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Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by dessant on Saturday June 06, 2020 @11:41AM (#23439913)
I'm just glad they identified the source of the hum, many people are impacted for years by unexplainable sounds, and it is maddening.

It took me and my neighbours a month to find the source of a hum that was resonating with our windows. It was torture, with midnight walks and lurking around potential sources, mapping nearby industrial sites, and questioning our sanity, while our windows were vibrating without a stop. We were very lucky to track it down to a badly installed air conditioning vent 200 m away.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hum

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by dustym on Saturday June 06, 2020 @12:02PM (#23440085)
Two unrelated anecdotes:

1. A few years ago I spent some time in Falmouth, MA and there was an ongoing battle over newly installed wind turbines. The humming sound was getting to people, including to the point where they were getting headaches. Some people heard it and others didn't. The locals were going to war with the initiative. This article reminded me of that and I checked in on the ordeal. Looks like they shuttered the project and have started dismantling the turbines. It seems like a total failure: https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-green-new-deal-in-profile-115...

2. I was on a solo canoe trip in a remote part of Maine a couple of weekends ago and I kept hearing the sound of a motor start up and then die down. I heard it multiple times along a 25 or so mile stretch of water with the only other sounds being birds, moose rumbling in the woods, and beavers slapping the water with their tails. I chalked the sound up to some wind turbines I had seen on my drive up there and felt justifiably annoyed at the encroachment of the industrial world into my backwoods trip. I did some research when I got home and it turned out that I was hearing ruffed grouse "drumming" to mark their territory. In retrospect, it's an amazing sound: https://youtu.be/q0obByQW23k?t=21

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by joebergeron on Saturday June 06, 2020 @05:20PM (#23442318)
1. Very funny to be reading this. I grew up in Falmouth, and lived there until 2014 when I graduated highschool. I obviously wasn't incredibly attuned to this issue, but as I recall, the only people opposed to the installation of the turbines were a very small, very vocal, and very, very, wealthy minority of people who owned mind-bogglingly expensive beach houses and lived there two months out of the year. I'm fairly certain a lot of the more reasonable-sounding complaints they threw at the project were simply cover-up for their real gripe, that the turbines ruined their view over the bay. I recall an unintentionally hilarious piece of mockup art that was drafted up, comparing the horizon over the water with and without turbines, side by side. They were barely distinguishable blips. It was an interesting phenomenon. Woods Hole, a tiny community on what is essentially a peninsula near Falmouth, is both a center for oceanographic science (WHOI, USGS -- disclaimer, I've worked at both), and a summer home for the insanely rich. The scientific community was largely in support of the turbines, but all anyone ever heard about was how the turbines would be a huge disaster. As I recall, many of the noise complaints ended up being somewhat unfounded.
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by dustym on Saturday June 06, 2020 @08:16PM (#23443530)
I have no opinion on anything, FWIW because I actually spent most of my time in Woods Hole. My recollection of all this is from the local paper.

EDIT:

Cliche as it as, the fish bites at Landfall are pretty good! And it was always fun to swing by the aquarium after hours and listen to the seals bumping around in their pool. It's a beautiful place to visit if you ever get a chance.

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by 1propionyl on Saturday June 06, 2020 @06:01PM (#23442624)
In truth, the real reason for the disparity in perception is... supernatural in origin.

You see... it's the Curse of Chappaquidick. The sound isn't just the breeze passing through turbines. It's the wailing of the immortal soul of Mary Jo Kopechne, her soul mercifully freed from the watery depths but bound to the wind.

Her soul, unable to find rest so long as the negligent and wealthy haunt her resting place, now eternally floats upon the wind... from Chappaquidick into the Vineyard Sound... across Penzance Point... into the Bay, and back out to sea.

But her spirit is not unkind or unfair. She has no discontent for teachers, scientists, artists, or sailors. They cannot hear her. They say... that only the truly wealthy can hear her cries.

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by anonu on Saturday June 06, 2020 @09:31PM (#23443956)
One of the stranger things I've read on HN.
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by derivagral on Saturday June 06, 2020 @11:47PM (#23444609)
If someone's grown up in the (eastern part?) of the state, the not-very-veiled subtext is quite entertaining with the typical HN cynical bit flipped on.
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by dustym on Sunday June 07, 2020 @12:53AM (#23444855)
I agree. This is very weird but also a very subtle and good comment.
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by chillingeffect on Sunday June 07, 2020 @11:43AM (#23448156)
Cape-affiliated person here. Currently dealing with multiple issues. There is a powerful coterie of real estate agents, lawyers and regional government members here. The environment is invoked like a playing card to create battles of financial starvation and just as easily overlooked when it would interfere with players' plans. One must be very aware of neighbors' affiliations. It's all sport for the 1%, but families who inherited their parents' properties struggle to hang on to them.
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by rasz on Saturday June 06, 2020 @01:37PM (#23440867)
1 Modern CFD techniques enable almost silent blades. If a $10 computer fan can have special dimples/channels why cant wind turbines

https://www.quietpc.com/nf-a12x25-5v

https://cougargaming.com/us/products/cooling/cfd_red_led_fan...

https://aerocool.io/us/product/silent-master-blue-20cm/

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by close04 on Saturday June 06, 2020 @04:00PM (#23441835)
Well... size matters. The tip of a wind turbine blade moves much faster (~25m/s, up to 80m/s in the biggest ones) than the tip of a silent computer fan (~5-6m/s, up to ~10m/s in the faster ones). You can make the blades more silent but there's a limit to what you can do when your blades move that fast and are up to 75m long. And any solution that reduces efficiency is probably a no go for manufacturers and operators.

From your links you can see that a 140mm computer fan at 1000RPM is noisier than a 120mm fan at 1200RPM. Even if the motor is quieter at the lower RPM, increasing the blade size is more than able to compensate and make it overall noisier, even with dimples and owl-wing tricks.

And it's not only the decibels that are the issue necessarily but also the frequencies which can propagate quite far and by all accounts are pretty disturbing. That low frequency hum that the blades produce by simply displacing air while they move is not a problem with a computer fan's tiny blades. And turbines come in farms.

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by jungletime on Saturday June 06, 2020 @04:02PM (#23441846)
Experiment! How Does An Owl Fly So Silently?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_FEaFgJyfA

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by metalliqaz on Sunday June 07, 2020 @09:29AM (#23447181)
Fans are not turbines. You understand that, right?
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by adtechperson on Saturday June 06, 2020 @01:54PM (#23440983)
That ruffed grouse video is great but does not really do justice to how startling that sound can be. Imagine walking through the woods, no one around, and all of a sudden it sounds like a lawn mower starting up very close to you. It is unbelievably startling, even if you know what it is.
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by alias_neo on Saturday June 06, 2020 @02:07PM (#23441104)
As a horror film fan, I was thinking combustion powered chainsaw.
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by emmelaich on Saturday June 06, 2020 @02:55PM (#23441462)
The lyrebird can imitate a chainsaw -- among many other things. This is from the BBC's Life on Earth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjE0Kdfos4Y

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by emmelaich on Saturday June 06, 2020 @06:16PM (#23442745)
Note that there is a bit of subterfuge in this -- some or all of the lyrebirds mimicking were in captivity and would have heard these unnatural sounds much more than the typical wild bird.

https://theconversation.com/lyrebirds-mimicking-chainsaws-fa...

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by sah2ed on Saturday June 06, 2020 @03:26PM (#23441625)
That’s amazing, thanks for the share! I’m one of today’s lucky 10,000.
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by emmelaich on Saturday June 06, 2020 @06:13PM (#23442717)
Excellent! I thought everyone had seen this, indeed.

Don't fall for the parody though ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOFy8QkNWWs

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by twic on Saturday June 06, 2020 @06:20PM (#23442787)
Nor this apparent imitation of the clearly inimitable Big Shaq:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzT_TtrVcRk

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by alias_neo on Saturday June 06, 2020 @04:43PM (#23442073)
Wow thanks. The camera shutter and car alarm were something but that chain saw sound is incredible.
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by mprovost on Saturday June 06, 2020 @01:28PM (#23440799)
Just across Buzzards Bay from Falmouth was the original Marconi transmitting station for transatlantic communication to a receiver in Norway. My great-grandfather helped build it in 1914! At the time it was the most powerful transmitter in the world at 300 kW. There were 14 440-foot towers in a grid, and it was so powerful that apparently anywhere in town you would get zapped while hanging out the laundry on a clothesline, and you couldn't get a TV signal in town until the towers stopped operating. To avoid interference the receiver had to be located 40 miles away in Chatham.
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by dustym on Saturday June 06, 2020 @01:54PM (#23440978)
Very interesting. Maine also has a significant transmitter array in Cutler with 30 or so antennas around 900 ft tall apiece. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VLF_Transmitter_Cutler

I wonder what it's like to try to pull a signal up there.

Your comment brings up memories of Lighthouse Beach in Chatham, which has a ton of warnings about Great White Sharks due to the prevalence of seals in the waters. Beautiful place. If the sharks don't get you the radio frequencies will I guess.

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by jimmyswimmy on Saturday June 06, 2020 @05:21PM (#23442326)
Picking up TV and other RF signals near there should not be a problem. Modern transmitters are much different than in Marconi's time. Then they used a spark gap to generate RF, which have a DC to daylight kind of output that GP described. Much like a bad ground on a car ignition system can make a lot of RF noise that really gets around, a spark gap transmitter puts out a signal EVERYWHERE. Which is why it affected so much.

Modern transmitters are tuned and filtered so they can coexist with everything else.

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by mprovost on Saturday June 06, 2020 @02:27PM (#23441256)
Just further up the coast is Marconi Beach in the Cape Cod National Seashore - same sharks.
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by dylan604 on Saturday June 06, 2020 @12:21PM (#23440248)
2) It's amazing how perspective changes with more information. It is very odd how much that sounds just like a mower having difficulty starting, and is exactly the conclusion I would have jumped to it being. Glad you were able to get a better answer.
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by dustym on Saturday June 06, 2020 @01:25PM (#23440766)
Yeah, I thought it was a generator or mower at first. It's just quiet enough that I mistook it for a much louder sound that had grown faint due to my distance from the source.
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by chubot on Saturday June 06, 2020 @02:39PM (#23441353)
Are the birds imitating sounds they heard in the forest?

Mimicry is a powerful thing

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by dylan604 on Saturday June 06, 2020 @03:17PM (#23441570)
I went deeper down the rabbit hole, and it is their mating call / territorial signal. The drumming sound is actually created from a vacuum effect caused by the particular movement of their wings. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vERkh23mp64
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by tejtm on Saturday June 06, 2020 @05:56PM (#23442581)
It's a mating call that predates combustion engines most likely by millennia(s)
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by dylan604 on Saturday June 06, 2020 @07:12PM (#23443181)
I wonder how long Poly has wanted a cracker
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by tejtm on Saturday June 06, 2020 @08:43PM (#23443670)
Two billion years give or take
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by blackguardx on Saturday June 06, 2020 @12:25PM (#23440278)
I think the complaints about Falmouth wind turbine noise are eerily similar to complaints that wifi gives people headaches. I don’t think they are founded in reality.
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by brendoelfrendo on Saturday June 06, 2020 @02:02PM (#23441049)
My parents lived up that way, and the amount of NIMBY-ism regarding offshore turbines is staggering. I suspect you may be right, and people just latched onto whatever claim got the turbines shut down.
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by Drdrdrq on Saturday June 06, 2020 @03:26PM (#23441623)
It is also possible that they generate the sound of the same frequency, but coming from multiple sources it can compound in some areas to be louder than elsewhere - and those areas could change with the direction of the wind.

This is purely speculation from my side of course, as I've never been there.

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by DagAgren on Sunday June 07, 2020 @06:15AM (#23446218)
No, it's a pretty safe bet that any of these complaints about wind turbines is just NIMBYism. It happens every single time.
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by mandelbrotwurst on Saturday June 06, 2020 @09:54PM (#23444082)
How are those similar? What about this story leads you believe that these people are claiming to be hearing frequencies outside of those known by science to be audible to humans?
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by gwright on Saturday June 06, 2020 @04:45PM (#23442081)
So funny to hear your story about your canoe trip. When I hiked the AT in 2002, I spent the first several days having the same experience you had. I thought I was hearing things, then I thought I was much closer to civilization that I expected and hearing lawn mowers, finally talked to other hikers and got the story.

I found my trail journal entry about this: https://www.trailjournals.com/journal/entry/14113

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by heelix on Saturday June 06, 2020 @07:15PM (#23443195)
Same think was driving me nuts in the BWCA, camping in areas where there should not be any engines. Came back all salty that someone must have a gas powered well or something. Outfitter said I should find a recording of a horny grouse... and I'll be damned, that was it beating its wings. Last trip over Memorial weekend we had one nearby, and it brought nothing but smiles.
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by greggman3 on Sunday June 07, 2020 @01:38AM (#23445046)
So how has this affected your life since? Did you stop assuming things more? Do you like the sound of lawn mowers because they sound like a natural sound?
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by heelix on Monday June 08, 2020 @12:27AM (#23453556)
Not a huge change - a smile rather than a tut when I hear the distinctive sound. The BWCA is a protected area where they really try to keep the water clean. Folks have cabins near the area (heck, some day I'd like a cabin up there) and I was sure someone had a well pump or something that was spinning up sporadically. Changed my perceptions of the noise - rather than assuming I'd failed to get far enough into the wilderness, I came to realize I'm in the thick of it.

Headed back up there in a couple days. Hope to hear the grouse pounding their wings, the moose walking through the water, and a wolf howling away.

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by rewtraw on Saturday June 06, 2020 @06:17PM (#23442757)
When I thru hiked the Appalachian Trail I nearly went mad trying to identify that “drumming” sound. It was so deep that it felt like it was coming from inside my body, and I was concerned that it was some strange condition.

Finally, at one point I asked a group of other thru hikers if they had experienced it, and they all excitedly nodded, but none of us knew the source. Finally, some local day hiker said “oh, it’s probably just a grouse”. And the mystery was solved. Many of us were very confused for months!

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by dustym on Saturday June 06, 2020 @09:17PM (#23443876)
This is funny, the first couple of times I heard it I also wondered if I was going a bit mad. When you are out all alone and you hear a sound that you can't explain I think it's pretty natural to think that.
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by yread on Saturday June 06, 2020 @01:15PM (#23440689)
Your description reminded me of a similar sound on my first night on anchor with my first chartered yacht. Turns out it was a fan in our inverter that was somehow switched on and it completely drained both our batteries (wrong installation) overnight so we couldn't lift the anchor nor start the engine in the morning
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by forgotmyp77 on Saturday June 06, 2020 @01:34PM (#23440843)
how did you get out of that one?
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by allannienhuis on Saturday June 06, 2020 @04:03PM (#23441858)
I've had this happen. Our boat has a separate battery for the generator, so normally if you accidentally drain the main and engine batteries, you can recharge via the generator. But during maintenance someone reset a switch that connected the generator battery to the mains without realizing it. We were in the proverbial middle of no-where - I had a 1+ hour row in my dingy to a remote camp to find someone to rescue us (jump-start the generator).

Now I never leave the dock without one of those portable car-starting batteries, completely disconnected from everything.

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by yread on Saturday June 06, 2020 @02:19PM (#23441210)
cried a little and called the charter company. Spent the day swimming at the anchorage waiting for them to show up with a new charged battery (the old ones were so discharged they couldn't even be charged by a fresh one)
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by dustym on Saturday June 06, 2020 @02:39PM (#23441349)
I don't have an ocean-going vessel, but if I did I'd buy rescue/tow insurance. It's not super expensive and when you need it, you need it.
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by thw0rted on Wednesday June 10, 2020 @06:50AM (#23475721)
Dude rented a charter. It would be pretty silly of the charter company not to have some kind of "rescue" provision, wouldn't it?

We had a very similar story, except we were the first to rent the boat at the start of the season and the battery bank hadn't been very well tested before they gave it to us -- a few had gone off over the winter. They drove out from HQ, replaced the bad ones with fresh stock from their van, and sent us on our way.

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by alias_neo on Saturday June 06, 2020 @02:14PM (#23441161)
Use the sails and lift the anchor manually? (I'm guessing, don't have a yacht).
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by Drdrdrq on Saturday June 06, 2020 @03:38PM (#23441698)
You would have trouble landing without the engine though. Better not to risk it if there's no problem with being anchored there, and just waiting for the fix.
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by yread on Saturday June 06, 2020 @03:50PM (#23441766)
It's possible - I did the RYA training which describes the theory of it and we even involuntarily attempted it in practicals (gearbox broke and it wouldn't go forward). But it's definitely not easy. In the end we hit a spot in the marina with absolutely no wind and had to swallow our seamanship pride and back up there
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by alias_neo on Saturday June 06, 2020 @04:46PM (#23442095)
I forgot about the part where you would have a phone and can call for help! Why is the landing part hard, is it about maneuvering and slowing?
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by Drdrdrq on Saturday June 06, 2020 @04:58PM (#23442172)
In the marinas you have limited maneuvering space and with sails you are limited in which directions you can go - directly against the wind is not possible, you need to zig-zag. Slowing is also a bit more difficult. To add to trouble, marines are often built in places with less wind (of course) and wind might change direction during landing. Note that it's still quite possible, just more challenging, risky too I guess, and also forbidden in many marines. But it's a good exercise, it makes one respect ancient mariners even more.
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by thombat on Saturday June 06, 2020 @06:05PM (#23442655)
Extending this comment, before motors it was routine to have to wait for favourable winds, especially in harbours and confined waterways. Here's the famous navigator James Cook setting out from London on his second voyage:

"I sailed from Deptford, April 9th, 1772, but got no farther than Woolwich, where I was detained by easterly winds till the 23d, when the ship fell down to Long Reach, and the next day was joined by the Adventure. Here both ships received on board their powder, guns, gunners' stores, and marines."

[http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks/e00044.html]

So the "Resolution" managed about 8km on the day of departure from the London naval dockyard, then remained anchored in the river for 13 days waiting for the wind to change direction, finally managing 16km to the victualling dock.

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by yread on Sunday June 07, 2020 @03:38PM (#23450073)
I've read about the "waiting for favorable winds" in novels and non-fiction before but I've never connected it with mooring. Thanks!
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by alias_neo on Saturday June 06, 2020 @05:26PM (#23442362)
Thanks for the explanation, appreciate it!
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by twic on Saturday June 06, 2020 @06:25PM (#23442823)
I've sailed with a guy who makes a point of doing it. At one point, he sailed a yacht with no engine, and certainly no electric motor for the anchor!
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by Wowfunhappy on Saturday June 06, 2020 @12:10PM (#23440156)
Geez, I'm torn on number one, since obviously locals should be able to live in peace, but the world is in such incredibly dire need of clean energy.

Surely this was an issue with these specific turbines, right? Not a problem with all of them?

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by fragmede on Saturday June 06, 2020 @01:34PM (#23440844)
Low-grade humming is exhausting anyway. That's one of the reasons people are so tired after a long plane flight, despite just sitting there.

Giant stationary installations with very loud noises tend to cause weird noise issues. It's a lot of unfocused, or weirdly focused sonic energy that can't be heard from a little further away, but at exactly the right (well, wrong) place, it can get re-focused, leading to a droning noise that starts and stops unexpectedly. A good example that shows this phenomenon is real, despite being invisible is the Listening Vessels[0] exhibit at the Exploratorium or similar, with two giant parabolic sound reflectors.

For the wind farm, the issue isn't just turbines, but that specific turbine, down to the serial number and the serial number plate, at that exact location, temperature, humidity, causing a resonance in a specific resident's door, miles away. The resident may be able to replace, eg, the door, but often there are factors outside of the resident's control that contribute to the issue. Like the siding on the neighbor's house, or where their car is parked.

Ideally an acoustical consultant would be brought in during the design stage (just like SREs should be brought in during the design phase of a new service and not 5 minutes before it goes live), but that almost never happens, as we see (well hear) here.

At least in this case the noise can be heard by everybody. Imagine this noise coming off the bridge, but it's only audible from your bedroom Tuesdays when its cloudy. And none of your neighbors can hear it. You'd think you'd gone mad!

[0] https://www.exploratorium.edu/exhibits/listening-vessels

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by eigenvector on Saturday June 06, 2020 @04:51PM (#23442118)
> Ideally an acoustical consultant would be brought in during the design stage (just like SREs should be brought in during the design phase of a new service and not 5 minutes before it goes live), but that almost never happens, as we see (well hear) here.

Noise studies by qualified acoustical engineers are the rule not the exception in many jurisdictions.[1] But these only go so far, because the model of the predicted noise emissions from the as-yet-unbuilt turbine is only so detailed.

For what it's worth, no matter how much engineering you do there are always people who think they can hear something that can't be measured and won't be convinced otherwise.

On the other hand, a thing that really does reduce complaints is paying a community dividend to everyone who lives nearby (instead of just paying the owners of the actual land under the turbines).

[1] https://www.ontario.ca/page/noise-guidelines-wind-farms

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by klohto on Saturday June 06, 2020 @12:45PM (#23440442)
Anecdotal evidence, but I have the same experience as well. I’m not from US, so I will assume it’s a different type of turbine. Wind turbines were installed near our village and my family started hearing sounds and feeling vibrations. I didn’t hear and don’t hear them when I return there, but it forced my parents to leave their home.

It’s a horrible feeling, especially since people don’t believe you. It can hardly be measured, because people with the correct equipment don’t pay attention to you and other people think you’re crazy.

Actually, if anybody has more information on how would I go around fixing this issue or which party should I raise this with, I would welcome that. It’s been more than a decade but the turbine is still there even though affected people have moved out.

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by technicaldonut on Saturday June 06, 2020 @12:54PM (#23440518)
That's actually a scientifically recorded fact.

German researches recorded the sleep patterns of 397 residents in areas where there was previously no mobile reception. After erecting 10 towers, many people complained about a change in sleep patterns. 5 of the 10 towers were turned off though so had no actual effect. Just the believe was enough to cause problems. [0]

[0] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20737608/

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by oliveshell on Saturday June 06, 2020 @01:08PM (#23440626)
Well, it could have been unrelated to radio emissions: resonant sounds caused by wind blowing through the tall towers, for example.
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by mike_red5hift on Saturday June 06, 2020 @01:36PM (#23440856)
RE: #2. I remember the first time I heard that sound when I moved from the city to the woods of NH. I thought someone was trying to crank up some kind of motor, too. Then I eventually caught a glimpse of a ruffed grouse doing its thing. Neat.
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by TaylorAlexander on Saturday June 06, 2020 @07:09PM (#23443156)
"felt justifiably annoyed at the encroachment of the industrial world into my backwoods trip"

Sure, yes. The annoyance is justifiable. And I do not mean to come off as combative. I just wanted to say that our alternative forms of energy also encroach on the natural world in other ways (climate change, dirty mining, etc). So while turbines might more viscerally feel like an encroachment on nature, we must remember that they may displace some more destructive form of energy generation. I am not equipped to argue definitively that they are better, just that the visibility of wind turbines might influence our perception of them.

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by DagAgren on Sunday June 07, 2020 @06:16AM (#23446223)
Wind turbines do not make that kind of noise. It's always, every single time, people angry about their view or any kind of change at all.

Every single time.

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by tomcam on Saturday June 06, 2020 @02:06PM (#23441090)
OK that grouse sound is very trippy considering the context. I would’ve been in the exact same mindset as you. Thank you for sharing.
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by tejtm on Saturday June 06, 2020 @05:51PM (#23442540)
We called them "partridge" they will stand on a hollow log and use it as a resonator. Sounds like a hit-n-miss engine starting up then petering our
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by yellowapple on Sunday June 07, 2020 @12:10AM (#23444692)
Speaking of #2, awhile back I was wondering what noises emus make and it turns out to be something I wouldn't have ever expected any animal to make: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOLF7JhW2Iw

Kinda soothing, really. Just soft, deep thumps.

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by exabrial on Saturday June 06, 2020 @11:39PM (#23444577)
Reminds me of the first time I heard a moose as a kid. Something from just out of this world.
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by rconti on Saturday June 06, 2020 @02:15PM (#23441175)
1. didn't feel like something that needed to be editorialized, but I guess WSJ disagrees.
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by johnfn on Saturday June 06, 2020 @12:13PM (#23440177)
When I lived in Nob Hill, there was a quiet long beeping sound that could be heard every couple of minutes - imagine a quiet booooop and you're pretty much there. Definitely sounded electronic. The weird thing was I could actually hear it on quiet days in a large radius in Nob Hill. It didn't seem to be localized on my house.

I was never able to identify it, and searching online gave me nothing.

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by dfischer on Saturday June 06, 2020 @04:44PM (#23442078)
I hear this all the time. I was just talking to someone about it. It’s not everyday but it’s frequent. I hear it mostly in the morning and at night.

It’s always the same length, about a second. It’ll come in pulses of 2 or 3 usually. Spread out a few minutes a part. It definitely sounds like an electronic sound. Almost like a sci fi satellite sound but deep in the water far away. Or maybe a far away whale mourning or something.

I just traveled for 3 months and heard it spread across 10 cities.

It’s very weird...

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by underwater on Saturday June 06, 2020 @05:24PM (#23442350)
Power companies transmit a signal at certain times of the day through the lines. This controls devices that can switch between day and night mode. My ceiling fans will buzz when it's happening. Sounds almost like the old SMS interference you'd get with FM radio.
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by dimnsionofsound on Sunday June 07, 2020 @03:47AM (#23445564)
This is called Ripple Control, for anyone interested:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Load_management#Ripple_control

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by underwater on Friday June 12, 2020 @08:10PM (#23505308)
Thanks. I was struggling to remember the name.
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by mareko on Saturday June 06, 2020 @12:40PM (#23440396)
Could you be hearing one of the many foghorns in the bay?

https://youtu.be/jJWd5eHeFY4

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by wpietri on Saturday June 06, 2020 @02:16PM (#23441180)
In the Mission I could occasionally hear foghorns, which made no sense to me. It was generally around first light in the morning. After quite a lot of digging, including making heatmaps of where ships parked, I traced it to Anchorage No 9, which is basically a parking lot for giant ships. You can see it when crossing the Bay Bridge.

More details and maps here: https://www.facebook.com/williamp/posts/10106726609193073

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by johnfn on Saturday June 06, 2020 @01:11PM (#23440656)
Pretty interesting hypothesis! I don't think so, though. It was a fairly electronic sounding boop, almost like a low sine wave. A fog horn sound has more acoustic qualities to it. Also, if it was a fog horn, I don't know why it would only be audible in Nob Hill and no where else I've been in SF.
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by closeparen on Saturday June 06, 2020 @02:16PM (#23441182)
The Bay foghorns are electronic tones; they don’t sound like classic/cartoon foghorns at all.
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by johnfn on Saturday June 06, 2020 @03:57PM (#23441820)
Wow. I went online and found an audio recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=12&v=CPUs2KnAyhU...

Yup, the tone at 0:08 is pretty much the exact tone I heard. Mind-blowing. Never would have imagined that's what a fog horn sounded like. I expected them to all be much deeper tones like the ones that come a few seconds later. I guess there must be weird acoustic qualities that make only the higher toned ones carry into Nob Hill.

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by stn8188 on Saturday June 06, 2020 @03:40PM (#23441707)
If it's anything like the most common fog horn that the USCG uses across the country, it's a 273Hz tone (though I don't recall the waveform, most likely sinusoidal).

As of 8 years ago, they were using the FA-232 model fog horn, the circuitry was designed in the '70s and uses discrete BJTs on the boards to generate the tone and drive the "speaker".

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by komali2 on Saturday June 06, 2020 @12:38PM (#23440379)
It wasn't the foghorn was it?
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by qppo on Saturday June 06, 2020 @12:21PM (#23440249)
I had this problem in college. Turned out to be the wind blowing over a small hole in a pipe, creating a whistle.
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by rasz on Saturday June 06, 2020 @01:47PM (#23440930)
chirping smoke alarm? Saw a YT clip of a dude hunting for annoying beep with army of audio recorders, turned out to be battery depleted fire alarm under the stairs.
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by johnfn on Saturday June 06, 2020 @02:04PM (#23441062)
Considered this too, but there are two reason I ruled it out:

1. The beep was very long - maybe a second or two - much longer than smoke alarms. 2. I could hear it blocks away from my apartment. No smoke alarm chirp would carry that far.

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by lttlrck on Saturday June 06, 2020 @02:14PM (#23441159)
Perhaps a UPS complaining that its battery is dying/dead?
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by 01100011 on Saturday June 06, 2020 @01:58PM (#23441012)
I was going insane at my old house because of 'the hum'. It started when I installed double pane windows. I think they dropped the ambient noise to the point where the hum was obvious.

Any idea what you'd use to track down very low frequency noise sources(i.e. 15-60Hz)? I don't think a lot of sensors do well in that range.

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by krisoft on Saturday June 06, 2020 @04:50PM (#23442113)
Never tried but i would go for a geophone. The datasheet of this one https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11744 says that it has reasonable response along that range.
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by nullc on Sunday June 07, 2020 @12:05AM (#23444674)
I got an infrasound microphone but all it did was demonstrate that the hum I can (barely) hear (and that my partner cannot hear) is real... and that indeed it doesn't go away when I cut power to everything within 500ft of my home (which I believed from my own observation, but wasn't completely sure of).
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by CamperBob2 on Saturday June 06, 2020 @04:26PM (#23441976)
Get an audio spectrum analyzer app for your phone, and enable its log-X scale. Very useful for this sort of thing. The FFT will reveal sounds you don't hear yourself.
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by krisoft on Saturday June 06, 2020 @05:01PM (#23442190)
They are indeed cool, but no math magic can help you if your microphone is not picking up the signal. I don’t have datasheets for mobile phone microphones but lets look at some professional ones. The Senheiser MD 46 goes down to 40hz. The Behringer MC8000 goes down to 15hz. These are just two random samples I looked at to illustrate that its not obvious that a microphone will even have a good response down to 10hz.
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by CamperBob2 on Saturday June 06, 2020 @05:25PM (#23442355)
Those ratings are 3-dB points, not brick walls. It doesn't need to have a good response down to 10 Hz (and it's safe to say that it won't).

The main drawback is that you may have to wait a while between updates.

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by TrackerFF on Saturday June 06, 2020 @10:51PM (#23444380)
For a good year I used to here this high-pitched whine when visiting my grandparents. I could hear it throughout the house, and though it was either a faulty vent, or seagull chicks on the roof. It was not constant, and rather intermittent.

I checked everything, but nothing. Asked my grandparents about it, but they couldn't hear any noises. Finally I got a friend over, and he could hear it clear as day.

One day I noticed my grandmothers hearing aids lying in a casing, and it turns out those were the source of noise. She'd forget to take out the batteries, and they would create a negative feedback-loop that came and went.

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by shitloadofbooks on Saturday June 06, 2020 @11:27PM (#23444535)
High pitch noises are the first to degrade with age. Even >25 years old you typically start to lose certain pitches.

It's why kids could hear the whine of CRTs and their parents were completely oblivious, etc.

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by Marsymars on Saturday June 06, 2020 @12:57PM (#23440544)
A couple years ago I got moved to a new office where I could hear an awful humming noise from the light ballasts in the ceiling when the lights in a showroom/lobby downstairs were turned on. None of other dozen people in my office could hear it.

I feel like I wasted a bunch of perfectly good political capital at work in my fight with building management to get them to fix the lights. They finally replaced them with ballast-free LEDs after six months.

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by goldenkey on Saturday June 06, 2020 @05:13PM (#23442261)
Same thing happened with me and getting a full spectrum light for a windowless office. I left the job not too long after due to an abusive manager. Certainly wasted political clout on the push for health.
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by Exmoor on Saturday June 06, 2020 @12:47PM (#23440455)
Mysterious sounds are very intriguing. My favorite is the mysterious sounds heard by Lewis and Clark on their expedition. This article goes down a bit of a rabbit hole, but it starts with a fairly good summary: http://www.lewis-clark.org/article/1468
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by harikb on Saturday June 06, 2020 @05:35PM (#23442425)
My backyard backs in to a strip mall with an auto mechanic shop. We hear a high pitch sound some times of the day and when we step outside to inspect, we only hear a different sound from the shop behind - a typical machine running, but not necessarily unpleasant. Turns out the walls are able to mask the lower pitch sound somehow and let in only the unpleasant higher pitch sound to the inside of the house. I am not sure how to explain it to the shop owner, but we are just going to ignore it for now. I guess I need to look into insulation options :)
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by jml7c5 on Saturday June 06, 2020 @07:28PM (#23443268)
Have you checked for windows resonating? It would be surprising if walls were acting as a high-pass filter.

Could also be electronic noise. I wonder what the machine is.

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by abakker on Sunday June 07, 2020 @11:09AM (#23447899)
Air powered die grinder, drill, or impact gun. Or, if it sounds real choppy, maybe an AC TIG welder.

I’d bet die grinder. They’re not used all the time, and they have VERY high rpm sounds which are always terrible.

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by heavenlyblue on Sunday June 07, 2020 @06:46AM (#23446375)
Do you think the high-pitch sound reflects from the house opposite to the windows?
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by robbrown451 on Saturday June 06, 2020 @07:49PM (#23443394)
Had that where I live, for the first year. San Francisco as well (it's windy here!) Finally after about a year of it, figured out it was the turbine ventilator on my next door neighbor's roof. She was a bit elderly and didn't seem to want to do anything. Luckily I realized I could reach it from my own roof. So I jammed a stick in it and it never spun again. Problem solved!
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by layoutIfNeeded on Saturday June 06, 2020 @07:53PM (#23443418)
You realize that those ventilators need to spin in order to function, right? Now her apartment won’t be ventilated properly.
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by robbrown451 on Saturday June 06, 2020 @07:59PM (#23443454)
It's just an attic ventilator. And yes I know. My sanity outweighs the air quality of her attic. And I told her first.

(FWIW she's a very nice lady and has long since sold the house and moved away. I told her I had done that at one point and she just chuckled and didn't care)

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by sgt on Saturday June 06, 2020 @06:07PM (#23442668)
Sound disturbances can cause health problems. Imagine living next to noisy neighbors and how that would affect you long term.
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by AmericanChopper on Saturday June 06, 2020 @03:57PM (#23441821)
I get woken up once a week by a sound similar to the one the Golden Gate Bridge is making. It starts around 4am, except it comes in short pulses. I recently figured out it was the breaks on the garbage truck that services my neighbourhood. They make a really loud high pitch hum every time it stops, and when the truck isn’t particularly close by, you can’t hear the rest of the truck sounds, but you can hear that hum very loudly.

The local council didn’t really care when I told them. It doesn’t bother me too much because I get up quite early anyhow, but I imagine this truck would manage to bother a rather large number of people every week. I wonder if the sound will go away next time it’s serviced.

Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by jxramos on Sunday June 07, 2020 @01:06AM (#23444905)
Nice work! Any specific techniques you used to identify the source? I've longed for the day an inexpensive or software based acoustic camera comes into reach. So many sounds I've been on the hunt for in the past an even unto today. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_camera
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by aaronblohowiak on Sunday June 07, 2020 @02:56AM (#23445349)
Ooh I wonder if hacking a smart speaker would let you make one
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by personlurking on Saturday June 06, 2020 @07:57PM (#23443444)
In my last apt, once in a while I'd start hearing a far-off hum, and it would always make my wifi go out. I eventually tracked it down to a huge backup generator for a commercial plaza a few blocks away, but telling my ISP that a distant hum cuts out the internet every once in a while wasn't going to get me anywhere.
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by fchu on Saturday June 06, 2020 @02:41PM (#23441367)
Reminds me of a prank that some co-workers pulled off: they bought some gadgets that would make a cricket sound but at random, irregular intervals, and hid it in a person's office. It drove that person insane as they slowly and methodically moved all pieces of furniture out of their office.
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by j88439h84 on Saturday June 06, 2020 @02:48PM (#23441424)
Sounds like one of those "pranks" that's actually just reducing someone's quality of life.
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by loco5niner on Monday June 08, 2020 @11:48AM (#23457608)
Pranks are only funny when everyone thinks they are funny.
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by tbodt on Saturday June 06, 2020 @01:09PM (#23440637)
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by asdff on Sunday June 07, 2020 @02:36AM (#23445277)
I hear what I suspect is the subway on the next street over moving underground periodically throughout the day. There isn't even a station there, I just hear a low rumbling that moves up or down the route.
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by interestica on Saturday June 06, 2020 @12:51PM (#23440492)
Crazy. Could someone do this maliciously? Was there any specific aspect of the window that made it resonate more than another?
Re:New slats make the Golden Gate Bridge sound like a David ... by cosmodisk on Saturday June 06, 2020 @04:47PM (#23442099)
How did you manage to track it,may I ask?