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There are lots of mouse studies that point to bad metabolic effects from soybean oil consumption. Many of these mechanisms are the same in humans. If one wants to start pulling the metaphorical thread on seed oils, this is not hard to do, as long as one realizes that the companies who sell these things will always tell the consumer they are healthy.

https://news.ucr.edu/articles/2020/01/17/americas-most-widel...

Seed oils did not exist in the food supply before the late 1800s, so the idea that they are this amazing health food, while also being incredibly cheap/profitable to produce and really useful in creating junk food really stretches credulity.

There are many debunkings of The Game Changers, this is a good place to start: https://youtu.be/jClsLOuQ2DE?t=772

The bioavailability is much lower and it’s usually filled with factory oils like soybean oil which is not very healthy.

The calory in calory out (CICO) model is pretty much debunked I think. Some foods affect metabolism, others affect satiety. People in the US had enough food a hundred years ago, yet they weren't morbidly obese.

The environmental impact is also suspect. There were about as many head of cattle (buffalo) in the US before white people arrived as there are now, but somehow the cows are causing global warming, not you know, fossil fuels.

Every time I hear this story the alleged budget increases

I didn't claim you made up the bankruptcy numbers. I just pointed out the economies are different. We are discussing a strategy for dealing with the virus, not who has the most money. If you've been to Scandinavia you will know who has the most money.

Exaggerating is a strong word. I don't think any two countries count deaths in the same way however.

You should visit Scandinavia sometime. The Swedish and Norwegian economies cannot be compared easily.

The Scandinavian countries are actually quite different economically with regards to e.g. which industries represent most of their GDP. Since they are so small they are not very diversified. They're smaller than many US states and most people wouldn't make claims like this comparing those.

Do you think it's possible that since more people have had the virus in Sweden, they are "through" to the other side while Norway isn't? How would that affect the excess death number?

The counting methodology is not the same so it's not necessarily an apples to apples comparison

Yes, I agree, the debate needs to be open. I also think that being allowed to champion your own opinions and defend your past choices is a given, not least since these people whom I may disagree with may have good arguments that should be considered.

As a Norwegian I don't trust a Norwegian newspaper to be anywhere near impartial with regards to the economic question. I also think it's hard to compare Norway and Sweden economically given the amount of money spent on stimulus by Norway this year because of "the oil".

Are the Covid deaths counted the same way? It seems for example that Sweden are very aggressive with labeling a death as Covid and e.g. Finland are undercounting.

The number of cases seems more clear cut, and I agree that it's not clear that the strategy either failed or succeeded. Just pointing out some potential pitfalls comparing even these two relatively similar countries.

Don't other people who recommended other approaches have the same biases? Politicians and scientists alike

The incentives to write scary articles are clear. No secret cabal required.

Are you talking about confirmed cases here?

And the people who don't go and find a new job will replace you in the market place. It's natural selection.

Very cool, mind sharing some? Others may have the same.

Makes me think of a big US automaker that doesn't like short sellers.

Why doesn't Kafka do this?

I build my Linux Go binaries on my macOS development machine. Cross compilation is trivially easy in Go and I never had any libc version problems.

Along these lines, not drinking excessively with meals can help, since you're not dilluting your stomach acid.

Norway produced only slightly less oil in 1987 than they do now. The Aleksander Kielland accident happened in 1980, and by that time, oil was huge business.

Do you think emissions are increasing in an exponential manner or a linear manner?

It's hard to survive in a healthy way for most of the world without eating animals unfortunately. Animals die in nature all the time, in much worse ways than the clean deaths they would get in a meat processing plant. Death is part of the cycle of life, and it seems we are forgetting that since we've become so far separated from nature these days.

A couple more possibilities could be that smokers are less likely to notice any symptoms they might have, or are less likely to report those symptoms and get a test. Smokers are probably less conscientious on average - it's almost the definition of lack of conscientiousness.

That's the opposite of everything I've read

Old people own stuff. Why is that important in this context?

I haven’t considered that angle but I think it comes down to human nature mostly. Trust in authorities seem to be our default mode of operation, and critical thinking is not something that’s taught in med school or valued in hospitals. Doctors are mostly not scientists. Ask your doctor to read a study and they might read the abstract. Most have no ability to evaluate the quality of a study

This is pretty common in medicine. Consensus weighs heavier than actual evidence unfortunately.