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Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by trabant00 on Monday April 05, 2021 @01:53AM (#26695741)
Because at large people don't select their phone based on what you mention. What does matter I believe is marketing.

I think most importantly is Samsung's image presence vs LG. Can't remember the last time I've seen a TV advert for LG. Or a billboard in the city center, or youtube hype from influencers, etc. While Samsung is everywhere.

Second is the cool factor. LG has none while Samsung have this as a priority. From the design of the phones to their special physical presence in malls.

People often ask me (as an IT guy) to recommend a phone. But they always have their mind made up by the time they ask and Samsung is the choice. The other options don't look as good, are considered a risk vs a known, and are also seen as a budget choice for those who can't afford a Samsung. Sometimes I feel they would be even ashamed of having people see them with anything "less".

Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by neogodless on Monday April 05, 2021 @07:21AM (#26697609)
My nephew asked me what my phone was. I said a OnePlus 7 Pro. He said "is that a Samsung?" My anecdote suggests there is only iPhone and Samsung that people choose between. Of course many know there are other options, but that seems like the mindset of the masses.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by mdiesel on Monday April 05, 2021 @07:28AM (#26697657)
+1 for OnePlus. I started years back on the 2, upgraded more recently to the 6T. Will take a lot of convincing for me to even think about anyone else.

Same experience though, people have either heard of it and rave about it, or ask who makes it.

Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by asah on Monday April 05, 2021 @08:58AM (#26698329)
serious q: OnePlus looks *great* but I'm concerned about the Chinese government and the de facto cyberwar with the US.

Example: I have security sensitive US clients, and I'd be concerned that (in the future, let alone present) I'd be labeled a security risk for carrying a "chinese cellphone."

How do you mitigate this concern? (serious replies only please)

Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by eertami on Monday April 05, 2021 @09:13AM (#26698462)
Most people don't recognise what cell phone someone has, and I've never had a conversation organically turn to phone models unless someone is buying a new one.

I think if you put a case on it, the make/model of your phone will be brought up exactly 0 times in life.

Small aside: I used a Oneplus X for more than 5 years, but these days I'm not sure what positives OP have over other manufacturers. Early phones were great value but the recent releases just seem like other flagships. And the Nord for my usage is just a Pixel 4a but worse.

Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by azinman2 on Monday April 05, 2021 @12:22PM (#26700982)
If this is a real concern then why not pay attention to it? I believe Apple has the best track record in security and not embedding Chinese gov spyware.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by unknown2374 on Monday April 05, 2021 @01:58PM (#26702271)
This is the exact same reason I can't go for a OnePlus myself. I would look elsewhere.

edit: even if you flash the phone with open-source ROMs and firmware, the closed-nature of cellphones in general make it nigh impossible to know what hardware backdoors the manufacturers are forced to put in.

Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by _carbyau_ on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @10:22PM (#26719894)
I don't care for a flagship phone. I ended up with a Nokia.

While I assume they have it manufactured in China like Apple and the rest of the world it seems, I hope their quality assurance is Europe based.

Honestly though, I will watch the answers here.

Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by oriolid on Monday April 05, 2021 @08:59AM (#26698349)
OnePlus seems to have same kind of marketing aura as Samsung. I remember when they first came out and my co-workers were bragging about the great features OnePlus had. It turned out that Nexus 5 had all the same stuff.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by nucleardog on Monday April 05, 2021 @01:31PM (#26701926)
OnePlus was great when they hit the market because their phones had all the same stuff... but for cheaper to significantly cheaper.

They were never really sold as competing with a Nexus 5, and most people weren't buying a Nexus 5. (Even so, it was still ~20% cheaper.) People were looking at a OPO against a Galaxy S4/S5 and the other flagships that were all more than twice the price.

It was "marketing aura" in the sense that they took a phone that would have normally only appealed to developers/phone geeks and managed to market it to the masses to some extent.

But it wasn't _just_ marketing aura just because there was one other phone on the market that could compete with it. It was a legitimately good offering at the time when a Samsung cost twice as much and their offerings in that price range had seen so little care and attention as to be barely functional in many ways.

Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by Causality1 on Monday April 05, 2021 @08:26AM (#26698079)
Oneplus just isn't the same anymore in my opinion. My two year old OnePlus 6 launched at $530 with flagship specs and a headphone jack. The 9 starts at $730 for the same screen resolution, same storage, and it even loses the headphone jack and OIS.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by Jemm on Monday April 05, 2021 @08:14AM (#26697988)
I'm still using my OnePlus One. Damn thing won't die.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by FearlessNebula on Monday April 05, 2021 @08:01AM (#26697891)
Unfortunately OnePlus hasn't been releasing software updates for their new phones
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by neogodless on Monday April 05, 2021 @08:04AM (#26697915)
My understanding is that OxygenOS 11 took longer than expected but has been announced as far back as the 7. It was available for the 8/8T a month ago.

Still I am holding off on it as there are too many issues on various forums. I don't think there's anything I'm missing from Android 11 (yet.)

Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by enragedcacti on Monday April 05, 2021 @09:54AM (#26698995)
They've actually promised OxygenOS 11 all the way back to the 6. That said, rumors are that we won't get even a BETA until August meaning it will be more than a year after AOSP release and be out of date before it even ships :(
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by moonbug on Monday April 05, 2021 @11:58AM (#26700636)
that's wrong. They've just made their latest release - 10.3.9 - and it's supported on all models back to the 6.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by scrollaway on Monday April 05, 2021 @08:34AM (#26698146)
Hello fellow 6T owner. I got it just about three years back, the battery is in perfect shape and the phone doesn't have a scratch on it. If I take off the protection, it can genuinely pass off as new.

I'm never getting a phone without an armor again. That thing has fallen so many times on hard concrete and is completely untouched.

Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by ck425 on Monday April 05, 2021 @09:55AM (#26698999)
I loved my OnePlus One. But then when I went to replace it years later they'd scraped the headphone jack.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by gmadsen on Monday April 05, 2021 @09:01AM (#26698369)
if seems like all collection of social structures eventually coalesce into a duopoly.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by SkyBelow on Monday April 05, 2021 @09:09AM (#26698426)
It is a legit concern of mine. I've been asked for phone recommendations from family as well, but they only focus on the main brands with a strong preference for Apple as the status symbol and Samsung as the slightly less pricey option for people who want a phone they can do a bit more with (which is to say they see Samsung as the phone I like because it isn't locked down). Even after explaining there is more to Android than just Samsung they don't seem to care because their view seems to be based on what advertisements they watch.

I'm afraid too much critical thinking has been off loaded to corporations through advertisement. Sure, it is just a phone, but for many of these people the $1k price tag is a major part of their disposable income and I don't think enough thought is being given to the far cheaper alternatives.

Not only has it been reduced to two options, the two options have become two of the most expensive options. I don't think this was by chance.

Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by Swizec on Monday April 05, 2021 @09:54AM (#26698984)
> Even after explaining there is more to Android than just Samsung they don't seem to care because their view seems to be based on what advertisements they watch.

Fashionistas see you the same way when it comes to clothes. Car people see you this way about cars. Furniture people about furniture. Photography nuts about photo gear, knife people about kitchen knives, restaurant critics about restaurants, and the list goes on. Let’s not even get into what audiophiles think of most of our speaker and headphone choices ...

Life is too short to be an expert at everything. Too short to even care about most purchases when good enough is plenty.

Look up satisficing vs maximizing.

Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by leetcrew on Monday April 05, 2021 @02:12PM (#26702455)
that's fine, but why bother asking someone knowledgeable if you're just going to ignore their advice? an audiophile will be disappointed if you ask for a headphone recommendation and say your budget is only $50, but they will probably still suggest a good model for the price.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by Swizec on Monday April 05, 2021 @10:11PM (#26707226)
Sometimes all you need is a little validation from your friend that you made a decent decision.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by pdimitar on Monday April 05, 2021 @09:15AM (#26698506)
Most non-technical people I know opt for iPhones because they know they can use them for 5-6 years with 1-2 battery swaps (that costs 30 EUR where I live). And for display quality.

I keep hearing this adage of "iPhone as a status symbol" and I have legitimately never in my life seen it. Only ever saw people on the internet talking about it.

An anecdotal data point for you, if it's useful.

Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by nopato on Monday April 05, 2021 @09:42AM (#26698811)
Let me give you some perspective.

It might not be a status symbol in the US and Europe but in the rest of the world it definitely is. I’ve lived in the uk for a while and no one cared that was wearing an iPhone. But as soon as I moved back to my home country everyone thinks I’m rich. And they’re right to think this way as the price of iPhones in my country is completely absurd.

Everyone thinks an 800 pounds phone is expensive?

Imagine if you had to pay almost double of that. In a country that receives less than 200 hundred pounds of monthly minimum wage.

I would never buy an iPhone while living here. It makes no sense unless you really want it as a status symbol.

Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by pdimitar on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @07:43AM (#26710688)
I work remotely so to me the local average wage bears zero relevance.

I buy an iPhone for a number of reasons. I recognize it's expensive but it's usually at least a 3-year investment and to be fair, the cost per annum is basically the same for most Android flagships, only that Apple users switch devices less often.

This can likely be endlessly contested by the frugal folk but I am not here for that.

My reasons actually are highly irrelevant. I shared an anecdote about very regular non-tech people. They keep telling me the same stories after they switch from Android to iPhone and that's not accidental.

But again, cost of living in the country of residence doesn't mean much if you work remotely.

> It makes no sense unless you really want it as a status symbol.

You could have just said: "I am an Apple hater" and it would have saved us both time and keystrokes. :)

Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by jonny_eh on Monday April 05, 2021 @02:42PM (#26702861)
Which country are you talking about?
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by coryrc on Monday April 05, 2021 @11:26AM (#26700273)
I used my $80 Android phone for four years. (Blu R1 hd). You you paid more for battery swaps than my phone.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by pdimitar on Monday April 05, 2021 @11:33AM (#26700371)
And I likely used mine for much more activities than you used yours.

But if you’re convinced that your choice is superior then you do you. I’m not here to argue, only to provide info of what I did and what many others I know did as well.

Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by datavirtue on Monday April 05, 2021 @01:45PM (#26702094)
You clearly got lucky on that dice roll.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by datavirtue on Monday April 05, 2021 @01:42PM (#26702061)
One of the best phones I ever had was a $500 Sony Xperia (amazing battery life). The other best phone was a Nokia 920 (?) Windows phone (zero cognitive load). Tech superiority and user experience are not market defining factors, clearly. I think both Samsung and Apple are trainwrecks compared to their earlier offerings. This because of a lack of competition now.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by mlmonge on Monday April 05, 2021 @02:21PM (#26702585)
speaking of "Tech superiority," IMHO... I still think that the Palm OS Centro that I used so many years ago was simply the best. The Nokias of that era just didn't compete. I don't remember the cost but I really don't think it was at all expensive. I do remember that I could anything and everything with little gem. Sometimes I say I'd buy it again in a heartbeat if it had today's processing power. Ah, the good ol' days....
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by behnamoh on Monday April 05, 2021 @10:12AM (#26699185)
that seems to be the case:

- two-party government,

- two major desktop OSs (macOS and Windows),

- two main mobile OSs (android and iOS),

- two major phone manufacturers (Apple and Samsung),

- two main internet browsers (Chrome and Firefox),

- two mainstream cryptocurrencies (Bitcoin and Ethereum),

- two major home internet providers (Verizon and Comcast)

- two ...

There are exceptions of course, esp. in the retail market and fast food industry, but I'm afraid the good-ol' times choices in many areas are mostly gone.

Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by neogodless on Monday April 05, 2021 @10:19AM (#26699289)
Ha I wish your point about browsers was correct. Sorry, Safari is (a very distant) number 2.

https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share

Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by nayuki on Monday April 05, 2021 @10:47AM (#26699728)
Except for Safari's mandatory monopoly on iPhone/iPad, unfortunately.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by skrowl on Monday April 05, 2021 @01:02PM (#26701581)
That should get fixed soon(ish) when Apple is forced to allow other app stores on their devices. Real firefox / real Chrome / emulators / etc!
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by paulryanrogers on Monday April 05, 2021 @10:57AM (#26699877)
Actually only one broadband ISP choice for many households
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by tertius on Monday April 05, 2021 @10:26AM (#26699402)
Ah yes, it was so much better before...
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by deanCommie on Monday April 05, 2021 @02:17AM (#26695855)
Samsung absolutely decimated the other manufacturers in marketing - including Google.

I remember seeing GQ articles that were interviews with celebrities that was kind of a "30 questions" thing where each celebrity was asked the same set of questions.

One of them was: "iPhone or Samsung?"

It didn't matter that the answer to every single one (in that issue) was iPhone. It didn't surprise me that celebrities would be 100% iPhone users.

But as a discerning high-end android buyer gravitating between flagship Google Nexus devices, HTC, and LG, the implication that the alternative to iPhone was "Samsung" was BEWILDERING to me.

Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by arkitaip on Monday April 05, 2021 @03:07AM (#26696122)
When 6-year-olds use Samsung as a synonym for Android, you know that Samsung's marketing is crushing it. Which is a shame considering how poor their overall software quality is.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by cageface on Monday April 05, 2021 @04:11AM (#26696453)
FWIW I've had good experiences with recent Samsung devices. The OS is fast and stable and adds some useful things to stock Android. Their bundled apps aren't terrible either. I use their mail & notes apps. At this point I'd rather have a flagship Galaxy phone than a Pixel since Android doesn't bring that much in terms of new features with major releases these days.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by PicassoCTs on Monday April 05, 2021 @05:06AM (#26696796)
They should hire at least one UX-Designer and listen occasionally to it.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by benibin on Monday April 05, 2021 @03:17AM (#26696183)
I'm sorry but how a 6 years old know anything about phone brands?
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by murukesh_s on Monday April 05, 2021 @04:06AM (#26696430)
its election time in my home state in India and my 6+ year old asks me who will win the election? I was surprised at the question and the fact that she is able to articulate the political party names. At her age i didn't even know what a political party is. I then realized she sees lots of Television now ever since she moved to her grandama's house during covid.

She goes and names three top parties herself and predicts that one particular party will win. I was surprised.. Asked her why she think so and says she sees more ads of that particular party more than others.. i was beyond words.

Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by mjevans on Monday April 05, 2021 @04:45AM (#26696666)
You should teach your children, and those in your extended family, how to, and to, avoid ads.

We should all also do our part to end the political ad insanity. This can't be healthy for anyone.

Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by murukesh_s on Monday April 05, 2021 @06:58AM (#26697452)
I have stricter no screen policy at my home. But since she is staying with her grand parents now (due to reasons beyond my control) and they are used to watching TV, she ends up watching it too. And its really difficult to avoid ads, you get that in all the channels.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by scrollaway on Monday April 05, 2021 @08:39AM (#26698190)
Parent has a point. Even if it's difficult, teach her to mute and ignore them. Seriously, my parents taught me some disgust against ads, and it's one thing they did right.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by mensetmanusman on Monday April 05, 2021 @08:59AM (#26698348)
Sorry to hear.

I remember when we went to my grandmas house, and the media was talking about a ‘major crisis’ in the White House, like they do every day.

Our seven-year-old suddenly got concerned and has to be calmed down, because she is so rarely exposed to American media.

I feel bad for this generation, and I’m not surprised that almost half of our senior high school girls (at least on one sports team) are on anti-anxiety medication.

Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by OkGoDoIt on Monday April 05, 2021 @03:35AM (#26696277)
6 year olds watch a lot of TV/YouTube, and see a ton of advertising
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by tda on Monday April 05, 2021 @08:35AM (#26698155)
That really depends on the parents I would say. My kids watch about zero linear ad riddled TV and YouTube, because we don't have a TV. They do get to watch Netflix, NextTube and Disney+. And various educational programs that are streamed ad free online. That at least limits their exposure to advertising, though some shows are basically advertisements for cheap plastic toys (paw patrol, fireman sam) and we disagree if they are allowed.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by II2II on Monday April 05, 2021 @09:42AM (#26698807)
It is a demonstration of how well advertising works since they (presumably) don't have much knowledge about mobile devices or branding. Calling everything an iPhone is the telling part. If branding wasn't a thing, they would simply call it a phone.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by arkitaip on Monday April 05, 2021 @03:52AM (#26696356)
Youtube, TikTok and countless other apps. They will literally create videos asking each other to rate phone brands and what not.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by erhk on Monday April 05, 2021 @03:23AM (#26696214)
Advertising.
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Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by mensetmanusman on Monday April 05, 2021 @09:01AM (#26698370)
Not sure why this is getting down voted, I think one can articulate why giving children unfettered access to advertising content is probably bad parenting advice.

Advertising is almost always a thread of a lie, so reducing exposure to that until children are more mature is probably a good idea.

Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by pengaru on Monday April 05, 2021 @07:26PM (#26705999)
My guess is the Venn diagram of parents letting advertisers raise their children and HN users is not two disparate circles...
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by datavirtue on Monday April 05, 2021 @01:52PM (#26702187)
I think it stemmed from their dominance in quality TVs for a while. These days I see no reason to pay Samsung's rediculous TV prices and they do puy out some real garbage screens now but for a while it was Samsung or some peasant trash.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by jariel on Monday April 05, 2021 @03:14AM (#26696155)
It's not bewildering if it's literally always been true.

A few points:

Samsung is not cool. Or rather, maybe a little bit among some very middle/lower class people.

Selling mobiles is done primarily through carriers - this is not about Samsung direct advertising mostly, by and large, it's through the deals made with carriers.

Google has never taken their phone and it's manufacturing/distribution as seriously as Samsung.

Carriers may have also specifically not wanted Google to win, because it gives G too much power, they hate Apple and don't want to have to be told what to do.

Samsung has always had a huge variety of phones, a much bigger and broader approach.

They have always led with a kind of crappy, thrown-together feature, but it was enough to put some wrap a bad campaign around good enough for a bulk of the Android community.

Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by billfruit on Monday April 05, 2021 @04:10AM (#26696446)
Outside of US, carrier bundling is rarely seen, people buy phones and carrier plans often prepaid separately.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by carschno on Monday April 05, 2021 @04:23AM (#26696528)
The US is a pretty large market, plus carrier bundling is quite common in Europe too. You are usually free to choose a non-bundled phone as well, but I have no ideas what the numbers are.

Within the bundled packages, my impression is that Samsung is very dominant as well among the Android phones.

Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by billfruit on Monday April 05, 2021 @11:16AM (#26700123)
China and India are the two largest smartphone markets in the world, and I am thinking in these big markets carrier bundling isn't a thing at all.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by kiwijamo on Monday April 05, 2021 @04:23AM (#26696530)
New Zealand is outside the US and it's not unusual for people to buy their phones from their carrier alongside signing up to a plan especially if they are spending a lot of money. Phones purchased directly from the carrier are guaranteed to have the correct LTE bands which makes it easier to be sure you will get the best performance. Also carriers offer sweet interest-free deals with free stuff throw in which makes it more appealing than buying a phone outright. It's usually people buying cheaper phones that may just pair up an cheap phone from an independent store with a cheap plan often from a virtual operator.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by jowsie on Monday April 05, 2021 @08:25AM (#26698070)
It's the same in the UK as well.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by jayp1418 on Monday April 05, 2021 @03:50AM (#26696349)
Read somewhere "Good product with great marketing beats amazing product with no marketing."
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by zibzab on Monday April 05, 2021 @05:23AM (#26696898)
Galaxy S2 was a pretty bgreat phone and Samsung capitalised on that success by releasing slightly improved versions every year .

LG on the other hand was up and down. I think LG was the one that needed marketing since they always lost their fans and had to bring in new people

Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by jsight on Monday April 05, 2021 @09:25AM (#26698597)
This is so underrated as a comment, but so true. Samsung just kept at it with incremental updates to a single series and an occasional separate model if they wanted to try something new.

LG was constantly shifting markets. I had a G2 and really liked it. I would have bought other devices from them, but the things that appealed to me about the G2 disappeared in most future products.

Constant shifts in focus gained share but also lost share at the same time. They really needed a cohesive line.

Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by abdulmuhaimin on Monday April 05, 2021 @10:56AM (#26699866)
Replacable modules - gone in the next version Self-healing body- gone after 2 version Vein sensor - gone in next version

At that point, any feature LG introduce are gonna be labeled as gimmicky, because they never develop it further for their next phone

Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by carlhjerpe on Monday April 05, 2021 @11:49AM (#26700543)
That's great insight. It kind of matches with that saying "people don't like change".
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by throwaway86310 on Monday April 05, 2021 @06:46AM (#26697364)
I can't agree with this enough. LG failed to create a marketing worthy "series" like Samsung did with "galaxy" series.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by minusf on Monday April 05, 2021 @09:26AM (#26698598)
the lg g2 was the best android phone i ever had. unfortunately the series ended there for me. lg was just making it huger and huger.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by shrikant on Monday April 05, 2021 @08:04AM (#26697916)
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by Jemm on Monday April 05, 2021 @08:15AM (#26697997)
This is what I tell my family who keep saying they have fantastic ideas for products. No advertising budget means hardly anyone is going to use their Facebook clone.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by ip26 on Monday April 05, 2021 @09:41AM (#26698797)
The exception is if the products are directly & trivially comparable, such that it takes anyone all of two seconds to identify the amazing product.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by sanxiyn on Monday April 05, 2021 @02:01AM (#26695777)
There seems to be large regional variance. I live in South Korea, LG definitely advertised a lot. I recommended LG phones to a lot of people who asked me, and no one complained.

Edit: For example, people love LG's KnockON feature.

Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by kiwijamo on Monday April 05, 2021 @04:18AM (#26696499)
Here in New Zealand, I see Samsung advertising everywhere. TV, billboards, in store, digital, etc. Whereas LG has very little advertising and usually not for their mobile phones. LG is a South Korean company so I guess they advertised heaps domestically but not internationally?
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by vbezhenar on Monday April 05, 2021 @05:15AM (#26696843)
In Kazakhstan both companies advertise a lot. But people buying Xiaomi, because they are cheaper and better.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by camhart on Monday April 05, 2021 @06:20AM (#26697209)
Xiaomi's battery management (aggressively killing apps) is horrendous.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by shaicoleman on Monday April 05, 2021 @12:49PM (#26701395)
Here's a guide how to fix it:

https://dontkillmyapp.com/xiaomi

Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by camhart on Monday April 12, 2021 @02:43PM (#26783363)
I appreciate what dkma does--but the steps are still a major annoyance for customers who typically blame the app developer.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by moreati on Monday April 05, 2021 @04:59AM (#26696766)
For others wondering about KnockON

> With Knock ON you can set the phone to turn the screen on by quickly double-tapping the screen. Double-tap an empty area in the Home screen, Status Bar, or Lock screen to turn the screen off.

-- https://www.lg.com/us/support/help-library/lg-android-knock-...

Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by JCharante on Monday April 05, 2021 @05:32AM (#26696965)
Huh I thought that was a stock android thing since mi UI (xiaomi) also has it.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by Mogzol on Monday April 05, 2021 @06:09AM (#26697144)
LG was one of the first to add the feature back around 2013. Now it's more commonly known as dt2w (double-tap to wake) and is a feature on a lot of stock roms, as well as pretty much any custom rom.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by Moru on Monday April 05, 2021 @06:15AM (#26697168)
I believe it is, it's just never activated. My guess is they are saving that for a later upgrade when they can't add more cameras. I loved my LG with knock on, would still use it if it could handle today's apps...
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by dividedbyzero on Monday April 05, 2021 @08:03AM (#26697905)
I loved that feature back on the LG G2. I think I never stopped expecting phones to behave like this, and it seems even Apple agrees somewhat, the iPhone 11 Pro I now use turns its display on when tapped once.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by rnotaro on Monday April 05, 2021 @02:19AM (#26695873)
Samsungs S10+ and Google Pixel phones have a double tap to wake up too.

[1] https://www.samsung.com/sg/support/mobile-devices/how-to-qui...

[2] https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/7443425

Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by erhk on Monday April 05, 2021 @03:22AM (#26696213)
My LG G3 had it in like 2014 or whatever year I bought it.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by distances on Monday April 05, 2021 @03:45AM (#26696323)
Introduced by Nokia in Symbian but I forgot when, maybe around 2008? I have to assume Nokia patented the feature as it's super useful but was missing from all non-Nokia phones for the longest time.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by minusf on Monday April 05, 2021 @09:28AM (#26698638)
g2 was the first to have it, because the buttons migrated to the back and there had to be a way to wake it while lying on the table
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by postingawayonhn on Monday April 05, 2021 @03:35AM (#26696279)
I think for Samsung the key was to build a loyal customer base by copying the iPhone at a lower price point. Thier designs have now departed significantly from those of Apple but the core customers have stuck around.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by ineedasername on Monday April 05, 2021 @11:11AM (#26700055)
Except Samsung's prices now rival the iPhone. The Samsung S21+ without a trade in is $1199. The iPhone 12 Pro Max is actually $100 cheaper at $1099.

Flagship prices seem completely ridiculous these days for minor improvements over the previous year's models or even their second-tier offerings. But consumers put such a premium on having the newest shiniest thing that the previous year's model can frequently be had for less than half the price.

Looking at unlocked iPhone retail prices for the iPhone 4 in 2011, flagship pricing has increased 3-4x the inflation rate for the same period of time.

Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by patentatt on Monday April 05, 2021 @08:50AM (#26698263)
You may be on to something here. The comparison isn’t in 2020, but in 2010-ish. I’d say the distinction then was much more pronounced, and Samsung gained a lot of good will in that era.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by waheoo on Monday April 05, 2021 @04:21AM (#26696516)
I think it's simply that people that buy LG don't buy a lot of phones. Samsung so shit you need to buy the new model to get rid of the annoyances of the last. S3 and note were really their only winners. LG hits it out of the park at every price point almost every generation.

Same goes for HTC. Buy once, cry once, hodl that shit for half a decade on the short side.

Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by eptcyka on Monday April 05, 2021 @04:53AM (#26696727)
Is that feasible when the device is only supported for 3 years max? This is a serious question. Just bought a new pixel 5, because the pixel 3 I had bought refurbished 2 years ago will lose support in October. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the pixel 3, it's literally the same phone with slightly older innards and no wide angle camera.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by mcny on Monday April 05, 2021 @05:07AM (#26696802)
My guess is it is a self fulfilling prophecy. If a lot of people have older devices, application developers have to support the older API levels.

For example, a store called Safeway decided to cut out an older version of Android. However, they reversed less than a month later.

Speaking of marketing, I think LG does market quite a bit inside the Republic of Korea. I saw a show called oh my ghost and everyone had an LG phone in the show.

Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by eptcyka on Monday April 05, 2021 @07:39AM (#26697735)
I really don't care about apps, I've barely ever ran into app compatibility issues on older devices. What I care about is security updates.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by kijin on Monday April 05, 2021 @08:53AM (#26698285)
Nobody I know who isn't seriously into tech even realizes that phones need security updates.

The problem is compounded by the fact that every manufacturer has their own schedule for security updates. Just because Android got a widely publicized security patch doesn't mean that their phones will get it any time soon. By the time they do, nobody remembers what it's for.

Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by ineedasername on Monday April 05, 2021 @11:34AM (#26700378)
I'm not sure there's any phone provider that has security updates available the same day that Google releases them, or very quickly at all. I remember the last Samsung phone I had, S7 edge, I went months without updates. Unfortunately, if security is a top priority, your best choice at 1st party phones like Google's Pixel or the iPhone.

I used to use Xiaomi's flagship and it seemed to have fairly regular updates, but every time I installed one it would replace all of my preferences and default to using their own replacements apps instead of stock Android apps that I preferred. I finally had to get rid of it way before the end of its useful lifespan because there there seemed to be a whole lot of issues surrounding its customization of Android. The deal breaker was after an update when I stopped receiving text messages reliably. Sometimes they'd come through immediately, sometimes a few minutes late, and a few days a week they wouldn't come in at all until either 1) I rebooted 2) I lost and then regained cell signal 3) I airplane mode on then off.

I tried all sorts of work arounds, suggested fixes from browsing forums, etc., nothing worked. I liked the phone, but it just got too stressful for work: My boss is respectful of normal business hours, but during the day still relies heavily on text messaging for requests, urgent issues, etc.

I was pissed off at having to put out money for a new phone so early, so I went with the budget Pixel 4a, and honestly I don't see much of a performance hit at all, even though it's about 25% worse on CPU specs. And even though the camera specs are much lower, it takes much better photos. At this point, I'm a convert to 2nd tier Pixel phones.

Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by eptcyka on Monday April 05, 2021 @01:51PM (#26702171)
I am sure you'll end up retiring your pixel 4a far sooner than it will become unusable due to wear and tear due to Google's ridiculously short support term :/

I believe my next phone will be a glorious fruit device, probably a second hand one.

Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by ineedasername on Monday April 05, 2021 @08:19PM (#26706444)
It's good for a minimum of 3 years of updates and tech support, or 18 months after it is last sold by Google, whichever is longer. That's plenty for me, I usually flip my old phone on eBay and use that towards a new one ever 1-2 years.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by eptcyka on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @06:28AM (#26710208)
It may be plenty for you, sure. But you're flipping the phones. I take it there's a market for people who want phones without security updates. That's certainly not me though. I find it despicable that the phone I bought almost 2 years ago (Pixel 3) will not receive any updates after October, and as such, I will no longer use it. But there's literally nothing wrong with the phone, cosmetically it's in near perfect condition, all the hardware works, and it's still plenty fast. As it stands, to get the max 3 years of support, you literally have to buy the phone on day 1. This is pathetic. My next phone will be an iPhone.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by kijin on Monday April 05, 2021 @09:02AM (#26698374)
Even in Korea, everyone knows what the latest Samsung phones are, but few people keep track of LG's product cycle.

Here, LG is best known for household appliances and the Gram line of ultralight laptops. It's a running joke that even Samsung stores use LG air conditioners. Samsung appliances are for people who can't afford LG. When it comes to phones, though, it's the other way around just like in the rest of the world.

Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by richardfey on Monday April 05, 2021 @05:41AM (#26697019)
> I saw a show called oh my ghost and everyone had an LG phone in the show.

That's product placement?

Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by elliekelly on Monday April 05, 2021 @08:47AM (#26698239)
If that’s how LG decided to spend their phone marketing budget then someone deserves to be fired.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by detaro on Monday April 05, 2021 @09:59AM (#26699053)
Few people care about it, especially since the devices don't make noise about but just stop getting updates at some point. Apps tend to be conservative about axing support for old versions too, so little pressure from there.

(And given how little many people actually install new apps etc, I wonder how large the attack surface really is - but I have no data on that)

Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by kipchak on Monday April 05, 2021 @10:07AM (#26699127)
Samsung was also much more aggressive regarding incentives/commission for salespeople. At a Verizon store an employee might make $50-100 on selling a Samsung flagship vs $5 for an iPhone.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by tootie on Monday April 05, 2021 @01:41PM (#26702036)
I'm pretty amazed Samsung can pull this off. Anyone who is the least bit brand conscious is buying Apple everything. Android's big appeal to me is power features and value and Samsung is the worst on those facets. I've had a few LGs and they were really nice.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by ErikVandeWater on Monday April 05, 2021 @11:26AM (#26700285)
This doesn't answer OP's question. Tech reviewers have extended access to phones to see if they live up to the hype.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by 2muchcoffeeman on Monday April 05, 2021 @04:56AM (#26696749)
What does matter I believe is marketing.

"It's just marketing" is an age old refrain from tech people. As a group, we still haven't figured out that marketing works and matters. Nor have we figured out the kinds of features that lead successful products.

Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by Ensorceled on Monday April 05, 2021 @04:59AM (#26696765)
Oh, we’ve figured it out, we just don’t like it.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by avereveard on Monday April 05, 2021 @04:27AM (#26696555)
there's a lot of tradeoff in samsung phones, from thermal envelop to installed crapware, but their success is not just marketing, they usually come with top of their price class camera, and that is something a lot of people care about.

especially mid range a lot of phone produces washed, sad mockery of pictures unless you're under the sunniest day conditions, and even then skin and faces get garbled by the ai-thingy lot of them sports. this does matter to a lot of consumers.

Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by carlmr on Monday April 05, 2021 @04:35AM (#26696606)
I mean honestly looking at the Linux or alternative phone offerings, I'd love to jump on it, but the cameras are ages behind. And my phone has become my main camera.
Re:LG is getting out of the mobile phone business by avereveard on Monday April 05, 2021 @09:54AM (#26698983)
all the downvotes only show how much detached from reality the hn cohort has become.