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Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by wmf on Tuesday October 13, 2026 @06:50PM (#50080049)
It's not a good look that the UK seemingly isn't installing air conditioning, decarbonizing heating, or adopting electric vehicles. Efficiency is good after you have high living standards but the UK should probably focus on growth first.
Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by teamonkey on Tuesday October 13, 2026 @08:01PM (#50080657)
EV adoption in the UK is huge right now, heat pump adoption is happening (though could be faster).

Air conditioning is a weird one, because it’s only been necessary in residential properties for a couple of years, and really still only necessary for a couple of days a year, so a fixed installation isn’t cost effective. Portable units are becoming more popular.

AC has been a requirement in most commercial premises for years. Decades, perhaps.

Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by wildzzz on Tuesday October 13, 2026 @08:27PM (#50080866)
The great thing about heat pumps is you can run them in reverse to become an AC, only requirement is a drain for the condensate.
Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by Muromec on Tuesday October 13, 2026 @08:55PM (#50081067)
I have one of those and it really isn't the same as AC.
Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by dghlsakjg on Tuesday October 13, 2026 @09:18PM (#50081217)
I trust that you mean it doesn’t have the same effectiveness as other AC units you’ve used.

From a pedantic point of view, it is quite literally the exact same as an AC. Air conditioners are literally heat pumps.

Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by IanCal on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @02:18AM (#50083135)
Air conditioners are heat pumps. Not all heat pumps are air conditioners.

Common installations reuse the wet systems we have and are air to water, which was until recently the only thing the grants covered (and now it’s still lower for a2a).

Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by rcxdude on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @04:06AM (#50084045)
And AFAIK the grants still don't cover something that can also be used as an AC, though maybe that's changed.
Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by throwthrowuknow on Tuesday October 13, 2026 @10:55PM (#50081836)
I have one and it is? We keep our house very cool in the summer using it and it works just as well as an in window AC that we use in the bedroom. Maybe what you have is different somehow.
Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by thewonderfulmrp on Tuesday October 13, 2026 @11:05PM (#50081891)
An AC is literally a heat pump
Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by ben_w on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @04:30AM (#50084274)
So is a refrigerator; all the other considerations make saying "I have a heat pump therefore I have AC" in this context a bit like a Mexican saying "I am American".

Like, sure, but the word has a specific and a general meaning, conventional use is only the specific meaning.

Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by CivBase on Tuesday October 13, 2026 @10:00PM (#50081471)
How is it not the same?
Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by Muromec on Tuesday October 13, 2026 @11:26PM (#50082016)
Look, I know that actuuuualy and technically it's the same type of technology working on the same principle. The thing I have ( Daalderop 5G WPU) mainly works as floor heating (and great at that), but it's the size of a fridge and has it's own utility closet and a pipe underground for whatever thermal medium it uses and it's own separate meter (for reasons of regulatory kind). And it's a district wide deployment where I don't even own the thing.

Most importantly it's not the same in the way of me not feeling the chill. It's stupid, as I know the house is cooler than the outsides, but the actual split system delivers the cold air right to where I feel it and this thing just makes the ambient temperature down to 25c without me even noticing.

I don't want to know what it costs to install (I got it with the house), but split system costed lol nothing in eastern european dollars and took some guys less than half a day and zero permits to install too. For better or worse the heat pump doesn't live in the same locale I had that.

Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by vel0city on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @12:08AM (#50082281)
A water/water heat pump is absolutely not the same thing the other commenters are talking about. They're mostly talking about an air/air heat pump, where it's literally all the same parts but has a reversing valve so it can either be hot/cold or cold/hot among the coils with fans blowing through them.

This is more like what they're talking about, but they do come in a lot of shapes and sizes and can be more or less integrated into central systems.

https://senville.com/mini-split-heat-pumps/

Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by Muromec on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @01:18AM (#50082705)
It's almost like there is more than one thing called heatpump
Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by pornel on Tuesday October 13, 2026 @10:43PM (#50081750)
UK typically uses air-to-water heat pumps with convection radiators. The passive radiators are useless for cooling, and condensation on pipes in walls can be a problem.
Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by legulere on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @12:44AM (#50082478)
With a heat pump asked central heating system run in cooling mode condensate can form at your pipes in the wall and your radiators or floor when using under floor heating. So you have to limit its cooling power to prevent that.

With an AC the advantage is that the condensate is forming inside the AC when cooling the air.

Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by wildzzz on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @01:31PM (#50169793)
I guess the issue is that American heat pumps use central air handlers. There is a coil inside and outside the house a fan that blows air across each coil. The inside fan pulls air from around the house and then blows hot or cold air through vents. It sounds like British heat pumps just push hot water through pipes. We use insulation over the refrigerant pipes to prevent condensation from forming in the walls. The length of the run is also kept as short as possible to reduce losses.
Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by manarth on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @02:15AM (#50083116)
Most British homes haven't been built to support AC. Retro-fitting a heatpump for heating is relatively straightforward, as the heating delivery mechanism (pipes to transmit hot water to wall-mounted radiators) is already in place.

Although you could pipe cool water through the radiators, it's an ineffective form of cooling compared to blown-air systems, and retro-fitting a blown-air system is much more costly than a heating-only heat pump.

Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by walthamstow on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @04:12AM (#50084099)
You can't pipe cold water through radiators, all you'll get is a very wet floor. Think of an ice cold bottle of beer.
Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by nickserv on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @04:54AM (#50084481)
You need a radiator with a built-in electric fan, this will all but eliminate the condensation.

However it will not cool like an A/C unit, only something like 5°C reduction. This can be enough to get a decent night's sleep during a summer heatwave.

Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by walthamstow on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @05:03AM (#50084563)
We're talking about retrofitting to existing typical UK radiators. If I was buying new radiators (and paying an electrician to run electricity to them!) then I would want a better return on investment than cooling from 35C to 30C.
Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by mitxela on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @05:59AM (#50085014)
I visited a building once that had "cold panels" covering about half of the drop ceiling. Supposedly they made a difference in summer but I suppose they needed the massive surface area.
Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by throwawayffffas on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @02:43AM (#50083354)
You can't just pump the cold water through the heating elements, because of condensation. The correct installation, requires special heating, cooling elements that include fans (it helps with the cooling) and drainage for the condensation.
Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by jonasdegendt on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @07:32AM (#50086006)
I have "cooled floors", so basically heated floors but you can reverse the circuit in summer. Condensation really isn't an issue unless the temperature difference is massive, say room temperature being 28 degrees C and then kicking the system into high gear trying to get to 20 degrees C.

Once room and floor temperature match, condensation doesn't occur anymore as long as you keep it running.

Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by multjoy on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @04:48AM (#50084414)
I've had a cooling/heating heatpump fitted. Adding a couple of wall units bumped the price by about £1500, although the whole thing was softened by the grant for getting rid of an oil fired boiler.

While our house is relatibvely small and we kept the units (which also do heating as well) confined to the main living space, it wasn't especially burdensome. The bulk of the work was installing the behemoth of a hot water tank!

Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by adaml_623 on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @05:06AM (#50084591)
Did you consider going with instant hot water at the sink/basin/shower/bath? My house is also relatively small and has little room for a huge hot water tank.
Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by nothercastle on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @11:14AM (#50088911)
That can’t practically be done electronically. Needs to be gas. The power demand is too high for electric water heating
Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by adaml_623 on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @12:07PM (#50089888)
Original comment mentioned £ so they are in the UK. It's possible and not super uncommon to have electric showers in the UK because the 230V provides enough power for water heating unlike the US.

I'm currently investigating options for kitchen sinks and such. It feels quite silly to have a long length of pipe leading from a central source for a small amount of warm water to wash my hands.

Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by manarth on Wednesday October 21, 2026 @03:56AM (#50177416)
Boiling water taps like Quooker and similar are pretty good.

There's a limit: you can fill a medium saucepan with boiling water, but large/industrial-kitchen pans will exhaust the boiling water and you'll need to wait for the next batch.

It's fine for general household use.

Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by multjoy on Saturday October 17, 2026 @05:14AM (#50129310)
Belatedly, no, but I think our installer may have (possibly as a result of the free money!) wildly overspecified the tank which I suspect we will never empty even if we actually tried.

Daikin (and presumably others, but they're the ones we went with) do have integrated tanks/heatpump internal units. It might be worth having a think about your actual needs and it may be that there is a solution.

My experience with electric hot water taps is that they've been universally awful and only a last resort, but equally the state of the art may have moved on since I last looked!

Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by mitxela on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @05:56AM (#50084992)
They can be, and in many places that get both too hot and too cold they're built that way as standard, but in places that are usually too hot or usually too cold, they're often built one way to save a bit of complexity.
Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by imp0cat on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @01:13AM (#50082668)
> Portable units are becoming more popular.

This is only the beginning. Soon people will realize that a mini-split install isn't that much more expensive than a portable AC, but is a lot more convenient.

Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by peterbecich on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @03:08AM (#50083564)
And mini-split is definitely way more efficient thermodynamically.
Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by JBits on Tuesday October 13, 2026 @08:06PM (#50080697)
> air conditioning

The UK typically doesn't need air conditioning, so why would people spend money on it? Yes, I know this recent summer was exceptionally hot but people don't react that quickly to changes.

> decarbonizing heating

What does this mean? More renewables? If efficiency reduces energy demands then it directly results in less carbon.

> electric vehicles

Aren't people already adopting electric vehicles? Do you think that the government should introduce a scheme to persuade people to buy electric vehicles? Does the availability of charging for electric vehicles need improving?

> Efficiency is good after you have high living standards but the UK should probably focus on growth first

Efficiency means saving money. In what circumstance could efficiency be bad? The grid responds to demand, unused electricity means higher prices for consumers. One of biggest issues right now in the UK is cost of living crisis, so raising electricity prices would be universally hated. How does making the grid less efficient increase growth?

Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by _jackdk_ on Tuesday October 13, 2026 @08:10PM (#50080733)
> decarbonizing heating

I believe this refers to switching to high-efficiency electric heaters like reverse-cycle AC units (also known as "heat pumps"), rather than oil heaters or ducted gas heating.

Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by teamonkey on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @03:16AM (#50083629)
The majority of UK homes are heated by gas-powered boilers that pump hot water through radiators in each room. Often hot water is heated by the same system.

Decarbonisation usually means replacing that boiler with a heat pump which uses electricity to heat water.

Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by _jackdk_ on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @07:39PM (#50097170)
Thanks. I didn't know about the UK specifically but replacing gas boilers with heat pumps makes a lot of sense.
Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by zarzavat on Tuesday October 13, 2026 @08:38PM (#50080943)
> The UK typically doesn't need air conditioning

I don't know where you live but UK summers were unbearable even when I was a kid. Buildings are engineered to trap heat, so the heat doesn't dissipate at night and every day the indoor temperature rises, and rises...

At least they removed the need for planning permission recently. The problem is that the places that need AC the most (flats) will probably not be able to get it until the leasehold system has been abolished.

> > decarbonizing heating

> What does this mean?

Presumably it means heating using electric heat pumps rather than gas boilers. This also solves the AC problem. I don't think this is viable for most people. Heating was never the problem anyway, at least in the south winters are mild.

Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by zabzonk on Tuesday October 13, 2026 @08:51PM (#50081038)
> I don't know where you live but UK summers were unbearable

well, i live in lincolnshire and used to live in london. i usually have a fan on for a few weeks over summer, but that's it. where in the UK did you live that the summers were so unbearable?

Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by mohamedkoubaa on Tuesday October 13, 2026 @10:32PM (#50081664)
Unbearable is a stretch. I live in Texas and don't use the AC every day in the summer. The human body can adapt if you dont constantly climate control
Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by Muromec on Tuesday October 13, 2026 @11:35PM (#50082071)
I for once feel better overall when it's 35c outsides airco or not, but people tend to think I'm being funny about that
Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by MayeulC on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @03:05AM (#50083546)
It's fine if temperatures get lower during the night, but 25°C at night and 35°C during the day leaves little for cooling the infrastructure (roads, buildings), and constant warm temperatures are unbearable if you cannot even get in the shade when you want to cool off. Then, 35°C is also very hard to manage with high humidity.
Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by avhception on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @02:35AM (#50083287)
I think you're right, and in addition to that there is also a lot we could do other than AC. Just having some shade from trees already helps a lot. Modern cities can be a man-made hellscape with regards to heat. But we did that to ourselves.
Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by expedition32 on Tuesday October 13, 2026 @09:05PM (#50081130)
That's only a few weeks a year. The UK isn't Florida yet. And besides modern AC is incredibly efficient. The stuff that's cleared to sell in Europe has incredibly high standards.
Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by KaiserPro on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @03:15AM (#50083625)
> UK summers were unbearable even when I was a kid.

Not to be that guy, in the last 20 years, 27 was considered a heatwave.

> Buildings are engineered to trap heat,

I mean Victorian buildings were engineered to let in light, and have good ventilation. Hence why each room has a huge sash window, an airbrick and a fireplace.

Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by moebrowne on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @04:41AM (#50084351)
> Buildings are engineered to trap heat, so the heat doesn't dissipate at night and every day the indoor temperature rises, and rises

This makes insulation sound like a bad thing. The more insulation you have the less the indoor temperature is affected by the outside temperature.

Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by adaml_623 on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @05:31AM (#50084779)
A common scenario is to have unshaded solid walls exposed to afternoon sun. Without insulation the inside of the house can be high all through the night. A good effect of insulation in summer is to prevent that effect. Important to note that it would be standard to allow cooling airflow in the morning.
Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by zarzavat on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @11:28AM (#50089159)
> The more insulation you have the less the indoor temperature is affected by the outside temperature.

Insulation isn't magic, over many days of hot weather eventually the building will reach equilibrium with the average outside temperature. This means it will be cooler indoors than outdoors during the day, and hotter indoors than outdoors at night.

However, the nights are specifically when you want a residential building to be cooler, assuming the inhabitants are not at home during the day. So the insulation actually makes the building hotter from the perspective of the inhabitants.

Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by Dylan16807 on Tuesday October 13, 2026 @10:36PM (#50081693)
Very few places "need" air conditioning but it doesn't take very days where it's 80+ outside and hotter inside to convince me that the per-day cost of AC is worth it. And that level of heat is nothing new.
Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by drnick1 on Tuesday October 13, 2026 @11:21PM (#50081991)
> The UK typically doesn't need air conditioning

Nobody "needs" air conditioning, but even a modest window unit provides a huge improvement in quality of life whenever it's 80+ outside.

Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by Muromec on Tuesday October 13, 2026 @11:32PM (#50082043)
80 plus in UK would be a bit of a stinky situation
Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by autoexec on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @01:35AM (#50082819)
> Nobody "needs" air conditioning

It can be considered a medical necessity for people with certain conditions like anhidrosis, asthma, COPD, kidneys disease, or cardiovascular issues. It's also a huge medical benefit for people with terrible allergies who wouldn't be able to open a window even when that'd normally help cool the house.

Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by IanCal on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @03:00AM (#50083507)
> The UK typically doesn't need air conditioning, so why would people spend money on it? Yes, I know this recent summer was exceptionally hot but people don't react that quickly to changes.

We are? It’s becoming more common and we had a few bad summers and earlier this year too. The heat wave a few years back killed my dad.

Given there’s a push to swap heating systems for more efficient ones, air con units are being looked at a lot more.

Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by gib444 on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @03:27AM (#50083736)
> The UK typically doesn't need air conditioning, so why would people spend money on it?

We had 6 heat waves this summer. Parents were booking hotels just to keep their kids cool

We also had heatwaves in 2022, 2021, 2019, 2018. 2024 wasn't bad but was still the 4th hottest year on record.

You can absolutely bet the better-off middle classes are installing aircon. I know many. If more people could afford it they would get it

It's the humidity too not just the heat. And how after 3 or 4 days of high temps, our houses just do not cool down at night because they act like radiators. Humid 25c+ nights suck for us

Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by JdeBP on Tuesday October 13, 2026 @07:58PM (#50080626)
What makes you think that the U.K. isn't adopting electric vehicles? I can tell you from direct visual observation that people are. The little green numberplate rectangles are fairly common, now.

* https://rac.co.uk/drive/news/electric-vehicles-news/1-in-3-n...

Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by pjc50 on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @06:21AM (#50085262)
The "green flash" scheme is great.

EVs are almost at the supply issues point. I've had one on order since June, which I suppose is my fault for choosing Stellantis.

Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by stymaar on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @09:14AM (#50087250)
It's not just Stellantis though, VW supply is stretched as well.
Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by doctorpangloss on Tuesday October 13, 2026 @09:48PM (#50081407)
See @dang there's still really funny comments on HN, this is the good stuff.
Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by hdgvhicv on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @01:07AM (#50082635)
4 days this year I figured “ac would be nice

I’m thinking about it, but there’s a lot of other things I could spend the capital on.

Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by Reason077 on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @02:23AM (#50083180)
> ”It's not a good look that the UK seemingly isn't installing air conditioning, decarbonizing heating, or adopting electric vehicles.”

The UK is definitely doing all three of these things. Though arguably not fast enough, for some of them.

Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by rcxdude on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @04:12AM (#50084103)
People overestimate the energy usage of EVs. Average usage 2-3000 kWh/year, but there's about 1 car per 2 people in the UK, so EVs would not reverse the trend even at 100% adoption, and they're currently at about 20-25% of new cars sold and 5% of miles driven in the UK (in comparison, to say, the US, where it's 5%/1%).
Re:The United Kingdom Generates Less Electricity per Person ... by youngtaff on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @06:43AM (#50085482)
Number of EVs on the road is growing

BEV is 28% of new car sales HEV is 13%

https://www.smmt.co.uk/vehicle-data/car-registrations/