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Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by ultimoo on Monday April 29, 2013 @05:05PM (#5628757)
I like how wikipedia presents its contents in a usable way on IE5.

This is awesome and most likely a part of their mission to make knowledge as accessible as possible. I have seen old, low-end donated PCs that are rife in elementary education in rural India and I'm sure in other developing countries as well. I am sure that these machines will be able to render wikipedia just fine!

Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by ibrahima on Monday April 29, 2013 @07:07PM (#5629453)
I think it's more likely that they simply haven't felt the need to update their styling much in the past decade or so. And last I checked the home page uses tables for layout, so it would make sense that it works on IE5, since that's what everyone did back then.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by TazeTSchnitzel on Monday April 29, 2013 @07:28PM (#5629530)
Actually, they did do a big styling change a year or two ago.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by futhey on Monday April 29, 2013 @09:27PM (#5629940)
I feel like this is a more sufficient explanation than the one provided by the author. The front-end people at wikipedia probably remember the hoops they jumped through to work within IE5's quirks, and developed best practices that still happen to work out in that context.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by pinko on Monday April 29, 2013 @04:07PM (#5628370)
You've got to appreciate the irony of microsoft.com being among the worst of the ten (if not the very worst) to render.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by smoyer on Monday April 29, 2013 @04:37PM (#5628554)
And yet you still have a "command prompt" so that you can run your DOS programs as well as "compatibility mode" so that older applications can run on the post-XP systems.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by ajross on Monday April 29, 2013 @04:42PM (#5628598)
That's backwards, though. MS wants to enable new systems to run old software, and they do this very well. The case in hand is running old software against new content, which they don't care about. The relevant comparison would be running IE10 against a cached copy of some website from 1999. I suspect that test would work rather well.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by smoyer on Monday April 29, 2013 @05:10PM (#5628808)
Well ... I do agree that both the standards and best-practices for creating web content have changed, but I'm pretty sure the most recent version of Excel will open a document I created in the '90s. You could argue they have complete control of both the software and the document format in that instance, but the IE browsers never bothered to be standards compliant anyway ("older IE browsers" - I've been pleasantly surprised by IE9 and IE10).
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by mhurron on Monday April 29, 2013 @05:36PM (#5628978)
> I'm pretty sure the most recent version of Excel will open a document I created in the '90s.

Backwards compatibility is not the same as forwards compatibility, you seem to be confusing them.

You expect an application like Excel to open something made before by an earlier version. MS knows how to handle that format. However, you do not expect Excel 95 to open a xlsx file, it was a format that did not exist when Excel 95 was created.

Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by LekkoscPiwa on Monday April 29, 2013 @06:45PM (#5629352)
I think that you are confusing backwards/forwards compatibility with the point the OP seemed to be making: Microsoft never bothered to follow the web standards.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by magic_haze on Monday April 29, 2013 @11:09PM (#5630222)
Agreed, but... the standards themselves have changed since 1999.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by LekkoscPiwa on Tuesday April 30, 2013 @04:38AM (#5631016)
Yeah, it seems Microsoft always has had good excuses. I wonder if other browsers from that period would have as poor results as IE5 does. I seriously doubt it.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by yuhong on Wednesday May 01, 2013 @02:56AM (#5636829)
Well the main competitor was Netscape 4, which was even worse.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by LekkoscPiwa on Thursday May 02, 2013 @06:41AM (#5643565)
What exactly was worse in Netscape? Because I just loved using it.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by yuhong on Thursday May 02, 2013 @02:07PM (#5646206)
It's extremely bad and buggy CSS support, which was even worse than even IE4, let along IE5.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by bashinator on Monday April 29, 2013 @05:31PM (#5628950)
But the point is that a '90s copy of Excel running would not remotely be able to consume and display a modern .XLSX data file. Going back to the original point, this is why it's impressive that Wikipedia are able to display their site to such an old browser, and ironic that MS doesn't.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by atesti on Monday April 29, 2013 @05:41PM (#5629012)
Unfortunately Microsoft has disabled or removed quite some import filters. e.g. you can't open a PowerPoint 4 file anywhere anymore. They also disabled Works and Word Perfect filters. Probably a victim of the secure coding guidelines: Might have bugs ==> remove feature
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by yuhong on Monday April 29, 2013 @05:47PM (#5629057)
It is because of security issues with old code that probably mostly dates back to Office 97 or older. How often do you receive Word 6.0 documents via email nowadays?
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by andyroid on Monday April 29, 2013 @07:03PM (#5629441)
How one receieves such documents is irrelevant. Some years ago a relative passed away, leaving hundreds of such documents on her antique computer. Luckily there was free software available that would still allow us to take part of her legacy. But of course, we could just as well have burnt her computer to ashes, as something so ancient must obviously be a security issue.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by yuhong on Monday April 29, 2013 @08:41PM (#5629802)
These files came from a source that can be trusted and are much different from random email attachments. Look up "spear phishing" for example. Most of the converters that still exist can be reenabled in the registry in case you still need to open these files. Office 2010 even provides UI for these options.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by mbell on Monday April 29, 2013 @07:40PM (#5629575)
Window's console app has nothing to do with the ability to run DOS applications and the bit that actually does, the DOS virtual machine, doesn't exist on 64-bit versions of windows.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by jpswade on Tuesday April 30, 2013 @04:49AM (#5631045)
No. MS-DOS programs won't run on Windows. CMD isn't DOS.

You need something like FreeDOS or DOSbox to run the old DOS programs these days.

Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by guard-of-terra on Monday April 29, 2013 @05:22PM (#5628887)
"Command prompt", i.e. terminal, is what makes you toy a computer. If you don't have one, it's still a toy.

MS did a lot to turn their lame "DOS command prompt" into a command line terminal; not enough, but a lot.

So no, "command prompt" has nothing to do with DOS. You can run DOS programs from the GUI as well.

Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by markdown on Monday April 29, 2013 @06:37PM (#5629318)
Wow, you must be some sort of L33T H4X0r or something. You're the real deal. Everyone else is just playing with toys.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by warfangle on Monday April 29, 2013 @06:16PM (#5629215)
Just because the computer in my microwave doesn't have a GUI or a CLI doesn't mean it isn't a computer.

The first computers dealt with input via switches and levers. I don't think anyone would call the Colossus[0] a toy, and it had nothing resembling the command prompt that we know today.

0. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_computer

Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by guard-of-terra on Monday April 29, 2013 @06:20PM (#5629234)
Your computer in microwave is not a computer. You can't run custom programs on it, it's not turing complete for you in this sense.

To run custom programs on it, you'll need to add a terminal to it or succumb to the sin of batch processing.

Colossus wasn't actually turing complete. It wasn't a computer except in historic sense.

Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by to3m on Monday April 29, 2013 @06:36PM (#5629314)
You can use a GUI-based programming system. An example might be Devpac (68000 assembly language editor/assembler/debugger) on the Atari ST.

(You could get command shells for the ST, because it was a programmable computer, so of course you could make it do pretty much whatever you wanted if you were willing to put the effort in. But the system didn't ship with a command line interface and (as I recall...) most of the programming environments - at least the ones popular in Europe - didn't include one either.)

Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by guard-of-terra on Monday April 29, 2013 @08:09PM (#5629680)
GUI-based system still needs command shell or it will lose a lot of flexibility arising from being able to evaluate small bits of code and therefore code incrementally.

"Immediate mode" counts.

Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by warfangle on Monday April 29, 2013 @09:17PM (#5629909)
Command shell, GUI, it's all software. If you have an x86 machine without an operating system on it, is it a computer?

Is an iOS device not a computer because it doesn't have a CLI?

What about a hypothetical computer that uses your brain as input - would that have a CLI? CLI/GUI/etc is irrelevant to the definition of computer.

Unless you're just being a pedantic troll, in which case kudos :)

Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by guard-of-terra on Tuesday April 30, 2013 @04:51AM (#5631050)
"If you have an x86 machine without an operating system on it, is it a computer" No, it's a pile of iron and silicon.

"Is an iOS device not a computer because it doesn't have a CLI?" Not after you buy it, you have to turn it into a computer.

"What about a hypothetical computer that uses your brain as input - would that have a CLI?" It sure will, how else will you use it?

It's not pedantism. Pedantism is about meaning of words. My rant is about meaning of concepts. If you hit nails with your microscope, it's not a microscope for you but rather a lame hammer.

Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by pasquinelli on Monday April 29, 2013 @07:28PM (#5629529)
Your computer in microwave is not a computer.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by com2kid on Monday April 29, 2013 @06:30PM (#5629289)
> MS did a lot to turn their lame "DOS command prompt" into a command line terminal; not enough, but a lot.

Then they made PowerShell, which removes any complaints one might have!

Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by guelo on Tuesday April 30, 2013 @03:37AM (#5630856)
My main complaint with PowerShell is that you can't pipe one command to another.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by fabriceleal on Tuesday April 30, 2013 @04:35AM (#5631000)
What do you mean? You can do stuff like this:

ps | where { $_.name -like "*host" } | foreach { $_.id | out-host }

Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by guard-of-terra on Monday April 29, 2013 @08:07PM (#5629674)
Well, not any. For example, still no built-in decent package manager able to download and install software along with dependencies.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by kalleboo on Tuesday April 30, 2013 @12:53AM (#5630482)
I didn't know bash or zsh had a built-in package manager!
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by guard-of-terra on Tuesday April 30, 2013 @04:48AM (#5631044)
I didn't know "command line terminal" equals "bash or zsh"!

Of course I'm talking ecosystem here.

Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by shadowfox on Tuesday April 30, 2013 @08:43AM (#5631772)
You may be moving your goal posts here a bit.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by akandiah on Monday April 29, 2013 @09:49PM (#5630007)
I believe he/she was being sarcastic there :)
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by speiler on Monday April 29, 2013 @04:41PM (#5628581)
I'd argue that they have the most incentive for the users to move off of ie5. That being said a message that tells users how to update would be much better then a partially rendered mess.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by yuhong on Monday April 29, 2013 @04:41PM (#5628586)
Well, IE5 is out of support now.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by olegbl on Monday April 29, 2013 @05:05PM (#5628762)
I think it makes sense. They have the most incentive for people to stop using their outdated product (it's hard restoring the image of software like IE).
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by evanbriggs on Monday April 29, 2013 @04:18PM (#5628419)
Haha, I was just thinking that myself.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by mistercow on Monday April 29, 2013 @05:19PM (#5628862)
I think it's doing Wikipedia a disservice to say that it looks good because it's "minimalist" or "static content". There has obviously been a lot of work put into making Wikipedia work well in every browser.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by TazeTSchnitzel on Monday April 29, 2013 @07:30PM (#5629540)
Indeed. They also have Wikipedia Zero, a program to get phone networks in some developing countries to remove mobile internet charges when accessing Wikipedia on phones.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by chrismorgan on Monday April 29, 2013 @06:30PM (#5629285)
The sad thing is that I was actually needing to use IE5 in February. A Windows 2000 Server machine in India which had been unused for a few years but was being pressed back into service. And Windows Update seemed to need IE6 to be able to install IE6. With a separately-sourced IE6 installer, I did finally get it up to IE6, but I couldn't manage to get it up to IE6 SP1 even then.

IE5 was certainly rather painful to use. Google did not work correctly under it. Microsoft's sites were just about the most painful to browse.

Owing to some malware on the system hijacking some DNS things and some further DNS misconfiguration I couldn't even get Firefox for a while... but I did eventually restore order to the machine and get Firefox 10 ESR installed on it. (The latest supported version to work on Windows 2000.)

Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by yuhong on Monday April 29, 2013 @08:51PM (#5629838)
The IE6 SP1 installer is still available from MS:

http://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/download/details.aspx?id=1

Of course do be warned that you are using unsupported software that had not received security updates since July 2010.

Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by eru on Tuesday April 30, 2013 @06:30AM (#5631315)
Why did anyone bother to press that ancient machine back into service? And why did they not just wipe the hard disk and put up a new copy of the OS on it, especially if there's malware on it?
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by sharkweek on Monday April 29, 2013 @04:53PM (#5628672)
I bet Hacker News would look fantastic in IE5, tables and all
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by nwh on Monday April 29, 2013 @06:03PM (#5629141)
Yep, in IE 5.5 it looks peachy.

http://i.imgur.com/XulRdv4.png

Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by yuhong on Monday April 29, 2013 @04:56PM (#5628695)
And they can make the up/down arrows work in even older browsers by using document.images instead of document.getElementById.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by stfu on Monday April 29, 2013 @05:01PM (#5628734)
And rightfully so!

I would love to see more websites offering a no-frills version for older browsers, mobile browsers, smaller screens, etc.

Once I know that a site provides a specific value to me I really don't care about design and usability anymore.

Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by scottrblock on Tuesday April 30, 2013 @12:23AM (#5630413)
That seems to be the goal of the Universal ie6 [0] project, albiet for ie6!

[0]- https://code.google.com/p/universal-ie6-css/

Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by monsterix on Monday April 29, 2013 @04:32PM (#5628510)
Believe it or not, in my previous company people were happy with IE4/5/6. I mean really happy with the blue icon in the middle of their screen. They did not want to move to IE7 even because it was simply "enough" for them. Happy married life, complete in all respects. And this was year 2011, not very far back.

Even in China, they say, a significant percentage of population lives happily with IE6 or below. Don't know the latest stats, but I am sure not much has changed there for good. If captain Jack Sparrow needs a broken compass for navigation, then broken compass is exactly what he'd use for navigation. What can anyone do about it?

[Edits: Jack Sparrow]

Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by majke on Monday April 29, 2013 @04:50PM (#5628651)
Yes, I'd like to see some chinese sites on the list.

For what I can test http://www.alibaba.com/ looks decent in IE6.

One in four browsers in china are IE6. Source: http://www.ie6countdown.com/

(can someone check baidu.com, qq.com, sina.com.cn, csdn.net, alibaba.com in IE5?)

Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by melling on Monday April 29, 2013 @05:21PM (#5628882)
Just depends on the source. According to this, active users is less than 5%:

http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser_version-CN-monthly-201203...

Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by dherken on Tuesday April 30, 2013 @12:46AM (#5630465)
All 5 pages render fine on IE 5 (I cannot read the text though). Only baidu gives me a JS error message, but seems to work regardless...
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by infinita740 on Monday April 29, 2013 @04:32PM (#5628512)
Look way more decent than I thought, google is apparently the only one really supporting ie5 as their interface seems absolutely unchanged.

Also noticed the irony of microsoft.com being the worst, maybe it shows that the company wants to move forward, maybe it's just lazyness/rationalisation.

Also it's kind of abvious that amazon works well, they don't want to lose potentials customers (maybe same for google)

Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by mynameisvlad on Monday April 29, 2013 @06:07PM (#5629170)
Doesn't shock me. They're one of the biggest proponents of trying to get people to update their browsers. They created http://www.ie6countdown.com/ after all.

It's also probably near impossible to get their current site working on IE5, and to make a completely separate site just for them (and it's a really really small percentage of worldwide users) would be highly cost prohibitive.

Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by udp on Tuesday April 30, 2013 @07:21AM (#5631459)
> They're one of the biggest proponents of trying to get people to update their browsers.

Oh, so that's why they wanted my grandma to buy a new version of Windows (and a new computer to meet the system requirements) just to update Internet Explorer.

Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by mynameisvlad on Tuesday April 30, 2013 @05:34PM (#5635024)
Windows XP supports up to IE8, Vista IE9 and 7 IE10. There's only so much you can do when an OS is on life support, and making sacrifices just to give an OS another version of IE is just stupid.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by udp on Wednesday May 08, 2013 @07:08PM (#5677675)
The very latest versions of Firefox and Chrome don't seem to have a problem supporting older versions of Windows.

Can you tell me more about these sacrifices that would have to be made? I'm genuinely interested.

Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by blktiger on Monday April 29, 2013 @05:09PM (#5628802)
I absolutely love the irony there. Then again, I can't really knock them for not making their website work on IE 5 since they don't support that browser any more.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by warfangle on Monday April 29, 2013 @06:14PM (#5629203)
It looks like the microsoft site is "feature detecting" at some level, and serving up a really basic mobile-oriented site. Think feature phone web browser.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by sliverstorm on Monday April 29, 2013 @04:46PM (#5628621)
I doubt Google "supports" ie5, their home page is just ultra-stripped down. Before they added that toolbar at the top, it was a text box and three or four links. Not much to mess up.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by TazeTSchnitzel on Monday April 29, 2013 @07:34PM (#5629557)
No, that's recognisably the more basic version they serve to older browsers.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by bicknergseng on Monday April 29, 2013 @04:58PM (#5628710)
And for my next magic trick, popular modern video games rendered in 256 bit color.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by malkia on Monday April 29, 2013 @05:31PM (#5628952)
20 or so years ago, I've got a Hercules card for my dear old 386 machine - Good resolution at the time, but just two colors. There are couple of good games - Star Control II, Trolls, etc. that I've liked and what I did was first to disable the VGA detection, second was to find where the back buffer was in the game, and if there was none (Star Control II), point to my allocated.

Then on the fly convert 320x200x256 colors to monochrome - I mean it was very silly - just pick one of the bits - and with some experiments it worked (no, it's not the way to go in general - but I was able to play).

That was dog slow, but it felt like smoking something, getting high - it didn't matter that the game was unplayable (10fps or less) - it was the fact that it worked!!!

Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by Samuel_Michon on Monday April 29, 2013 @05:27PM (#5628916)
I think you mean 8-bit, which allows for 256 colors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_depth

Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by Moto7451 on Monday April 29, 2013 @08:17PM (#5629712)
Probably not too far off:

Doom 3 on a VooDoo 2 SLI setup: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUVXAl0dgYY

Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by ijk on Monday April 29, 2013 @05:19PM (#5628865)
256 colors? Why so high? And not, say, running on a monochrome text terminal? http://www.jfedor.org/aaquake2/
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by alan_cx on Monday April 29, 2013 @05:08PM (#5628784)
Sort of....ish....

Have a look what the Far Cry 3 people have created with Blood Dragon. Dont have to buy it, just have a look on youtube.

Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by mwsherman on Tuesday April 30, 2013 @12:17AM (#5630397)
Similarly interesting would be the rendering of these sites with IE5’s competitors, i.e. the major browsers available in 1999. This would have been Netscape 4.5 and some version of AOL, presumably.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by dherken on Tuesday April 30, 2013 @12:41AM (#5630456)
This would be fun, I'll try to get Netscape Navigator 4.5 and AOL Explorer 1.? running...
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by TheAnimus on Tuesday April 30, 2013 @06:57AM (#5631391)
Didn't AOL switch to hosting an IE object around IE4 time?
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by drucken on Tuesday April 30, 2013 @01:13AM (#5630519)
It is not really enough to just compare looks.

For example, even Amazon sites on Firefox 3.6.* browsers in the last couple of months show extremely inconsistent behaviour, e.g. inability to submit new searches after an existing search.

I suspect the only sites that actually work on that list without significant issues are Google and Wikipedia, both optimized to be highly compatible.

Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by usablebytes on Tuesday April 30, 2013 @12:27AM (#5630423)
Wikipedia stood good there. I'm sure with Netscape's then version, the scene would have been even worse.

But this is only visual aspect, which I believe, is the only part that's easy to measure. It would be interesting to think on how to make it 'easy' to add other dimensions like Functionality, SEO, Accessibility etc. to the list.

Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by dkrich on Monday April 29, 2013 @05:30PM (#5628940)
Aw I really wanted to see how Craigslist would appear to see if there is any discernible difference, whatsoever.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by warfangle on Monday April 29, 2013 @06:13PM (#5629196)
For what it's worth, Google is still usable in lynx.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by TazeTSchnitzel on Monday April 29, 2013 @07:33PM (#5629552)
Most sites are. Lynx is just the web without CSS or JS.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by warfangle on Monday April 29, 2013 @09:13PM (#5629895)
Most sites these days are inoperable without JS.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by TazeTSchnitzel on Tuesday April 30, 2013 @04:09AM (#5630942)
Not really. Name me a major site that doesn't work at all without JS.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by fabriceleal on Tuesday April 30, 2013 @04:43AM (#5631029)
Dropbox - https://www.dropbox.com/

In Firefox 20.0.1, with Javascript disabled, after the login the home listing has a "The Dropbox website require JavaScript" text.

[EDIT: Clickable, more info]

Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by TazeTSchnitzel on Tuesday April 30, 2013 @07:06AM (#5631418)
Well, Dropbox is an interesting example. If you have no JS, you probably can't download much either.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by fabriceleal on Tuesday April 30, 2013 @09:03AM (#5631873)
Why not? As it seems, JS is not doing anything that isn't do-able with a <a href="...file..." target="_blank"> - as soon as the browser gets a file that it cant render (.zip, ...), it will download it.

The magic is in the server, which must set the MIME type to application\octet-stream or something similar, so the browser doesnt try to render certain browser-rendable files (.htmls, .pdfs, ...)

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3749231/download-file-usi...

Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by TazeTSchnitzel on Tuesday April 30, 2013 @10:49AM (#5632464)
I just mean users without JS usually aren't ones who are downloading files. Lynx is possibly an exception, though, since it's sometimes used by server admins like myself to grab packages.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by fabriceleal on Tuesday April 30, 2013 @11:01AM (#5632538)
Ah ok. But is there some reason for Lynx not to support JS? Is this by design? I also found out about links [1] and elinks [2] but seems that their JS support is marginal or requires compiling with certain flags [3]. Haven't anyone tried to incorporate V8 yet?

[1]: http://links.twibright.com/

[2]: http://elinks.or.cz/index.html

[3]: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9353519/lynx-with-javascr...

Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by TazeTSchnitzel on Tuesday April 30, 2013 @11:04AM (#5632557)
Implementing JS would be a huge undertaking (they'd have to implement lots of APIs and the DOM, for starters). Such text-mode browsers are usually light on resources, too, and this would change that. Also, JS is usually used with the assumption graphics support is there.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by protolif on Tuesday April 30, 2013 @03:46AM (#5630884)
Since you're OK with poking fun at other people's software, I'll point out that your left margin vanishes at 990px viewport, and readers need the left-right scrollbar to read below 750px viewports. Not a great reading experience (in Safari 6 on Lion). Cheers!
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by greghinch on Monday April 29, 2013 @04:46PM (#5628624)
What % of their revenue does traffic from IE 5 represent? Now, what would the cost in internal resources to maintain browser compatibility on the scale of these sites? (hint: it's a lot) The math is pretty clear.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by burntsushi on Monday April 29, 2013 @06:09PM (#5629180)
RTFA. It clearly states that this is an exercise in fun, not in judgment or criticism.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by sesqu on Tuesday April 30, 2013 @06:11AM (#5631262)
I was surprised at the size of the screenshots - 750x340. Not 800x600, not even 854x480, but 22:10. Given that layouts tend to break vertically, I was expecting the shots to be at least to the fold.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by jwatzman on Tuesday April 30, 2013 @01:27AM (#5630558)
About a year ago I did the same thing with IE 5.1 for Mac, which was Microsoft's couterpart from this era.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150673019866971....

It had its own set of insane quirks, even worse than Windows IE5. It was the default browser on Mac OS for a long time, until Safari I think.

Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by dolphenstein on Tuesday April 30, 2013 @02:09AM (#5630656)
I remember the bad ol' days of having to support that browser. It wasn't compatible with it's windows counterpart and the 0.5% userbase were highly vocal if anything broke.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by yuhong on Tuesday April 30, 2013 @02:59AM (#5630761)
Ah, Tasman. Later MS did develop much better versions, but unfortunately new versions of IE for Mac ended when Apple moved to Safari/WebKit.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by yuhong on Tuesday April 30, 2013 @01:28AM (#5630561)
*IE 5.1 for Mac
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by jwatzman on Tuesday April 30, 2013 @01:30AM (#5630567)
Arg stupid typo, fixed, thanks.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by jeromeparadis on Monday April 29, 2013 @08:57PM (#5629856)
Now let's fire up lynx which I haven't used since before IE 4.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by eru on Tuesday April 30, 2013 @06:36AM (#5631327)
I recommend links for text-mode browsing.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by hatu on Tuesday April 30, 2013 @07:38AM (#5631533)
I wish they had showed the feed instead of the unlogged landing page of Facebook. It explodes pretty hilariously on my VM IE 6 at least.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by yuhong on Monday April 29, 2013 @04:41PM (#5628585)
The funny thing is that MS supported IE 5.01 on Windows 2000 until 2010, unlike other versions of IE 5.x. If I remember correctly, even MS's own Windows Update v6 released in 2005 had problems displaying in that browser such that they had to put up a warning message.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by alexvr on Monday April 29, 2013 @05:05PM (#5628753)
I laughed out loud at Microsoft
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by jordanmoore_ on Tuesday April 30, 2013 @02:35AM (#5630715)
Microsoft's design uses a mobile first approach with media queries and other techniques to make it a ubiquitous experience regardless of device. The others don't. That's why it looks the worst in an ancient browser, although it arguably looks better than the other examples if you were to open the same page on an array of devices with differing dynamics.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by katherineparker on Tuesday April 30, 2013 @12:41PM (#5633264)
Thanks for explaining this :). There had to be a good reason as to why Microsoft would approach IE5 this way and I was wondering why.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by nu2ycombinator on Monday April 29, 2013 @05:09PM (#5628795)
Irony worst looking website out of the list is Microsoft.com
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by DigitalSea on Monday April 29, 2013 @11:31PM (#5630274)
I love how Google doesn't really look different at all. Looks the same on IE5 basically as it does in IE10, ha.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by ZeroMinx on Tuesday April 30, 2013 @01:30AM (#5630570)
"Back in the year 1999 Microsoft released it's"

its

Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by derleth on Monday April 29, 2013 @04:45PM (#5628615)
It would be interesting to know how those pages function in IE5. Does anything they do rely on JS IE5 doesn't understand? CSS IE5 can't process? eBay, Amazon, and Facebook especially might become worthless even though it looks like they render in a usable fashion.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by bicknergseng on Monday April 29, 2013 @05:10PM (#5628807)
IE5 had XHR, but didn't have native JSON support and a number of other features. I think it was on ECMA 1 or 2 until IE5.5, which had 3.

I wager no one uses JSON shims anymore. I don't really know what would happen when you try to use JSON in ECMA 1 or 2.

Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by yuhong on Monday April 29, 2013 @05:36PM (#5628976)
Native JSON support was only added in IE8.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by robin_reala on Tuesday April 30, 2013 @04:18AM (#5630962)
Anyone that uses jQuery’s (<=1.9) JSON functionality is using a JSON shim:

https://github.com/jquery/jquery/blob/1.9-stable/src/core.js...

Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by ultimoo on Monday April 29, 2013 @04:58PM (#5628716)
Although I am not certain about it, the way browsers are expected to handle encryption may have also changed in 14 years -- making payment gateways on these websites wither unusable or risky.
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Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by mmuro on Monday April 29, 2013 @04:35PM (#5628542)
This has nothing to do with CSS3.

Wikipedia still looks good because it uses tables for layout. It's worthy of IE 5.5's good graces at that point.

Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by hrayr on Monday April 29, 2013 @04:34PM (#5628534)
Also probably because Google and Wikipedia's design wen't largely unchanged in the past 13 years.
Re:Popular Websites Displayed in IE 5 by eksith on Monday April 29, 2013 @04:31PM (#5628501)
True. And I think they went with the bare minimum necessary to display a functional web page (Google's extra junk is mostly analytics); the side-effect being a more usable page on older browsers.