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Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by dilap on Thursday July 08, 2021 @10:59AM (#27772800)
Andrew Kelley of Zig also moved away from YouTube because of forced ads (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjz6xNO63mI)

YouTube is an amazing collection of knowledge, but it's unfortunate that it's in the hands of an entity whose primary goal and motivation is avarice. A degradation of the experience over time seems inevitable.

How to organize human endeavors in a way that captures the innovation and superbly focused effort of early-stage companies without devolving into the raw exploitation, rent-seeking, and monopolistic behavior of late-stage companies seems an open problem.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by flaque on Thursday July 08, 2021 @03:03PM (#27776363)
Somewhat of a plug (apologies), but we're bootstrapping an open platform for video on top of RSS to solve this problem.

It can play videos on (most) podcasting apps people already have on their phones. Here's an example: https://evan.streambus.com/rss/main.xml (try putting that into your podcasting app)

We make a publishing tool for it with a linear/superhuman-like interface that's free to use. Since it's just RSS, it's fundamentally open: if you want to use a different tool, or roll your own, you can do so without losing your audience. And since it's a podcast, you can piggy-back off of an already thriving ecosystem of apps, tools, distribution channels, and monetization strategies.

If you watch videos on RSS, and the app you're using puts ads on the videos, you can just use a different app. And if the video creator wants to put ads on their videos; the money is at least going to them, and not giving a 45% cut to one of the wealthiest companies in the world.

It's a bit early, but if you'd like to try it, send me an email: evan @ streambus dot com, or fill out the thing here: https://streambus.com/

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by dredmorbius on Thursday July 08, 2021 @04:55PM (#27777479)
RSS is definitely a useful technology.

What I discovered about PeerTube recently, as a Mastodon user, is that PeerTube feeds can be subscribed to / followed as any other Mastodon user. Possibly even aggregated instances (I'm still sorting out how this operates).

This ... is actually more elegant and useful than RSS in numerous regards, at least for my workflows. (Though a flipside view might be that Mastodon / the Fediverse is more addictive and a greater timesuck).

But the ability to be notified of new content from within what's a primary social channel is pretty compelling. My RSS reader(s) by contrast seem to be higher-friction / higher-frustration (there are many, many, many poorly-structured or poorly-utilised feeds, I should of course weed those out, that ... seems like more work than it's worth).

The problem that direct access is seen as remunerative (that is: hitting a website directly), whilst various syndication channels are seen as appropriating value from the sites is also problematic. It's endemic to both advertising and surveillance-capitalism based monetisation, and is yet another case of how such practices when widely adopted actively destroy useful tools and platforms.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by flaque on Thursday July 08, 2021 @05:07PM (#27777628)
> This ... is actually more elegant and useful than RSS in numerous regards, at least for my workflows. (Though a flipside view might be that Mastodon / the Fediverse is more addictive and a greater timesuck).

I mostly agree with you on this. In fact, this concept somewhat came from a fediverse/activity_pub thing I was working on awhile ago: https://github.com/pubcast/pubcast

The concept of having an "inbox" and "outbox" and then just interlacing with everyone else really hits that part of my brain.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by swiley on Thursday July 08, 2021 @04:27PM (#27777178)
That's awesome to hear, I'm a little surprised videos in RSS have been so unpopular, the UX is pretty amazing and all the tools are there ready to go.
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by flaque on Thursday July 08, 2021 @04:47PM (#27777405)
It's still a bit clunky. Not every app supports every video format, and RSS doesn't cleanly do fallbacks.

Our goal right now is to create a publishing platform that smooths over some of these hiccups (for example, generating backwards-compatible RSS links for each app), as well as creating incentives for apps to coalesce around HLS/m3u8 natively.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by rvz on Thursday July 08, 2021 @11:25AM (#27773180)
He made the right choice there. It's not fit for purpose for small creators or users anymore and the big established media players have spoilt it for them.

Unsurprisingly, YouTube only follows the big money so they know that they cannot and will never change. Creators become victims to the recommendation algorithm and compete against viewership governed by 'The Algorithm'.

For those who are after monetisation on YouTube, It can best described as shooting a video on a tight-rope, blind folded and surrounded by thousands of snakes and crocodiles on a daily basis.

One slip up, wrong move or silly sound and your account could be demonetised, permanently banned or both. That's doesn't seem like 'freedom' as YouTube describes it. [0]

[0] https://www.youtube.com/about/

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by helsinkiandrew on Thursday July 08, 2021 @12:03PM (#27773827)
I hate YouTube ads and do my best to block them where I can, but let’s not forget that YouTube is serving a billion hours of video a day, which costs.

If you don’t want ads to appear on your videos, you can host the videos on your own website and pay for the data or use another video service. Neither are likely to give the streaming performance or audience you’d get with YouTube.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by the_third_wave on Thursday July 08, 2021 @04:05PM (#27776961)
Alternatively you host your videos on both your own Peertube site as well as Youtube and direct Youtube-visitors to either Peertube, Invidious [2] or - if they're using Android - NewPipe. If they are command-line savvy they can use youtube-dl or one of the mediaplayers which make use of its functionality (mpv, VLC, smplayer etc). In other words there are many ways to both have your cake and eat it here. Self-hosted Peertube with Youtube as CDN and discovery network gives you the best of both worlds. If Google ever decides your videos don't fit the desired narrative you won't be left out in the cold. By self-hosting you also avoid being branded -ist or -phobe just because you happen to use some alternative video platform (Odysee etc) which also hosts content made by others.

[1] https://framagit.org/framasoft/peertube

[2] https://github.com/iv-org/invidious

[3] https://github.com/TeamNewPipe/NewPipe

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by dredmorbius on Thursday July 08, 2021 @04:57PM (#27777495)
Is Invidious anything other than a YouTube proxy?

Is there Invidious-native content?

(Mind: the proxy feature is quite usfeul. It's also ... limited and limiting.)

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by the_third_wave on Thursday July 08, 2021 @06:31PM (#27778419)
No, it is only a proxy. For native content Peertube is a good option, I've been running it for a few years without any real problems, starting out on a machine with a Pentium E2220 and 2GB of RAM (video transcoding was... slow... but once transcoded it worked fine), later moving to less anaemic hardware.

Invidious is useful for more than just filtering out ads, it actually makes Youtube content useable on older hardware - like the Thinkpad T42p I'm using right now - where the "official" interface and player are close to useless. When configured correctly - i.e. when videos are proxied through the server - it keeps your video viewing habits out of Google's hands. It makes it possible to follow channels without Google knowing about it. It can not help against censorship, when Google removes content it can no longer be accessed through Invidious. I've used Peertube to mirror Youtube channels which have had videos removed which does help against censorship - run a cron job to monitor a channel for changes and mirror new videos to Peertube. All of this can be done anonymously - I do not even have a Google or Youtube account.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by dredmorbius on Thursday July 08, 2021 @07:56PM (#27779022)
Thanks, that largely reflects my own experience.

The now-largely-unusable (thanks to API key limitations) mps-youtube command-line utility still remains the most useful interface to YouTube I've ever used:

- Runs without any browser at all.

- From a console.

- Without video, if you so specify.

- Enables full search, can be limited to music, includes both content and account search. That is, you can search for content matching terms, or for a username / account matching a term. Also playlists IIRC.

- Can play based on a given account's videos / postings.

- Individual items can be saved to a queue. Those may be ephemeral (session-only), or saved to disk.

- Content can be downloaded if preferred.

- No YouTube account required, no play history on YouTube.

YouTube apparently did all they could to kill this, and largely succeeded. I'd used it fairly extensively for my own preferred use of the site: finding lectures (and occasionally book-readings or similar content), and queuing up playlists or downloading archives of those. Works on absolutely minimal hardware.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by dmos62 on Thursday July 08, 2021 @04:48PM (#27777407)
If only NewPipe had access to Google's recommendation engine (or its dataset). That's the only reason why I'm on youtube.com a lot.
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by toastal on Friday July 09, 2021 @01:12AM (#27780658)
In the past I would agree, but anymore all of the recommendations are things I watched a couple of years ago. I'm not getting turned on to new, relevant content but refed stuff I 'liked'.
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by the_third_wave on Thursday July 08, 2021 @06:42PM (#27778532)
Hm, I actually see this as an advantage of these alternative frontends since there is far less incentive to be pulled down some rabbit hole. Without recommendations and autoplay the thing just plays the video you point it at and stops without trying to entice you to stay just a bit longer [1].

[1] ...cue audio from that ancient C64 game: Another visitor, stay a while, stay FOREVER... https://www.c64-wiki.com/wiki/Impossible_Mission

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by crtasm on Friday July 09, 2021 @02:26PM (#27786835)
If you tap a video in Newpipe then swipe left/right on the bottom area of the screen you get comments, description and related videos - is that what you want?
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by regularfry on Thursday July 08, 2021 @12:49PM (#27774589)
They've also dramatically increased the proportion and intrusiveness of those ads over the last year, taking advantage of a near-monopoly position and a captive audience.
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by slinkyblack on Thursday July 08, 2021 @01:06PM (#27774874)
I would also argue that part of the reason for the escalation of ads is spread of ad blocking. They have fewer users they can monetize, so they have to monetize those users more.
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by pixxel on Thursday July 08, 2021 @02:14PM (#27775805)
Do you know the percentage of users that use ad blocking on YT?
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by slinkyblack on Thursday July 08, 2021 @05:19PM (#27777739)
No idea, but I know it's a self defeating cycle. I started blocking ads because they were getting annoying, I'm sure many other do the same.
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by josteink on Thursday July 08, 2021 @02:48PM (#27776208)
> They've also dramatically increased the proportion and intrusiveness of those ads over the last year, taking advantage of a near-monopoly position and a captive audience.

Agreed.

But they didn’t do this until after providing you with the option to pay for ad-free.

If ads bother you that much really, just put up and pay for it. Your problem will be solved across all your machines, devices, phones, tablets and TVs in less than a minute.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by peakaboo on Thursday July 08, 2021 @03:29PM (#27776615)
Google created this "problem" and they also created a "solution" for it.

A better solution is to move away from YouTube, if at all possible.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by regularfry on Friday July 09, 2021 @05:21AM (#27781870)
The existence of alternatives doesn't mean I need to like either, and they have changed the parameters of the choice in the last year. I don't have to like that, either.
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by justbored123 on Thursday July 08, 2021 @02:04PM (#27775692)
You know that you can pay the same that you pay for Netflix and have no adds right?
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by helsinkiandrew on Friday July 09, 2021 @03:10AM (#27781182)
What I don't understand is why do I never get ads for Youtube premium? Why isn't there a "signup to Premium to remove ads" on every page.

To find out about Premium I have to go to my channel-> Purchases and memberships->Read More

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by forbiddenvoid on Thursday July 08, 2021 @01:10PM (#27774932)
What monopoly?

I could buy the search monopoly position, but not video.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by pta2002 on Thursday July 08, 2021 @03:37PM (#27776698)
If anything, YouTube is even more of a monopoly than Google, because while other search engines can index the same internet and show similar results, YouTube competitors don't have the creators behind them to create content for them, and the creators don't want to create content for these platforms since they don't have the users.
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by freeopinion on Thursday July 08, 2021 @01:39PM (#27775344)
The original submission here is related to solvespace. Why would solvespace want to have a bigger audience for these videos than just the people who visit their site? And why couldn't they meet the streaming needs of that audience just as well as youtube?

If you are trying to reach a larger and larger audience beyond your own abilities to stream, it sounds like you yourself are advertising. So you are annoyed that the advertising firm you use to advertise is using your advertisement to advertise.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by throwaway316943 on Thursday July 08, 2021 @02:02PM (#27775668)
Personally I’d miss the discoverability that YouTube provides. Actually I miss it already since they nerfed their algorithm. Maybe we should be building better directories and searches?
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by freeopinion on Thursday July 08, 2021 @02:59PM (#27776308)
I'm guessing your use case is different. Solvespace doesn't need youtube for discoverability of these videos. These are not ad videos. They are tutorials. So why not host them on the same site as you host the software downloads?

Discoverability is good for advertising. It seems odd that people complain about ads on a service they use for advertising.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by throwaway316943 on Friday July 09, 2021 @07:25AM (#27782555)
I mostly watch tutorials. Some of which I search for but many have been suggested and allowed me to discover new hobbies and interests or even just new channels on the same topic with good presenters.
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by Crash0v3rid3 on Thursday July 08, 2021 @01:09PM (#27774914)
> I hate YouTube ads and do my best to block them where I can, but let’s not forget that YouTube is serving a billion hours of video a day, which costs.

You understand the costs involved to serve billions of hours of video a day yet still block the ads used to help sustain the site?

Why not pay for premium?

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by bruce343434 on Thursday July 08, 2021 @01:33PM (#27775263)
They don't deserve my subscription, their ads are too annoying and intrusive. Seriously, a 20 minute video can contain 6 midrolls. I recently tried to watch some video about how singapore is the only succesful dictatorship and instead it kept getting interrupted mid-sentence.

At this point I am fully convinced even cable tv has a better signal to noise ratio.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by Chris2048 on Thursday July 08, 2021 @01:27PM (#27775188)
What are the costs involved in hosting for a single 10 minute 720p video?
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by maccard on Thursday July 08, 2021 @02:02PM (#27775667)
Assuming it's 50MB compressed, about 0.1c per month to store it, 0.4c per view for bandwidth, plus cpu cost to stream it(unsure of how much this costs), plus transcoding costs on upload.(based on gcp storage costs)

Then there's also the non-dollar cost of the access to the very sizeable YouTube audience that google curates.

Comparing the cost of the actual hosting is silly though. Nobody thinks the value of hosting the nyt cooking site comes from the engineering behind the website, it comes from the content stored. The exact same. Thing is true here, the value of your video being on youtube is it being in a storefront.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by sdenton4 on Thursday July 08, 2021 @03:16PM (#27776507)
...and then all the complexity starts. You really want to store many transcodes, and send a transcode appropriate for the combination of device and bandwidth. No point wasting money on bandwidth sending a 4k video to a small smartphone on a dicey mobile connection, after all.

Is the video served from some datacenter in Germany, no matter where the user is? You can cut bandwidth costs and improve latency by caching videos closer to the users, at the cost of handling all of the caching complexity and business arrangements.

If video 6-of-15 in the tutorial series suddenly goes viral, are you on the hook for outlandish bandwidth charges, or does your site hit a quota and just die?

Overall, it's VERY understandable that businesses outsource the complexity of video hosting, based on the engineering complexity alone.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by Sr_developer on Thursday July 08, 2021 @04:13PM (#27777042)
> about 0.1c per month to store it, > 0.4c per view for bandwidth

No. Those estimates are 1 order of magnitude wrong. You wouldnt even pay that much contracting the highest tiers in AWS/Azure/GC , let alone owning the infrastructure.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by maccard on Thursday July 08, 2021 @05:42PM (#27777964)
Those estimates are taken from the gcp pricing page [0] that say $0.02 (or 2c) per GB. Have you a source for your claim that I'm wrong?

[0] https://cloud.google.com/storage/pricing#price-tables

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by Sr_developer on Thursday July 08, 2021 @07:22PM (#27778816)
You are correct, I must have made a dumb mistake in my mental calculations
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by markzzerella on Thursday July 08, 2021 @02:16PM (#27775836)
Google could easily figure out how to distribute the bandwidth and storage costs of that were a priority.
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by xtc303sqrt on Friday July 09, 2021 @02:19AM (#27780946)
Bandwidth and storage is distributed in data centers around the world.

Or you mean using users’ bandwidth and storage to power the service? That might go over less well than you think.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by markzzerella on Friday July 09, 2021 @03:20PM (#27787486)
The latter. In the age of patreon people clicking the 'support creator with reseed' box to temporarily donate some spare resources to creators they like is almost a given.
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by ghaff on Thursday July 08, 2021 @11:20AM (#27773107)
Consumers need to be able and willing to pay money rather than renting their eyeballs. (And creators need to be willing to pay for hosting/discovery.) If YouTube could make more money as a gated subscription site that charged for uploads and, say, $100/year to access, they'd be more than happy to do so.
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by riveducha on Thursday July 08, 2021 @01:05PM (#27774852)
I am a small time Youtuber with a monetized channel. There are two things to consider for anyone thinking about ads on YouTube.

One is that subscribing to YT Premium will get rid of all the ads. (You can’t get rid of sponsor shoutouts with Premium, though.) From the data that YouTube gives me, only a tiny fraction of my revenue comes from Premium users. I assume this means only a tiny fraction of users have Premium.

Second, if you are in YPP (monetized channel), you can choose which videos have ads and when the ads appear. One workaround I’ve seen people use is to get accepted into YPP and then use that to turn off ads. The Zig channel would qualify given its viewership.

Not advocating for one way over another, just wanted to add info.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by max46 on Thursday July 08, 2021 @01:15PM (#27775017)
It's called Youtube Premium and the vast majority of people of the internet made it very clear they will never pay for it even if the ads are driving them crazy.

Youtubers also get far more money from premium views than normal views.

Ironically, most of the complains people have with youtube are derived directly or indirectly from the fact that the platform is ad-supported. Youtube doesn't care that your video is offensive, but advertisers do. Every demonetization wave was preceded by a mass of people putting pressure on them (eg. NYT "journalists" literally searching for isis videos, taking screenshots and telling the companies with ads next to them that they will be listed in their article if they don't stop doing business with youtube)

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by yjftsjthsd-h on Thursday July 08, 2021 @01:27PM (#27775184)
I'm torn, because on the one hand, yes, YT ~deserves to get paid for their product. On the other hand, as a user, it feels like they intentionally made the free tier worse - more ads, removing features - to try and get people to pay, which makes me want to avoid giving them money. It feels like rewarding them for solving a problem that they artificially created.
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by danShumway on Thursday July 08, 2021 @04:30PM (#27777218)
I did subscribe to Youtube premium for a pretty decent chunk of time, I think a couple of years, and it was specifically to support creators. It's a worse experience than adblocking, not just in terms of cost, but purely in terms of the service itself.

It doesn't get rid of tracking, and it doesn't get rid of the eternal problem of Youtube's recommendation engine. However blocking ads, cookies, and several key scripts on Youtube does seem to get Youtube to at least stop constantly customizing things for me. Maybe it's gotten better now, but Youtube was also constantly trying to get me to watch exclusive videos, so it wasn't even actually getting rid of ads, just ads inside videos. It promised the ability to download videos, but they were locked in a weird format on Android and periodically deleted themselves or errored out, they were completely unreliable. Their app also used something like twice the battery of NewPipe, a program that (for viewers) seems to do literally everything their app does but better.

The final kind of insult to injury was that I found out that if I was signed into Youtube on both my desktop and on my phone, it would block me if I tried to play videos on both at the same time, which... nothing else has that problem. I don't have that problem when I'm blocking ads, I can watch videos on as many devices as I want. Logging into Youtube shouldn't give me a worse experience than logging out of it.

I eventually gave up because I was paying Google $10 a month, and then signing out of my account and using UBlock Origin to watch videos. So none of that was going to the creators I wanted to support, and I just didn't see the point anymore. For a while it was getting bundled with Google Play Music, which was at least something, but even that ended and now they have Youtube Music or whatever. So I dropped Youtube Premium and just started giving people money on Patreon instead. It's more direct, it's more valuable to them, it's a better experience for me, and I get very slightly better privacy.

It's not necessarily that people are unwilling to pay, it's that the service is bad. Even if Youtube Premium was free I wouldn't use it. If Ublock Origin and NewPipe were $15 a month, they would still be a better deal than Youtube Premium was at the time I was subscribed.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by Chris2048 on Thursday July 08, 2021 @01:31PM (#27775236)
If YT demonetizes you, do you still get money from premium viewers?
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by knorker on Thursday July 08, 2021 @02:54PM (#27776267)
I don't have a reference for you, but when I last researched this the answer was "yes".

Now, that of course doesn't apply if a copyright holder is claiming your ad revenue. But my researched back then is that yes, it does mean you still get paid for "advertiser-unfriendly" content.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by tehjoker on Thursday July 08, 2021 @11:38AM (#27773382)
Why can't we just have a publicly owned video site that is paid for by all of us? We all use YouTube so it seems like a prime fit for public infrastructure. This would guarantee 1A rights to political speech and journalism, as well as remove advertising and engagement incentives.
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by jsilence on Thursday July 08, 2021 @12:58PM (#27774729)
Because even if you pay they will eventually insert ads into your feed. See Amazon Prime lately. So what is the point?
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by artificial on Thursday July 08, 2021 @05:26PM (#27777803)
Was it HBO that pioneered this model?
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by freeopinion on Thursday July 08, 2021 @02:02PM (#27775666)
The concept of "publicly owned" is interesting. When a company is listed on an open stock exchange and anybody is allowed to purchase a piece of ownership and be able to vote as a shareholder, that is "privately owned." When a "company" is controlled by the government and the public has no say in who is appointed to make decisions for that organization, the company is "publicly owned." For a publicly owned entity, the public can, in theory, vote in a politician who can appoint somebody to appoint somebody to control the entity.

So privately owned companies can be directly controlled by their owners in proportion to the amount of ownership. Publicly owned companies cannot usually be directly controlled by their owners, but can be indirectly controlled in proportion to the political power of the owner.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by tehjoker on Thursday July 08, 2021 @03:27PM (#27776600)
> 90% of all stock is owned institutionally. It is impossible to compare the stock market with a representative democracy. In the former, the wealthy rule, in the latter, the poor have a chance by virtue of sheer numbers.

In a private company, you have no chance of appeal. In a government, you at least have elections. The worst most corrosive parts of our government come from its contact with the wealthy and the corporate sector and those aspiring to become them.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Thursday July 08, 2021 @12:53PM (#27774661)
Who do you trust to run it?
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by tehjoker on Thursday July 08, 2021 @03:29PM (#27776609)
Any representative body would do better than a corporate monarchy.
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by blooalien on Thursday July 08, 2021 @05:43PM (#27777977)
> "Any representative body would do better than a corporate monarchy."

In theory I wanna agree with you, but in practice, "representative bodies" often represent their corporate masters far more than they do the will of the people.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by tehjoker on Friday July 09, 2021 @01:03PM (#27785862)
It's a complex topic to really dig into, but I think you can at least say this briefly: Representative bodies at least have the potential to cooperatively work to their constituent's benefit. A monarchy can only be forced to do so out of fear.
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by Xelbair on Thursday July 08, 2021 @11:46AM (#27773521)
The people who are willing to pay for such subscription are the most valuable to advertisers.

They will offer way more money than you can offer for the service.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by m0llusk on Thursday July 08, 2021 @11:49AM (#27773576)
There are lots of ways to make money with content that do not involve charging for copies. One of the most popular and promising is the pay to release model where a preview may be free but the product is only released in full once enough money has been spent on it. This a more flexible approach that does not lock producers into a particular price structure or production schedule. Now that copies no longer have significant cost or barriers it is necessary to move away from making exchange of copies the primary point of revenue generation.
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by SQueeeeeL on Thursday July 08, 2021 @11:30AM (#27773240)
Wait, isn't YouTube premium this and basically no one uses it
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by RandallBrown on Thursday July 08, 2021 @11:33AM (#27773273)
I've been paying for YouTube Premium for a few months now and absolutely love it. If I ever get logged out it's a horrible reminder of how annoying the ads are.
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by larrykubin on Thursday July 08, 2021 @12:47PM (#27774565)
YouTube Premium has tens of millions of subscribers, tons of people use it. I use it so much that I would cancel Netflix before I would cancel YouTube Premium.
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by denimnerd42 on Thursday July 08, 2021 @11:34AM (#27773299)
I see a lot of negative about YT premium online but I've been using it for years.. I don't know how you can use the YT app on mobile without it.
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by anthk on Thursday July 08, 2021 @08:33PM (#27779308)
Newpipe from FDroid.
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by MikusR on Thursday July 08, 2021 @11:36AM (#27773335)
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by Crash0v3rid3 on Thursday July 08, 2021 @11:43AM (#27773456)
How about we stop pushing these alternatives that ensure creators never get paid?

It’s hard work to make content, many channels are run full time. I know people hate ads, and if that’s the case, just pay for Premium.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by anthk on Thursday July 08, 2021 @08:34PM (#27779313)
>How about we stop pushing these alternatives that ensure creators never get paid?

My client, my computers, my rules.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by lostmsu on Thursday July 08, 2021 @12:43PM (#27774511)
Does premium fee go to content authors?
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by Rebelgecko on Thursday July 08, 2021 @12:50PM (#27774605)
Yeah. It might depend on the channel, but I saw one creator (maybe CGP Grey?) say that they make more from a YT Premium viewer than an ad-supported one
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by knorker on Thursday July 08, 2021 @02:55PM (#27776283)
Like with ad revenue, it's a split between content creator and Google.

They're being secretive about exactly how that split works.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by michaelmrose on Thursday July 08, 2021 @03:19PM (#27776536)
If they please they can easily make content premium only instead of relying on people's willingness to see ads. If people can with a few clicks see no ads then 10-25% of people will probably do so while the majority continue to watch ads. Content isn't premium only because they have already run the numbers and they get more from the majority that watch the ads than they would by putting it behind a paywall.
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by denimnerd42 on Thursday July 08, 2021 @02:23PM (#27775919)
i used to be all about these workarounds when I was younger. now $10/mo saves a lot of hassle.
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by fragile_frogs on Thursday July 08, 2021 @12:08PM (#27773897)
I have been using YouTube Premium from day one and I absolutely love it.
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by peruvian on Thursday July 08, 2021 @01:43PM (#27775413)
YouTube Premium is overpriced because it includes Music and other stuff. Easy way around that is signing up using a VPN in Russia or India. My YTP costs $3/mo.
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by throwaddzuzxd on Thursday July 08, 2021 @11:50AM (#27773595)
You still have sponsored segments even with Youtube premium. I refuse to pay for a service and still get ads.
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by ghaff on Thursday July 08, 2021 @11:33AM (#27773280)
That's sort of my point. You could also look at Vimeo vs. YouTube.

There's also the point that pretty much every time a paywalled article is posted here, someone will inevitably post some work around to the paywall.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by robotnikman on Thursday July 08, 2021 @11:41AM (#27773434)
I remember way when youtube first started they had a premium subscription option which allowed you to upload longer and higher quality videos. If you didnt have a subscription you were limited to 10 minutes per video
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by MonaroVXR on Thursday July 08, 2021 @10:56PM (#27780067)
I remember that too, good times. Anime series had A, B and C parts.
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by Y_Y on Thursday July 08, 2021 @04:35PM (#27777277)
I pay for Nebula. It has a lot of the YouTube channels I was already watching and isn't evil.

https://nebula.app/

I will sometimes user NewPipe even to view their videos though. The Android app needs work.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by Chris2048 on Thursday July 08, 2021 @01:29PM (#27775209)
> say, $100/year

How much of that is hosting, and how much is content?

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by underseacables on Thursday July 08, 2021 @11:50AM (#27773593)
However that subscription access might dilute their control. What bothers me about YouTube is how they try to police content and censor (ie the Wuhan lab leak). If there’s a stronger model where viewers do pay (and not just rent to use your word) then YouTube may feel they have less control to censor.
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by duxup on Thursday July 08, 2021 @11:01AM (#27772826)
>it's in the hands of an entity whose primary goal and motivation is avarice

And we gave it all to them, for the price of the convince of using their service.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by briefcomment on Thursday July 08, 2021 @11:10AM (#27772958)
> forced ads

Recently, some people were trying to tell me that ads are entirely controlled by the video uploader, when I brought up some videos that clearly had way more ads than any content creator would reasonably allow.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by bmn__ on Thursday July 08, 2021 @11:51AM (#27773615)
> ads are entirely controlled by the video uploader

Some Youtubers talk shop on their channels. I have learnt from them that this is not the case. Even if a Youtuber is very meticulous about placing and restricting the ads (e.g. two mid-rolls), sometimes the software "forgets" and goes full ad blast on the viewer (one pre-roll and six mid-rolls). The cynic's interpretation would be that this happens on purpose.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by mavhc on Thursday July 08, 2021 @11:22AM (#27773131)
It's as if Google doesn't want to host the world's videos for free
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by mavsman on Thursday July 08, 2021 @11:21AM (#27773123)
I once swore to myself that I'd never monetize videos. Now my small-time channel has ads before my videos and I don't even have enough watch-time (yet) to monetize them to grab the pennies that could be mine.

Once I do have the watch-time (4000 hours per year) to monetize, I will feel sleazy about it but I don't think it would make any difference to viewers, I'll just be taking the pennies I deserve.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by freeopinion on Thursday July 08, 2021 @02:15PM (#27775813)
You can monetize your videos from day 1. Just line up sponsors. If you want you can embed ads for your sponsors.

Oh, wait, you mean you can't monetize without exerting some actual effort? How is that Youtube's fault?

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by Rebelgecko on Thursday July 08, 2021 @12:52PM (#27774646)
How recently? Up until Wednesday last week, I believe every single ad was placed by the creator. Some just go more wild with it than others.

(disclaimer- I work for the Goog)

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by briefcomment on Thursday July 08, 2021 @05:13PM (#27777682)
Hm, this was a few weeks ago. I just thought it was ridiculous that a creator would put an ad every three minutes on a three hour video. I guess it's possible.

There were some other creators that I saw some less egregious but still questionable cadences with, which I thought would go against their general ethos (like ads every five minutes on an hour long video by a person who is generally against a culture of over-capitalization).

Maybe A/B tests?

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by app4soft on Friday July 09, 2021 @08:43AM (#27783107)
> Andrew Kelley of Zig also moved away from YouTube because of forced ads

JFTR, Eric Buijs[0] (author of mentioned SolveSpace video tutorials) moved to PeerTube[1] few years ago:

> I do hope that people, that love their privacy and want to control their content, will follow me and start uploading great content to PeerTube for this is the only way to get out of the YouTube stranglehold. To get you started I’ve made a list of some useful links. See you on PeerTube.

P.S. Follow Eric & me on Mastodon if you are interested in showcases of SolveSpace app, a free & open-source 2D/3D CAD software.[2,3]

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=homehack.nl

[1] https://homehack.nl/youtube-or-peertube-what-will-it-be/

[2] https://fosstodon.org/@ericbuijs/103665384686311116

[3] https://fosstodon.org/@app4soft/103665316320159292

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by huslage on Thursday July 08, 2021 @06:31PM (#27778420)
Just here to point out that you can actually pay for YouTube. It's $12/mo (https://www.youtube.com/premium).

I don't get any ads at all. Ever. Other than those "sponsorships" that are just as annoying.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by justbored123 on Thursday July 08, 2021 @01:53PM (#27775556)
I have to ask the obvious question here: How do you plan to maintain the second largest website on the internet that has high bandwidth demands to serve 4k video content and serves 122 million users a day, 2+ billion a month if you are not willing to even tolerate simple adds that you can easily bypass in 1 minute of your time by installing an add blocker or downloading Brave browser or God forbid paying 10 dollars a month?

My friends will not even host the torrent that they just downloaded for a single hour and my family don't know what torrent is and more important than that, they don't care. Good luck with really large scale p2p solutions. You must be really happy paying 100 bucks on fees to transfer 10 dollars on the Bitcoin or ETH networks, but hey! no adds or "evil" companies!

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by anthk on Thursday July 08, 2021 @08:37PM (#27779337)
I don't block ads, I just use a host file avoiding connections to sites I don't like to send metadata.

Ad blocking it's just a feature.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by elwell on Thursday July 08, 2021 @11:46AM (#27773516)
Can you add advertiser-unfriendly content to your video to avoid YouTube forcing ads?
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by CharlesW on Thursday July 08, 2021 @11:53AM (#27773654)
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by somethingor on Thursday July 08, 2021 @12:20PM (#27774131)
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by CharlesW on Saturday July 10, 2021 @10:46PM (#27798120)
Wow, ugh. TIL, thank you!
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by freeopinion on Thursday July 08, 2021 @02:21PM (#27775894)
You can add advertiser-unfriendly content. You can add Youtube-unfriendly content. But that won't necessarily prevent Youtube from forcing ads.

Or... you could route around Youtube completely. Why do you use a service with which you are unfriendly?