To be blunt, it sounds like you’ve been tossed into a blender, and I can’t think of anyone in my life who could have gone through all of what you just described and not feel exhausted so please keep that in mind. It sounds like a lot.
I don’t have any advice to give except, if you are able, find and speak to a professional therapist. I thought I was above that sort of thing until my own mental health got so bad it was basically one of my only options.
One thing I wish someone had told me in my mental health journey - If you don’t connect with the first (or second, or third) therapist you meet with, fire them and look for a new one. You won’t offend the first (or second, or third) therapist because they have the same goal you do, which is to get you into a better place. It took me three tries to make the right connection with someone I spent about six months working with and it has made a big improvement in my well being.
Sending positive vibes!
100% this. I was thankful when someone gave me this advice and finally found a therapist that's been such a huge help in dealing with depression. If you (swat535, or anyone) need someone to talk to please hit me up, my email is in my profile.
The OP was open and honest rather than vulnerable. If we want equality and open dialogue, we have to be careful to make our language inclusive. 'Vulnerable' is associated with being weak for some people and isn't an inclusive word.
I don't consider myself vulnerable when I share something close to my heart. I would never share anything in a space where being 'vulnerable' was encouraged.
Open and honest.. not vulerable.
Because in this world; very often, making yourself emotionally vulnerable DOES expose one to some pretty horrible abuse, if you do it in the wrong setting. And it often ends up making the problem worse, prolonging or even preventing recovery.
We'd really like to live in a world where people are not driven to attack each other when they are down. But unfortunately, that's not the world we live in, and I think people need to be pretty vigilant when they're going through something like this and looking for help. TBH I find that anonymous internet forums are very useful places for this sort of thing, (because they're free, and convenient) - but on the other hand, there are some really bad predators out there who are constantly on the lookout for a gazelle to eat.
So yes, let's drop the "vulnerability" word.
Well, there is a bright side to it. If you would have married and it was about to break soon after, you would have the joy of a legal divorce now on top of it.
Instead you are free to find someone new. Possibly better fitting. The world is full of women and other awesome people, you can still connect with. A bit harder now, true, but nevertheless possible, once you manage to get out of that hole. So if you don't manage on your own, maybe stop wasting your time mindless browsing and seek professional help or find people, online or offline, to help you throuhg.
I'll piggy-back off this to remind people that when someone shares something, they are not necessarily asking for your advice. I know HN is a crowd of problem solvers, but it's OK (preferable!) to simply respond with empathy. If it's not clear, consider asking the person if they'd like your advice before immediately jumping in to try to fix it for them.
When a man invest in love it is very hard for them to just walk away from it, to the extent many of them hold on to it, when the reality is it is long gone.
I will tell you some of the best advice I got when I was in that situation and all of them seemed like they sucked at the time.
The following is what my friends did for me when my ex-wife decided to leave:
My friend John told me, you don't quit a job until you have another job that provides you income. His point was she has moved on, you are the only one stuck here.
My friend Tim at a club, Dude that girl is all over you and you look like a dead fish, you are letting her (the ex) memory make you a shitty date for this girl, who by the way looks much better than she ever did. So you, who have the power over this date is letting her in on your date and ruining it, oh and by the way isn't se banging another guy. He then went on to explain to me that her date was probably doing just fine.
My buddy Joe-Joe who would invite 10 or so girls over for a pool party at our house, every weekend. Who was nice enough to never try and push me, he just knew providing a fun environment, would bring me out of my shell sooner.
But it was finally my buddy Andy that snapped me out of it, by basically showing me, and giving me a tough love talk about the fact that she had moved on.
I wasted months moping and whining over a person that has moved on. In most of these cases, she has moved on, all of these guys seemed like jerks at the time, but they were my real friends, the one really working to free me from the chains that only I was in. This gentlemans best bet is to move on as fast as possible. She is not coming back and the funny part is the only way that she will try to come back is if he moves on.
Alternative is digging into self loathing of how he should have proposed earlier to make it work, etc.
Connect with real mental health people. Not distant randos via text that doesn’t really help biological processes work themselves out.
Everyone has issues, not just from covid.
Someone is always losing a family member or separating.
You may not know it and make all manner of comments.
What Americans need to do really is get over the obvious failures of their culture and redirect their agency to fixing it concretely.
I look forward to screen addicts doing the opposite.
Please, I beg of all of you, do not forget what kindness and compassion can do for all of us, and that no matter where we are now, life and success is fragile and can be taken in an instant. Are we all anti-social corporate robots on here? So much so that the usual 'all business' crowd is now attempting to convert any 'human and not business' threads back into the corporate ethos? Why can't we just say something nice or leave and go back to toxifying about the latest Twitter gaff or apple device. As much as you can say that this forum is about silicon dreams, I can say this forum is equally about the human minds that have them. This forum and more its tone is what we make it, and the recent anti social push worries me and threatens to push any actual compassion away.
I was fortunate to be well off financially after 5 months to walk away from the consulting job. My wife didn't see it because I hid it from her. I reached a braking point when I walked way from the consulting & was well supported by the engagement manager. I took two months off, I started seeing a counselor (virtually, thanks COVID-19), and I started on Prozac. I'm not "done" yet, but I'm an order of magnitude closer to who I was before all this happened. I've started to gain weight back. Suicide no longer holds its appeal. I can consider the idea that there might be a world after the year 2020, and that I should be a part of it.
Sorry - I know this is rambling. Let me pull back to my point: getting help is the only thing that would help. If you could change yourself, by yourself, you would have by now. It takes the push of someone else's perspective to move you, because you simply can't move yourself. Your best bet is a professional - you have your own bias and trust issues with friends & family, no matter how much they mean to you. Hang in there. No matter how bad life gets, don't let anyone, let alone you, tell you that you don't deserve to be a part of it.
I only asked because I was curious. Please don't take it was me trying to invalidate you.
I also made it a point to stop browsing Reddit at the first comment that is either posted by a troll or is off topic in a bad way.
Even if you want to watch funny videos someone will manage to inject there something political that will turn into something that can ruin your peace of mind.
It's a sad state but I feel that heavy filters are essentially required for healthy social media/internet consumption nowadays. The amount of FUD is out of control, and directly responsible for a ton of social unrest and depression in many people.
I was getting super depressed lately and cut, as a result of that, almost all news, Reddit and Twitter out of my life.
The situation is just to crazy to deal with it every day.
This summer was the third very dry summer in germany. A dryness i haven't seen before.
A dryness which hurt the trees outside of my window as they did not get enough water, which i also have not seen.
But don't get me wrong. Knowing whats going on is stressful, reading irrelevant drama and not reading about people who are changing and trying to change the world is frustrating.
Instead of reading about new and less co2 producing stuff, i read about an idiot trump who plays kindergarden tantrum on the highest political level. The level which should give a direction and guidance.
And yes i'm not from the USA but if 'not even' the USA can do it, i can't expect a lot more countries not to do it.
At least my country is reasonable boring and smart (yes germany go germany :P)
(tildes.net is pretty wholesome)
My girlfriend of 5 years broke up with me when I was considering proposing. It totally knocked me off the rails for some time. Suddenly all my ideas for what the future held turned to dust. I can't imagine how much more of a gut punch it must be after 13 years, especially in our current world.
It's hard to suddenly have to try and define yourself, your life and your future without including that other person. It takes time, and effort, and a certain amount of deliberate action. Be kind to yourself, and take your time.
Covid makes all this so much harder. One of the things that helped me was getting involved with a local theatre company (doing the tech side of things). Just being with other people really helped, and doing something new was invigorating. I'm guessing that sort of thing isn't an option right now, but perhaps consider something like that next year. In the meantime, anything you can do, join or take part in that can give you a bit of purpose and structure to life outside of work will help. But I know all that is easier said than done right now.
If you need someone to unload on let me know. I didn't always have that and it sucked.
The only other thing I'll say is watch out for the booze and food. I feel lucky to have not fallen into alcoholism, but looking back I was closer than I realised at the time. It always gives me the chills thinking about how things nights have turned out.
Actually, I kept on jogging even after I got the job later, I don't know why but that does make you feel a bit better about life.
It must have taken quite some courage to speak up, but that's a very good, positive step. It sounds like you may want to seek help, as you've identified you may be depressed.
I really encourage you to take that step to speak to someone, and seek some assistance.
I know you said you have no one to rely on support, depression can make you feel very alone and isolated. Try to speak to friends or family. I know it can be hard. Give it a try, you may be surprised.
Also remember, there are organisations out there that can help. I don't know where you are geographically, but I strongly suggest, if you are able to, to go to your local GP if you have one, and tell them how you are feeling. Explore your options for what works best for you.
If you don't have a GP, see if your workplace has an EAP program that you can call anonymously.
If they don't, do some research locally and have a look at support groups dealing with depression. (I'm based in the UK and can recommend some organisations, and if you need some assistance, I'm happy to explore some options for where you are; I'm sure lots of people on here could help, too.)
You are not alone, and people will be happy to help, and listen. Take that step.
You mentioned politics and election stress. Have you considered turning off the news, and disconnecting from Reddit etc.?
I'd also ask, do you do any exercise? Perhaps try going for a walk in a local park regularly, try doing jogging if possible? Try find an activity that suits you, physical exercise is a very good way of alleviating stress and depression. I know it's hard and daunting, just try some small steps at first.
You've taken a good step sharing. Take another, and another. Good luck. If I can help at all, let me know.
Everybody hurts from time to time, hardships are part of life.
In situations like this it's important to focus on things you can control instead of being sad about things you can't control.
You might consider that now you life is again a blank canvas, and you can rebuild it. Everything's in discussion again, you're not encumbered by a relationship, the possibilities are endless!
Your destiny looked like set in stone, and now it's yours again for designing and implementing :)
Good luck!
Still, there was this time when I had nothing but a bicycle with four panniers of things for several months, wasn't sure where I'd sleep next, had to withstand cold and rain, and it was easily the singular best experience of my life. I'm not in a situation to repeat that now. Also I fear I wouldn't have the right mindset to repeat that - I've become lazy and complacent.
When you're with somebody, especially for so long and on the road to marriage, they almost become your purpose in life. Losing someone like that means you also lose your sense of purpose, so everything else feels like you're just aimlessly passing time as you described.
The important thing is to not let it continue to spiral down. Force yourself to stay away from the mindless browsing. Start doing things to stimulate yourself more and work towards something. For me, it was running. I hated running. I still hate running. But it gives you something to work towards, and you'll begin looking for other things to work on too. It's difficult at first, and it will initially seem like just a distraction, but if you stick to it you'll realise you still have a journey to go on. It doesn't just stop here, so don't let it. It's hard to believe it now, but it will get better.
I know I'm just some random bloke on the internet, but if you do want someone to talk to, shoot me an email. I'm not a professional, but realise that you're not alone, and if it helps you reconnect to the world in some way then I'm happy to chat. And that goes for anyone. We'll all make it out stronger on the other side.
This is something I'll never understand. How can someone be with another person for so long and be able to end up things in such drastic manner (assuming there wasn't any toxicity in the relationship)? I mean, if you hadn't any idea that this could happen then did your partner never try to fix whatever problem you had before taking that decision?
The upside of such events, which has been mentioned by others already, is that you are now free to find the right person for you. Breakups, while sometimes being pretty emotional, are almost always for the better.
That's a big assumption. Maybe it's me, but when I look around, I see a lot of hidden tensions in people who've been together for a long time. In most cases, I'd say it borders toxicity. Relationships are tough.
IMO what predicts that people stay together is that they're capable of navigating it, it doesn't even matter if the navigation is unhealthy (i.e. like some of my family members, they'll stay together until death, but there are some painful sacrifices both parties are making).
Like it could be that my wife wants to be nice to me and buys something specific and i just say 'ah you shouldn't buy that, it produces so much garbage (lots of wrapping)' and she answers 'yeah i know but i thought you like it so i bought it for you'.
Might not be the perfect example but whenever something similar happens, it feels to me that i took a little bit of 'fun' and 'nice gesture' out of our relationship by saying this kind of things.
On the other hand, if i would never say something (and of course vice versa) we would be stuck but we would not have those small disappointments in our relationship.
But i regret those things because it is much nicer to see your significant other being happy about making you happy.
It is so much easier not to offend someone when you just follow your own set of rules for yourself. Like not telling someone, who just 'drooped' garbage that they just 'drooped' garbage. It is 100 times harder when it is your partner.
Now we don't have any secrets between each other anymore. But that was a long long way and not easy.
Now imagine a Relationship which wouldn't do that. You can easily start living next to each other over a longer period of time and then suddenly you realize that you crossed that border.
My relationship is a giving and taking on both sides.
We talked through a lot of things and still do even now after nearly 10 years.
A real relationship is not a one person show.
Also try to remember that the pandemic and the political rollercoaster are a shared burden. You are not alone in those.
It's easy to get into a cycle where negative habits perpetuate themselves. Try to reorient your daily habits by setting one small goal a day and achieving it. This creates a positive feedback loop and reinforces the idea that you are in control and that you have agency and can effect change.
Lastly I would recommend daily exercise of some sort if you are not doing so already. Anything that provides a bit of an endorphin blast can help break a negative thought cycle. Even if just for a few minutes to start.
Small building blocks like these will reintroduce positive and optimistic thoughts back into your mind.
This sounds like my routine...
What you’ve described is indeed extremely stressful and emotionally exhausting. It sounds like an expected response! You could consider this the valley before climbing back up to not feeling this way.
Time helps - but it may take more than that. I would confide in friends if you have them, and consider talking with a professional...
That said,the good thing of hitting rock botton is that theres no way, but up. 3 Years ago I was being underpaid, divorced a 6 years marriege, and was sunk in debit.
I was really depresed,for the first time of my life I cried waching a movie, and was pretty sure I was in funcional side of alcholism.
That said, I keepd it going by solving one problem at time. First, I organized all debites of my company, and made a rigid paying plan.
Then I made a deal with my dad, that I would stay at his home for 1 year, while I paid some of the debt my ex wife left me.
After that I put my company on hold for 1 and a half year, so I would not generate new taxes while paying the old ones.
I found a shit soul sucking job, but with good payment, in the capital. For almost 2 years I would spend 4 to 5 hours in traffic, just to get to this job. But small things helped me going foward.
I got close to my friends (before the pandemic). I checked out lots of books from my reading list, while I was in the bus, or train, going and back to work.
I basically sold or donated most of my possessions, basically reduced my life to small things that really mattered.
The thing is, don't try to fix everything wrong at the same time. Focus on small problems that you can solve, and after a while, even the big problems will appear to be less intimidating.
Now, finally after 3 sucking years, I reoppened my company, I paid all my debts. I still got to deal with shit from my ex from time to time, but goddamm I love being free now.
Well at least for a while. Now my ex appeared telling me shes pregnant, but shes pretty sure I'm not the father, but she's not 100% sure... well I will deal with that when the time came.
I had a similar cataclysm in 2007, let me share one sliver of advice: what you're experiencing is grief, rather than depression.
They feel similar but they come from different places.
That's it; any attempt to try and tell you how to feel about it or what to do would be out of place. Good luck.
Sorry to hear about your gf tho
No disrespect, but good thing you’re not marrying her.
I lost my job in January. From January - March I started looking for a job and then COVID hits at the height of my search, now suddenly no one is hiring and all the businesses are slowing down.
My girlfriend of 13 years left me the day after my birthday in June before I had a chance to propose to her, I had to return the ring, she had no idea and I never told her about it.
I have been hardly able to keep it together from the summer until now. I have no one to rely on for support.
Meanwhile all the politics and election stress has had an impact on everyone including me.
I managed to find a job but I'm pretty sure I'm suffering from depression. I spend most of my time mindlessly browsing HN or Reddit, eating whatever I find and sleeping late.
It has been an extremely stressful and emotionally exhausting time.