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Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by tshaddox on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:28PM (#28678993)
The best thing about this is that AMP links totally break “open this page in the website’s native app” links, which I encounter frequently, presumably because the browser is on an AMP proxy domain and thus the iOS native app URL listener doesn’t work. It’s absolutely shocking that such a core flow is completely broken by default when you’re coming from Google search results.

This app fixes this problem!

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by JoshTriplett on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:30PM (#28679004)
I would happily pay for an Open Source adblocker-style extension that intentionally breaks "do you want to download and install our app instead of using a perfectly reasonable web browser that you're in control of" pop-ups. If I don't already have the app installed, there's a reason for that.

(In general, an adblocker is one of the most valuable things I have installed. I wish EasyList had a subscription option; I'd happily pay to help support its maintenance.)

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by buro9 on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @04:51AM (#28680608)
> If I don't already have the app installed, there's a reason for that.

For about 5 years now I've been actively going back to web pages for things.

Example: I no longer have the BBC News app installed. Instead I have a bookmark on my mobile home screen that goes to the BBC News web page.

What I've found is:

1. Most apps didn't need to be apps, there's nothing that they need access to that their web equivalent cannot already do.

2. The web pages are easier to control... i.e. Firefox on Android and ad-blocking is a joy.

3. Most of the web pages get richer experiences sooner than an app (if it ever gets an update), i.e. minisites on news sites around elections.

4. The web experiences are considerably faster on poorer networks.

5. The DNS logs show a massive reduction in tracking frameworks... even though the web is bloated, apps appear to also be bloated, but the web you can more easily control.

6. Better battery life across the board, probably due to nothing running in the background and no notifications being processed - also improved mental health as the device is now on my terms, pulling content when I want rather than being pushed it when an app wants to.

It's overall a far better experience.

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by the_gipsy on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @06:43AM (#28681230)
> The web pages are easier to control... i.e. Firefox on Android and ad-blocking is a joy.

Sadly, adblocking and web in general is restricted in apple devices.

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by buro9 on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @06:47AM (#28681257)
True.

On my iOS devices I used the NextDNS app to provide DNS blocking via a VPN layer.

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by IgorPartola on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:57PM (#28679164)
I block ads at the DNS level. Aside from 2-3 legitimate websites that broke as a result of this (because they use some Salesforce thing as a part of their site or similar), almost every unsubscribe link I get is now broken. I really wish there was some plug-in that would unroll those links to their final form since that’s usually fine but passes through 2-3 bukkshit redirects before it gets there.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by ro_bit on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:43AM (#28679432)
I use http://wheregoes.com to manually follow any unsubscribe links that my hostfile blocks.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by achairapart on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @05:17AM (#28680753)
Thanks! A web extension based on this would be even better.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by drcongo on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @04:37AM (#28680542)
That's incredibly useful, thanks.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by lobocinza on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:29AM (#28679363)
I just send this kind of stuff to spam because I never subscribe to any mail newsletter.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by irl_chad on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @03:12AM (#28680127)
Same. Do automatically opt-in newsletters really turn a profit?

I would think that for something like a newsletter, explicitly opting in would end up being more profitable, since if you’re sending an email with eg sendgrid it’s not free.

Can someone shed some light on the economics of newsletter spam?

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by hakre on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @09:07AM (#28682301)
Only in part: The marketing department needs numbers to report, newsletter subscription is one. So it pays at least one job.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by rosstex on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:34PM (#28679024)
Not always the case. Sometimes I'm looking for something and come across a link to a reddit thread. I'd like to jump to the app easily. What I don't like, however, is how hard websites try to block you from accessing their website without opening the app first.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by wayouteast on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:42PM (#28679076)
Reddit hard blocks you on some subreddits from the default mobile page. You have to go to the app or go to <subdomain>.reddit.com to bypass the block.

Super super super super stupid. Like why block /r/popular from the web and force it to use the app?

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by JoshTriplett on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:36PM (#28679037)
That's what I mean. If I have the app installed, I probably want to use it. If I don't have the app installed, I don't want the site trying to push me to install it; I just want the content in my browser tab.

And Reddit is indeed one of the worst offenders here.

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by tshaddox on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:49PM (#28679125)
Fair enough. I wish you had that option as well. But when I already have and use the apps, it’s pretty awful for Google to break links that certainly should open in those apps.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by _jal on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:36PM (#28679036)
I just don't look at Reddit on mobile.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by q-rews on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:58PM (#28679168)
Apollo is the answer. Reddit’s properties are a dumpster fire. Heck even the desktop version regularly starts playing some random video I scrolled past a minute ago… good luck finding it. Absolutely embarrassing “bugs” everywhere on Reddit, even before getting to the dark patterns.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by ra7 on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:52AM (#28679484)
Apollo is also built by the same developer as this extension. Best Reddit client IMO.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by tcoff91 on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:11AM (#28679247)
I wish apollo had the option of turning off infinite scroll.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by JoshTriplett on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:17AM (#28679285)
That's the main problem I have with "new reddit", as well: new reddit has infinite scroll, so I use old reddit, but old reddit doesn't have dark mode.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by jraph on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @03:05AM (#28680090)
I can suggest https://libredd.it/ on desktop (probably works well on mobile too) and Slide [1] on Android.

[1] https://f-droid.org/en/packages/me.ccrama.redditslide/

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by ubercow13 on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @03:57AM (#28680336)
Slide is great on iOS too.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by signal11 on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @09:26AM (#28682486)
> an Open Source adblocker-style extension that intentionally breaks "do you want to download and install our app..."

While not an extension, the DuckDuckGo browser app on iOS has exactly this feature. Maybe Firefox should consider building it in too!

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by pojntfx on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @04:15AM (#28680423)
Sound more like a feature, not like an issue.

The internet must be more than two proprietary app stores.

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by dheera on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @04:46AM (#28680591)
Is AMP really that bad? It seems to circumvent a lot of paywalls for me and seems to just be a subset of HTML, roughly.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by tshaddox on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:00PM (#28684323)
I don’t think Amp is that bad. The issue I described where it breaks iOS native app URL listeners is the only reason I am happy to purchase this extension.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by asutekku on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @07:35AM (#28681574)
90% of the time I still end up going to the main site instead of reading the AMP article because of the lack of something in the AMP version.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by KindOne on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:20PM (#28678935)
The author of this app made a post on Reddit a few days ago.

https://old.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/pvvi83/googles_amp_p...

The program is opensource.

https://github.com/christianselig/Amplosion

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by Eric_WVGG on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:25PM (#28678977)
Haha. Not only did this individual hate AMP enough to make this extension, so did Joseph Duffy https://twitter.com/joe_duffy/status/1409146065912225794?s=2..., and so did I https://twitter.com/eric_wvgg/status/1440688602321621000?s=2...
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by 3np on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @11:25PM (#28702859)
Questionable if it was ever really open source, more like "source available". The author has nor removed the source from the repo.

Most recent public fork I found is now mirrored here: https://github.com/3nprob/Amplosion

> Safari extensions require your permission to run, so in the interest of transparency I wanted to make the app completely open source.

[...]

> License: This is open source in the interest of transparency, and I hope this doesn't need to be said but please don't take this as an opportunity to reupload the code and call it your own. This is the equivalent to the GitHub "No License", so you're more than welcome to inspect the code and audit it, but you do not have permission to repurpose it as your own.

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by NmAmDa on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @02:21AM (#28679856)
It's source available but not open source. The license part in the repo README explains that.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by pnt12 on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @08:54AM (#28682174)
The author claims its open source but then explicitly omits a license to the repo, so they are misusing the term.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by kobayashi on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:48PM (#28684835)
They are not. It’s open sourced, not FOSS
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by tambourine_man on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:29PM (#28678998)
I’d pay a good deal of money to have early 2010 style Google back.

Mainly:

- No AMP

- If I quote a string, you better be goddamn sure it’s present on the pages that you show me.

- One ad per query. These days the organic results are after the page fold. This is unacceptable for something that’s supposed to be a search engine.

—-

The second one gets little attention but it’s infuriating to me. I mean, I’m explicitly telling the engine what I want. If it’s not including it in the results, I might as well not even be here typing. Just show me whatever it thinks I want based on everything it knows about me. And no, unfortunately verbatim doesn’t always help.

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by chongli on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:41PM (#28679065)
The second one gets little attention but it’s infuriating to me. I mean, I’m explicitly telling the engine what I want. If it’s not including it in the results, I might as well not even be here typing.

This is symptomatic of the fact that the users are not Google's customers. Google search is intended to direct you to the pages which are most profitable to the company. If you happen to find what you're looking for, so be it. If you don't find what you're looking for (because it's obscure and unprofitable) and instead get distracted by something Google would prefer you to see (because it's profitable) then all the better.

The fact that you're a power user puts you in the minority of (likely unprofitable) users anyway, so Google doesn't mind inconveniencing you. They seem to have a pretty fierce anti-power-user culture, as evidenced by all of the (power user/ hacker popular) products and features they've killed over the years.

We've got a lot of work to do if we're ever going to bring back the web we all remember from the old days.

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by moralestapia on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:24AM (#28679327)
>If I quote a string, you better be goddamn sure it’s present on the pages that you show me.

I'd pay significant money for this (20-30 USD/month), plus very few search operators that actually make sense (i.e. and, or, not).

But yeah, we got AI instead ... (pure crap IMO)

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by tambourine_man on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:51AM (#28679480)
I’ve been craving for a “grep for the web” for decades.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by easton on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:46PM (#28679105)
I had a funny one today where I had some weird arguments for a CLI thing I was googling, so I put them in quotes, and Google continued to return results with the "not containing: foo bar | show only results with 'foo bar'" thing under them. Clicking the link just put more quotes into the search string, until my search bar looked like: wixl ''''''foo bar''''''.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by chairmanwow1 on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:33AM (#28679383)
Check out https://neeva.com/

Paid search engine that I switched to last month. Best feature is no ads. You can hook up your private data silos (Notion, Slack, Google, Dropbox etc) and all results appear directly in regular search.

I don’t ever see myself going back to whatever the fuck Google has morphed into over the years.

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by jazoom on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @01:43AM (#28679707)
I'm interested but most search engines give terrible results for Australian searches (increasingly true for Google too, which used to be good at it). How does this one go at not being America-centric?

Update: I'll answer my own question. They didn't even let me sign up.

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by fnord77 on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:51PM (#28679136)
I remember when you could put a '+' in front of a keyword and it would be in the results ("+keyword").

Then google+ hijacked that and never gave it back.

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by Causality1 on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:18AM (#28679288)
How about image results that are actually images? Now all you get is videos unless you type half a novel's worth of site remover arguments.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by gregman on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:39PM (#28679058)
I think you are describing DDG.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by berkut on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:46PM (#28679107)
In my experience, DDG is just as bad as Google at producing results that don't match quotes exactly, and almost effectively just adding random results...

It's like they both just want to add something to the results, instead of saying "can't find anything else".

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by void_mint on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:44PM (#28679090)
DDG, but actually returning search results.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by fouc on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:24AM (#28679328)
I made DDG my default, and it's great for 95% of my usage. For specific things where I know there should be better results, then I add a !g or !gi to the search query, which redirects to google or google images.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by amatecha on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:26AM (#28679337)
Yeah, I have done the same. DDG is pretty decent! ... and, I totally did not know about the !g/!gi, thanks for that!!
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by Semaphor on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:30AM (#28679365)
Check out bangs: https://duckduckgo.com/bang

You usually don’t even need to remember them, for most somewhat popular sites you can just guess the bang, and it searches there.

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by amatecha on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @04:13PM (#28686955)
Ah nice, thanks! I feel like I've seen that page before and just totally forgot about it. haha :)
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by anyfactor on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:26AM (#28679343)
This. Everyone talks up DDG but it is literally one of the crappiest search engine out there. You never get what you want immediately. I think Bing and Searx are better options compared to DDG.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by gumby on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:36AM (#28679396)
I thought DDG was bing, just with some privacy
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by kroltan on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @08:38AM (#28682050)
Every time I search for something on DDG and there are no/few results, if I do the same query on Google I only get the insane spam/"hacked small business" websites with random SEO that redirect to arbitrary ads.

And of course Google's own promoted results which are usually only vaguely related to the topic (for example if I search something programming-related, I'll get ads for Udemy or whatnot, but not even a specific course)

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by Semaphor on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:28AM (#28679350)
I’ve been using DDG for a few years now. They are even worse than google at honoring phrase search. In addition, google sometimes even tells you that they ignored some terms. DDG is just silently searching for some crap you never wanted to search for "to help you". It’s by far my #1 annoyance of DDG.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by labster on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:46AM (#28679448)
DuckDuckGo essentially ignores negated terms. Try searching for `49ers -football` and you get a front page full of football links and nothing about the gold rush.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by q-rews on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:55PM (#28679154)
I happen to use both bing and DDG occasionally and the results are plain bad so I end up using Google anyway.

I should try the opposite though: when Google SERP is useless, try others.

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by Firehawke on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:20AM (#28679300)
This has been my experience as well. Google, Bing, DDG, they all fail to work well in some major form or another. Google and Bing don't let you do explicit search demands with quotes; all the power tricks for search are gone and I routinely find myself frustrated with trying to find some things-- especially if they fall into the gaps where Google insists on excluding a term.

I would gladly switch to a search engine that just got it all right in the way that Google pre-2010 did.

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by savanaly on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:38PM (#28679050)
By verbatim I assume you mean quoting a string. Example query using that that you consider unsatisfactory?
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by matttb on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:44PM (#28679085)
After you do a search there's a 'tools' button. Clicking it gives you a dropdown with the option to change from 'all results' to 'verbatim'. There's also the 'Advanced Search' https://www.google.com/advanced_search where even if you enter a word in quotes in the 'this exact word or phrase' box you still get results without your query.

I don't have an example query, but it happens all the time. I put a query in quotes and google gives results that neither have the quote in the page blurb on google nor on the destination page.

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by gumby on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:37AM (#28679402)
Having to click around to get a normal search is clearly an anti pattern. Forcing someone to reach for thé mouse rather than simply typing is an insult.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by joshuaissac on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @09:03AM (#28682257)
The default search engine can be changed in the browser so that it always invokes Google Search in Verbatim mode. However, there is a side effect that Wikipedia is replaced with strange mirrors in the search results. And some of the desirable fuzzy searching is also lost.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by Semaphor on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:26AM (#28679334)
Is the quote string to enforce it still usable anywhere? DDG was always even worse than google at this, and I miss being able to search for phrases.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by cannabis_sam on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @08:51AM (#28682143)
This all got sacrificed when the mbas and bean counters took charge of GOOG..
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by colordrops on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:10AM (#28679243)
Also not applying a political, moral, business-driven, or any other bias in returning results that they want me to see rather than what I want to see. It used to nearly perfectly match my intentions with the request until they got too big and caved to the establishment and money.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by systemvoltage on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:14AM (#28679265)
A couple of things.

1) People in charge of these features know objectively how pissed off some of their users are. It's done for one simple reason - it brings more advertisement revenue. Google employs some of the smartest people on the planet and they have the demonstrable capacity to build what savvy users like yourself (and me) like.

2) Vast majority of the people are ambivalent and apathetic to these things. The scale at which Google operates is absolutely mind bogglingly massive. Savvy users are the extreme edgecase.

I just don't see any reason to expect a mass-market product or service to serve savvy users. There is a fundamental mismatch in expectation and requirements.

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by throwaway13337 on Monday September 27, 2021 @10:57PM (#28678809)
I quite like these safari extensions. They almost make up for the forced safari monopoly on iOS (but not really).

I use dark reader on chrome for computers. They also have a safari extension that surprisingly works just as well.

https://github.com/darkreader/darkreader

https://darkreader.org/safari/

I'm concerned, though, whether these extensions work the same as chrome extensions.

Can they view and potentially upload your browser passwords/bank info/etc?

Is there some limitation that prevents this in the implementation?

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by Waterluvian on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:03PM (#28678846)
Firefox had amazing support for mobile plugins. I haven’t checked in a while though.

I assume Apple doesn’t permit this so you’re kinda limited with an iDevice. (he says from his iPhone)

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by zaik on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:14PM (#28678900)
uBlock Origin for Firefox Mobile (Fennec on F-Droid) is a killer feature. I cannot remember the last time I have seen an ad on my phone.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by Waterluvian on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:20PM (#28678938)
AdGuard (I think?) gets about 80% of them on Safari. But I agree uBlock Origin is amazing. It’s kind of Firefox’s killer feature.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by mastazi on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:15PM (#28678908)
Firefox still supports mobile plugins but, a while ago (IIRC last year), the plugin API changed, as a result currently the selection of available plugins is much smaller than it used to be. I should add that I haven't checked in a few months, maybe it's improved now.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by m-p-3 on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:22PM (#28678956)
Broad addons support is still locked behind the Nightly version, and you gotta do this weird dance to achieve it

https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2020/09/29/expanded-extensio...

Still the same a year later..

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by dralley on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:42PM (#28679075)
They didn't change the plugin API, they did a massive rewrite of the mobile browser engine infrastructure that broke most of the plugin APIs, and probably the test suites as well. So they are disabled until they can be fixed and proven to work.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by gumby on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:39AM (#28679411)
In the case of safari you could use the built-in reader mode. I have it enabled by default.

Google of course will never include such a thing

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by RKearney on Monday September 27, 2021 @10:56PM (#28678798)
You can accomplish this for free by simply switching your search engine to DuckDuckGo instead of Google.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by mastazi on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:12PM (#28678885)
AMP is also used in other places e.g. any external links in Twitter when visited on mobile (IIRC)
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by _tom_ on Monday September 27, 2021 @10:58PM (#28678813)
Google is way better at some classes of searches, still.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by nofinator on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:13PM (#28678893)
Agreed. But in those cases where I don't like DDG results, I like how I can add "!g" to the end of my search and it redirects the search to Google.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by slvng on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @04:04AM (#28680369)
Doing this on mobile is really not fun, I wish it was a simple click in their results UI
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by nickflood on Saturday October 02, 2021 @04:35AM (#28727055)
You can do "g!" instead of "!g" on mobile. (And even hn! works, but not every other one.) This helped me considerably
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by michaellee8 on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:08PM (#28678870)
For example duckduckgo produce nothing useful when you search Chinese keywords. DDG maybe good at doing English searches but Google obviously have much more resources.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by schleck8 on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:36AM (#28679400)
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by yepthatsreality on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:10PM (#28678881)
I was wondering when you’d get here!
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by nabaraz on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:20PM (#28678939)
I use Google because i) it displays stock price right on the search page. ii) it does match right on the search page.

If DuckDuckGo did smarter results like this, I'd quit Google. Heck I'd even throw in a few bucks.

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by JoshTriplett on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:34PM (#28679029)
> I use Google because i) it displays stock price right on the search page.

So does DuckDuckGo; here's a screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/6nCNGZk

> ii) it does match right on the search page.

What do you mean by "match" here?

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by nabaraz on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @08:21PM (#28688980)
Google displays a chart with 1d-1m-ytd etc tabs as well.

> match

meant to say math.

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by rscoots on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:28PM (#28678987)
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by kyleee on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:51PM (#28679137)
Startpage is no good; sold out to an ad company
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by wayneftw on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:52PM (#28679140)
If you still want to use Google, you can request the desktop site too. No amp links.

I don't know how much longer that will continue to work though. Many sites ignore it and show the mobile version anyway.

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by NoblePublius on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:42PM (#28679077)
I have a new laptop on which I set DDG as default and have been tracking myself resorting to Google 50% of the time due to poor results.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by jiggawatts on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:54PM (#28679150)
#1 article on the YC News front page.

#1 most popular "tools" app in the App Store.

Google: Take the hint, please.

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by franze on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @08:02AM (#28681785)
no, they don't care, this is how the ampthtml-team reacts to criticism https://twitter.com/enzenhofer/status/1442821842050428933 #blocked
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by halotrope on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:06AM (#28679220)
Thank you! If there is one thing where Google went to far its that abomination of bad UX and power abuse called AMP. I was fearing I will never get rid of it on iPhone. Would probably also have paid US$10
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by dqpb on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:15AM (#28679268)
So, this happens almost daily: I’ll be reading news in an amp page hosted by Google, which I navigated to via Google news, within Google chrome, and half way through the article the page suddenly breaks and I see “Aw, Snap! Something when wrong while displaying this web page”.

There was a time in my life when I believed working for Google was the highest indication of talent. Now, I marvel at how a $1.6 trillion dollar company can’t even serve a page of text and images without fucking it up.

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by neil_s on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:19PM (#28678932)
Genuine question: what is the advantage to the end user by seeing non-AMP versions of webpages?
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by mathgorges on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:20AM (#28679306)
Just bought it. I think of it as a $3 automated boycott.

I don’t like amp for various reasons (not the purpose of this reply) and I expect Google can calculate an AMP bounce rate — they tend to serve ads on the page anyway.

This app allows me to communicate with Google in a language they value: data.

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by InvaderFizz on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:14PM (#28678903)
Well that was the fastest app purchase I ever made. Never been so happy to fork over $3.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by vincentmarle on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:42PM (#28679073)
I finally upgraded to iOS 15 today just to be able to download this app. That's how much I hate AMP.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by bjornstar on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:47PM (#28679115)
There's already the Redirect AMP to HTML extension, I use it for both Firefox & Chrome

- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/amp2html/ - https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/redirect-amp-to-ht...

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by q-rews on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:00AM (#28679182)
The point here is that this can be used on iPhone, so there was not already something there.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by julianlam on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:33AM (#28679386)
... and in typical Apple fashion, it costs money to get it.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by theshrike79 on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @02:36AM (#28679919)
Yes, damn developers wanting money for their work!
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by julianlam on Thursday September 30, 2021 @10:52AM (#28707015)
No, it's not about that, and shame on you for thinking so.

It's the plain fact that if this were a problem on Windows or linux, a free script would be available, but because it's Apple, it's a paid plugin or add-on, as it is with everything you need to customise an apple device.

It's a matter of developer culture, where you develop things for a fun, and to solve a problem. Not to make a quick buck.

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by xvilka on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:30PM (#28679005)
What's so bad about AMP? If anything, it makes many news sites more "readable", less junk and distraction. Walled garden? Yes, but so is Apple ecosystem, which is this extension for.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by tambourine_man on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:48PM (#28679118)
It stupidly and needlessly reinvents scrolling. By doing so, it completely breaks lots of standard and core browser behaviors, such as:

- can’t tap menu bar to scroll back to the very top of the page

- can’t find anything on the page because it breaks built in search (unless you’re lucky enough to have the string visible on the viewfinder )

- old man argument, I’ll admit, but I want the site I’m visiting to be the domain I’m seeing in the address bar. This is the Web, not some Google sub domain.

- scrolling is janky on older iPhones.

Oh, and messes your cookies so you’re never logged in. You need an extra tap to redirect you to the site you actually pay for. And probably a whole lot more I’m not remembering.

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by valine on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:46PM (#28679104)
It’s glitchy, takes up screen real estate, it’s hyper sensitive to horizontal swipes and will sometimes load an unrelated pages, and instantly forgets your cookies and logins (absolutely awful for sites like Reddit where I want to stay logged in).

That’s my list anyway.

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by thatswrong0 on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:41PM (#28679068)
Google should let me fucking disable it without having to rely on a safari extension, because it makes many websites less usable / more broken in many ways. My mobile speeds are fast enough.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by wyager on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:32PM (#28679011)
Don’t hijack my URLs without my permission. Full stop.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by DantesKite on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:04AM (#28679207)
For me, it's just frustrating and breaks some functionality on web pages.

I wouldn't mind if it made things better or at least, not worse.

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by q-rews on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:01AM (#28679191)
I hate it as much as everyone else, but last time I stripped AMP I got a useless paywalled adridden website so I ended up just sharing the AMP URL
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by jeffrogers on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:21PM (#28678952)
Man, I just want a t-shirt with the app icon artwork on it...
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by smnrchrds on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:31PM (#28679007)
It took me a second to realize it is not supposed to be an exploding Winamp logo.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by arcticbull on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:12PM (#28678888)
$3 is an absolute steal. Shut up and take my money!
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by rastafang on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:37PM (#28679043)
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by forrestthewoods on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:05PM (#28678854)
Is there a sweet extension that completely blocks all pop-ups for a given domain? Certain webpages hide all kinds of ads and when you click UI buttons it triggers an ad-click. I would like to straight block all of them.

Does such a thing exist?

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by tones411 on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:12AM (#28679255)
Have you tried any ad blocker extensions to see if they already handle that?
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by pjdorrell on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @01:49AM (#28679739)
The name reminds me of "DCOMbobulator", another software whose purpose was to turn off something that caused endless trouble and which you never asked for in the first place.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by oceliker on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:31AM (#28679369)
The name of the developer sounded familiar, so I looked him up — turns out he’s the developer of Apollo, likely the best reddit iOS client.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by Daneel_ on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:20AM (#28679303)
I wonder if Amplosion affects other browsers on iOS too, or does it purely work with Safari? Eg, Chrome or Opera Touch
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by unobatbayar on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:12AM (#28679253)
The developer who made the app is brilliant. Seems like any App he builds becomes a success. Not sure how he does it.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by evanb on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @05:42AM (#28680896)
I'd pay for an app that could do the same for Apple News links.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by tediousdemise on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:22AM (#28679316)
Thank you for doing this!
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by SSLy on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @05:18AM (#28680759)
>Respectfully, I think this fits the colloquial definition of open source that your average person (myself included) views as open source and would recognize, and I'm more than happy with that.

Fuck your "colloquial definition"

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by hyproxia on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @05:42AM (#28680894)
I agree with you, but he's right in a way: The original purpose of "open source" was to dilute the free software movement, so even though the OSI doesn't recognize such licenses as "open source", it's no surprise why the "average person[/developer]" sees it that way.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by asplake on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @02:01AM (#28679771)
Seriously considering purchasing (I hate AMP with a passion), but what’s the nonsense in the reviews about dogs and games and stuff? I don’t need that kind of distraction.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by ghostly_s on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:46PM (#28679111)
Assuming this is a web extension, you'll only be living amp-free in safari. (pretty sure iOS doesnt allow hijacking another domain's universal links?)
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by q-rews on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:02AM (#28679199)
Correct. Some extensions still offer tools via the share dropdown though. This extension could add a “Open without AMP” option in there.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by schleck8 on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:40AM (#28679420)
You could just use https://www.amputatorbot.com in this case. The extension's selling point is convenience
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by tones411 on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:03AM (#28679205)
Take my money
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by rdtwo on Monday September 27, 2021 @10:38PM (#28678692)
Almost worth it
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by covercash on Monday September 27, 2021 @10:55PM (#28678789)
It was on sale for $1.99 yesterday.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by dhsysusbsjsi on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:08PM (#28678862)
$4.49 in Australia
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by CyberDildonics on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:02PM (#28678837)
This is an advertisement
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by _tom_ on Monday September 27, 2021 @10:57PM (#28678804)
If I trusted an app that I expect has to look at every url I ever visit, $3 is a no-brained.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by KindOne on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:18PM (#28678925)
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by simonklitj on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:09PM (#28678874)
It’s open source. You can even build it yourself it you want to
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by teddyh on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @04:48AM (#28680600)
It’s not open source, it lacks a license entirely. And, therefore, nobody is allowed to build it themselves.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by simonklitj on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @11:56PM (#28703007)
You can sure build it, if you want to. And the source is open, so you can check it out.

But sure, I’ll cave. What would be a better term for this?

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by teddyh on Thursday September 30, 2021 @11:22AM (#28707406)
> You can sure build it, if you want to.

I am physically able, yes, but I am not legally allowed to. Since I am not given any permission (i.e. license) to do that.

> And the source is open, so you can check it out.

The term “open source” is used in two ways: the intelligence community reportedly uses it to refer to information sources which are publicly available, as opposed to secretly gathered information. The other use of the term “open source” is as defined by the OSI, who pioneered this new use.

The usual term for source code which is merely available for reading, and not much, if anything, else, is “source-available”¹.

1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source-available_software

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by simonklitj on Friday October 01, 2021 @06:13PM (#28723962)
> I am physically able, yes

We agree, then :) If they’re anxious regarding the privacy implications of using this extension, they can build it themselves.

> The term …

Alright, I agree, that was a misuse of the definition on my part, and I should have said “Source-available”. I was unaware of this definition, so thanks!

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by saagarjha on Thursday September 30, 2021 @05:16AM (#28704460)
Source available?
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by simonklitj on Friday October 01, 2021 @06:14PM (#28723967)
Nice, thanks! Didn’t know that one.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by JazzXP on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:16PM (#28678911)
I'm pretty sure it doesn't work that way, Apple let you register URLs to redirect to your app, so I'm assuming they've just done this for AMP URLs and strip it back to a proper link and then open that using the system browser (whichever you have set).
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by ComputerGuru on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:12AM (#28679256)
No, this is the new Safari extensions API in iOS 15.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by kdunglas on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @01:58AM (#28679762)
While it looks great, this app isn’t open-source.

Open-source means that the source code can be freely modified and redistributed. This is explicitly forbidden by the license of Amplosion. The proper term for this kind of licence is “source-available”. The description and the website are misleading and should be updated.

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by NmAmDa on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @02:31AM (#28679894)
While the extension source is available. The developer deliberately make it non licensed which means it he retains all copyrights and it is not an open source by any useful mean. And he ia quite aggressive about that.

https://github.com/christianselig/Amplosion/issues/1

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by Arnavion on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @02:38AM (#28679927)
I find it weird that both you and TechnologyClassroom in that GitHub issue thread brought up copyright. Even if the developer had used an open source license, they would still have retained copyright. You can complain about the license just fine, but copyright is not relevant to that discussion.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by NmAmDa on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @02:47AM (#28679978)
The developer in the r/apple subreddit said that it is an open source and a couple of comments here made that claim also. So I was just clarifying. It is more about

And to be clear about that. That's from github docs

"You're under no obligation to choose a license. However, without a license, the default copyright laws apply, meaning that you retain all rights to your source code and no one may reproduce, distribute, or create derivative works from your work. If you're creating an open source project, we strongly encourage you to include an open source license" [1]

And in the developer last comment in the issue he closed he quoted that also to explain that it is not allowed to do anything except seeing code for transparency purpose.

[1] https://docs.github.com/en/repositories/managing-your-reposi...

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by sandworm101 on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:23PM (#28678963)
This reminds me of Jeremy Clarkson's speeches about race version of street cars: Paying more for less car. Ten thousand dollars more for the same car but without air conditioning. A few thousand more for one without rear seats. Eventually we will we be paying an infinite amount of money for a car that doesn't exist.

Three dollars to disable this OS feature. Another three to not use passwords. A few more for bypassing another feature tomorrow. One day we will be paying for an OS that doesn't actually do anything. But isn't that exactly what happens every time I buy a laptop? I am paying for an OS that I am going to bypass/dump/replace the moment I open the box!

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by koolba on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:27PM (#28678984)
It’s not an OS features. AMP links are a Google product that are incredibly annoying. The OS feature being leveraged here is adding a URL scheme handler that routes those annoying AMP links to their actual destination.
Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by aikinai on Monday September 27, 2021 @11:28PM (#28678989)
The OS (iOS) and the service you’re paying to modify (Google) are very different, so this analogy doesn’t make any sense.

If Apple charged you to not use ScreenTime or something, sure, but that’s not the case.

Re:‎Amplosion: Redirect AMP Links on the App Store by cunthorpe on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @02:49AM (#28679989)
What he said doesn’t make sense anyway. More is less.

Plenty of people pay extra to have a slimmed down version of something, ask Apple users.