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Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by ghaff on Thursday July 08, 2021 @11:20AM (#27773107)
Consumers need to be able and willing to pay money rather than renting their eyeballs. (And creators need to be willing to pay for hosting/discovery.) If YouTube could make more money as a gated subscription site that charged for uploads and, say, $100/year to access, they'd be more than happy to do so.
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by riveducha on Thursday July 08, 2021 @01:05PM (#27774852)
I am a small time Youtuber with a monetized channel. There are two things to consider for anyone thinking about ads on YouTube.

One is that subscribing to YT Premium will get rid of all the ads. (You can’t get rid of sponsor shoutouts with Premium, though.) From the data that YouTube gives me, only a tiny fraction of my revenue comes from Premium users. I assume this means only a tiny fraction of users have Premium.

Second, if you are in YPP (monetized channel), you can choose which videos have ads and when the ads appear. One workaround I’ve seen people use is to get accepted into YPP and then use that to turn off ads. The Zig channel would qualify given its viewership.

Not advocating for one way over another, just wanted to add info.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by max46 on Thursday July 08, 2021 @01:15PM (#27775017)
It's called Youtube Premium and the vast majority of people of the internet made it very clear they will never pay for it even if the ads are driving them crazy.

Youtubers also get far more money from premium views than normal views.

Ironically, most of the complains people have with youtube are derived directly or indirectly from the fact that the platform is ad-supported. Youtube doesn't care that your video is offensive, but advertisers do. Every demonetization wave was preceded by a mass of people putting pressure on them (eg. NYT "journalists" literally searching for isis videos, taking screenshots and telling the companies with ads next to them that they will be listed in their article if they don't stop doing business with youtube)

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by yjftsjthsd-h on Thursday July 08, 2021 @01:27PM (#27775184)
I'm torn, because on the one hand, yes, YT ~deserves to get paid for their product. On the other hand, as a user, it feels like they intentionally made the free tier worse - more ads, removing features - to try and get people to pay, which makes me want to avoid giving them money. It feels like rewarding them for solving a problem that they artificially created.
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by danShumway on Thursday July 08, 2021 @04:30PM (#27777218)
I did subscribe to Youtube premium for a pretty decent chunk of time, I think a couple of years, and it was specifically to support creators. It's a worse experience than adblocking, not just in terms of cost, but purely in terms of the service itself.

It doesn't get rid of tracking, and it doesn't get rid of the eternal problem of Youtube's recommendation engine. However blocking ads, cookies, and several key scripts on Youtube does seem to get Youtube to at least stop constantly customizing things for me. Maybe it's gotten better now, but Youtube was also constantly trying to get me to watch exclusive videos, so it wasn't even actually getting rid of ads, just ads inside videos. It promised the ability to download videos, but they were locked in a weird format on Android and periodically deleted themselves or errored out, they were completely unreliable. Their app also used something like twice the battery of NewPipe, a program that (for viewers) seems to do literally everything their app does but better.

The final kind of insult to injury was that I found out that if I was signed into Youtube on both my desktop and on my phone, it would block me if I tried to play videos on both at the same time, which... nothing else has that problem. I don't have that problem when I'm blocking ads, I can watch videos on as many devices as I want. Logging into Youtube shouldn't give me a worse experience than logging out of it.

I eventually gave up because I was paying Google $10 a month, and then signing out of my account and using UBlock Origin to watch videos. So none of that was going to the creators I wanted to support, and I just didn't see the point anymore. For a while it was getting bundled with Google Play Music, which was at least something, but even that ended and now they have Youtube Music or whatever. So I dropped Youtube Premium and just started giving people money on Patreon instead. It's more direct, it's more valuable to them, it's a better experience for me, and I get very slightly better privacy.

It's not necessarily that people are unwilling to pay, it's that the service is bad. Even if Youtube Premium was free I wouldn't use it. If Ublock Origin and NewPipe were $15 a month, they would still be a better deal than Youtube Premium was at the time I was subscribed.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by Chris2048 on Thursday July 08, 2021 @01:31PM (#27775236)
If YT demonetizes you, do you still get money from premium viewers?
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by knorker on Thursday July 08, 2021 @02:54PM (#27776267)
I don't have a reference for you, but when I last researched this the answer was "yes".

Now, that of course doesn't apply if a copyright holder is claiming your ad revenue. But my researched back then is that yes, it does mean you still get paid for "advertiser-unfriendly" content.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by tehjoker on Thursday July 08, 2021 @11:38AM (#27773382)
Why can't we just have a publicly owned video site that is paid for by all of us? We all use YouTube so it seems like a prime fit for public infrastructure. This would guarantee 1A rights to political speech and journalism, as well as remove advertising and engagement incentives.
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by jsilence on Thursday July 08, 2021 @12:58PM (#27774729)
Because even if you pay they will eventually insert ads into your feed. See Amazon Prime lately. So what is the point?
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by artificial on Thursday July 08, 2021 @05:26PM (#27777803)
Was it HBO that pioneered this model?
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by freeopinion on Thursday July 08, 2021 @02:02PM (#27775666)
The concept of "publicly owned" is interesting. When a company is listed on an open stock exchange and anybody is allowed to purchase a piece of ownership and be able to vote as a shareholder, that is "privately owned." When a "company" is controlled by the government and the public has no say in who is appointed to make decisions for that organization, the company is "publicly owned." For a publicly owned entity, the public can, in theory, vote in a politician who can appoint somebody to appoint somebody to control the entity.

So privately owned companies can be directly controlled by their owners in proportion to the amount of ownership. Publicly owned companies cannot usually be directly controlled by their owners, but can be indirectly controlled in proportion to the political power of the owner.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by tehjoker on Thursday July 08, 2021 @03:27PM (#27776600)
> 90% of all stock is owned institutionally. It is impossible to compare the stock market with a representative democracy. In the former, the wealthy rule, in the latter, the poor have a chance by virtue of sheer numbers.

In a private company, you have no chance of appeal. In a government, you at least have elections. The worst most corrosive parts of our government come from its contact with the wealthy and the corporate sector and those aspiring to become them.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Thursday July 08, 2021 @12:53PM (#27774661)
Who do you trust to run it?
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by tehjoker on Thursday July 08, 2021 @03:29PM (#27776609)
Any representative body would do better than a corporate monarchy.
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by blooalien on Thursday July 08, 2021 @05:43PM (#27777977)
> "Any representative body would do better than a corporate monarchy."

In theory I wanna agree with you, but in practice, "representative bodies" often represent their corporate masters far more than they do the will of the people.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by tehjoker on Friday July 09, 2021 @01:03PM (#27785862)
It's a complex topic to really dig into, but I think you can at least say this briefly: Representative bodies at least have the potential to cooperatively work to their constituent's benefit. A monarchy can only be forced to do so out of fear.
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by Xelbair on Thursday July 08, 2021 @11:46AM (#27773521)
The people who are willing to pay for such subscription are the most valuable to advertisers.

They will offer way more money than you can offer for the service.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by m0llusk on Thursday July 08, 2021 @11:49AM (#27773576)
There are lots of ways to make money with content that do not involve charging for copies. One of the most popular and promising is the pay to release model where a preview may be free but the product is only released in full once enough money has been spent on it. This a more flexible approach that does not lock producers into a particular price structure or production schedule. Now that copies no longer have significant cost or barriers it is necessary to move away from making exchange of copies the primary point of revenue generation.
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by SQueeeeeL on Thursday July 08, 2021 @11:30AM (#27773240)
Wait, isn't YouTube premium this and basically no one uses it
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by RandallBrown on Thursday July 08, 2021 @11:33AM (#27773273)
I've been paying for YouTube Premium for a few months now and absolutely love it. If I ever get logged out it's a horrible reminder of how annoying the ads are.
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by larrykubin on Thursday July 08, 2021 @12:47PM (#27774565)
YouTube Premium has tens of millions of subscribers, tons of people use it. I use it so much that I would cancel Netflix before I would cancel YouTube Premium.
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by denimnerd42 on Thursday July 08, 2021 @11:34AM (#27773299)
I see a lot of negative about YT premium online but I've been using it for years.. I don't know how you can use the YT app on mobile without it.
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by anthk on Thursday July 08, 2021 @08:33PM (#27779308)
Newpipe from FDroid.
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by MikusR on Thursday July 08, 2021 @11:36AM (#27773335)
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by Crash0v3rid3 on Thursday July 08, 2021 @11:43AM (#27773456)
How about we stop pushing these alternatives that ensure creators never get paid?

It’s hard work to make content, many channels are run full time. I know people hate ads, and if that’s the case, just pay for Premium.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by anthk on Thursday July 08, 2021 @08:34PM (#27779313)
>How about we stop pushing these alternatives that ensure creators never get paid?

My client, my computers, my rules.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by lostmsu on Thursday July 08, 2021 @12:43PM (#27774511)
Does premium fee go to content authors?
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by Rebelgecko on Thursday July 08, 2021 @12:50PM (#27774605)
Yeah. It might depend on the channel, but I saw one creator (maybe CGP Grey?) say that they make more from a YT Premium viewer than an ad-supported one
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by knorker on Thursday July 08, 2021 @02:55PM (#27776283)
Like with ad revenue, it's a split between content creator and Google.

They're being secretive about exactly how that split works.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by michaelmrose on Thursday July 08, 2021 @03:19PM (#27776536)
If they please they can easily make content premium only instead of relying on people's willingness to see ads. If people can with a few clicks see no ads then 10-25% of people will probably do so while the majority continue to watch ads. Content isn't premium only because they have already run the numbers and they get more from the majority that watch the ads than they would by putting it behind a paywall.
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by denimnerd42 on Thursday July 08, 2021 @02:23PM (#27775919)
i used to be all about these workarounds when I was younger. now $10/mo saves a lot of hassle.
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by fragile_frogs on Thursday July 08, 2021 @12:08PM (#27773897)
I have been using YouTube Premium from day one and I absolutely love it.
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by peruvian on Thursday July 08, 2021 @01:43PM (#27775413)
YouTube Premium is overpriced because it includes Music and other stuff. Easy way around that is signing up using a VPN in Russia or India. My YTP costs $3/mo.
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by throwaddzuzxd on Thursday July 08, 2021 @11:50AM (#27773595)
You still have sponsored segments even with Youtube premium. I refuse to pay for a service and still get ads.
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by ghaff on Thursday July 08, 2021 @11:33AM (#27773280)
That's sort of my point. You could also look at Vimeo vs. YouTube.

There's also the point that pretty much every time a paywalled article is posted here, someone will inevitably post some work around to the paywall.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by robotnikman on Thursday July 08, 2021 @11:41AM (#27773434)
I remember way when youtube first started they had a premium subscription option which allowed you to upload longer and higher quality videos. If you didnt have a subscription you were limited to 10 minutes per video
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by MonaroVXR on Thursday July 08, 2021 @10:56PM (#27780067)
I remember that too, good times. Anime series had A, B and C parts.
Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by Y_Y on Thursday July 08, 2021 @04:35PM (#27777277)
I pay for Nebula. It has a lot of the YouTube channels I was already watching and isn't evil.

https://nebula.app/

I will sometimes user NewPipe even to view their videos though. The Android app needs work.

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by Chris2048 on Thursday July 08, 2021 @01:29PM (#27775209)
> say, $100/year

How much of that is hosting, and how much is content?

Re:Video tutorials now on PeerTube by underseacables on Thursday July 08, 2021 @11:50AM (#27773593)
However that subscription access might dilute their control. What bothers me about YouTube is how they try to police content and censor (ie the Wuhan lab leak). If there’s a stronger model where viewers do pay (and not just rent to use your word) then YouTube may feel they have less control to censor.