copied his own memories and personality into the brain of an infant named Harry Potter.

I think it is fair to say that Eliezer is treating this as much like a Fair–Play Mystery as he can, so that it is possible for the user to make correct predictions about the end of the story. Not everyone likes this type of story, but for those who do the game of putting the book down at a certain point so that you can puzzle out the murderer’s identity is a big part of the draw. The “rules” of the Fair–Play Mystery are there to ensure that the author remembers to actually make all the clues available to the reader, that it isn’t always just the butler, etc.

To that end, he has several important scenes that examine the consequences of erasing memories, or adding new ones. The most blatant is when Harry is training with Mr Bester, who has all memory of the training erased after each session. As a result, Mr Bester ends up asking the same questions over and over, and being surprised and troubled by the same revelations each time he reads Harry’s mind. And then of course there is Rita Skeeter, and later Hermione, to hammer the lesson home.

Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by frosted-flakes on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @06:45PM (#32337388)
Worst "book" I've ever read, legitimately. I would read almost anything else over that. I've never read the review and I only read 5-6 chapters of the fanfic, but everything in that review rings true. The story was so hollow and lifeless that I couldn't bring myself to read further.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by vanviegen on Thursday August 04, 2022 @06:55AM (#32341374)
> Worst "book" I've ever read, legitimately.

[...]

> I only read 5-6 chapters

So you didn't read it.

As others have mentioned, the first couple of chapters are definitely not the best. But yeah, the book isn't for everyone.

Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by gostsamo on Thursday August 04, 2022 @06:03AM (#32341096)
Actually, I agree with lots of the stuff said by the reviewer, but most of them are not such dealbreakers for me as they are for him. At least I read the book as having fun with all the gaps in the wizard world and the personal fantasies of the author are on the back burner.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by beeboop on Thursday August 04, 2022 @08:10AM (#32341804)
The reviewer is seemingly an extremely bright and well educated person and also seems to be more familiar with most of the concepts introduced in the books than the original author. The reviewer also an educator and it makes sense that Eliezer's ham-fisted attempts to teach through writing would be annoying to him.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by brazzy on Thursday August 04, 2022 @08:54AM (#32342195)
The critique goes deeper. This is where it's most on point:

"So I wonder- is this story ACTUALLY teaching people things? Or is it just a way for people who already know some of the material to feel superior to Hariezer’s many foils?"

Actually that's exactly what rubs me wrong about the entire "rationalist community". A lot of it is convoluted ways for people to congratulate themselves how much smarter than everyone else they are.

Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by beeboop on Thursday August 04, 2022 @08:08AM (#32341794)
Thanks for linking this - I've read HPMOR half a dozen times (because it's entertaining, not because it's a great work of art) and this is a really good and entertaining discussion of it
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by savingsPossible on Thursday August 04, 2022 @04:32AM (#32340579)
I liked reading HPMOR and I am enjoying this "rebuttal" as well.

Especially the first few chapters, because there were more attempts at science explanation in HPMOR's initial chapters.

Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by nestorD on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @07:00PM (#32337480)
It starts terrible (I have read extracts of the first chapters to others and they don't fail to get laughs that the author did not intend) but you get used to its and the writer improves making it a very nice read by the end.

Overall, I would recommend to not give up in the first chapters.

Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by chanbam on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @05:22PM (#32336791)
I wholeheartedly recommend it
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by nanomonkey on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @05:22PM (#32336795)
It is good, but loooong. I would suggest the audio-book for a painless experience.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by Kichererbsen on Thursday August 04, 2022 @02:32AM (#32339847)
That's basically the plot of Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince!
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by MisterBastahrd on Thursday August 04, 2022 @10:46AM (#32343590)
Reminds me of a geology professor I had in college. She had a fully photographic memory and recited the entire book, word for word, front to back during class without anything at her lectern. As impressive as that was, it's also what made me skip her class except for tests, because what's the point?
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by UncleEntity on Thursday August 04, 2022 @12:54PM (#32345355)
Yeah, once I figured out a professor was teaching straight out of the textbook I’d just skip class and read the book before the tests. Was always the general ed classes nobody cared about, including the instructor, so no harm done.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by kaesar14 on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @03:41PM (#32335923)
You lived the Half Blood Prince!
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by trebbble on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @03:44PM (#32335956)
That element of the Half-Blood Prince was taken from real life. Used textbooks have been preferred by students for precisely for this reason (well, cost too, but this is a well-known benefit) in colleges since... well, probably since textbooks have existed.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by moron4hire on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @03:57PM (#32336074)
Halfway through my college experience (around 2002 or so), the university started putting up blinders in the bookstore while they stocked shelves and wouldn't let you buy your books until basically the first day of class, specifically in an attempt to stymie students finding their books, looking them up, and buying them at 1/10th the price online.

I mean, it wasn't my first experience with the university prioritizing profit over helping students, but it was definitely emblematic.

Most of us figured out that we could get along fine not having the textbook in the first couple of weeks of class. But ultimately, the university was out to actively sabotage the used textbook market. The only source of used books was online. So I never got to experience this community of used book students.

Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by GloriousKoji on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @04:39PM (#32336428)
They go through some pretty extreme lengths to get you to waste money on buying books from them. The English classes my university published a new "reader textbook" ever quarter. It was just a crappy bounded letter paper book with section from various novels that they change up every quarter so you couldn't use an old one. The on campus copy center and nearby kinkos/staples/officemax/officedepot wouldn't photocopy it but a half hour drive out would reach stores that didn't care. A photocopy costed about 1/5 of the price the university was selling it at.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by merlyn on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @05:16PM (#32336739)
Years ago at the university, we had to buy straightup photocopies of articles and such out of books/magazines/whatever that the class would be taught off of at the campus bookstore at prices much higher than per-page copy.

Something about paying the source for licensing and distribution was the reason given.

Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by AnimalMuppet on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @05:35PM (#32336907)
On the other hand, my physics prof in relativity made us buy photocopies of his lecture notes, since he didn't like any of the available textbooks. (Don't sneer - I'm pretty sure he was better than any of them.) His notes cost, IIRC, $4 for 90-100 pages. This was 1983, but still, four cents a page is pretty good.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by UncleEntity on Thursday August 04, 2022 @01:02PM (#32345462)
I had this one class on Picasso where the professor absolutely refused to use the only real book on the subject because the author didn’t properly give him credit from his thesis research so he handed out a folder of articles we passed around to make copies of. No licensing and distribution fees involved.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by tshaddox on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @05:51PM (#32337019)
Some book publishers also release new versions that change nothing other than make slight changes and reorderings of the exercises so that you can't easily use an old version for your homework assignments.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by my_usernam3 on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @07:00PM (#32337483)
I remember we had a forum group where 1 person each assignment would go to library to find out which question matched the one in the old book so his or her fellow peers all went out and bought the old one
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by konschubert on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @03:59PM (#32336101)
What happened if you ordered the books only after the first day of class?
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by trebbble on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @04:15PM (#32336224)
At my school the savvy students wouldn't buy their books until after the first session of a course anyway, since the professors would often, in that first meeting, explain that some books listed in the syllabus as required were actually optional, or that they'd support some set of older editions of a book than the syllabus listed ("it lists the 5th edition, but it's OK if you get the 4th, and if all you can get ahold of is the 3rd, see me after class and we'll get something sorted out—but nothing older than that").
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by moron4hire on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @07:41PM (#32337716)
That's what we did. We waited for the bookstore to open the aisles, found the books, ordered them online, and waited a few weeks to get them. This was before Amazon Prime shipping, you see. The professors were usually sympathetic.

Except my political science prof. So I just dropped the course. Fuck him and his unironic bowtie.

Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by ipaddr on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @05:00PM (#32336614)
In my experience they run out of books
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by selimthegrim on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @06:12PM (#32337167)
All the students in a course I was teaching apparently were using Chegg for the previous year’s textbook so I decided to use as a supplement (to Strang [which was not the previous year’s book but had all the answers online anyway]) an old Mir publishers book on Diff Eq which I can’t remember exactly how I got (either a bookstore in the French quarter or maybe a library remainder sale).

At any rate it turns out the English printing is so rare not only can it not be found on Libgen - the few copies online are selling for hundreds of dollars (which I certainly would not have paid for it). So not only did I luck into a paper fortune (I suspect this is a rather illiquid market - plus I had to go through and fix a bunch of typos by hand, so much for the Soviet STEM educational complex) the kids _definitely_ couldn’t find this on the Internet.

Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by cafeinux on Thursday August 04, 2022 @12:31AM (#32339388)
Did you put it on libgen?
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by selimthegrim on Thursday August 04, 2022 @02:48AM (#32339944)
I may soon - there is a book scanner in the med school library and I doubt very much they care about a Soviet copyrighted book (if USSR even asserted such a thing abroad or Russia does now for them).
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by actionfromafar on Thursday August 04, 2022 @04:28AM (#32340560)
Russia increasingly does not care about copyright of foreign stuff, so there's that symmetry going too.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by jrumbut on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @05:21PM (#32336788)
This thread is bringing back so many bad memories.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by coldtea on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @04:15PM (#32336217)
>Used textbooks have been preferred by students for precisely for this reason

Same as good class hand notes from students, that get (or used to get) photocopied and handed down through the years to new students...

Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by ortusdux on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @06:56PM (#32337453)
Yeah, I actually bought the textbook in '03, a few years before Half-Blood Prince was published. The whole experience did ruin the twist a bit as I saw it coming a mile away.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by kaesar14 on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @05:01PM (#32336624)
Well of course, but the element of the book being annotated by the professor himself is quite interesting and most similar to HBP.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by atombender on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @05:14PM (#32336720)
I don't think the parent is saying that the professor annotated the book, as that probably doesn't make any sense.

As I interpreted their story, the professor had a habit of asking questions and then answering them himself, if nobody offered an answer. Students wrote down those answers in the margins of the book.

Over time, the book collected a lot of these notes from different students.

Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by stevage on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @06:56PM (#32337456)
Oh thanks! I totally misunderstood too.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by 1-6 on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @05:38PM (#32336927)
This can make a nice movie plot.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by sebastianconcpt on Thursday August 04, 2022 @08:50AM (#32342144)
Totally!
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by topologie on Friday August 05, 2022 @10:33AM (#32356650)
This is really awesome. It's literally a real-life version of what happens in Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince. :)

From the wiki page: `Harry finds an old potions textbook, once belonging to "The Half-Blood Prince", an individual who wrote numerous spells and tips in the book. Harry, using the tips in the book, excels in Potions class, winning a bottle of Felix Felicis, or "Liquid Luck".`

Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by dotancohen on Thursday August 04, 2022 @02:42AM (#32339903)

  > I really wanted to keep it for posterity
Actually, by reselling the book back to the bookstore, you did literally ensure it's utility for posterity.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by anukin on Thursday August 04, 2022 @03:25PM (#32347193)
Seems like the story of half blood prince right there.
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by atmosx on Thursday August 04, 2022 @08:59AM (#32342259)
Hahaha sounds like the “half-blooded” Prince’s book!
Re:What’s the strangest thing you ever found in a book? by pm3003 on Thursday August 04, 2022 @02:15AM (#32339743)
Talk about critical thinking...