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Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by enopod_ on Monday May 19, 2025 @05:22AM (#44027899)
This seems to be the original research paper: https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25476 [edit: whoops, it's the same paper]

"First, natural wood blocks were immersed in a boiling aqueous solution of mixed 2.5 M NaOH and 0.4 M Na2SO3 for 7 h, followed by immersion in boiling deionized water several times to remove the chemicals. Next, the wood blocks were pressed at 100 °C under a pressure of about 5 MPa for about 1 day to obtain the densified wood"

Pretty simple and straightforward.

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by IgorPartola on Monday May 19, 2025 @07:05AM (#44028476)
So what size will a 2x4 be after that? 0.75x1.25 just doesn’t roll off the tongue, does it?

In seriousness, nominal vs actual sizing is just terrible. Do places outside of North America do this too?

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by dopidopHN on Monday May 19, 2025 @07:41AM (#44028750)
Idk. I never saw a house made a wood beside a ski chalet before ? We use stone.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by supermatt on Monday May 19, 2025 @08:12AM (#44028984)
> I never saw a house made a wood beside a ski chalet before

Maybe you need to get out more? In France new public buildings are mandated to be at least 50% wood or other bio-based renewables. Also ~5% (and increasing) of new domestic builds are timber framed.

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by lukan on Monday May 19, 2025 @08:26AM (#44029083)
Is stone not a bio based renewable?

(Concrete isn't, but plain old stone? Or bricks?)

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by bee_rider on Monday May 19, 2025 @09:56AM (#44029981)
I think this is sort of a more interesting question than the responses you got made it out to be.

Yes, of course, stone doesn’t really grow back on the timescales that we care about. Yes, stone not “bio” in any sense really.

But the goal of the law is not to make biology or geology points. It is to reduce the embodied carbon of new construction. I guess the determination was made that stone has some carbon cost… maybe it comes from the mining?

Or maybe they are trying to kickstart, specifically, a new industry in the field of growable construction material. Maybe they figure stone mining is already well developed tech anyway.

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by dopidopHN on Monday June 02, 2025 @06:12AM (#44157312)
Cinder blocks. That what you are missing here.

Lots of house in France are made of that. Not “rocks” and that is a co2 intensive process to produce concrete.

See : Lafarge

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by zdragnar on Monday May 19, 2025 @08:43AM (#44029257)
Stone is just minerals. There's no organic (bio) component in stone at all.

Likewise, there's nothing renewable about stone. Our primary source is digging it out of the ground.

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by sidewndr46 on Monday May 19, 2025 @09:17AM (#44029545)
Isn't that just a matter of perspective? Most of the stone where I live is made of limestone which is from dead organisms. To the point that you can just break it open and find fossils throughout it.

That isn't renewable in the timeframe of humanity, but in the age of the universe it's renewable.

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by lukan on Monday May 19, 2025 @09:27AM (#44029650)
Good point, there are bio stones, but they are not renewable by our reference. But the vulcano stones are. And we have really lots of other stone underneath. No shortage of them. I would count them renewable.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by generic92034 on Monday May 19, 2025 @12:26PM (#44031523)
If you are counting that as renewable then crude oil could be seen as renewable, too. ;)
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by sidewndr46 on Monday May 19, 2025 @01:25PM (#44032247)
Actually no. The situation that allowed that to happen, won't happen again in our biosphere. There are now microbes that break down decaying plant matter very quickly. So you won't ever get substantial amounts of oil being formed in the earth's crust.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by soulofmischief on Monday May 19, 2025 @08:36AM (#44029196)
Where are we growing new stones?
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by lukan on Monday May 19, 2025 @08:44AM (#44029263)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortar_(masonry)

You can recycle them. And raw stones are not a rare thing and they do get formed new constantly inside the earth.

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by soulofmischief on Monday May 19, 2025 @10:49AM (#44030497)
I also took physical science courses in middle school. Just because new stones are formed within the earth's crust at some marginal rate does not mean that they are considered a renewable resource.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by lukan on Monday May 19, 2025 @01:36PM (#44032416)
Have you every watched a vulcano spit out lava?

I wouldn't call that marginal. And vulcanoes are just the visible part of that process happening everywhere in the crust.

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by soulofmischief on Tuesday May 20, 2025 @10:55AM (#44042347)
We're talking about stone in general. Volcanic stone is one type of stone, which does not cover all of the applications of stone as used in buildings, masonry and other industries today. I also specifically addressed volcanic stones in a sister comment.

Some rate of formation is not enough to satisfy the commonly held definition of renewable resources. Google "is stone a renewable resource" for a jumping off point.

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by wsintra2022 on Monday May 19, 2025 @09:38AM (#44029763)
Iceland architects trying it out next to volcanoes, funnel the molten stuff into building material mounds of some kind
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by soulofmischief on Monday May 19, 2025 @10:50AM (#44030509)
I think that's pretty neat but lava stone is a very particular type of stone with particular properties, suited for specific applications, where as the typical stone you will see in masonry and building materials is not renewable.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by zchrykng on Monday May 19, 2025 @10:34AM (#44030339)
If we run out of stone, we have lots of other problems.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by soulofmischief on Monday May 19, 2025 @10:47AM (#44030485)
That's a non-sequitur. Stone is not considered a renewable resource, which is typically defined as a resource which naturally replenishes itself over time at a meaningful rate compared to the rate of consumption.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by lukan on Monday May 19, 2025 @01:38PM (#44032457)
Do we really consume more stone, than gets relenished? Is that a assumption or well studied topic?
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by soulofmischief on Tuesday May 20, 2025 @12:46PM (#44043539)
It's my assumption based on the fact that we continually mine new portions of the earth over time. Trees and other life exist within regenerative chemical cycles, whereas rock formation is a physical process that consumes some limited supply of material on Earth. I would love to know more about this as well, if you come across any resources.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by zchrykng on Tuesday May 20, 2025 @04:40PM (#44045686)
My point is that "renewable resource" is a fairly meaningless term when applied to stone. Sure, we technically have a finite amount of it on the planet, but we also can't possibly use it all up. Not unless we have technology that would allow us to travel outside the solar system, at which point the limited amount of stone is also moot.

Sure, it doesn't fit the definition, but there is also no reason to care that it doesn't.

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by danielheath on Monday May 19, 2025 @08:58AM (#44029377)
... where the mantle meets the crust?
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by blagie on Monday May 19, 2025 @08:41AM (#44029236)
Why? That seems dumb.

We have concrete buildings going back to Greek and Roman times, mostly standing.

Wooden buildings have a very finite lifespan, and, aside from earthquakes, much less so in a disaster. A wooden city and a steel/brick/concrete city react very differently to firebombing.

Especially with declining populations, it makes sense to build structures to last. The old school brick/concrete/stone/... European buildings from 1500 are largely in good shape, at least where they weren't demolished by war.

Traditional European construction is also much more friendly for heating / cooling. The thermal capacity of stone-based materials helps a lot.

To me, it feels a bit like Germany banning nuclear power plants, and switching to Russian fossil fuels instead...

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by supermatt on Monday May 19, 2025 @08:47AM (#44029285)
What do you mean by "Traditional European construction"? In much of central and northern Europe almost all construction is traditionally wood.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by quetzthecoatl on Monday May 19, 2025 @09:59AM (#44030019)
>In much of central and northern Europe almost all construction is traditionally wood.

That is woke bs and you know it. If it ain't 100% roman concrete, it ain't right.

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by supermatt on Monday May 19, 2025 @10:24AM (#44030247)
Im not sure what you mean by "woke bs" as it is evidentially factual. Most of central and northern Europe wasn't even a part of the roman empire...
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by quetzthecoatl on Tuesday May 20, 2025 @08:50AM (#44040999)
I was joking.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by supermatt on Tuesday May 20, 2025 @11:25AM (#44042673)
that went way over my head :D
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by Hikikomori on Monday May 19, 2025 @12:42PM (#44031667)
Only barbarians with beards use wood.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by blagie on Tuesday May 20, 2025 @08:42AM (#44040926)
Drop a Google Streetview in the middle on downtown classical Gothenberg, and try to find a wood construction building. Sweden is about as northern Europe as it gets. Head over to Amsterdam, and it will look pretty similar.

It will be relatively similar to most other major European cities; solid masonry construction has historically been the norm.

You'll find some wooden houses in smaller towns and rural areas, but even there, if you head over to e.g. Poland, most things will be solid masonry. And the wooden construction is mostly relatively new; what you'll rarely find is old wooden construction.

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by supermatt on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @03:54PM (#44055598)
You're clearly out of your depth here. Dropping into one city on Street View and thinking you understand an entire country's building traditions is laughable.

In Sweden, around 80% of standing homes are wooden. 90% of new single-family homes use wood. Gothenburg is the exception, not the rule, thanks to 19th-century zoning laws that limited wooden buildings to two storeys.

The Netherlands is Western Europe, not Northern or Central - basic geography.

Wood dominates residential construction in Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Sweden, Finland, and Norway. Denmark is about 50/50. Poland uses more masonry today but has a strong wooden tradition in the south.

You're making sweeping claims about places you clearly haven't spent any real time in. Maybe do some proper research before pretending to be an expert.

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by diggan on Monday May 19, 2025 @09:13AM (#44029511)
> Wooden buildings have a very finite lifespan

What is "very finite" here? Where I grew up there are wood houses/barns/structures made entirely out of wood and still standing/being used after hundreds of years. Is that not enough?

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by micromacrofoot on Monday May 19, 2025 @09:20AM (#44029584)
Wood buildings can and have stood for hundreds of years, I'm in one right now. The ROI has been met after a few decades regardless of the material... at this point it becomes more economical to transport lighter materials that are easier to work with. Wood is also better for carbon storage as long as we're sourcing it sustainably. Concrete is one of the most carbon-intense materials out there.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by dopidopHN on Monday June 02, 2025 @06:09AM (#44157302)
I live in NeW Orleans. Where 90% of the housing stock is made of wood.

So the 5% French figures in 2025 confirm my impression. Most stuff are not made of wood in France.

Maybe it’s a language thing : when I say « made of wood » I mean that no stone are involved. There is no percentage. The whole frame is 2 by 4 from Home Depot.

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by skrebbel on Monday May 19, 2025 @09:03AM (#44029405)
Here in NL stone is the traditional building material too, so it's not uncommon to see houses built of wood, but covered in a thin layer of "wallpaper" ("gevelbekleding") that's made of thin sides of real stone bricks. This way the houses look like regular brick houses, but are actually mostly made of wood. The brick-wallpaper means you don't need to paint all the time like in traditional wooden houses (eg in the Nordics), extra bonus. Personally I think it's a bit weird to build a house and fake the building material, but my only point is, you might have seen a lot more wooden houses than you knew!
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by sleepyguy on Monday May 19, 2025 @09:27AM (#44029647)
Are you sure the facade isn't just stone, or do you use stone in interior walls? Most houses in NA are built of wood with a brick or stone facade. Some houses have a facade siding that can be anything from wood to cement board. Typically, the interior of the house is framed with wood or, in some cases, steel (mostly commercial).

The facade of a house or structure is usually tied into the framing so it doesn't fall over. Hence, brick ties are used to secure it to the wood or steel framing.

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by croisillon on Monday May 19, 2025 @10:04AM (#44030063)
they use wood to build houses in the mountains because they already used all the stones to build the mountain
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by barbazoo on Monday May 19, 2025 @10:18AM (#44030193)
BC, most residential building up to a couple stories high are made with mostly lumber I would say.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by imglorp on Monday May 19, 2025 @09:21AM (#44029597)
It's true that dimensions are all screwy, evidently due to variable shrinkage during drying in the old days. The mills control for it now, but meanwhile everyone got used to the weird sizes and we're stuck with them because everyone centered on the shrunk sizes for tooling and standards. Pros know but it's a pain for DIYers.

https://www.inchcalculator.com/actual-size-of-dimensional-lu...

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by lesuorac on Monday May 19, 2025 @10:40AM (#44030414)
> It's true that dimensions are all screwy, evidently due to variable shrinkage during drying in the old days.

That's just an old wives tale.

Lumber shrinks for money reasons, older lumber is bigger [1] with sequential revisions to the standard decreasing it's real size [2] [3] (the difference between 2in and 15/8in in strength is minimal however you can keep doing that math, and they did, to go down from 2in to 1.5in over a century).

[1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/vv9atu/t...

[2]: https://ntrl.ntis.gov/NTRL/dashboard/searchResults/titleDeta...

[3]: https://www.synthmind.com/miscpub_6409.pdf

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by bluGill on Monday May 19, 2025 @01:27PM (#44032278)
Lumber shrinks, but not that much. There was NO standard and so mills just did what felt they could get away with calling a 2x4. Some mills did 2x4 was 2"x4", some did other sizes, it depending on how much they felt they could cheat vs how much they felt advertising the larger size would help. I have seen houses built in 1880 that used modern dimensions for 2x4s.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by PaulDavisThe1st on Monday May 19, 2025 @04:17PM (#44034343)
This person claims otherwise:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaJFudED5FQ

They claim that the change was driven by railroad shipping charges, and wasn't based on drying, but on pre-planing the rough lumber to reduce shipping cost. They further claim that in 1919 the US Dept. of Agriculture studied the issue and ended up defining a national standard for what the post-planed dimensions of a 2x4 should be. And they further claim that it took until the early 1960s to settle on a new standard that matches what we use today.

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by bluGill on Monday May 19, 2025 @04:47PM (#44034695)
I've seen houses built in the late 1960s that used non-standard 2x4s, so I will dispute those facts. I don't remember details (and can't be bothered to look them up), but IIRC several different standards were tried before the current one finally took.

The pre-planing is a common claim, but I don't believe it. They can make lumber whatever size they want - of course they need to plane it, but they just make it larger to account for that. Still the planing excuse it one they like to use because it doesn't show "them" as trying to cheat us.

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by IrishTechie on Monday May 19, 2025 @09:28AM (#44029658)
Definitely done in Ireland and the UK anyway.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by not_a_bot_4sho on Monday May 19, 2025 @12:38PM (#44031619)
> In seriousness, nominal vs actual sizing is just terrible. Do places outside of North America do this too?

I understand the origins of this. But I've never understood why we haven't moved on to actual sizing given the scale at which standardized lumber dimensions are produced

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by bluGill on Monday May 19, 2025 @01:30PM (#44032320)
I'm just glad there is a standard. It doesn't matter much what size it is. What matters is that I can go to any lumber yard/mill when I need more and get it. What matters is that I and my inspector can look at (or more likely memorize!) some charts and be sure that everything is strong enough. Is actually 2"x4" lumber stronger than the standard sizes - yes, but most of the time it doesn't matter, and if it does I really want to step up to 2x6 (or something) because margin of safety is important when you get that close)
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by scythe on Monday May 19, 2025 @08:25AM (#44029070)
The real question for practical purposes is how much of these fine chemicals are actually consumed during the process and how much can be reused. The foul-smelling Kraft process has held on to its title in paper production because the chemicals it uses can be recycled within the plant itself. There are many better, less polluting ways to make paper, but they consume an impractical amount of chemicals which drives the price way out of economic usability.

This process will need to regenerate almost all of that sodium hydroxide and sodium sulfite, or it's just peracetic paper again.

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by koverstreet on Monday May 19, 2025 @08:36AM (#44029188)
I'd rather live next to a leaky paper plant than a teflon plant any day.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by itsbenweeks on Monday May 19, 2025 @09:42AM (#44029818)
I wouldn't. The numerous miscarriages that my grandmother had while living in a mill town, and the cancer diagnoses that followed family who worked at the mill taught me to stay upstream of mill towns.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by zoklet-enjoyer on Monday May 19, 2025 @12:13PM (#44031378)
Visit Int'l Falls, MN. They have a paper mill and then there's another one on the other side of the river in Canada. It's foul
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by gertop on Monday May 19, 2025 @11:55AM (#44031171)
I think it's clear that you're not familiar with how often paper mills have poisoned the nearby populations.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by echelon on Monday May 19, 2025 @09:22AM (#44029599)
I'd rather live next to neither. Paper plants stink.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by Loughla on Monday May 19, 2025 @01:51PM (#44032614)
Absolutely not. Paper mills are fucking nightmares.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by 0x1ceb00da on Monday May 19, 2025 @09:32AM (#44029689)
So I guess boiling and pressing will get rid of the trapped air inside wood and it won't work very well as an insulator?
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by seniortaco on Monday May 19, 2025 @10:37AM (#44030380)
Wood is already a poor insulator, so if it takes up less space and you can fit more insulation, that is better.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by dlubarov on Monday May 19, 2025 @11:24AM (#44030849)
Yes, but if it's a much worse insulator, the extra heat transfer through studs might be more significant?

I'm not sure if it's been measured, but I imagine this densified wood would probably have at least twice the thermal conductivity of typical construction lumber, since naturally dense hardwoods already approach that.

So it seems like we'd basically need to replace 2x studs with 1x studs, assuming the same stud spacing, in order to match the thermal performance of a traditional wall.

I don't think this would be a dealbreaker at all though, one could always use continuous insulation instead of cavity insulation, which has a lot of benefits anyway. Maybe it can end up being a competitor to metal studs for commercial builds, at least.

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by djtango on Monday May 19, 2025 @12:03PM (#44031264)
Not a materials guy but would densified wood lead to such a drastic increase in thermal conductivity?
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by dlubarov on Monday May 19, 2025 @01:44PM (#44032518)
Air has very low thermal conductivity, so for a lot of materials, thermal conductivity is primarily a function of how much air they contain and how it's structured (ideally in tiny pockets to minimize heat transfer through convection). Like spray foams, fiberglass insulation, etc are basically designed to hold air while minimizing convection.

I believe that's somewhat true of woods as well - different woods seem to range from 0.12-0.25 W/(mK) or so, which is somewhat less conductive than the underlying compounds like cellulose (0.4), thanks to the trapped air in wood.

It seems like densifying wood would mitigate the insulation contribution of trapped air, causing thermal conductivity to approache that of the underlying compounds like cellulose, though I'm not sure exactly what those compounds are with their process and how close they get to that air-free extreme.

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by 8note on Monday May 19, 2025 @01:56PM (#44032684)
if you dont make any other changes, it will have some detectable impact, but conductivity is linear with all of conductivity, depth, and area; and the other dimensions can also be changed like the screw diameter/pitch or the dimensions of the stud.

its very unlikely that this change will be an important consideration for house building or shopping though. theres simpler spots to reduce heat loss, like double paning your windows

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by zip1234 on Monday May 19, 2025 @12:34PM (#44031587)
If this just replaces steel beams or allows more post frame construction, the walls wouldn't change. Actually, if used in post frame style construction, it would allow for more space for insulation with less thermal bridging.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by bluGill on Monday May 19, 2025 @01:31PM (#44032342)
In modern construction we already put continuous insulation outside the 2x4 so that we don't have to deal with the studs and how much worse insulation they are.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by dlubarov on Monday May 19, 2025 @01:55PM (#44032667)
I think that's the best practice, also for avoiding condensation, but isn't it pretty uncommon at least for residential builds in the US? Here in Washington, codes were recently changed to require continuous insulation, but I believe that's only with the prescriptive method. From what I've seen most builders seem to continue working around it and doing cavity insulation only.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by bluGill on Monday May 19, 2025 @03:46PM (#44034021)
Depends on where you live, but that seems to be fairly common anyway in new builds.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by jkmcf on Monday May 19, 2025 @11:31AM (#44030924)
My uncle built his home from hardwood. No insulation. In sub freezing temps, you can put your hand in the wood and it isn't cold. Compared to my (poorly) insulated home, it b is significantly better.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by bluGill on Monday May 19, 2025 @01:34PM (#44032377)
That isn't a good way to measure because the inside of the house is warming up the walls. Hardwood is a poor insulator, but it is an insulator. If you touch wood it will feel warm, but it still loses a lot of heat compared to a properly insulated wall.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by Loughla on Monday May 19, 2025 @01:47PM (#44032563)
Are the walls solid hardwood? Is it a cabin? How thick are the walls?
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by olddustytrail on Monday May 19, 2025 @02:17PM (#44032944)
Hearing this reminds me of the Dara O' Briain line that American houses seem to have been built by the first two little pigs.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by jolt42 on Monday May 19, 2025 @01:09PM (#44032038)
"poor insulator", seems like an odd statement, but it's all relative I suppose. It's certainly better than the masonry or steel that this will replace. But if you take the air pockets out of it, then it's not going to be as good, but likely better than steel.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by HWR_14 on Monday May 19, 2025 @10:31AM (#44030305)
Probably not. But it eliminates a lot of what makes wood flammable.

I wonder how it impacts the effects of humidity and time to make wood warp.

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by heywoods on Monday May 19, 2025 @09:51AM (#44029929)
Sounds like a great candidate for decking.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by nemomarx on Monday May 19, 2025 @09:37AM (#44029747)
You probably only use this wood for the frame, or spread through the rest of the wooden structures like rebar?
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by gadflyinyoureye on Monday May 19, 2025 @10:30AM (#44030291)
Wood used in framing has a small r value because of the air. The timber on the exterior prevents all the energy transfer.

The loss of r value can be off set with two 2x4 frames. As strong as a 2x6 wall and about the same price. Added benefit is air gaps.

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by accrual on Monday May 19, 2025 @10:14AM (#44030162)
I wonder if this can help offset the weakness of new growth wood - trees and wood specifically designed for fast growth and quick turn around.

https://brenthull.com/article/old-growth-wood

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by the_sleaze_ on Monday May 19, 2025 @01:51PM (#44032617)
My thoughts as well. I was holding a board the other day and it just seemed, forgive me, aerosol-ized. Like those Aero chocolates that are essentially full of bubbles. "This new wood doesn't feel like wood used to" and shook my fist at the passing cloud.

I have high hopes for this product as a leg of sustainability.

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by m463 on Monday May 19, 2025 @03:43PM (#44033993)
I wonder if it would work for bamboo.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by ksec on Monday May 19, 2025 @08:38PM (#44036566)
My first thought as well. Considering they are the fastest growing plants. We cant stop the world from using steel or be carbon sensitive on things. But as soon as economics incentives kicks in we could decarbonise faster than most could imagine. I really hope timber technology improves to the point like solar where we would plant forest the size of a state.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by 725686 on Monday May 19, 2025 @04:27PM (#44034454)
The problem that I see is that, if the thickness is so drastically reduced as in the video posted somewhere above, you will need (much, much) thicker wood to start with.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by turtlebits on Monday May 19, 2025 @04:52PM (#44034732)
New growth wood is sustainable and is perfectly fine in construction, if you need strength, you can buy LSL/LVLs.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by metalman on Monday May 19, 2025 @12:08PM (#44031334)
There is a great deal of prior art in aviation and automotive engineering for densified wood, which have all proven to be non competitive with metal. Lighter, stronger, but not quickly adaptable to new designs or refinements.....the molds are large, complex, heavy, and expensive. And a simple no go for beams is that they(wood) burns and steel does not, will instantly remove them(wood) from bieng used in most building codes past a certain hight, where minimum times for evacuation durring a fire can not be met.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by foota on Monday May 19, 2025 @12:16PM (#44031406)
I was under the impression that mass timber buildings were actually safer for fires because it takes a very long time to burn through, and unlike steel they won't lose their strength in an intense fire.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by metalman on Monday May 19, 2025 @12:32PM (#44031570)
what maters is time to escape befor "total involvement", or confaguration, steel contributes nothing to a fire, fire cant climb or follow it, and it acts as a heat sink, vs wood, which is fuel. All of the historical mass casualty fire storms, involved wooden structure, and steel, concrete,glass, and brick, ended that. Add in modern fire suppresion and fighting equipment and the current situation is quite secure vs/vs fire. edit, another factor is comunication and road infrastructure, where the recent fire storm in California, destroyed many many wooden structures, but the loss of life was exceptionaly low compared to other firestorms in less developed countrys. woods great, love the stuff, have a lot of wood, live in a wooden house and heat with wood, but there is essentialy no way that can be done with a thousand people in a huge building, so steel, which I also love and work with. Everything in it's place.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by salynchnew on Monday May 19, 2025 @03:56PM (#44034122)
> All of the historical mass casualty fire storms, involved wooden structure, and steel, concrete,glass, and brick, ended that.

You're right insofar as lots of improvements have been made to steel-and-concrete building fire safety since the 1970s. Plastics are sometimes still a problem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenfell_Tower_fire

https://nfsa.org/2023/08/22/understanding-combustible-materi...

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by bluGill on Monday May 19, 2025 @01:39PM (#44032466)
"total involvement", or confaguration, is what matters true. However fires are more complex than that. Generally the wood frame isn't a source of fuel for the fire until later. The carpet and other furniture that is the same in all builds is likely to burn first. Not long after the wood frame is burning the steel frame absorbs enough heat to fail - but either way you really want to be out long before it gets that bad (and probably are dead if you are not)
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by bradknowles on Sunday May 25, 2025 @02:24PM (#44089774)
One of the reasons why Ipe (pronounced “e-pay”) wood is so fire resistant, is because of its density. You can get Class-A fire resistant Ipe that can be used to build in the Wildland/Urban Interface environment. Other woods like Teak and Rock Maple are also super dense, but I don’t know if you can get them in Class A ratings.

Now, Ipe is very expensive. I would hope this is less expensive than Ipe, and then the trick is to make your starting materials much larger, and being able to account for the shrinkage once the densification process has been completed.

You could also do laminates of this densified wood, in order to be able to use it for beams, plywood type functions, etc…. Or even fire resistant 2x4 boards.

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by hatsunearu on Monday May 19, 2025 @12:37PM (#44031615)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CglNRNrMFGM

Here's a NileRed video replicating the process.

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by clayhacks on Monday May 19, 2025 @02:52PM (#44033397)
Ok that was super cool to see. I can see how clearly the process described in the paper has plenty of room for improvement