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Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by ceejayoz on Monday December 15, 2025 @07:42PM (#46283202)
Because it’s flying near Venezuela, who we’re currently fucking with militarily.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by bdangubic on Monday December 15, 2025 @07:50PM (#46283273)
we wouldn’t be doing that, we voted for President that will end all the wars, not start new ones
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by antonymoose on Monday December 15, 2025 @08:19PM (#46283510)
Nicolas, Uday, and Qusay Maduro have 48 hours to leave Venezuela. Until then, we have not launched a special military operation.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by malvim on Monday December 15, 2025 @09:30PM (#46284027)
Yes. The tanker plane with its turned off transponder off the coast is totally not a military operation.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by baq on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @01:56AM (#46285591)
Just a flesh wound.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by komali2 on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @03:11AM (#46286015)
Real quick, I'm trying to remember a word, it's on the tip of my tongue. It's when one country uses military force in order to make another country have significant internal political changes. Just on the tip of my tongue....
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by tpoacher on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @03:20AM (#46286078)
War on terror?
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by saubeidl on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @03:25AM (#46286113)
Illegal war of aggression?
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by GoblinSlayer on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @04:52AM (#46286674)
Jihad?
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by 1718627440 on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @09:47AM (#46289169)
As if these kind of people care about such a threat. They do not care about "their" country, "their" country is a resource they control. They very much prefer to sacrifice the whole countries population until the tanks stand in front of their bunker and then they take the "clean self-exit".
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by Obscurity4340 on Monday December 15, 2025 @08:01PM (#46283359)
Thank you for buying my bridge, no refunds asked and zero money back down
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by foota on Monday December 15, 2025 @07:56PM (#46283320)
If you thought you were, you were tricked.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by ceejayoz on Monday December 15, 2025 @08:40PM (#46283664)
I think your sarcasm detector needs calibrating.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by wrs on Monday December 15, 2025 @09:48PM (#46284174)
I think you have "war" confused with "blowing up people we're suspicious of". It goes perfectly with "imprisoning and/or deporting people we're suspicious of".
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by jachee on Monday December 15, 2025 @11:49PM (#46284902)
And by “suspicious of” you mean “bigoted against”.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by nielsbot on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @01:59AM (#46285610)
but also: exploit the oil
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by atoav on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @02:47AM (#46285853)
Turns out "anti-woke" was just a rebrand of good old bigotry. I am shocked.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by 3rodents on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @01:53AM (#46285563)
it's only war if it's from the Middle East region of the world, otherwise it's just sparkling law enforcement
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by Nextgrid on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @02:24AM (#46285729)
Special law enforcement operation.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by pksebben on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @03:04AM (#46285976)
I served. While in basic training, the drill sergeants taught us why we salute differently than other countries (probably apocryphal) - because we've "never lost a war". I'm cheeky now and I was then, so I asked about vietnam.

"Police Action" came the terse reply. "We don't talk about that one."

Course by then I'd already signed on the dotted, so...

Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by the_af on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @08:10AM (#46288064)
Curious here, what's the different salute?
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by pksebben on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @10:56AM (#46290123)
palm-down. If you've ever seen the brits salute, it's palm-forward.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by mattmaroon on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @08:16AM (#46288131)
We’ve never lost a war but we’ve definitely failed to accomplish our objectives a few times along the way. We built the greatest hammer the world has ever seen then asked it to saw lumber and wondered why it failed.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by bdangubic on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @10:09AM (#46289450)
we may need to look up a definition of “won” in the dictionary cause we didn’t win a war exactly 80 years :)
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by mattmaroon on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @10:29AM (#46289738)
That’s not true at all. We just don’t talk much about the ones we won.

Last year I went to Grenada, which we invaded in the 80s. They love us for it and have statues of Reagan on the island. Without us, they probably would have suffered the same fate as Cuba.

Where would South Korea be without our intervention? Etc.

Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by bdangubic on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @01:40PM (#46292477)
TIL that we won the Korean War and also a Grenada War :)

learning something new every day…

Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by mattmaroon on Wednesday December 17, 2025 @10:03PM (#46308485)
Well, goes back to your definitions of “won” and “war”. Both are fairly blurry.

We definitely accomplished our objective in Grenada, which we invaded. I’d call it winning a war. There were boots on the ground who did what we sent them to do.

Korea was definitely a war and the ostensible purpose was to repel North Korea, which we and our allies did. If that’s not winning a war, what is it?

Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by testbjjl on Monday December 15, 2025 @10:29PM (#46284429)
We? Seems like a personal vendetta from my perspective. I in no way shape or form want to send Americans to Venezuela for the holidays to start an armed conflict.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by jacquesm on Monday December 15, 2025 @11:28PM (#46284784)
Venezuelans also don't want you to send Americans.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by vkou on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @01:54AM (#46285574)
I don't think anyone in the world besides the deranged fanbase wants to see this.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by hsiudh on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @03:57AM (#46286308)
~60% of the 8M people that fled Venezuela are incline to support a military intervention, that number goes down to 40% estimated for those still inside, so about more than half the country want external action to get out of the dictatorship. That percentage is for external action, the percentage that voted against the dictator in the stolen election last year was calculated at 76%; so no, is definitely not just the MAGA fan base that want to see something happen.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by SXX on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @04:21AM (#46286449)
Except last few times it went so well for the countries where "intervention" happen.

Also are they in favor to replacing this dictator with another pro-Trump one?

Current US president have a weak spot for every dictator and authoritarian leader in the world: El Salvador, Russia, Hungary, etc.

Might be not the best candidate to deal with dictators...

Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by hsiudh on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @05:51AM (#46287063)
> Also are they in favor to replacing this dictator with another pro-Trump one?

When your options are being poor, starved to death or dissapeared during the last 25 years, you take any chance for a change

Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by leesalminen on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @10:34AM (#46289825)
So Maria machado, the recipient of the Nobel peace prize in 2025 is a would be dictator ?
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by SXX on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @11:27AM (#46290550)
Why do you believe some civil opposition leader will end up im power after foreign military intervention?

Usually people who end up in power are ones best at shooting others invluding shooting civil politicians.

Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by jacquesm on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @05:38PM (#46295629)
We have some interesting precedents to compare notes with:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aung_San_Suu_Kyi

That did not quite go according to plan either. Definitely not a dictatorship but not exactly clean and the end result is not so far off from where they started. Venezuela could easily end up worse than it is today.

Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by andrepd on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @05:44AM (#46287009)
A bad situation is not improved by an even worse one. It does speaks volumes to the desperation of Venezuelans that many would rather their own country get invaded if that rids them of Maduro.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by leesalminen on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @10:33AM (#46289807)
So you know better than the poor brown people?
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by pksebben on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @03:06AM (#46285987)
We really need a decent channel to petition other countries, as the US public.

Maybe we could write on a legal pad and hold it up in the rear window as we pass them on the highway.

Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by komali2 on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @03:12AM (#46286025)
Or you could make like the French and actually do something about the death and destruction your nation subjects the rest of the planet to.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by saubeidl on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @03:29AM (#46286134)
It's funny how the French are portrayed as cowards in American popular culture, when in reality the French would've gotten the guillotines out already while the Americans... cower.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by pksebben on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @03:39AM (#46286190)
not even a joke, we're skipping the 4th and celebrating bastille day this year. Ten days apart and the food and drink are just better.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by ekianjo on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @04:54AM (#46286687)
Certainly not the current French, though.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by wongarsu on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @06:01AM (#46287126)
They no longer get the guillotines out, but they still protest like no one else.

Not always about the right issues, but at least they have the spirit

Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by saubeidl on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @06:26AM (#46287306)
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by ekianjo on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @10:45AM (#46289974)
I think we were talking about the guillotine earlier on
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by saubeidl on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @10:50AM (#46290039)
They're metaphoric these days ;)
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by 1718627440 on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @09:47AM (#46289171)
> It's funny how the French are portrayed as cowards

Are they? Where does that come from?

Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by komali2 on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @10:33AM (#46289818)
It used to be I guess a slur, "surrender monkeys," because France surrendered during WWII and there was a Nazi-collaborator government established filled with French politicians.

It's unfair given the reality and importance of the French resistance, but, that's where it comes from.

Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by pksebben on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @11:01AM (#46290194)
That one was the brits if I'm not mistaken - Jeremy Clarkson specifically (who I have a lot of affection for - Top Gear was a significant part of my childhood, but he does make an art out of being offensively wrong).
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by graemep on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @12:11PM (#46291151)
It seems to have originated in The Simpsons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheese-eating_surrender_monkey...
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by sigwinch on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @08:52AM (#46288483)
María Corina Machado believes this. She won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2025. Attacking Venezuela would still be illegal, but it would achieve her aims.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by leesalminen on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @10:32AM (#46289789)
You’d be surprised. Last month on a visit to the U.S., 8/10 Uber drivers I had were Venezuelan. I’m a fluent Spanish speaker so I engaged in this very topic. The vast majority of them wanted Maduro out, and the fastest way to that is through U.S. intervention. They were not opposed to this.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by vkou on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @05:36PM (#46295605)
1. This is a bit of a selection bias, since they are in the US, they aren't going to be the ones in the line of fire. It's all upshot for them.

2. Turn back the clock two decades ago, I'm sure plenty of ex-pat Iraqis wanted Saddam out, but half a million dead and a ten-year civil war and also fucking ISIS may have been a bit above what they were willing to pay. If I were living in a country ruled by a deranged autocrat (...), I too would like to see him removed, but that doesn't mean I'd invite war over it. (And the knives-out-nightly-disappearance repression that will inevitably follow.)

3. Given who Trump sucks up to and appoints, I'm sure he'll find his own monster to replace Maduro with. (The US track record with this in the Americas has been incredibly awful, but I've no doubt that he can set a new lowest bar.) He sure as shit won't be putting some lady who won a peace prize in charge.

Yes, I suppose you have successfully provided a counter-argument to my point, and I have to concede it - there are people with more skin in the game than the average MAGA who want to stick their former neighbours' hands in the fire, to check if it is hot.

Political expats and exiles do tend to favor invasions of their countries more than the people who live in them do, and I've not considered their viewpoints in this.

Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by krior on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @01:44AM (#46285522)
You guys get what you voted for, time to take some responsibility.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by lillecarl on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @02:41AM (#46285811)
Without oil it's hard to keep the monstertrucks rolling down the highways, people have to drop their kids off at school!
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by kakacik on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @03:04AM (#46285974)
Gotta think about economy and those sweet sweet deals bringing tons of money and power to orange clan err economy and jobs! Its all fault of mexicans after all! Anyway I am sure there can be a new resort/casino or two somewhere there
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by mattmaroon on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @08:22AM (#46288194)
We are a net exporter of oil and have been for nearly two decades. We can keep our monster trucks rolling just fine.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by ericjmorey on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @03:21AM (#46286085)
Trump didn't even get a majority of votes cast.

Over 77 million people voted against Trump.

About 73 million were not old enough to vote.

Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by lbreakjai on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @03:51AM (#46286267)
And 88 million people signaled they were fine with either candidate, by not voting. 165 million people out of 264 millions eligible voters supported this.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by bmacho on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @06:18AM (#46287248)
They did not signal that they were fine with either candidate by not voting.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by acdha on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @06:45AM (#46287416)
> don't think one can blame them, not voting can be a legit option for many reasons,

With the exception of people who have religious beliefs prohibiting voting, it’s saying that you don’t feel strongly enough about the differences between the two candidates to pick one. There are some people who can plead various hardships, but most people don’t have that excuse: it really did come down to thinking their life would be fine either way.

Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by freeopinion on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @08:29AM (#46288261)
Or thinking they were sunk either way.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by sigwinch on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @08:40AM (#46288354)
No, in the US electoral formula, not every vote for President will make a difference. Seven out of 50 states are close, so in 43 states it’s only a protest vote.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by krior on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @11:25AM (#46290518)
Then maybe its time to ask yourself: do you live in a democracy when you cannot make your vote count?
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by acdha on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @10:11AM (#46289473)
It still matters for the popular vote and all of the downstream candidates. People who stay home inevitably complain about local changes which also were on the ballot.

I strongly support national electoral vote reform but it’s important to remember that every election really does matter.

Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by krior on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @06:45AM (#46287424)
Their intend may have been another, but the outcome is that they supported whoever was winning.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by freeopinion on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @08:31AM (#46288279)
Ridiculous. Do you blame all Venezuelans for their current government? You shouldn't.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by krior on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @11:23AM (#46290493)
In a democracy every citizen is responsible for the actions of their state.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by bmacho on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @06:55PM (#46296423)
Not the people who voted for the losing candidates!
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by krior on Wednesday December 17, 2025 @01:41AM (#46298933)
In a healthy democracy there are more ways than just voting to influence the countrys political affairs. Democracy has a price, voting every four years is not enough.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by TitaRusell on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @09:27AM (#46288893)
Yes. Chavez was democratically elected. Maduro is not an alien he was born in Venezuela.

Why did Venezuela become what it is today? Every citizen is responsible for what their country turned into.

Ofcourse I do not expect anyone in the Venezuelan diaspora do any kind of introspection or soul-searching.

Venezuela was a beautiful South American Switzerland and it is all the fault of the evil Cubans.

Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by keeganpoppen on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @08:56AM (#46288519)
as someone who has never voted, i am absolutely okay with this characterization. i often hold my tongue when it comes to complaining about political stuff because i dont really feel like i have the right to. i mean, of course i HAVE the right, but the hypocrisy isn’t. to be clear: this is not the same thing as being animated about general gov. malfeasance, which is something that everyone is in the right to complain about, as the operation of the government isn’t a politics-specific issue in a lot of cases.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by beAbU on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @06:43AM (#46287407)
Nope. Sorry. From outside the US, there is just the US. We dont understand your "us vs them" tribalism nor the political divide. Every US citizen at this point is responsible for what's going on. Regardless of who you voted for. All of this is due to decades of complacency by the citizenry, it's not some sudden surprising coup.

I'm not saying the rest of the world is in the clear though. I think many countries are headed in a similar direction. Hopefully this is the wakeup call we all need to step up and arrest this slide into authoritarianism that's happening everywhere.

Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by freeopinion on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @08:35AM (#46288308)
The recent elections in the U.S. went mostly anti-Trump. Is that the type of action you are calling for? Or did you want something more than running for office and voting?
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by krior on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @11:11AM (#46290339)
And still Trump reigns without a care. But I am sure the next flipped seat in some mayor-election will bring him to his knees. Just one more lawsuit and we have him, just one more impeachment, pretty please.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by beAbU on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @12:41PM (#46291567)
Sorry, I don't know what elections you are talking about. The only one that I'm aware of was last year's election, which was very much the opposite of anti-trump.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by refurb on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @05:31PM (#46295533)
We don’t elect Presidents based on getting a majority of votes of all US citizens, even if they can’t vote.

Do you know why?

Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by dragonwriter on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @05:34PM (#46295570)
> We don’t elect Presidents based on getting a majority of votes of all US citizens, even if they can’t vote.

We don't even elect Presidents based on getting a majority (or even plurality) of all voters who actually vote, though the method actually used usually (but not always) also happens to elect the person who does that.

Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by abc123abc123 on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @05:36AM (#46286962)
How do you know what he voted for?
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by krior on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @06:52AM (#46287461)
He seems to imply that he is an US citizen and last time I checked the americans voted for Trump.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by estearum on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @07:26AM (#46287702)
Not even 50% of voters voted for Trump

That Trump is even near the reigns of power is obviously an indictment of many facets of American culture and politics, but it doesn't really wash out to every individual American bearing responsibility the way you're suggesting here.

Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by krior on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @08:13AM (#46288093)
Every citizen in a democracy has a responsibility for the actions of their government. Voting does not magically absolve you from that.

And its hard to see the nuance from the outside when all you hear are threats of economic turmoil, death, destruction and war. Every action of the american government regarding my country has been hostile so far, so forgive me for loosing my patience with the american public. All that talk about "land of the free, home of the brave", but as soon as their government threatens the "free world" americans fold over like lawnchairs. Its incredibly dissapointing.

Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by thunky on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @08:22AM (#46288200)
I think you're being too literal. The "you" in "you voted" was the country, not the person.

We're all stuck with some shared ownership for what our country does even if we detest it.

Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by ThunderSizzle on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @06:13AM (#46287210)
What did you vote for?
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by mattmaroon on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @08:20AM (#46288184)
Most of us didn’t vote for Trump. A slim majority of voters did, many of them because he is generally anti-war. (I’ve never liked or voted for him, but his desire to end wars is sincere.)

Many of his ardent supporters are confused as to what we’re doing in Venezuela right now and feel it’s the opposite of what they voted for.

You certainly don’t expect this level of surprises from someone’s second term, but the unprecedented path of his political career has certainly made it much different.

Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by TitaRusell on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @09:20AM (#46288788)
Interestingly in the Netherlands there is a custom that the majority of parliament has to agree to any military missions.

In America one guy can start wars.

Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by mattmaroon on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @10:27AM (#46289702)
Technically he can’t start a war though anymore I’m not even sure where the line is. Is drone bombing a terrorist camp a war? Or an act thereof?
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by sigwinch on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @08:45AM (#46288399)
48.34% shouldn’t be confused with majority.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by mattmaroon on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @09:34AM (#46289002)
OK, plurality.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by array_key_first on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @12:49PM (#46291682)
> I’ve never liked or voted for him, but his desire to end wars is sincere

I mean, evidently not.

Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by LightBug1 on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @06:19AM (#46287256)
You have to own it at this stage. Even if you didn't vote for it. Particularly as that tangerine is in for a second innings. All the world wants to hear is what you're doing to fight the situation, not that it's not your fault.

Thanks

Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by isodev on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @02:01AM (#46285624)
Can’t you do it safely, with transponder on? It’s not like it will get softer or anything.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by perlgeek on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @03:00AM (#46285950)
The proper action then would be to declare war, and announce that the airspace is no longer safe for civilian use.

The whole "oh yes, our military is active, but we aren't at war, and yes, the president tweeted about that" spiel is just untenable and ridiculous.

Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by CrossVR on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @03:36AM (#46286168)
They can't declare war, that would require approval from congress. They're relying on the post-9/11 authorization granted to the president to use the military to go after terrorists and those that harbor them.

That is why this administration is leaning heavily into calling the drug traffickers "narco-terrorists" and calling fentanyl their "weapon of mass destruction". They're covering their ass legally so they can invade another country without congressional approval.

Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by whiddershins on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @04:08AM (#46286352)
congresss did not declare war for any of the post wwii wars.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by armada651 on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @07:59AM (#46287950)
Even without a deceleration of war, any use of the military requires congressional approval unless it falls within some authorization congress has already granted.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by mattmaroon on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @08:14AM (#46288109)
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Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by estearum on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @07:23AM (#46287680)
To be clear, the post-9/11 AUMF is "specific" to people affiliated with the perpetrators of 9/11. Obviously a nexus can be drawn between a gigantic array of people to the perpetrators of 9/11, and this feature has been abused for decades now, but the Venezuelan situation clearly does not actually (or even allegedly) have any nexus whatsoever to 9/11 and so is clearly not authorized by the 2001 AUMF.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by armada651 on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @08:01AM (#46287982)
Sure, it wouldn't hold up in any reasonable court, but all they really need is to give congress some excuse to not intervene and pretending this falls under the 9/11 AUMF is good enough. And once the U.S. is at war with Venezuela not even a court order from the supreme court is going to be able to reverse that.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by neom on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @08:53AM (#46288498)
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/alie...

This is what they're using, the legal theory is basically tren de aragua cartel and their drugs is an "invasion" of the USA and is "sufficiently connected" to the Venezuelan government to trigger the act's wartime powers.

Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by armada651 on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @09:12AM (#46288689)
The only powers this act grants is the power to deport foreign nationals without due process, it does not grant them any powers to militarily invade another country.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by neom on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @09:16AM (#46288741)
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by CrossVR on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @02:50PM (#46293481)
Those military actions are on international waters. There is no legal theory even on the fringes for invading another country using that act.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by wartywhoa23 on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @03:09AM (#46286000)
Welcome to the Brave New World (Order) of post-truth, post-law and special military operations.
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by muragekibicho on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @05:10AM (#46286793)
Is it an inside joke I missed? 'Militarily' here and another comment had 'Bigly'. Is it a Trumpism?
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by ceejayoz on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @06:04AM (#46287146)
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by padjo on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @07:21AM (#46287657)
I believe the term of art de jour is “special military operation”
Re:JetBlue flight averts mid-air collision with US Air Force... by the_af on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @08:08AM (#46288045)
That's the term in Russia. In the USA it's "War on Terror-drugism".