It's effectively an enormous tax credit for EVs. I'm sure of the US govt increased the federal tax credit for EVs from $7.5k to $40-60k, you'd see similar adoption in the US too.

So not as much of a discount as you might have thought.

CO2, NOx and others are just-as, if not more important and your air filter won't do jack diddly for those.

I absolutely, unequivocally, did not say that.

Seriously, sell your car and take the bus.

1: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particulates

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

What if the added costs to ICE vehicles are less than the environmental costs they incur?

I'm not saying that's definitely the case or not, but just because ICEs spend money on mitigation doesn't mean they are not still getting a subsidy. You are acting like it is obviously wrong because ICEs do some things to mitigate pollution, which is clearly not obvious.

https://www.ucsusa.org/clean-vehicles/vehicles-air-pollution...

Are there brake pad emission standards? I don’t know.

https://www.tesla.com/no_NO/support/incentives?redirect=no

Edit: from an old reddit post, it seems like there's a VAT, weight, engine, CO2, N0x tax. In theory, in an 'even playing field', I'm guessing EVs should be paying VAT, weight, and engine taxes. Not completely sure which of these they pay (or if the list is even correct).

I get your point, but to be fair, the numbers in your comparison are a bit off, since a $40-60k tax credit would make many electric cars effectively free. That would be a much bigger incentive than what Norway has.

Seems heat really kills these things :)

I found a life expectation chart for 3 US cities at [0].

It's well know that high temperatures (while in use and while in storage) degrade li-ion batteries[1]. However, electric cars have thermal management systems to try to protect the batteries from this effect (extreme heat and cold). Tesla have active water cooling, while Nissan Leaf use a simpler air cooling.

They also use different battery chemistries that handle temperatures differently. If you have a look quick look at this talk[2] you'll hear that Nissan is using a chemistry that experience higher degradation under high temperatures than for example Tesla's choice.

[0]: https://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/hot-weather-bad-for-electric...

[1]: https://www.plugincars.com/lithium-ion-batteries-can’t-stand...

[2]: https://youtu.be/pxP0Cu00sZs?t=1516

The Leaf was notorious for not actually cooling the battery so I can see how they would do better in Norway. Maybe the newest generations have improved on that. I'd be curious if that was the same for Tesla though, which supposedly keeps the battery temperate under much better control.

And your vehicle is exposed to more moderated temperatures if parked indoors (even the pad of an unheated garage retains heat).

Plenty of parts of the US and Canada deal with much colder temperatures for months at a time.

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/07/15/tesla-range-plotted-rel...

It would be nice to see plots for ranges of temps below 0C or temperatures where AC is desired.

I think a lot of people think of Norway in winter like they think of N. Minnesota in winter.

With a combustion engine you use waste heat, but with a battery engine you use resistive heat and that comes right from your battery.

A/C also uses battery, but heat uses more energy.

Recommendation #2: pre-heat the cabin

Recommendation #3: if/when driving in stop&go traffic, use the regen energy directly for heating to save some charge/discharge cycles.

Recommendation #4: along with #2, use some phase change materials to “charge” some thermal batteries.

#1&2 are a thing. Not sure about 3 and 4.

3 may require some predictive modelling to know if you’ll be driving in stop&go or not.

I believe this is because most vehicles do a fixed amount of regen(which goes into the battery) when the foot is off the accelerator, but no additional electric braking when the brake pedal is used. I think that's because current regulations have pretty much stopped modifications to the braking system in cars, and prevent tweaking it to do electric braking when available to do cabin heating, and mechanical braking otherwise.

[1] - https://www.amazon.com/J-Jinpei-Lightweight-Intelligent-Temp...

I can't speak for all cars, but mine uses a heat pump for heat. Should have similar efficiency to A/C as that is exactly what a heat pump is.

http://cdn.agilitycms.com/mesca/productdownloads/mem-201806-... (page 13)

House geothermic heating is very similar, except the collector is buried under the ground where the temperature doesn't really go negative C (until -30C and depends on the soil, etc). Overall for EV cars in cold winters producing heat is a non-trivial task.

Even if it's just "legislative decisions", it's fucking incredible that a country did what it did to get there. Do you really think the US is 2 inches away from shutting out it's internal big-oil?

Even if tech isn't the solution, and it's just decisions, it can still be remarkable.

Your facts are correct, but that makes it no less interesting or incredible.

> I'm sure of the US govt increased the federal tax credit for EVs from $7.5k to $40-60k, you'd see similar adoption in the US too.

Okay. And if such an event happened, you'd not think it incredible?

EVs are free (or significantly cheaper) on most toll roads, parking, and pay at most 50% of regular fees for ferries.

Owning an old short range EV as a second car can easily save you 1800€ a year[1] in toll fees alone. Even an old electric wreck is easily worth 10000€ just in reduced toll fees if it's able to do 5 more years of just rolling past that toll station barrier. Even banged up and with a 50% degraded battery the car is still valuable, as long as it can get you to work and back home again.

There was a time some years ago when you could essentially cover the down payments for a Tesla Model S from saved ferry fees if your daily commute crossed Trondheimsfjorden (cost like 30 USD per way, this "bug" has since been fixed, you now have to pay 50% of the ticket).

[1]: https://www.nrk.no/rogaland/dette-vil-bomringen-koste-deg-1....