This is such nonsense. If you don't like Mrs, why even use the term at all? They all ultimately derive from "master/mistress".

There was such a huge push to convert all `master` branches to `main`[1], yet feminists have no issues addressing each other as master/mistress.

I'm not a native speaker, but in my experience, people don't even talk like that anyway. Newspapers may write "Mr Trump" but people just say Trump.

[1]: Not me, I still use `master`.

This applies mostly to the US, to a lesser extent to the UK, and to a much lesser extent (or not at all) to the dozen or so other Anglosphere countries.

But as we all know, the US is all that matters, so you may as well state outright that it “is so”, and move on.

I looked at guardian's style guide (british) and some australian style guide I found and they both default to "Ms". Which specific anglosphere country did you have in mind?

It was just an opportunity to throw in some low effort /r/AmericaBad shade

What value did second paragraph contribute to discussion?

This is an American news paper reporting on an American CEO of an American company...

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>It is generally considered polite to address a woman by Ms. rather than Mrs., unless the preference of the woman in question is clearly known.

Hm. Weird. Never seen that before. Let's check the source, emilypost.com:

>Mx. Is the universal title that can be used by anyone. It is gender non-identifying. Even if you identify specifically with a gender you may still use Mx. and you may see Mx. used when the sender is unaware of your title.

https://emilypost.com/advice/guide-to-addressing-corresponde...

OK, im out. I'm immediately out.

> Hm. Weird. Never seen that before. Let's check the source, emilypost.com

This is taught to children in the United States. I didn't go to an especially good school and I remember it to this day. If you're not from the US the custom may be different.

Perhaps you will consider the advice from Grammarly [0] as a more acceptable source.

[0] https://www.grammarly.com/blog/commonly-confused-words/ms-mr...

I think they were referring to Mx, which is hilarious!

> This is taught to children in the United States.

No doubt, in today's absurdly woke school system.

I learned this as a child in elementary school in the 90s in a mostly blue collar area of Long Island. This is not some new woke thing.

Primary school in the UK, I had a teacher who went by Ms. and was married.

How does one pronounce Mx?

Mail eXchanger

this is the way

Just for the record!

"Mexico"

It's Mexic@

Start by learning to pronounce Mister Mxyzptlk from the Superman comics.

I've generally heard it pronounced like the word "mix".

Mexter

"mixter"

You're out because you don't think non-binary people are real and you can't imagine a situation where you'd want an ambiguous honorific?

No. He's out because he works in a professional environment and knows that the statement that Mx is a universal title that can be used with anyone is untrue. In the vast majority of workplaces in the world, you'd get a weird look for calling somebody with an obvious gender identity Mx.

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Yes, I work in a workplace, so I've experienced people using personal titles first-hand. I've also read some studies about neo-pronouns and neo-titles, yes. Their prevalence is generally measured as being quite low.

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There is man,

there is woman,

and there is Klinefelter's.

(worth the karma hit)

The source discredits itself by claiming Mx is some sort of conventional title

Sir this is not an airport, you don’t need to announce your departure

Your reddit is leaking.

And you’re nonethewiser.

You've never seen Ms. before? This isn't some 2020s invention. My high school teachers went by Ms. in the nineties. Ms. Magazine is from 1972.

For married women no. Where did you go to high school?

Yes, for married women.

Miss indicated that a woman was unmarried. Mrs indicated that she was. Ms was added to behave like Mr in that it doesn't indicate marital status.

Isn't Ms just a contraction of Miss? I've never heard of a distinction between the two.

They're distinct in American English.

Is it a regional thing? I've lived in the Midwest mostly and never heard of this.

I don't think so. In the UK the default is also Ms unless a preference has been expressed for Miss/Mrs.

Especially in a business context, it would be unprofessional to ask if a woman is married or not merely for determining which title to use. Unless you want to have an affair with her, of course.

I've always used Miss as the default when I don't know. Maybe everyone else has been using Mizz and I just didn't hear the difference.

No, there is no contraction of Miss and no expansion of Ms. (which is pronounced “mizz”).

Does it stand for something? Just it stand for Mizz?

It was invented to hide the distinction between married and single women. How do you know all the women you’ve met as Ms X are single?

What do you think the word invented means

Do you think words are naturally occurring?

We were taught to use Mrs. unconditionally, and it was explained as a modern PC-rooted shift in formal written English. This was 30+ years ago.

Like latinx, a straight insult for us latinos.

I semi seriously suggest we come up with neologisms to avoid gendered forms of address. We could take from Morrowind and replace Mr/Ms/sir/ma’am with “muthsera”.

Yes, what could be more offensive than someone noticing your gender.

Oh my God are native English speakers okay?? Ms. is not miss it's pronounced like "miz" and it's always been a convention to refer to women with their full or last name regardless of marriage state. Mx is just a gender neutral honorific for full or last names.

Look, if you want to learn about social cues you’re going to have to draw from experience instead of links from the internet. Experience interacting with women will quickly teach you that Ms. is the safest option, if not preferred.

I personally think there should be a signifier that indicates whether a man is married. How convenient for people like Mr. Huang that there isn't.

Once that's in place, I would feel better about the use of Mrs.

Obligatory reference to Douglas Hofstsdter’s parody about gendered pronouns where he imagines an alternate reality in which English pronouns are race-based instead of gender-based, and they have the Miss/Mrs. distinction, but only non-whites have to use it, and it’s based on whether you have a job — because obviously only non-whites need to advertise this.

https://www.cs.virginia.edu/~evans/cs655/readings/purity.htm...

I've never heard of this in my life. I'm not doubting you or the Wikipedia article. I just have no idea how you're meant to keep up with this stuff.

You’re not meant to keep up with it, it’s a means of control.