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Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by lalos on Monday January 06, 2020 @11:24PM (#21976817)
The invisible hand at play, specially if it is true that plant based milk are taking away market share from the milk industry. Hope the government doesn't bail out or protect the industry against what the free market demands.
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by m463 on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @12:38AM (#21977239)
There's lots of evidence milk isn't as good for you as the dairy industry advertises.
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by Fricken on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @01:30AM (#21977511)
There's evidence my ancestors have been drinking milk for at least 10,000 years. It's field tested.
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @01:49AM (#21977609)
> There's evidence my ancestors have been drinking milk for at least 10,000 years

Most humans can't digest lactose after infancy [1].

For those who can, we have limited research around the quantity in and frequency with which their ancestors consumed whole milk. Comparisons to modern milk, produced by stressed-out cows bred for volume and fed god-knows-what, are tenuous.

[1] https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition/lactose-intolerance

Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by fiblye on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @07:41AM (#21979376)
Some people die from being near peanut dust. That doesn't mean nuts are unhealthy to those who can eat them.

Even those who are included in "lactose intolerant" populations actually have no trouble chugging a huge glass of milk everyday along with some cheese and yogurt. Intolerance charts like you'd find on Wikipedia would lead you to suggest east Asians can't consume milk at all without discomfort, yet yogurt for breakfast, milk during lunch, a milk tea before dinner and ice cream after isn't even the slightest bit uncommon and causes no trouble for most people.

That some people can consume liters a day (or gallons, for those trying to gain muscle fast) seems to indicate that some people evolved to be fine with dairy.

Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by masonic on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @03:10AM (#21978026)

  Most humans can't digest lactose after infancy [1].
That source: "Approximately 65 percent of the human population has a reduced ability to digest lactose after infancy."

"Reduced ability" != "Can't"

Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by Fricken on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @02:09AM (#21977711)
Nutritional science has gotten a lot of things badly wrong, so it plays second fiddle to how I feel when I add or remove something from my diet. I've tried on a few occasions to cut dairy from my diet. It was sub-optimal.
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by gsich on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @03:52AM (#21978207)
>Most humans can't digest lactose after infancy [1].

Here (Europe) most can. So it's normal to digest lactose here. In other words, yes percentage wise you are correct. But is's not equally distributed.

Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by ppseafield on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @02:01AM (#21977663)
Dairy is the most common food allergy.
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by beerandt on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @10:10AM (#21980599)
I wonder how skewed this number is in the US due to doctor's notes for (un-needed) school lunch exemptions, assuming the note got charted (which is basically mandatory with electronic records). Even when I was in school, (before allergies were cool) a large number of kids faked it for access to the alternative menu, or to be allowed to bring their own lunch and snacks. I suspect it's only gotten worse.
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by projektfu on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @02:28PM (#21983702)
In the overall US population peanut appears to be the most common, 58% more prevalent. In children, milk is far and away more common, 220% more prevalent, but many milk allergic children outgrow the allergy.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4254585/

Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by m463 on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @09:28PM (#21987695)
There's evidence my ancestors have not. sigh.
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by gsich on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @01:20AM (#21977444)
And also lots of evidence for the contrary.
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by m463 on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @11:19PM (#21988287)
The contrary would be: "Milk is better for you than the dairy industry advertises".

So show a dairy industry advertisement, and show that milk is actually better than THAT. :)

Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by t0ddbonzalez on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @09:21AM (#21980095)
> " There's lots of evidence milk isn't as good for you as the dairy industry advertises."

lol at this ridiculous comment. Present the evidence please.

How many millions of years do you think mammals have been drinking milk for?

Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by nerevarthelame on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @11:54AM (#21981751)
You're right that they should present the evidence, but "How many millions of years" isn't an especially convincing counterargument either. For most of those millions of years, mammals have been drinking strictly the milk from their species only during their infancy.
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by bluGill on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @12:08PM (#21981925)
About 1/3rd of adult humans have genetic mutations to make drinking milk safe. (by coincidence most of those adults speak English). Because of that adaptation the other species argument is invalid.
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by rsynnott on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @11:42AM (#21981609)
_Adult_ mammals drinking the milk of other species is a _very_ new invention; lots of humans don't even do it.
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by lm28469 on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @11:08AM (#21981255)
How many millions of years do you think _adult_ mammals have been drinking milk _coming from other mammals_ for?
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by thorwasdfasdf on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @12:14PM (#21981987)
dairy consumption is very strongly linked to prostate cancer: Dr. Miller gave a huge talk about this. You can find it on Youtube. Also, there's the China study, one of the largest ever studies in china showing that dairy and meat consumption are strongly linked to cancers and diseases even within a genetically homogenous population. some portions of the population had cancer rates of 400 times higher than other areas: guess what they ate? dairy/meat. they looked at over 30 factors and found the biggest factors were what people ate. there's numerous other studies as well.

drinking your own species milk is very different from drinking another mammals milk. humans didn't start drinking /eating dairy until very recently in the last couple 100K years.

Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by t0ddbonzalez on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @04:04AM (#21989711)
> "dairy consumption is very strongly linked to prostate cancer: Dr. Miller gave a huge talk about this. You can find it on Youtube."

Who is Dr Miller. Does he present his research in medical journals, or just on YouTube? Got a link to a research paper? "Look it up on YouTube" isn't a valid response when someone asks for proof of something...

> " Also, there's the China study..."

China's a big place. Lots of studies going on, I'd imagine. Again - got a link to a research paper?

How about this: https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/causes-of-canc...

"Milk and dairy are good sources of calcium and protein which are needed as part of a healthy, balanced diet. Calcium is important for teeth and bone health.

Studies looking into the link between cancer and dairy products have not given clear results. There is evidence that dairy products could reduce the risk of bowel cancer, but we cannot say for sure that this is the case. There is no strong evidence linking dairy products to any other types of cancer. We need further research to find out more about the links between dairy products and cancer risk."

Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by thorwasdfasdf on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @12:13PM (#21993408)
Most of the calcium you get from milk just ends up getting pissed out. they've measured this many times and found that the body doesn't even absorb most of the calcium from the milk. You can get calcium from many many many sources: nearly all the fruits and vegetables have it in abundance.

This will shock you, but It's a fact that no animal produces it's own protein. Protein gets produced in Plants, that's where it comes from. Animals get their protein from plants. If you get it from a cow through milk or eating the cow meat, your just eating 2nd hand protein. Look at all the strongest and biggest animals in the world: Apes, Gorillas, Cows, Elephants, Rhinos they all eat plants and get nearly all their protein from plants.

Milk is actually terrible for your bones. There are many studies showing that it is linked to increased bone fractures in elderly people and also linked to increased cardiovascular risk.

I know this all sounds shocking, but if you want to know the truth, you should watch "Forks over knives" or watch "What the health". both can be found on netflix.

Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by thorwasdfasdf on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @12:28PM (#21993603)
As for "the china study" it's not some small study: "The study they created included 367 variables, 65 counties in China, and 6,500 adults (who completed questionnaires, blood tests, etc.). “When we were done, we had more than 8,000 statistically significant associations between lifestyle, diet, and disease variables.”"
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by uhtred on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @11:03AM (#21981202)
Their mother's milk, during infancy. No mammals other than humans drink milk after infancy, and humans have only been doing that for a few thousand years. I'm sure there's links to evidence I can find but I'm not going to waste my time as it's common sense.
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by melq on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @11:41AM (#21981591)
If its healthy during infancy why would it be unhealthy during adulthood?
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by uhtred on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @11:47AM (#21981668)
Because the average adult doesn't need such a high concentration of fat and calories in a single drink / bowl of cereal / piece of cheese etc. If it was healthy and natural you'd be drinking your mother's milk as an adult, but I'm sure you aren't.
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by melq on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @12:16AM (#21988569)
>Because the average adult doesn’t need ...

This doesn’t mean consuming a moderate amount of milk is somehow unhealthy.

Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by bluGill on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @12:09PM (#21981932)
Because for species other than humans the ability to digest milk is lost when they become an adult. This genetic adaptation changing everything.
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by jononomo on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @01:15AM (#21977424)
Where did you get that idea? Milk is one of the 2-3 most nutritious foods on Earth. In fact, milk has been designed by evolution over millions of years to be precisely what a mammal needs to thrive.
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @01:50AM (#21977615)
> designed by evolution over millions of years to be precisely what a mammal needs to thrive

Infant mammals. Adults consuming the milk of another species is recent. (About 10,000 years in humans.)

We have mixed evidence for the benefits of milk. It was a rich source of calories when those were scarce. Today, it might promote obesity. And good advice for some is bad advice for others. For example, milk boosts iron at the expense of vitamin D; that makes it favorable for light-skinned people at high latitudes [1].

Milk's branding as a superfood essential for kids is a product of post-war propaganda [2]. (TL; DR The U.S. government boosted dairy demand to feed soldiers. After the war, that production was threatened. So civilian demand was boosted.)

[1] https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/131/1/e144

[2] https://dairymarkets.org/pubPod/pubs/EB9505.pdf

Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by masonic on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @03:14AM (#21978043)

  production was threatened. So civilian demand was boosted.
That makes no sense. When production is "threatened", artificially boosting demand would be the exactly wrong thing to do.
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @03:40AM (#21978157)
> When production is "threatened", artificially boosting demand would be the exactly wrong thing to do

There was wartime demand. Dairy farmers invested to meet it. War ends. Demand goes down. That capital must now be written off, re-purposed, or the demand re-started. We chose the last option.

Production as in productive capital or productive potential.

Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by toomuchtodo on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @01:17AM (#21977433)
Some humans have the necessary genes to digest milk, some do not. Can't lump all mammals together.

> Milk contains a type of sugar called lactose, which is distinct from the sugars found in fruit and other sweet foods. When we are babies, our bodies make a special enzyme called lactase that allows us to digest the lactose in our mother’s milk. But after we are weaned in early childhood, for many people this stops. Without lactase, we cannot properly digest the lactose in milk. As a result, if an adult drinks a lot of milk they may experience flatulence, painful cramps and even diarrhoea. (It’s worth noting that in other mammals, there aren’t any lactase-persistent adults – adult cows don’t have active lactase, and neither do cats or dogs, for example).

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190218-when-did-humans-...

Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by mcv on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @06:59AM (#21979140)
> "Some humans have the necessary genes to digest milk, some do not. Can't lump all mammals together."

Note, adult mammals. Drinking milk as a baby is literally the definition of mammal. Even the platypus, which lays eggs and lacks teats, counts as mammal because they still produce milk to feed their children.

Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by soperj on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @01:22AM (#21977459)
Then how do cats digest it?
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by InvaderFizz on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @01:28AM (#21977497)
Poorly.

Adult cats are generally lactose intolerant[0].

0: https://www.prestigeanimalhospital.com/services/cats/blog/wh...

Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by xnyan on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @09:14AM (#21980045)
Cats drinking bowls of milk is a TV thing or people who don't know better. Almost all mammals, including humans, lose the ability to effectively process lactose at some point in their life. Keeping the ability to process lactose as an adult is somewhat unique to humans and even then most will stop producing lactase before they die.
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by lawnchair_larry on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @02:13AM (#21977740)
Is there a test to determine if you do make lactase?
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by xnyan on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @09:10AM (#21980009)
Rapidly after drinking a glass of milk (or any of the many, many things that include lactose) it becomes very very clear that I am lactose intolerant to both myself and everyone around me.
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by toomuchtodo on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @02:17AM (#21977756)
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by klipt on Monday January 06, 2020 @11:38PM (#21976881)
Whole milk is still recommended by pediatricians for toddlers, I imagine plant based milk is not nutritionally equivalent.
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by toomuchtodo on Monday January 06, 2020 @11:41PM (#21976909)
We use pea milk with our kids because they're lactose intolerant. Pediatrician recommended as long as they're getting more protein and fat elsewhere in their diet (which they do). It doesn't hurt that peas don't care how they're raised and treated to produce milk.

Dairy milk is not nutritionally necessary in any age cohort. If you enjoy it, that's fine of course, but it isn't required if you don't.

Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by rusticpenn on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @09:58AM (#21980470)
Peas probably do care about these things. We just have not understood the systems yet. I think the research into Plant intelligence and sensitivity is relatively new.
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by lawnchair_larry on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @02:15AM (#21977747)
How did you determine that they are lactose intolerant? Just trial and error, or is there a specific way to confirm this?
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by xnyan on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @09:07AM (#21979985)
I'm truly happy that you are not lactose intolerant. I know you are not intolerant because if you were, that's not a question you'd need to ask. I don't want to be crass, let's just say the symptoms are NOT ambiguous to you or people around you:

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/lactose-intol...

Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by msh on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @07:14AM (#21979217)
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by thebooktocome on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @07:18AM (#21979243)
It's pretty easy to tell if you're more than just slightly lactose intolerant. The symptoms are pretty obvious and go away after a day or two of avoiding dairy.
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by toomuchtodo on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @02:31AM (#21977837)
Trial and error.
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by jononomo on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @01:18AM (#21977437)
I just think you're damaging your kids by not giving them milk, which is the most nutritious thing you can feed a kid. Also, your kids may be lactose intolerant due to other stuff in their diet, like gluten or other toxins in plant-based foods that lead to a leaky gut.
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by matthewmacleod on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @07:52AM (#21979453)
Ah of course, your robust remote medical diagnosis of "leaky gut" seems much more suitable than an actual assessment by an actual physician.

It's fine to research and make decisions about your diet which are in line with your own understanding, philosophy, and dietary requirements. Please don't pretend that your views on this are particularly useful for others.

Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by wtmt on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @04:29AM (#21978372)
Nobody is damaging their kids by not giving milk unless they're not giving mother's milk (or human milk). There are alternatives that may be more suitable and better than the milk of a cow or a buffalo (or some other mammal).
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by kasplat on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @01:36AM (#21977540)
there is no evidence that gluten is bad for you if you're not gluten-sensitive.
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by hkeide on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @01:59AM (#21977652)
Yet gluten sensitivity is on the rise
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by Kye on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @07:49AM (#21979432)
Things can seem to be on the rise when awareness and detection improve. For example: the number of known exoplanets grows by the day, but they existed before we knew about them.
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by beerandt on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @09:58AM (#21980471)
>awareness and detection improve.

Increase might be a better word than improve. Number of "diagnosed" cases might have gone up, but I'd argue accuracy of diagnosis has gotten much much worse.

There was a recent study showing only about 1 in 10 people who claimed to be allergic to antibiotics actually had any allergic or other negative response to them.

Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by beerandt on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @02:47PM (#21983959)
Link to a paper on the antibiotics allergy topic:

https://www.pharmaceutical-journal.com/learning/learning-art...?

Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by rsynnott on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @11:47AM (#21981662)
Realistically, it is a lot more likely that the kids are lactose intolerant (over half of humanity) than that they have celiac disease (under 1% of humanity).

Also, there's a fairly foolproof test for lactose intolerance.

Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by klipt on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @01:07PM (#21994025)
Over half of humanity become lactose intolerant as adults.

Almost no infants are lactose intolerant, for obvious evolutionary reasons (mother's milk is full of lactose).

Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by justinator on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @01:21AM (#21977455)
If milk is so good, keep them on Mother's milk.
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by mijkal on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @02:23AM (#21977793)
Bitty! Lol :-)

(Ref: 'Little Britain') https://youtu.be/FmD2Y6WxpIw?t=61

Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by uhtred on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @11:08AM (#21981259)
I drink unflavored, unsweetened soy milk. Just two ingredients, soy beans and water. It tastes great when made properly, and is very nutritious, high protein and good fats, calcium etc
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by maximente on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @11:56AM (#21981787)
what brand/product is this, or is it homemade?
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by uhtred on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @12:59PM (#21982574)
Edensoy!
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by pkaye on Monday January 06, 2020 @11:28PM (#21976838)
What I've heard is people drink less milk but eat more cheese. I think the plant milk substitutes for cheese are not quite there.
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by onlyrealcuzzo on Monday January 06, 2020 @11:42PM (#21976917)
Not for hard cheeses, and they're not doing a good job mimicking the flavors, but there's some really good soft cashew cheeses these days -- and it's not very processed either.
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by bestnameever on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @12:25AM (#21977176)
The best mac and cheese I have ever had was vegan although that was from a vegan restaurant so I don't even know how they made it.
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by dpatru on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @01:12AM (#21977411)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7q2Ry-pC6Rw

Here are my kids making vegan mac and cheese.

Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by toomuchtodo on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @12:30AM (#21977202)
Cashew sauce serves as a cheese substitute.
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @01:52AM (#21977628)
> Cashew sauce serves as a cheese substitute

Recently went to a plant-based pizza place. (Unknowingly.) Pizza comes out. It's a white pizza. Cashew cheese all over it.

Biting into what you think is cheese and getting cashew is disgusting. Biting into a cashew, sage and roasted pepper flatbread is quite nice.

The language around substitutes likely needs to evolve for mass adoption. (That or make it literally unrecognisably similar, e.g. what Impossible and Beyond Meat are trying to do, at which point one likely surrenders many health benefits.)

Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by logfromblammo on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @01:57PM (#21983308)
I agree completely.

Saying "vegan X" for a complex vegan recipe intended to approach the experience of eating X seems like a naming failure when considering the sometimes heroic effort that went into researching the recipe.

Calling it "vegan cheese" is thus doubly unsuitable, as it disappoints everyone expecting something like real cheese, and denies the vegan innovator a distinctive, intrinsically vegan name for the creation.

Veganism should really be appealing for vegans first, and then the masses will appropriate from that culture whatever foods they like best from it. A "mac and vegan cheese" will never be able to outcompete mac and genuine cheese among the people who don't really care all that much if dairy cows are exploited or unhappy. But a "macaroni and cashew-butter sauce" might be fine if I'm not really in the mood for real cheese, or want to try something different.

I'm perfectly willing to try original vegan foods, but when they go head-to-head with vegan imitation against non-vegan genuine, I will choose the genuine food most of the time.

Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by toomuchtodo on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @01:57AM (#21977645)
Just had mac and cheese (with cashew sauce as the cheese) at a vegan diner in Indianapolis a few days ago, couldn't tell the difference between it and the real deal. It's unlikely you're going to get away with calling cashew sauce "cheese" at scale, but when properly made it gets close.
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @01:58AM (#21977651)
> Just had mac and cheese at a vegan diner in Indianapolis a few days ago

Mind sharing the name? I'm out there in a few weeks.

Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by md2be on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @11:26AM (#21981432)
Vegan Mac Cheese sauce is perhaps the simplistic thing to make - soak cashews overnight in fridge, drain water, add fresh water, blends, add nutritional yeast, salt, pepper, garlic, and a lemon. Heat and serve.
Re:America's Biggest Milk Producers Are Going Bankrupt by toomuchtodo on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @02:00AM (#21977660)
10th Street Diner. Also highly recommend their take on a BLT. Enjoy!

https://www.yelp.com/biz/10th-street-diner-indianapolis