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> Except it doesn't.

Ummm, yes it does.

> Those libraries are being used in Chromium, and thus need to be maintained for use in Chromium.

And they certainly are... by the originators. The Chromium team maintains a few patches here and there, which is why they're in the repo to begin with friend.

> It...did?

No, I said it didn't. All of the things you listed are not originated by the Chromium team. Also, Google can't just take them away so anyone who wants to use them can. Nobody has to re-invent the entire wheel here.

> Now we're speculating.

We're using logic. Did you see the new Brave search engine? You think they can't build a store to host extensions? That's rich.

I guess one man's overly dramatic is another man's laughter at the absurd. Or, perhaps you missed the "laughing so hard I'm crying" emoji?

Anyway - this is exactly what Apple wanted. They knew it would make people talk. They also knew that some faction of Apple worshipers would come along to downplay any and all issues with it.

Apple can do what they want and the zealots can think what they want, but we can enjoy laughing at them when they fall flat on their face too right?

It's pretty simple - we've been using rectangular screens since forever. With rectangular screens there are no compromises within our software and there are no compromises in our field of vision.

Obviously, the notch stands out. It juts into the rectangle, making it no longer a rectangle. The OS now must make all sorts of compromises and implement extra functionality and options (like compatibility mode). And they aren't working perfectly [0] (LOL - And for what? A thinner fucking bezel? There's plenty of bezel beneath the dock - they should have shifted everything down.) The users must make compromises as the size of usable screen area actually changes depending on what mode the application is in. With the notch, if you use any apps that have a long list of menus your eyeballs must now be trained to skip over the notch as you scan the list of top menu items. The whole thing is a byzantine nightmare.

Most people get this immediately and they don't like it. In all the comments on all the articles and forums that I've read - the vast majority of people don't like the notch on this Macbook and they don't like it on the iPhone either. However, they do put up with it and learn to ignore it given that they have no choice if they want to stay in the Apple ecosystem that they're probably locked into anyway.

Lucky for me - I'm somewhat of a minimalist on my smartphone. I can still buy a new iPhone without the notch (AND with a home button which is way better for quickly switching apps) because I don't need the greatest camera. For my computers, I'm not locked into any one platform but a Mac would certainly be my last choice because of this kind of garbage.

[0] "Apple’s new MacBook Pro notch is misbehaving. Early adopters have discovered inconsistencies in how Apple handles the notch across macOS and in individual apps, resulting in unexpected behavior where status bar items can get hidden under the notch." - https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/27/22748371/apple-macbook-p...

Clearly "what's bad for you" is subjective given that there was a time when many would have said that masturbation causes self-harm.

The other issue is that sin taxes just don't work. They don't stop people from partaking at all. These taxes are just a money grab.

People are complaining because screens have been fucking rectangular since forever! And this change forces klunky software compromises for no good reason.

If they made a triangle of extra screen area jut out on the right, you'd get extra screen space too. I bet people would still defend it not because "it's extra screen" but in reality because it came from Apple.

The fact that people are so willfully ignorant of that is amazing to me. The Apple-think bubble is stronger than I thought.

> ...unlike some other companies...

Which ones?

> ...any machines which come close to the M1 for software dev?

If you can stand using macOS, that is.

Personally, I'll continue using Linux because that's where all my software gets deployed to and macOS simply can't approach the value of that or the value of open source. On a Mac, you'll be fighting the OS the whole time.

If speed was all that mattered, Mac users would have left Apple a long time ago because this is the first time they're faster than a PC.

It limits how many menus your apps can have or makes them draw around it. If you enable compatibility mode you'll be back to an even fatter bezel which looks like dog shit.

Rationalize that away.

It's just a laptop in the same old rectangular shape, in the same old colors that is actually just catching up and there's nothing at all special about this one… Try to catch some breath.

Nobody anywhere likes the notch either. Triumph? No.

> Chromium is more like ~35 million lines of code.

Incorrect. It's ~5 million [0]

> And Brave is implementing Manifest V3.

Incomplete. Brave already announced that they're leaving the webRequest API intact. [1]

> You better hope Google doesn't block submissions...

Have ya heard of a thing called installing software? You can easily install extensions without clinging to a walled garden. Brave makes this easier than Chrome.

Nothing said here has proved that Google has complete control over anything. Anyway enjoy using Firefox I guess? And you'd better hope that other web devs start to test with Firefox because most of them, including me, won't bother for the piddly amount of market share they still have.

[0] https://www.quora.com/How-many-lines-of-code-is-Google-Chrom...

[1] https://www.zdnet.com/article/opera-brave-vivaldi-to-ignore-...

Of course. But the fact that I was pointing out was that the Windows percentage is actually quite small in the grand scheme of things.

Oh, gee well I thought we were on a developer/techie forum.

McDonald's is also one of the most popular restaurants. I eat there once in a while. I still run Windows boxes to play games too.

And it's more like ~30% for Windows when you measure against all operating systems, not just the desktop ones. [0] Android is the top dog since at least October 2020 when it went to over ~40%.

[0] https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share

Yet another one of these comments.

When XP came out, people were switching to Linux.

When Vista came out, people were switching to Linux.

When 8.x came out, people were switching to Linux.

When 10 came out, people were switching to Linux.

Now Windows 11 came out, naturally people are still switching to Linux.

Guess what? People are going to continue switching platforms and talking about it.

Oh and 25% of developers are generally running Linux, 25-30% are on a Mac and about 40-45% are on Windows...and Windows usage is trending downwards year after year. [0]

[0] https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2021#section-most-...

Why would I want to optimize for working on planes, trains and in meetings? That's not a good work environment.

I run desktop computers and since I don't need to play video games on them, I just use the CPU graphics.

However, even when I did use a discrete GPU - every Linux distro I've used just prompts me to install the drivers and things just work.

It's easy to over simplify things to the point of absurdity.

This is like saying that when you read "because science tells us" that you translate it to "because I believe anything that scientists say" as that is what is effectively happening.

Same with the Linux kernel and it's got a larger codebase than Chromium.

Market power makes it an antitrust situation and since you can't run a profitable app business without going through Apple, that certainly makes this a hostage scenario.

We haven't seen the last antitrust case against them. I'm certainly looking forward to them getting knocked down a few pegs. Only a stool pigeon would defend their behavior.

Sounds like I have to go through Apple to get to anyone with some money to spend.

So much freedom! I get to market my stuff to poor people and picky, principled tech users.

> It’s a tool, not a fashion statement.

Pffft, as if Apple didn't market every. single. one. of their products as a fashion statement.

Apple clearly has always chosen form over function and being different over function. That's the only reason why the ridiculously useless Dock exists at all - marketing loved it since it embodies both of those traits.

It's a plain analogy, any drama would be created by the reader's reaction.

People also stop complaining simply because they've complained enough. It's definitely not always the case that they "get over it". People that need a Mac will certainly rationalize since they have no choice.

But given a choice, people would absolutely not buy a laptop with a turd like this notch front and center.

As usual though - Apple gives you no choice.

Well, it's kinda like if someone made a really nice meal for you but left a booger on the top of the plate.

You'd complain about that booger, right?

...as if the notch is the only deciding factor.

I hate the notch, but I'll still buy iPhones all day long if my only other choice is to buy products with questionable privacy from an advertising company versus dealing with Apple's shitty designs.

And if Apple doesn't provide that app, it will break after every update.

There are literally still so many comments just like that and plenty of people who simply won't buy a phone that has a notch. The comments never stopped.

The screenshots showing application menus almost hitting the notch are ugly af. I'm sure that there are applications that have even more menus than Photoshop or Premiere.

Sounds like the TERFs have a very reasonable position that doesn't involve the rest of society changing the definitions of words based on extremely questionable socially and politically motivated soft sciences.

They will take your money and if you keep giving it to them they will continue taking more and more of your freedom too.

> "Solemn declaration" isn't exactly what you want to read in a paper that's free of bias.

You got that exactly wrong. No bias is being displayed by that quote because they're simply describing IOC criteria.

The full quote is:

"Accordingly, the IOC determined criteria by which transgender women may be eligible to compete in the female category. These include a solemn declaration that her gender identity is female and the maintenance of total serum testosterone levels below 10 nmol/L for at least 12 months prior to competing and during competition."

Sorry, I didn't continue reading the rest of your comment.

From the study:

"The metrics were compiled from publicly available sports federation databases and/or tournament/competition records."

"Although not an exhaustive list, examples of performance gaps in a range of sports with various durations, physiological performance determinants, skill components and force requirements are shown..." [0]

To clarify why I'm quoting these - I don't think they're trying to spin it one way or the other. Reading the report one can see that they say things like "which creates advantages in sports where levers influence force application, where longer limb/digit length is favorable", i.e. not all sports.

So, they're coming to the same conclusion. Either way - some small percentage of people are always going to be upset if they can't just do whatever they want.

[0] https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40279-020-01389-3

In the US their unit share is now greater than 50%.

It's too bad that they're taking all of our money and not exporting much.

And for a country that loves "freedom" so much, it's also too bad that we don't make Apple sell us devices that we can actually own and control, by simply voting with our dollars.

> ...compile and install the app yourself...

Every 7 days!! if you only have a free developer account, otherwise every year and only for a limited amount of apps.

If we could compile and install apps without any limitations, we'd already have a competing app store that automates this for people.