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Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by dopidopHN on Monday May 19, 2025 @07:41AM (#44028750)
Idk. I never saw a house made a wood beside a ski chalet before ? We use stone.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by supermatt on Monday May 19, 2025 @08:12AM (#44028984)
> I never saw a house made a wood beside a ski chalet before

Maybe you need to get out more? In France new public buildings are mandated to be at least 50% wood or other bio-based renewables. Also ~5% (and increasing) of new domestic builds are timber framed.

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by lukan on Monday May 19, 2025 @08:26AM (#44029083)
Is stone not a bio based renewable?

(Concrete isn't, but plain old stone? Or bricks?)

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by bee_rider on Monday May 19, 2025 @09:56AM (#44029981)
I think this is sort of a more interesting question than the responses you got made it out to be.

Yes, of course, stone doesn’t really grow back on the timescales that we care about. Yes, stone not “bio” in any sense really.

But the goal of the law is not to make biology or geology points. It is to reduce the embodied carbon of new construction. I guess the determination was made that stone has some carbon cost… maybe it comes from the mining?

Or maybe they are trying to kickstart, specifically, a new industry in the field of growable construction material. Maybe they figure stone mining is already well developed tech anyway.

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by dopidopHN on Monday June 02, 2025 @06:12AM (#44157312)
Cinder blocks. That what you are missing here.

Lots of house in France are made of that. Not “rocks” and that is a co2 intensive process to produce concrete.

See : Lafarge

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by zdragnar on Monday May 19, 2025 @08:43AM (#44029257)
Stone is just minerals. There's no organic (bio) component in stone at all.

Likewise, there's nothing renewable about stone. Our primary source is digging it out of the ground.

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by sidewndr46 on Monday May 19, 2025 @09:17AM (#44029545)
Isn't that just a matter of perspective? Most of the stone where I live is made of limestone which is from dead organisms. To the point that you can just break it open and find fossils throughout it.

That isn't renewable in the timeframe of humanity, but in the age of the universe it's renewable.

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by lukan on Monday May 19, 2025 @09:27AM (#44029650)
Good point, there are bio stones, but they are not renewable by our reference. But the vulcano stones are. And we have really lots of other stone underneath. No shortage of them. I would count them renewable.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by generic92034 on Monday May 19, 2025 @12:26PM (#44031523)
If you are counting that as renewable then crude oil could be seen as renewable, too. ;)
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by sidewndr46 on Monday May 19, 2025 @01:25PM (#44032247)
Actually no. The situation that allowed that to happen, won't happen again in our biosphere. There are now microbes that break down decaying plant matter very quickly. So you won't ever get substantial amounts of oil being formed in the earth's crust.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by soulofmischief on Monday May 19, 2025 @08:36AM (#44029196)
Where are we growing new stones?
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by lukan on Monday May 19, 2025 @08:44AM (#44029263)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortar_(masonry)

You can recycle them. And raw stones are not a rare thing and they do get formed new constantly inside the earth.

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by soulofmischief on Monday May 19, 2025 @10:49AM (#44030497)
I also took physical science courses in middle school. Just because new stones are formed within the earth's crust at some marginal rate does not mean that they are considered a renewable resource.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by lukan on Monday May 19, 2025 @01:36PM (#44032416)
Have you every watched a vulcano spit out lava?

I wouldn't call that marginal. And vulcanoes are just the visible part of that process happening everywhere in the crust.

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by soulofmischief on Tuesday May 20, 2025 @10:55AM (#44042347)
We're talking about stone in general. Volcanic stone is one type of stone, which does not cover all of the applications of stone as used in buildings, masonry and other industries today. I also specifically addressed volcanic stones in a sister comment.

Some rate of formation is not enough to satisfy the commonly held definition of renewable resources. Google "is stone a renewable resource" for a jumping off point.

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by wsintra2022 on Monday May 19, 2025 @09:38AM (#44029763)
Iceland architects trying it out next to volcanoes, funnel the molten stuff into building material mounds of some kind
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by soulofmischief on Monday May 19, 2025 @10:50AM (#44030509)
I think that's pretty neat but lava stone is a very particular type of stone with particular properties, suited for specific applications, where as the typical stone you will see in masonry and building materials is not renewable.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by zchrykng on Monday May 19, 2025 @10:34AM (#44030339)
If we run out of stone, we have lots of other problems.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by soulofmischief on Monday May 19, 2025 @10:47AM (#44030485)
That's a non-sequitur. Stone is not considered a renewable resource, which is typically defined as a resource which naturally replenishes itself over time at a meaningful rate compared to the rate of consumption.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by lukan on Monday May 19, 2025 @01:38PM (#44032457)
Do we really consume more stone, than gets relenished? Is that a assumption or well studied topic?
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by soulofmischief on Tuesday May 20, 2025 @12:46PM (#44043539)
It's my assumption based on the fact that we continually mine new portions of the earth over time. Trees and other life exist within regenerative chemical cycles, whereas rock formation is a physical process that consumes some limited supply of material on Earth. I would love to know more about this as well, if you come across any resources.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by zchrykng on Tuesday May 20, 2025 @04:40PM (#44045686)
My point is that "renewable resource" is a fairly meaningless term when applied to stone. Sure, we technically have a finite amount of it on the planet, but we also can't possibly use it all up. Not unless we have technology that would allow us to travel outside the solar system, at which point the limited amount of stone is also moot.

Sure, it doesn't fit the definition, but there is also no reason to care that it doesn't.

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by danielheath on Monday May 19, 2025 @08:58AM (#44029377)
... where the mantle meets the crust?
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by blagie on Monday May 19, 2025 @08:41AM (#44029236)
Why? That seems dumb.

We have concrete buildings going back to Greek and Roman times, mostly standing.

Wooden buildings have a very finite lifespan, and, aside from earthquakes, much less so in a disaster. A wooden city and a steel/brick/concrete city react very differently to firebombing.

Especially with declining populations, it makes sense to build structures to last. The old school brick/concrete/stone/... European buildings from 1500 are largely in good shape, at least where they weren't demolished by war.

Traditional European construction is also much more friendly for heating / cooling. The thermal capacity of stone-based materials helps a lot.

To me, it feels a bit like Germany banning nuclear power plants, and switching to Russian fossil fuels instead...

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by supermatt on Monday May 19, 2025 @08:47AM (#44029285)
What do you mean by "Traditional European construction"? In much of central and northern Europe almost all construction is traditionally wood.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by quetzthecoatl on Monday May 19, 2025 @09:59AM (#44030019)
>In much of central and northern Europe almost all construction is traditionally wood.

That is woke bs and you know it. If it ain't 100% roman concrete, it ain't right.

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by supermatt on Monday May 19, 2025 @10:24AM (#44030247)
Im not sure what you mean by "woke bs" as it is evidentially factual. Most of central and northern Europe wasn't even a part of the roman empire...
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by quetzthecoatl on Tuesday May 20, 2025 @08:50AM (#44040999)
I was joking.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by supermatt on Tuesday May 20, 2025 @11:25AM (#44042673)
that went way over my head :D
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by Hikikomori on Monday May 19, 2025 @12:42PM (#44031667)
Only barbarians with beards use wood.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by blagie on Tuesday May 20, 2025 @08:42AM (#44040926)
Drop a Google Streetview in the middle on downtown classical Gothenberg, and try to find a wood construction building. Sweden is about as northern Europe as it gets. Head over to Amsterdam, and it will look pretty similar.

It will be relatively similar to most other major European cities; solid masonry construction has historically been the norm.

You'll find some wooden houses in smaller towns and rural areas, but even there, if you head over to e.g. Poland, most things will be solid masonry. And the wooden construction is mostly relatively new; what you'll rarely find is old wooden construction.

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by supermatt on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @03:54PM (#44055598)
You're clearly out of your depth here. Dropping into one city on Street View and thinking you understand an entire country's building traditions is laughable.

In Sweden, around 80% of standing homes are wooden. 90% of new single-family homes use wood. Gothenburg is the exception, not the rule, thanks to 19th-century zoning laws that limited wooden buildings to two storeys.

The Netherlands is Western Europe, not Northern or Central - basic geography.

Wood dominates residential construction in Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Sweden, Finland, and Norway. Denmark is about 50/50. Poland uses more masonry today but has a strong wooden tradition in the south.

You're making sweeping claims about places you clearly haven't spent any real time in. Maybe do some proper research before pretending to be an expert.

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by diggan on Monday May 19, 2025 @09:13AM (#44029511)
> Wooden buildings have a very finite lifespan

What is "very finite" here? Where I grew up there are wood houses/barns/structures made entirely out of wood and still standing/being used after hundreds of years. Is that not enough?

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by micromacrofoot on Monday May 19, 2025 @09:20AM (#44029584)
Wood buildings can and have stood for hundreds of years, I'm in one right now. The ROI has been met after a few decades regardless of the material... at this point it becomes more economical to transport lighter materials that are easier to work with. Wood is also better for carbon storage as long as we're sourcing it sustainably. Concrete is one of the most carbon-intense materials out there.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by dopidopHN on Monday June 02, 2025 @06:09AM (#44157302)
I live in NeW Orleans. Where 90% of the housing stock is made of wood.

So the 5% French figures in 2025 confirm my impression. Most stuff are not made of wood in France.

Maybe it’s a language thing : when I say « made of wood » I mean that no stone are involved. There is no percentage. The whole frame is 2 by 4 from Home Depot.

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by skrebbel on Monday May 19, 2025 @09:03AM (#44029405)
Here in NL stone is the traditional building material too, so it's not uncommon to see houses built of wood, but covered in a thin layer of "wallpaper" ("gevelbekleding") that's made of thin sides of real stone bricks. This way the houses look like regular brick houses, but are actually mostly made of wood. The brick-wallpaper means you don't need to paint all the time like in traditional wooden houses (eg in the Nordics), extra bonus. Personally I think it's a bit weird to build a house and fake the building material, but my only point is, you might have seen a lot more wooden houses than you knew!
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by sleepyguy on Monday May 19, 2025 @09:27AM (#44029647)
Are you sure the facade isn't just stone, or do you use stone in interior walls? Most houses in NA are built of wood with a brick or stone facade. Some houses have a facade siding that can be anything from wood to cement board. Typically, the interior of the house is framed with wood or, in some cases, steel (mostly commercial).

The facade of a house or structure is usually tied into the framing so it doesn't fall over. Hence, brick ties are used to secure it to the wood or steel framing.

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by croisillon on Monday May 19, 2025 @10:04AM (#44030063)
they use wood to build houses in the mountains because they already used all the stones to build the mountain
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by barbazoo on Monday May 19, 2025 @10:18AM (#44030193)
BC, most residential building up to a couple stories high are made with mostly lumber I would say.