Chris2048

https://yaak.app/ prev: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43185836

This is a discussion forum, why gatekeep whatever it is you want to say.

and yet you quote me as if to make a point. Feel free to duck out.

The parent doesn't mention capitalism..

> doesn't solve the fact that many people want to play games with others online

What does this have to do with this? I'm not sure you understand the point being made..

> So you immediately assume that ChatGPT is falling for those fake stats and using it in chat responses or analysis input? Where's the proof for that?

In TFA it says:

"Around 72,000 of them came from ChatGPT-User. That is the agent ChatGPT uses to open a page in real time while answering someone."

> You also saw your fake stats in a paper and a few other sites and assumed ChatGPT put it there?

I don't think TFA actually says this.

> Remember Viagra?

What.. does Viagra have to do with this?

> Your "logical conclusion" ignores that

Why did you have to phrase it like this, instead of just bringing up your own counterpoint?

Also, I'd see the concern here as where the code runs: if there is a dependency on the server to pull down code/assets, but it still runs it locally, then there is still an opportunity to pirate it locally - So this isn't a point about cloud-dependence, but AI/piracy specifically pushing execution to the server side.

> Models will often just ignore your process instructions

Many are using a sub, which means (AFAIK) you can't override the system prompt:

https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/release-notes/system-pro...

I imagine it's harder to follow relevant instructions once they are buried in a mass of otherwise irrelevant, but undifferentiated instructions.

The reason it got "lost":

> the similarity to cunt (and particularly homophony with cunny) led through taboo avoidance both to the word's displacement in the main by rabbit and bunny

The line in the sand is that the quoted example is not a reasonable distinction, which you agreed with.

Please address the second paragraph, no analogy there.

> You may as well have said "it's kinda like Goldilocks and the three bears."

That story is used allegorically all the time, rarely involving talking bears, so I'm not what you mean.

> You can only stretch anologies so far

agreed, but now we have a baseline before digging into them grey areas, and I know you're not completely crazy by rejecting this example (such people exist).

Where do you think the line exists in this situation? If a software is unusable, to the point that it's difficult to imagine the creator (or its proponents) actually tried using it - Can that be dismissed as simply incomplete, or buggy?

> No it's not.

Why not? A minesweeper program is also a buggy/incomplete photoshop implementation if you stretch the semantics enough.

At some point mere hype becomes outright misrepresentation, and I'm hearing the same weasely language here as I did from the blockchain scammer crowd.

How do you determine what is "unrelated" versus "that same tradition".

By your phrasing, drug laws are related, because they pertain to body autonomy.

I'm not sure what your point is. Mine was that phrasing this as a limitation on the use of your body is an irrelevant misdirection;

Anything that is illegal and requires use of your body is a restriction in the use of your body.

Purchasing, selling and muling drugs is a voluntary trade, and also illegal.

> limit what women did with their bodies (on camera, for money)

like how murder laws limit what women did with their bodies (strangling people to death, with their hands)

> claiming that you're running a phishing website

Is this not defamation?

Which one?

> If an open source project is missing a feature, go build it.

> Be the change you want to see in the world.

The feature being: don't delete my data belonging by another program? It's kind of too late once deleted isn't it? And now even that other program cannot use the data either.

> Fortunately all ingredients are listed

How does this translate to the vim situation?

> has an obligation to do anything the way they feel it needs to be done

> anyone gets to do more or less what they want with the code

so if the software had explicitly installed a root kit, you'd say the same?

If you give out free soup, you get to poison it too?

> They should never care about national security because that's an instant ethical compromise, letting the government dictate what you can say.

There's a difference between caring about NS, and letting the government dictate how to do so.

Ironic since menthols are to me associated with an older generation. AFAIK, their original purpose was for smokers with colds / blocked sinuses.

> one of the hallmarks of Reddit are..

and LLMs are, in turn, trained on reddit content..

> nothing for sale on those pages

"$20/month · or $160/year"

-- https://aitradingcompetition.com/playbook.html#pricing

> FBI is unlikely to get involved unless damage is high six figures

How many figures of damage did Aaron Swartz cause?

Hmm, game design is a little different to other forms of software, and DF in particular since it's a niche interest that happened gained a following and became profitable. Would a temple-os be exhibited in MoMA?

> you're not going to bait me into that one!

but it's you throwing around the term. e.g. "economically speaking, that's an art market" - in what sense? How do you define an "art market"? It all seems very tautological.

> aesthetics-driven pursuit

aesthetics can usually biased by utility, to the extent of being a proxy for it. You can find the aerodynamics of a aeroplane or hummingbird wing beautiful, but there is still functionality driving it.

aesthetics is not the opposite of instrumental value; perhaps affective value, or sentimentality is?

> would I pay extra for an artisanal, organic, free-range, hand-coded app

what is artisanal code? I think talking about ux design conflates things, consider only backend code.

> their "art-form" suddenly has much, much less economic value

Can you define art/artist? If software is art, then what profession isn't?

Software still has value, specifically utility, it's just cheaper to produce, its market value is lower.

How is that comparable to the arts?

You contrast "like writing code" with "care little for status", but they are not the same things; as are having status, and caring about it.