I had only heard about a consensual relationship.
[0] https://www.woodsrogers.com/insights/publications/this-valen...
Good idea about stats. Please share what you find.
1. The subordinate story broke yesterday. The stock dropped 12% (not 20) and recovered half.
2. But for the spy/export control subversion, do you think a CEO would be stepping down for banging a co-worker? LOL...
*that we know of
Obviously it depends from case to case and there are certain lines that shouldn’t be crossed but otherwise consenting adults should be free to make their own decisions.
* My age +/- 2 years
* Comparable emotional and intellectual development
* Same level of education
* Earns as much money as me +/- 10%
* Total net worth +/- 10% of mine
* Muscular, so we are of comparable strength
* Exact same cultural and ethnical background
* No chronic disease or disabilities, as I do not have any and that would be an unfair advantage
* Reads Hacker News pathologically frequently, so we both know when to short NVIDIA at about the same time
You could just as easily say she did sexual favors to get a leg-up over more qualified peers and get/maintain her position.
If anything, the fact he got fired seems to imply she has all the power in their relationship being outed. I haven't seen anyone calling for her head.
Parent is oblivious to this and has already made up their mind that these policies don't exist
> The fact the he did it, and that she got promoted seals his fate as a predator in my mind.
These policies are intentionally narrowed to workplace conflicts of interest. HR doesn't want to manage morality clauses or stuff outside the workplace.
Anyway, not sure if that's the case here but it's hard to rule out entirely.
> Even if it's consensual, what happens when she decides she wants to move on from the relationship?
Then they're no longer in a relationship and still have to follow HR/company policies.
>What about her peers that didn't receive promotions while she did?
Did they follow the company policy (e.g., hiring committee recusal) or not for the promotions?
>This is why these laws exist.
Did the company policies follow employment regulations when setting and enforcing their policy?
I see your opinion. In MY opinion, this wouldn't be an issue but for the spy scandal. Now, anything that comes up (complying or not complying with policy) triggers more urgency by shareholders and the board to make change. They don't care about HR due process.
To be fair though, a CEO having an affair with a subordinate should be seen with at least some suspicion...
The people saying you can’t trust women… are mostly coming from women.
Wild time if you are dating! Yes could mean No if later she decides she didn’t like something about it.
When I entered the workforce not so long ago most companies didn't even have policies against it. My university didn't make a policy about it until 2012.
I think it's a good policy and it's fair they enforce it, but equating it to sexual harassment is nonsense.
Extremely rare (winning such a lawsuit). Prior to these kinds of rules becoming the norm, how often did anyone win such a lawsuit? It's a rounding error close to 0.
There are plenty of publicized cases where one party openly stated she got promotions because of her affair with a senior. No lawsuits were even filed in the ones I know.
I'm in favor of such rules precisely because it's hard to win such a suit.
What is known now is described a conflict of interest (which is bad already for a CEO). Whether it was a harassment - investigation should show.
Consider the case of Regina Santos-Aviles [1]. She committed suicide by setting herself on fire and had revealed that she'd been having an affair with her boss.
The power dynamics here are insane. Huang was the CEO and a billionaire. The legal liability that NVidia has or could have because of this is huge, particularly if they did nothing. Now there are big questions about who knew what when.
The reporting says somebody say them in a San Jose hotel and was basically hushed with an NDA, and probably a big payment (I'm guessing; I don't know). Was that from NVidia or Huang personally? What NVidia staff, if any, authorized that?
If the board wants to really clean house they should authorize a thorough external investigation of that and any other possible affairs.
[1]: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tony-gonzales-aide-affair-texts...
If you truly believe this, you're living in a bubble. Economically it might be pro free markets, but socially it's heavily "progressive" -- see any discussions about Omarchy, LGBTQ, Elon, or Trump.
I think media, social and traditional, has really done a number on people’s perspectives. I’m not sure why ideology replaces self-awareness.
Politics is about economics. All of the so-called "culture war" issues (eg LGBT rights, bodily autonomy, etc) don't make you left wing if you are still an avowed capitalist. The success of the Republican Party hinges on the success they've had in propagandizing culture war issues to avoid talking about economics. And the establishment Democrat Party is complicit because they have the exact same paymasters.
On this issue you see a ton of people in the comments saying "yeah but Jensen made so much money" as a reason why he shouldn't suffer the consequences. If making money has primacy in your decision making well... you're right wing, definitionally.
As other commenters have noted, every time Elon comes up there are a ton of HN defenders, despite him being a complete fascist (in technical terms, not a pejorative) and doing the Nazi salute on national TV (twice).
> Economically it might be pro free markets, ...
Well, first there's no such thing as "free markets". Second, you're basically saying "capitalism". As I said, right wing.
That means he can’t have any affairs with anyone who isn’t a billionaire without it turning into sexual harassment due to the imbalance in power?
> basically hushed with an NDA, and probably a big payment
So depending on how big the payment the alleged victim might be pretty happy with the outcome?
I mean if the board believes that the actions of the CEO resulted in financial damage to the company it’s up to them to investigate and deal with it. I just don’t get the whole morality police angle as long as the affair was between consenting rational adults.
I've found HN to be pretty hostile to DOGE (whereas conversation is usually respectful even for fringe viewpoints; something special happened here).
To spin it another way: if we ignore the rise of the faux-libertarian (you know, the more typical brand now, libertarian but all for a strong military and christian nationalism), I'd argue that the typical HN skews more old school small-l libertarian on the right wing spectrum. That's quite a bit different from the MAGA, christian nationalist, style of right wing politics that has been in vogue lately.
I don't think you can assume much just by knowing somebody disliked them.
The irony is so sweet here.
"Subordinate", get a grip!
What's very "Cut and Dry" is that so many of you are very obviously not paying attention to the yearly training, which isn't exactly complicated or difficult material.
Misbehavior without consequences seems to have become more noticeable in politics within the past ten years, with mainstream news outlets reporting on insider trading and potential bribes for favors. This ethos of power over accountability seems to be having a trickle down effect on general sentiment.
It's mindboggling that you describe an apparently completely consensual affair as "sexual harassment". It's obviously not.
Also, I don't think there was an "extreme power imbalance". If anything, she had far more power over him than the other way round, since he had much more to lose and she could blackmail him with making the affair public or other allegations.
Musk has done worse, yet nothing has really happened to him.
At the end of the day, I wouldn't bash everyone here too strongly when everyone who lined up early behind Hillary basically acted in the same way. (And yes, even though Bill did the act, Hillary lined up easily to defend him, much like the people you mention here)
People in these threads are pretending that 75% of the story doesn't exist and it's just about an affair... insane.
This one tip gets you off the hook of any company slander; just release a LLM model.
The Demographics of HN are coming very sharply into focus the past few weeks, and it's awful.
It does sort of explain a lot though.
A shocking amount of these comments are very loudly ignorant of basic concepts of consent, and some seem to be rather proud of it.