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Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by bluedino on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @09:34AM (#21258164)
Our Sears store is finally closing it's doors this month. It took long enough.

20 years ago I worked there, selling Packard Bell and Macintosh computers, as well as vaccums. Who decided those departments should be merged, I don't know. Once in a while I'd sub at a smaller store about 45 minutes away, and cameras got thrown into the mix.

I always liked the Sears Auto Center for tires, service, and Diehard batteries. Craftsman hand tools were decent until the mid-2000's when they started changing warranty policies.

The power tools and lawn equipment were never really any good. If you buy a 'Craftsman' mower, you're getting the same Chinese-engined lawnmower that you buy at the same price point at any other store. Just like any other product these days.

They used to have an entire part of the store dedicated to flat-screen TV's. As they cheapened, the area got smaller and smaller, until it was 4-5 sad TV's hanging on a wall. Just this last year they decided to fill that part of the store with mattresses.

I noticed the store filling up with Craftsman, Kenmore, and other Sears-branded junk. Just low end stuff like cheap shoes, plastic utensils, and pots and pans. I figured distributors weren't willing to give Sears enough credit to stock the stores with stuff of any value.

The store itself hasn't been kept up in forever. Most of the ceiling tiles are stained from leaks. the carpets are probably as old as I am, everything is broken, and it doesn't even feel like they turn the heat on in the winter.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by ssharp on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @10:53AM (#21259056)
I don't know if Sears selling higher quality stuff would really matter.

Departments stores seem almost entirely doomed to fail because of the combo of more specialty retail (buying clothes at a clothing store as opposed to department store), Amazon/ecommerce, discount retail (TJX family), and, of course, giants like Walmart being able to operate better.

Stores like Target and Meijer are able to fill the void of shopper wishing to avoid Walmart so I don't see a ton of space for anyone else.

Certainly Sears could have positioned itself better to evolve into something closer to Target but that ship sailed at least 20 years ago and Sears being mostly anchored to shopping malls didn't help its cause much.

The Sears attached to my hometown's mall was shut down 2 or 3 years ago. The space is currently being destroyed so they can develop an outdoor entertainment space.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by SquishyPanda23 on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @10:59AM (#21259111)
> Amazon/ecommerce,

Ironically, Sears shut down its century-old catalog just as ecommerce was becoming viable.

They had the infrastructure to be Amazon but they threw it away and Amazon had to build it all up from scratch.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by rossdavidh on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @12:01PM (#21259920)
My wife knew a guy who was essentially the Sears.com developer, back then. There was a magazine showing the Sears CEO, and him (he had a Misfits pin on his messenger bag).

He wasn't literally the only developer, but it was close. Sears did not take ecommerce seriously enough, for quite a long time (like, maybe, ever).

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by jkestner on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @03:22PM (#21262573)
When was that? Everyone's got to start somewhere. I was the only web developer for a really big moving company back when you were just called webmaster. Ran it off Mac OS X Server 1.2 on an original iMac for a while.
Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by Joeri on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @01:06PM (#21260843)
Sears used to be quite literally the everything store. They even sold houses.

I thought amazon wasn’t quite there yet, and then I found this: https://www.amazon.com/ECOHOUSEMART-Laminated-friendly-Build...

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by cr0sh on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @05:01PM (#21263711)
Amazon still isn't quite there - that "house kit" is offered by a third party, and I am not sure anyone rational would just drop that kind of money on a credit card for a third party on Amazon...

Now, if it said "fulfilled by Amazon" - or it went to a different section of the site ("Amazon Dwellings" - I dunno) that was clearly an Amazon branded product, manufacturing and fulfillment system for houses, that'd be a different thing.

I'm not sure how Sears did it way, way back when. But it was probably closer to something like a dealership, where you went inside a store and sat down and worked out the paperwork, etc - then paid the down payment or in full or whatever, then had to go "back home" to arrange shipment from the (likely train) dock or such out to your land...

What I could see Amazon getting into would be shipping container houses/pods/etc - or something like small houses (in conjunction with Ikea maybe?). I know Amazon has at least one offering of a container house, but again, it's third party. What I'm envisioning would be something you just go thru a designer app to come up with the interior layout for the "pods" in the standard container sizes, then tell them where you want it to be delivered, and it arrives on your property ready to be offloaded, with a large Amazon logo on the side (looking like a standard shipping container until it is "unwrapped" or "assembled" more or less. With everything included to make it stupid simple. Heck, if the land sale could be included in it, so that all bylaws and such were taken care of (water, electrical, sewage, etc), plus all the contracts and such for cement foundations or whatnot - it would be one heck of a housing solution.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by zrobotics on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @10:08PM (#21266362)
My maternal great-grandfather bought a house from sears- apparently the process was actually pretty cool. He sent in the cashiers check (or equivalent, I do know he bought it outright) along with instructions on which train station to ship it to. Apparently it was exactly what it said on the tin- my grandmother's older brother said that they included all the fasteners. They saved the plans/instructions, and they were remarkably detailed. I'll have to see if I can track down who has them and put some scans up, it'd make an interesting blog post.

About the only modification they made was adding electric- this was on a farm in the upper Midwest in the 20s,rural electrification wasn't a thing yet. Apparently they ran the lights off a generator that charged a bank of Edison Ni-Fe batteries.

I do know that they didn't go into a store--the nearest Sears was 400 miles away. He did telegraph to request more details, but AFAIK the process to order the house wasn't much different than ordering anything else. I don't know what details went into authorizing payment, but I don't think there was phone service in that town at the time.

Although 150k for that Amazon house seems like a ripoff, most large lumber yards will spec out a 'kit' for far less than that. I do know that that is still a thing, my brother was a manager at a Menards (Home Depot, but cheaper) and they had a selection of houses that were pre-specced and they would sell them as a kit. Although they aren't delivered as an entire kit, you go back to the store in stages to get the components.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by jplayer01 on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @05:27AM (#21268547)
> Now, if it said "fulfilled by Amazon" - or it went to a different section of the site ("Amazon Dwellings" - I dunno) that was clearly an Amazon branded product, manufacturing and fulfillment system for houses, that'd be a different thing.

Except you run the chance of getting a counterfeit product if it's fulfilled by Amazon - and even if it's sold by Amazon, because of the whole co-mingling thing. Can you imagine getting a counterfeit house?

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by kbenson on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @07:53PM (#21265451)
Oh, man, imagine the shipping on that. If only is was prime. Actually, it would amuse me to no end to know someone abused the Amazon Prime warehoused by showing up with a few house's worth of these in many trucks, and Amazon ended up storing them all for free and them shipping them out for free. Who needs a warehouse when Amazon has plenty of perfectly fine ones just waiting for you? :)
Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by zrobotics on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @10:10PM (#21266383)
Doesn't Amazon charge for warehouse space? I would imagine that the warehousing fees for that would be insane.

Although I did buy a granite 12"x18" surface plate that was FBA- I'm sure they lost on shipping that 2 day, it weights ~90lbs. I noticed that shortly after I bought that the item was no longer fulfilled by Amazon.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by kbenson on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @01:57AM (#21267465)
> Doesn't Amazon charge for warehouse space? I would imagine that the warehousing fees for that would be insane.

I guess they do.[1] Oh well.

1: https://sellercentral.amazon.com/gp/help/external/200612770?...

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by Aperocky on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @09:10PM (#21266024)
TBF, It's often (and in this case, I would imagine much) easier to build it up from scratch.

Imagine transforming the massive department that was the catalog service, and it's not even about the physical difficulty of transforming the department, the political resistance at the time will be crazy. Multiple billions are wasted for political games every year in large companies, and it's not clear and cut as 'what if we just do this' because hindsight is 20/20. People and especially management carry a heavy inertia.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by fgonzag on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @09:47PM (#21266243)
Sears had it the easiest. They already had all the logistics and delivery operations in place. All they had to update was one thing: their ordering process. They've could have started by placing the catalog online and having you call to order (maybe they did this?), then you move to online ordering, then you went full e-tailer and removed the catalog. The only thing that changed from traditional retail giant to e-tailer was the ordering process.

Sears was uniquely positioned for the future and they squandered their opportunity.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by jrumbut on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @11:21PM (#21266753)
I know almost no one does this, but I find it so strange given what we know about domain knowledge that it wasn't the natural solution to teach a bunch of the catalog staff PHP and make them the foundation of the ecommerce staff.

You had people in there with 3-30+ years experience of knowing the ins and outs of Sears logistics, the product lines, the sales techniques, and the brand. They couldn't learn how to work a Wordpress site? Make a theme? Is it really always faster to take web devs and teach the entire rest of the domain to them?

I wonder what it would do to the inertia and political gamesmanship issues (not to mention retention!) if a company gained the reputation for continuously training employees and executives to keep up with the latest and greatest, that if you were innovative and took initiative you would be ahead of outside hires for new, desirable roles.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by tonyedgecombe on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @03:21AM (#21267908)
It’s hard to underestimate the inertia in these places. I’ve had a couple of employers that became victims of a changing market. Everybody knew we had to change but nothing happened. The funny thing is after the businesses failed many of us ended up doing what we should have done before.
Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by ghaff on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @11:38AM (#21259602)
>They had the infrastructure to be Amazon

Not really. A mail order catalog has very little in common with a modern eCommerce operation like Amazon's. It's a bit like saying that because Kodak was a photography giant they should have been able to win digital photography when, in fact, other than brand it's not clear what real assets and expertise they had to bring. (And brand can be a hindrance as well as a help if you're shifting businesses.)

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by lojack on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @12:14PM (#21260117)
> It's a bit like saying that because Kodak was a photography giant they should have been able to win digital photography when, in fact, other than brand it's not clear what real assets and expertise they had to bring.

This isn't exactly the best example seeing as how Kodak is the poster child for ignoring technology shifts and going bankrupt as a result. Their executives largely ignored digital for the longest time and put minimal resources into R&D even after it was clear digital was taking over. It's sad really, because Kodak was positioned to be a pioneer in digital but they failed to embrace change and that costed them immensely in the end.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by jhall1468 on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @01:10PM (#21260902)
To add to that: It was a Kodak engineer that effectively invented the self-contained digital camera. Kodak would have been unanimous with digital photography had they recognized what they had. Unfortunately, their leadership was in charge of a chemical company, and as such, they failed miserably to capitalize.
Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by gmiller123456 on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @03:21PM (#21262549)
The first image sensor was created at Bell-Labs, so just creating a camera using one didn't really give them any advantage.

I think a lot of people get caught up in the idea that a company is a living breathing organism that should fight for its life to the very end. In reality, its a collection of investors and employees all with their own interest, and sometimes it's best for everyone to part their separate ways. It's not like the same people were at Kodak when the digital sensor was invented, as there was when they finally gave up on film.

The change to digital was a very slow one, and film remained a very profitable business for Kodak for a long time. IMHO, it would have been insane for Kodak to invest in semiconductor fabrication facilities from the start. Meanwhile existing semiconductor companies could leverage existing tools, employees, and facilities to produce image sensors with relatively low cost and low risk. By the time it made sense to invest in semiconductor tech, they were already too far behind, and it just made more sense for the company to milk the Kodak brand for all they could.

I see it as more like Edison promoting DC over AC. He certainly knew AC was the way to go, but he could only gain financially from DC, so that's what he promoted.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by kevin_thibedeau on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @06:17PM (#21264554)
Kodak had a number of key patents on CCD imagers. They had a fab (that still exists) turning out high resolution linear and area array sensors for special applications and DSLRs. Much of the commercial satellite imagery seen on Google maps comes via Kodak sensors.

Kodak's problem is that they always bottom fed the market with their film cameras and retained the same position in digicams. The former strategy is great when you want to drive demand for consumables. It doesn't work when there is nothing to consume in the picture taking process.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by Judgmentality on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @04:24PM (#21263307)
> I see it as more like Edison promoting DC over AC. He certainly knew AC was the way to go, but he could only gain financially from DC, so that's what he promoted.

I don't think Edison knew AC was better. Don't forget Tesla worked for Edison and showed him AC current, and Edison told him not to waste his time on it which is why Tesla went off to do his own thing. And anybody that knew Tesla (based on what I've read, I've obviously never met him) knew he didn't care about making money at all, so he would've happily let Edison have all the profits. Most people don't know Tesla voluntarily tore up his contract with Westinghouse that would have made him the richest man in history. I think it would have been very easy for Edison to profit from AC had he not been so stubborn.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by cr0sh on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @05:07PM (#21263778)
> I think it would have been very easy for Edison to profit from AC had he not been so stubborn.

I've often wondered what could have happened had they became partners or even friends. What Tesla would have made of, say, the Edison Effect - perhaps the vacuum tube (diode, triode, etc) would have been invented much earlier? How that would have affected history (good and bad)? Would electronic digital computers have been developed earlier? Who knows...

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by jhall1468 on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @04:57PM (#21263670)
First to market in hardware, especially 30+ years ago wasn't a minor advantage it was an enormous advantage.

And I'm not suggesting Kodak should have just went for digital in 1975, as that wasn't cost effective, or practical. But they should have, arguably, understood it was the future and at least pretended that it was a possible revenue stream. Instead they actively avoided it, and doubled-down on the "we're a chemical company" for decades. Then they went bankrupt.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by dralley on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @04:40PM (#21263485)
It's a little bit more complicated than that.

Kodak was not a camera company as much as they were a chemical company. They made film, they made developing agents, glass, etc. Eastman Chemical was formerly a subsidary of Kodak, and they had even broader chemical expertise -- fibers, explosives, involved in the Manhattan Project, etc.

So transitioning to digital photography would have meant giving up almost all of their expertise and present business interests. It would have meant slashing their revenue and completely reinventing the company.

Of course, all of that happened anyway. But one can imagine how difficult it would be to pull that trigger yourself. Doing the long-term responsible thing might have even led to shareholder lawsuits...

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by perl4ever on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @06:18PM (#21264562)
Shareholders in public companies can easily sell their stock and invest in something else if it seems to be the future. And employees can (not so easily) find another job. A company doesn't need to be eternal. Once upon a time, wasn't a company required to have a fixed purpose and maybe a time limit?
Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by dralley on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @12:25AM (#21267026)
>Shareholders in public companies can easily sell their stock and invest in something else if it seems to be the future.

That doesn't preclude lawsuits. American business law is fucking stupid.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by perl4ever on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @06:55PM (#21276920)
Huh? Under what scenario would the shareholders get sued for selling their stock?

Also, people complain too much about lawsuits versus corporations. Wells Fargo just took a $1.6 billion charge for legal expenses. That's something like 700 person-years at $400/hr, 16 hrs/day. The stupidity isn't the system that allows the lawsuits, it's the corporate mindlessness that wastes the equivalent of 1,000 people's lifetimes on arguing that they didn't do anything wrong instead of just saying "welp you got us".

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by ghaff on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @07:38PM (#21265332)
There's a popular perspective that companies are better off always taking drastic action even if it will probably lead to going down in flames rather than milking a business through an inevitable decline. And that's not always the case.

It's of course natural and sensible for companies to pursue strategies for new products and product lines as existing ones mature and decline. But if doing so means investing in new businesses where you have no particular expertise or advantage, it's unclear if you're benefiting your owners (i.e. shareholders) by doing so.

There's plenty to criticize Kodak about. But it was going to be in a very tough position no matter what. And we can name plenty of other businesses that have been completely replaced by new unrelated technologies. Keuffel and Esser wasn't going to become a calculator company.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by ianburrell on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @02:01PM (#21261604)
Kodak was a pioneer in digital cameras. They made plenty of them. But they focused on compact cameras, with the EasyShare brand, and smartphones absolutely devastated sales of those.
Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by hinkley on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @01:29PM (#21261165)
Ultimately the top tier camera makers had enough cash reserves and brand recognition to sort their shit out and build digital cameras that were actually good. Then they could differentiate again on bodies and lenses.

There was a long time there where everyone thought the startups and the consumer electronics companies were going to win. Wasn't there a time when Sony had the best digital cameras? Digital cameras were one of the big 'disruptions' in the early information age.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by ianburrell on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @02:10PM (#21261709)
The top camera makers, Nikon and Canon, were top camera makers before digital. Smartphones killed the compact cameras market that had the most companies and the survivors are the ones that had successful interchangable lens systems or were able to pivot to mirrorless.

Sony is the other currently successful camera maker. They bought Konica-Minolta, and made the switch to mirrorless early. Most importantly, they manufacture the best sensors that everyone else except for Canon uses.

Most of the current digital camera brands were analog camera makers. Panasonic is the exception and they partnered with Leica.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by hinkley on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @02:29PM (#21261958)
This seems like an argument, but we're in agreement.
Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by ghaff on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @02:12PM (#21261732)
Also Fujifilm in mirrorless but they're probably a smaller player than Sony.
Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by ghaff on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @02:10PM (#21261704)
We'll see what happens in the long run. With advances in smartphones and computational photography, interchangeable lens cameras increasingly look like a niche. And the big camera makers have been really slow to do anything other than incrementally tweak their bodies.

Clearly, they'll still be the go tos for pros and advanced amateurs for a long time but that's barely a mass market.

Sony did successfully use digital to become a respected camera maker--and they still have some of the best cameras in their category today. But, by and large, the traditional consumer electronics companies focused on point and shoots, which have been almost totally erased by phones.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by hinkley on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @05:07PM (#21263779)
You're not wrong. The upstarts may not have weathered the first rounds of the battle but I know people are pretty annoyed at the lock-in.

There was supposed to be a format standard for lenses to solve this problem, but one of my camera-snob friends pointed out that while you can physically thread the lens on another body, things like autofocus probably won't work. So in the end it got people to buy new lenses but still not be able to pick best of breed from each generation.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by linksnapzz on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @11:50AM (#21259739)
Right. Merchandise distribution, stockkeeping, delivery, returns, direct marketing...all these things needed to be invented from scratch by Jeff Bezos in the late '90s so that Amazon could be a success.

Likewise, I saw an actual, functioning prototype digital camera, which connected to a computer via serial...at the Kodak lab in Rochester where it was developed in the late 80s. It was never developed into a product, not because it was beyond them technically but because it didn't use film, which was what the company was all about selling.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by ghaff on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @11:56AM (#21259848)
Kodak was also early (probably too early) with photo digitization with PhotoCD. But, yeah, Kodak hadn't really sold cameras for years when digital came along. And it turned out that digital photography didn't really involve using services at photo dealers which was the part of distribution infrastructure where Kodak had some real assets.

Fujifilm had (somewhat) fewer issues with transitioning to digital mostly because they applied their technical expertise in emulsions to areas that had nothing to do with photography. (Though of course they stayed in the photo business as well.)

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by ianburrell on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @06:02PM (#21264417)
Also, Fuji had more recent experience in making film cameras and lenses. Mostly 35mm compacts and medium format cameras by 21st century.

Fuji did make pivot to mirrorless at the right time.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by madengr on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @12:30PM (#21260323)
"all these things needed to be invented from scratch by Jeff Bezos in the late '90s so that Amazon could be a success."

That's like saying Elon Musk invented the electric car and rocket. More like he hired people to do it, probably from the companies Amazon is competing with.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by hinkley on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @01:23PM (#21261090)
I worked at NCSA back in the mid 90's. Some of my coworkers had taken money from Kodak to work on software for a 4 megapixel camera they were doing R&D on. In like '95.

Back then there wasn't enough infrastructure to deal with 4M pictures, and they thought that you would send them a memory card and they'd send you a CDROM full of images and optionally 'develop' the pictures for you.

If anything, Kodak was too early, which is a phenomenon I experienced first hand at several startups.

Wikipedia says they started in that space in '91:

> In 1991, Kodak brought to market the Kodak DCS (Kodak Digital Camera System), the beginning of a long line of professional Kodak DCS SLR cameras that were based in part on film bodies, often Nikons. It used a 1.3 megapixel sensor, had a bulky external digital storage system and was priced at $13,000 (equivalent to $24,000 in 2018[6]). At the arrival of the Kodak DCS-200, the Kodak DCS was dubbed Kodak DCS-100.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by EricE on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @04:00PM (#21274826)
Exactly - Kodak was the first with high resolution digital SLRs with the DCS series: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kodak_DCS_400_series

I was there in 1995 - installing computers and supporting a organization with a group of photographers that had 5 of those cameras. We had 100mb PCMCIA micro hard drives - made by IBM - by the dozens (over $1500 a pop if I remember right). It took a minute and a half per picture to import the raw images into Photoshop on the highest end Mac Quadra. Somehow I stumbled on a company that made a DSP accelerator card ($5-$6K if I remember right) that cut that import time to 20-30 seconds, but it would still take a day for a photographer to import all their photos from shooting a day or two in the field.

The early days of digital photography were not pretty. I can do 10 times on my phone what we could do after spending literally 10's of thousands of dollars - and 1/4 the resolution we have today.

And yet with the right people it still managed to look really good :) One of the best things I learned was the strength of mastering the fundamental basics of any craft. I was working with experienced film photographers where developing film had a high cost in both time and materials so they were very deliberate in thinking about and composing shots before they shot. With digital I pointed out you could take a lot more pictures more quickly, and correct things in photoshop - but an old crusty photographer responded he'd rather spend his time on the front end of the process in the physical world with the camera then spending hours behind the desk in front of photoshop - and even as a computer geek that really resonated with me.

The old every hour of planning saves 8 of execution and all that.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by jsight on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @12:09PM (#21260037)
Honestly, I think you underestimate how much of a distribution and fulfillment network Sears had at their peak. It is easy to imagine way for them to have transitioned to the internet, offer similar delivery speeds to Amazon.

But to do so would have required a lot of forethought and vision. They would have needed to recognize the significance of online retail, free shipping, trustworthy customer service, and their fulfillment way back in the early or mid 90s.

I remember startups back then that didn't really recognize that, and I'm certain that old retail didn't.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by hinkley on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @01:35PM (#21261240)
I think the turning point for Amazon and thus for Sears was when Amazon's logistics could deliver a product faster than Sears.

I'd really like a refresher on what the retail climate was like at that time that lead Sears into thinking getting rid of their catalog was a good idea.

And why didn't Penny's jump into that vacuum?

Although I expect I already know that answer. I was warned by the oldest worker at my first tech job never to work as a software developer for a manufacturer. They don't understand where the uncertainty and the QA effort lives in the dev process and they keep trying to force it to look like what they know. Probably working for a retailer, even one with supply chain chops, would have been awful in that era.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by WorldMaker on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @06:54PM (#21264900)
I wonder how much of it was learning the wrong lessons from the relatively quick decline of Service Merchandise [1]. While a more "regional" competitor to Sears, Service Merchandise remained in the catalog game longer than Sears, was possibly the most successful catalog merchant of the 80s and 90s (depending on who you ask, and again some regional biases), and was also relatively active on the early internet (making millions apparently in internet sales in the early 1990s, ahead of Amazon).

Every article I see about Service Merchandise's decline blames the catalog business (despite doing well in internet sales) as being "too old fashioned" and the root cause, and certainly that's what people seemed to be thinking in the 90s (again, wow how they ignored those internet sales looking at the quoted figures). I'd love to see a better retrospective on the company's 1990's management given we saw Amazon succeed.

Maybe more so than Sears, the fact that Service Merchandise didn't compete better with Amazon is fascinating. Service Merchandise and Sears thought they were competing with Circuit City (dead), Wal-Mart, K-Mart (bought by Sears, dead), Target, rather than each other in the 1990s, and Amazon was left almost entirely uncontested to eat Sears and Service Merchandise's original core competencies.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_Merchandise

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by steverb on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @11:43AM (#21259660)
Amazon's current operation had little in common with their modern operation.

Sears had the order fulfillment and distribution know how.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by pedasmith on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @02:36PM (#21262041)
Did they really? My recollection is that they had a slow and inefficient pipeline that would never be able to handle the speed that Amazon fills order at.
Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by WorldMaker on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @07:10PM (#21265048)
History books claim Sears got slow and inefficient by focusing too much on retail and malls, and shutting down a lot of their classic logistics. In the 1990s they were absolutely slow as a catalog company. In the 1950s, for instance, they were considered fast and reliable. (For several decades the Chicago US Post Office was the largest branch in the country because of it serving Sears' warehouses.)
Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by ratsbane on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @11:09PM (#21266692)
I've been paying attention lately to https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/ and https://www.red.com/ They make video cameras which take interchangeable lenses, produce video and stills good enough to be used in feature films, and are relatively cheap (comparable to Leica and Hasselblad cameras from the film era.) They are positioning themselves to be successful where Nikon, Canon, et al are becoming increasingly irrelevant.

My Nikon DSLR is four or five years old now, but instead of replacing it with another Nikon I'm thinking about a Black Magic Pocket Cinema Camera. (https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/blackmagicpocketci...)

Video is the new still photography.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by dsfyu404ed on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @11:48AM (#21259715)
There is no fundamental difference between the workflow of a catalog based operation and a website based operation. In 1995 there were no "modern eCommerce operations" so any difference wouldn't have mattered anyone. Sears had as much experience doing direct to consumer sales as anyone could have possibly had at that time.
Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by ghaff on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @11:58AM (#21259871)
Then, LL Bean should have become Amazon. Sears was much more of a retail operation than a catalog operation at that point.
Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by monocasa on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @11:48AM (#21259713)
I mean, Kodak literally made the first digital camera as well.
Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by madengr on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @12:33PM (#21260357)
I still have a Kodak digital camera from > 20 years ago. It's great because:

It uses AA batteries

The resolution is low enough you don't need to post-process stuff to put in on a web page.

You just plug in USB to transfer files. No nonsense like trying to get photos off an iPhone.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by S_A_P on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @01:52PM (#21261473)
What nonsense? I grab the photos I want and airdrop them. It is probably 99% easy as I could imagine it to be without a brain to iPhone interface.
Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by paulddraper on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @08:32PM (#21265764)
(Which works if you are transferring to an airdrop-compatible device.)
Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by madengr on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @03:11PM (#21262454)
Does that work to windoze?
Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by foobarrio on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @01:48PM (#21261423)
Kodak isn’t the best example since they made a digital camera back in the 70’s and sat on the tech!
Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by code_duck on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @01:54PM (#21261507)
Kodak had a huge interest in selling photo paper and products related to film development.
Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by hinkley on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @01:15PM (#21260983)
It does seem to me like specialty retailers out in the middle of the mall have really upped their game over the last twenty years. I think the guests are getting sucked out into the middle of the mall for the boutique shops.

Except you can't find a book in most malls.

I've seen at least one mall expand, adding no additional department store space at the corners. Another tacked a Barnes and Noble onto the corner but not really attached (the exception to the 'no books in malls' situation). Two, including the former, added an 'outdoor' area, which was a walkway with shops and restaurants on both sides.

The weird thing about the B&N was they stuck it on the end of the mall that had high turnover in tenants. I never understood why they didn't knock out one storefront and put a hallway through. Maybe access space behind the stores was an issue?

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by RHSeeger on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @10:28AM (#21258733)
> I noticed the store filling up with Craftsman, Kenmore, and other Sears-branded junk.

Such a shame; Craftsman used to be THE name in home tools. If one broke, you could bring it back for a replacement... forever.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by RankingMember on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @11:01AM (#21259144)
You still can- Lowes carries Craftsman now and honors the forever warranty (no receipt needed) for tools purchased from other retailers. That said, if you have older USA-made Craftsman stuff I don't recommend warrantying them unless they're totally destroyed as you'll be given a modern cheaply-made Chinese tool. If it's something serviceable like a ratchet, better to buy a kit to repair it rather than hand it in.
Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by dehrmann on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @10:50PM (#21266602)
Craftsman has always been rebranded tools. They used to do a good job picking well-made tools, but now they're just cashing in on whatever value is left in the brand.
Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by RankingMember on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @08:27AM (#21269610)
They never made the tools themselves, yes, but they weren't exclusively re-brands. Rather, their tools were a mix of in-house designs (manufacturing outsourced) and re-brands.
Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by newnewpdro on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @06:06PM (#21264469)
This bait and switch infuriates me.
Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by delfinom on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @10:38AM (#21258855)
Now you can buy quite a few (not all) Home Depot (Husky) or Lowes (Kobalt) tools and come with the free replacement for life warranty. Like sockets/wrenches which Craftsman was popular for, you can now buy from the other 2 guys with lifetime warranty and the quality is on par.
Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by bluGill on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @11:30AM (#21259496)
Sort of. With the old sears they had all the replacements in stock with no hassle. I tried to warranty a Husky torque wrench once, they don't have that in store, so I get to hassle with contacting husky myself... I didn't the replacement same day to finish my project, so I went elsewhere and swore not to buy husky again because a warranty is meaningless if I can get a replacement when I need it.
Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by imglorp on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @02:01PM (#21261599)
Shucks, even Harbor Freight has lifetime warranty on hand tools.

At this point, I tend to get the cheap stuff first. If it survives your usage, great. If not, that's a sign to take the savings and get some quality for that one thing.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by davio on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @10:47AM (#21258975)
Lowes is heavily showcasing Craftsman tools now. I'd expect Kobalt to disappear as a brand.
Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by paulie_a on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @06:13PM (#21264522)
Harbor freight is pretty good.

The problem with home Depot online is there are way too many options. Sometimes fewer options are better

I like Wayfair much more for many things instead of home Depot. I can dial it in on the web search easily.

If I am buying from home Depot I'm going to the store. And props to them they have excellent customer service with genuinely knowledgeable people. Good luck using their search

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by paulddraper on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @08:33PM (#21265776)
Harbor Freight is the go-to place for buying a rarely used tool.

Ridiculously cheap, in both price and quality.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by airstrike on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @11:17AM (#21259337)
Probably thanks to Stanley Black & Decker acquiring Craftsman
Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by linuxftw on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @10:47AM (#21258978)
I bought a craftsman mower from Sears in the late 00's. It had a Briggs and Stratton engine, it was a great unit.

Sears has no identity anymore. It used to be the-place for appliances, automotive tools, and lawn equipment. Now it's like a Macy's with tools and lawn equipment.

I'm planning on picking up some scratch and dent applicances at the Sears outlet soon. That's really all I interact with Sears anymore.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by taurath on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @02:00PM (#21261583)
The department stores have the same sort of death spiral as malls - the quality drops, people stop going in, the quality drops again.

I’ve never in my life felt going to a department store I’d be met by someone knowledgeable in an area other than makeup.

One thing I’d have loved to see - an emphasis on customization and tailoring. Almost everyone could use a little custom tailoring for pants, blouses and shirts, and it does not scale online well at all as you need to be in person to get measured. If you like a shirt and it’s ill fitting, pay $15/20 for a cheap hem job and walk out feeling like a million bucks.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by mncharity on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @03:18PM (#21262533)
> One thing I’d have loved to see - an emphasis on customization and tailoring. [...] for pants [...]

That was a startup two decades back. Built on automated pattern cutting. MVP was customized khakis. You'd enter detailed measurements on a website; machine-cut parts were assembled "manually" the next-ish day; then FedEx. Had a little tag with a number, so you could order "just like N, but let out a 1/2 inch". It was nifty.

It was acquired by Levis, which mismanaged it into nonexistence. Last-ish factory in the US providing that assembly closed, plus the patent, and that was the end of that. IIRC.

Perhaps in China? Years back, if you needed a new wardrobe of suits, it was worth a trip to HK just for that.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by mywittyname on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @03:28PM (#21262648)
Do you really benefit much from having robots do the cutting? I suspect most of the skill and costs are in the assembly.

Modern Tailor offers MtM clothing starting at like $50.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by mncharity on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @07:46PM (#21265397)
It's mass-production sewing, just with non-uniform stock. The customized pattern cutting provides the customized fit. Instead of boxes full of identically-cut pieces to be assembled, there's a packet with someone's customized pieces. Which is why the US getting out of mass-production apparel manufacturing was a problem.

Perhaps this was a niche in which US apparel manufacturing might have remained viable, with customization and shipping proximity supporting the extra US costs. It seems regrettable that the possibility wasn't better explored.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by mywittyname on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @03:25PM (#21262608)
> I’ve never in my life felt going to a department store I’d be met by someone knowledgeable in an area other than makeup.

Coincidentally, this is likely the highest margin department in the store.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by bobthepanda on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @04:16PM (#21263222)
I don't know if they still do this, but Uniqlo offered in store tailoring for their jeans when I went to one of their massive NYC stores years ago.
Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by coredog64 on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @05:25PM (#21264002)
Yes, they still do. IIRC, alterations like length are free.
Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by taurath on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @06:07PM (#21264478)
Thats great - do you know if they do it for shirts?
Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by JohnJamesRambo on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @10:04AM (#21258432)
I still have my parents’ riding Craftsman mower from over 20 years ago and it runs like a top, so maybe at some point they made good mowers. It has an engine with a spin on oil filter like a car and I attribute the engine longevity to that. My Mom has been through like three riding Craftsman mowers since then and each one seems more cheap and crappy than the last. The latest one is like a playskool mower with the dumbing down of the controls and big colorful plastic levers.
Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by ganoushoreilly on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @10:13AM (#21258535)
Lowes recently started carrying The black and Decker version of Craftsman and they're pretty adamant about advertising the warranty is back. Then again, who knows if that's accurate.

I try to pickup old craftsman tools (and matco / Snapon) when I go to garage sales. The older stuff was great.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by hinkley on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @01:47PM (#21261406)
Lots of brands are doing this.

We had Corelle dishes as a kid and when I dropped a plate and it exploded on hitting the floor, we all stood there just staring at it because nobody in 8 years had broken a single dish from that set. Mine landed perfectly flat upside down, and buckled. The new ones are so thin you can practically see through them.

I had a friend who went to yard sales looking for vintage Corningware dishes because the old ones were more shatter resistant.

IIRC she claimed the old ones were stovetop safe as well, which was a surprise to me because I never knew anyone growing up who used them that way. I think Emile Henry may be the only ceramic cookware you can do that with today, and those are chonky. Light, but chonky.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by wahern on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @04:45PM (#21263531)
Corning Pyrex used to be made of borosilicate glass (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borosilicate_glass) and was similar to the type of glass used for lab equipment. The Chinese manufacturer who bought the Pyrex brand switched to cheaper and more prevalent soda-lime glass, which is arguably more drop resistant.

There are manufacturers selling borosilicate glass cookware; just look for "borosilicate" when searching. There are at least a couple of brands that sell this on Amazon. Though thickness and overall durability is a different matter and perhaps even the modern borosilicate items still pale in comparison to older products.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by hinkley on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @04:58PM (#21263675)
Yeah I got into this conversation with her after a hot 'pyrex' dish exploded and damaged the linoleum in my apartment. She suggested I go yard sale hunting for old Pyrex.

I was talking about the white casserole dishes also made by Corning. Wikipedia says it's called pyroceram. Also says it was an accidental discovery while trying to invent something else.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by okcando on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @12:17AM (#21266992)
I still get Corelle branded dishes, like you see at Walmart these days. I haven't broken one yet; they're remarkably durable compared to your usual ceramic pieces. That they're thin and light and a little translucent like china is just icing on the cake.

I like them a lot. Can't say how they compare to the Corelle of old but they're definitely solid.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by wavefunction on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @10:39AM (#21258875)
Craftsman and Kenmore still retain their reputations even if they don't match their quality of decades past. I inherited a Craftsman table saw with an electric motor from the 1960s that my grandfather used to finish his house at the time. All it needed were new belts and blades.

More recently I purchased a house with a Kenmore Elite range whose only detriment from perfection is that it's an electric rather than gas range.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by linuxftw on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @10:50AM (#21259011)
I don't think either of those brands have maintained their reputation. Everyone knows Craftsman is overpriced junk riding on yesterday's heritage. People old enough to know Craftsman was a good brand know enough about tools to see they're junk now.
Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by Blackthorn on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @11:26AM (#21259440)
Yeah. People are saying that Tekton is the new Craftsman (for hand tools anyway, they don't sell anything with a motor in it). I haven't seen anyone recommend actual Craftsman brand in a long time.
Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by bluGill on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @11:33AM (#21259535)
Tekton cannot be the new craftsman until I can get a replacement within one hour anywhere in the US on a Saturday. Craftsman was never as good as Snap-on (or other professional brands), but when (as anyone who works on their own stuff knows it isn't if it is when) I broke a tool there was a sears close by with a replacement so I could finish the job.
Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by inferiorhuman on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @12:37PM (#21260401)
Tekton cannot be the new craftsman until I can get a replacement within one hour anywhere in the US on a Saturday.

If you're in a market where Amazon does 1-day delivery it's close. Otherwise there's Harbor Freight. For the most part though, the quality was good enough that if you were breaking your Craftsman hand tools you were doing something wrong.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by bluGill on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @01:20PM (#21261058)
What I was doing wrong was putting a 6 foot (2 meter) pipe on the wrench trying to get enough leverage. Either the bolt came out, or the wrench broke. When the bolt has been in there for > 10 years - through MN road salt each winter - the proper torque won't get the bolt out.
Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by inferiorhuman on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @04:02PM (#21263022)
10 years - through MN road salt each winter - the proper torque won't get the bolt out.

That's what heat and impact are for.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by bluGill on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @09:41AM (#21270195)
As a kid I didn't have those options. I agree they are better, but if your parents didn't buy those tools you can't use them. Heat is also fire, which means more care needs to be taken.
Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by inferiorhuman on Thursday October 17, 2019 @08:59PM (#21287747)
I agree they are better, but if your parents didn't buy those tools you can't use them.

Yes, you could spend the money on (air, electric) powered impact tools. You could even spend the money on a hand driven impact driver (much less expensive than the powered option).

Or you could grab a length of pipe and a hammer, slip the pipe over your tools and bang on it. This works better with things that aren't designed to ratchet and uses bits and ends you're more likely to have around the house (or find secondary uses for) than power tools.

Heat is also fire, which means more care needs to be taken.

Which also depends on your budget. They're fantastically expensive but inductive heaters are great for helping break things loose in a safe manner.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by paulie_a on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @06:18PM (#21264569)
And a sledge hammer

That's how I got an o2 sensor out that was completely locked. I spent four hours on it previously. A torch a cheap wrench and a sledge later I had it replaced

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by wavefunction on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @11:32AM (#21259516)
Y'all are probably right at least with Craftsman, I haven't bought any Craftsman products and haven't seen their products appear in my research on the best-of-breed for * tool.

They do seem to be assembling their tools in America which is a plus for me.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by kevin_thibedeau on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @06:09PM (#21264484)
I have a Craftsman mower that won't die after 10+ years. Many Craftsman labeled products retained decent quality. The trick was to find those that were from high quality OEMs.
Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by kirykl on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @10:37AM (#21258847)
Kenmore refrigerators have somehow consistently maintained great scores from Consumer Reports. But I think they're actually made by Whirlpool however
Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by froindt on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @01:07PM (#21260858)
I used to work in that industry.

Sears had no manufacturing, so they contracted it out. I believe the design was their own, but I'm not positive. Whirlpool was commonly the manufacturer, though it varies by year. Other manufacturers could offer a lower price (attractive for Sears) but had other issues, so the contract commonly went back to Whirlpool.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by taylodl on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @11:05AM (#21259187)
I have a Kenmore refrigerator that's nearly 40 years old and still running great. I'm going to hate it when that thing goes and I have to replace it with today's junk.
Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by shiftpgdn on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @11:15AM (#21259301)
I'm not sure where you live but the payback on a modern refrigerator is likely within a year due to electricity consumption costs. Old refrigerators are crazy inefficient.
Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by wrycoder on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @01:22PM (#21261079)
My 30 year old refrigerator uses about $9 worth of electricity per month. If I bought one which was twice as efficient, I’d save about $55 a year. That’s a 20 year payback (neglecting lost investment opportunity) for a $1100 model, plus the replacement hassle. So, I expect to run it until it breaks.
Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by triceratops on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @11:53AM (#21259799)
A year sounds crazy optimistic. The new fridge would have to lower the power bill by $1000. That's as much as some households spend on all electricity in a year.
Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by rasz on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @11:58AM (#21259876)
VWestlife did a walkaround video of a Sears mall about to be closed in 2017 - shows everything you just said about the place, old, decrepit, neglected, run like it was meant to lose money.

"A last look at Sears - Route 22, Watchung NJ (built in 1965)" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbzAd_DtswM

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by inferiorhuman on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @12:34PM (#21260358)
run like it was meant to lose money

Sadly, that's why they're entering bankruptcy. The current CEO has little to no interest in keeping Sears alive, but they make a decent piggy bank.

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by foogoloo on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @03:25PM (#21262612)
Ouch. That Sears is what I remember K-mart looking like in the 80’s. If that’s what most Sears have been like lately, then I’m not surprised they went under.
Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by newnewpdro on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @06:04PM (#21264445)
> The power tools and lawn equipment were never really any good.

Not never, they used to be awesomely utilitarian and rugged, but that's back in 60s-70s.

My dad still uses his all-steel construction Sears snowblower and had a Sears cast aluminum-housed 2-stroke chainsaw until seizing the motor with a bad mix of gas ~7 years ago :(. These were both from the 70s, fabulous tools, built to last.

> Craftsman hand tools were decent until the mid-2000's when they started changing warranty policies.

Yes, in my opinion when I started getting new Craftsman ratchets from Sears which appeared to be both refurbished and needed replacing just weeks after purchase, it was the beginning of the end. Prior to that, the writing was already on the wall when we couldn't easily get parts for the aforementioned snowblower and chainsaw from the service/parts department. It used to be a sure thing even in the 90s, 20 years after purchase!

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by Fricken on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @11:05AM (#21259190)
I'm not 100% sure why, but for me Sears has always been the trusted name in vacuum cleaners, and for a decade until Sears closed I went there for vacuum cleaner bags, every couple years or so. It never occurred to me to go to Sears for any other reason.
Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by chipotle_coyote on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @11:15AM (#21259306)
I know my mom had a Kenmore canister vacuum cleaner for decades before it finally broke -- it worked and despite being a plastic canister, it was clearly very well-made; she replaced it with a more "high-end" brand, I think a Sebo, that she doesn't like as much.

I know they were always made for Sears by another company, just like Radio Shack's "exclusive" brands, but I don't know who made them in the 1980s. (It appears Panasonic had been making them during the 2000s, but some information I've found suggests that Panasonic got out of that business entirely in 2016.)

Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by mark-r on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @09:22PM (#21266100)
I gave up on Sears finally when I needed a vacuum cleaner part, something like a filter that would need regular replacement. I went to a Sears that had a parts department, and saw that they still sold the vacuum I had. But the parts department didn't have the part in stock - they suggested I could order it and wait for it to come in. I said no thanks, I could buy it online for half the price and have it shipped to my house, saving a trip back to the store.
Re:Sears Hasn’t Fared Better After Bankruptcy by rascul on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @12:26PM (#21260277)
> If you buy a 'Craftsman' mower, you're getting the same Chinese-engined lawnmower that you buy at the same price point at any other store.

Craftsman (riding) mowers are made by MTD and use either Kohler or Briggs and Stratton engines. Pretty sure most of that is made in the US. I find MTD to be sub par, though.