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Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by 0x1ceb00da on Monday May 19, 2025 @09:32AM (#44029689)
So I guess boiling and pressing will get rid of the trapped air inside wood and it won't work very well as an insulator?
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by seniortaco on Monday May 19, 2025 @10:37AM (#44030380)
Wood is already a poor insulator, so if it takes up less space and you can fit more insulation, that is better.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by dlubarov on Monday May 19, 2025 @11:24AM (#44030849)
Yes, but if it's a much worse insulator, the extra heat transfer through studs might be more significant?

I'm not sure if it's been measured, but I imagine this densified wood would probably have at least twice the thermal conductivity of typical construction lumber, since naturally dense hardwoods already approach that.

So it seems like we'd basically need to replace 2x studs with 1x studs, assuming the same stud spacing, in order to match the thermal performance of a traditional wall.

I don't think this would be a dealbreaker at all though, one could always use continuous insulation instead of cavity insulation, which has a lot of benefits anyway. Maybe it can end up being a competitor to metal studs for commercial builds, at least.

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by djtango on Monday May 19, 2025 @12:03PM (#44031264)
Not a materials guy but would densified wood lead to such a drastic increase in thermal conductivity?
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by dlubarov on Monday May 19, 2025 @01:44PM (#44032518)
Air has very low thermal conductivity, so for a lot of materials, thermal conductivity is primarily a function of how much air they contain and how it's structured (ideally in tiny pockets to minimize heat transfer through convection). Like spray foams, fiberglass insulation, etc are basically designed to hold air while minimizing convection.

I believe that's somewhat true of woods as well - different woods seem to range from 0.12-0.25 W/(mK) or so, which is somewhat less conductive than the underlying compounds like cellulose (0.4), thanks to the trapped air in wood.

It seems like densifying wood would mitigate the insulation contribution of trapped air, causing thermal conductivity to approache that of the underlying compounds like cellulose, though I'm not sure exactly what those compounds are with their process and how close they get to that air-free extreme.

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by 8note on Monday May 19, 2025 @01:56PM (#44032684)
if you dont make any other changes, it will have some detectable impact, but conductivity is linear with all of conductivity, depth, and area; and the other dimensions can also be changed like the screw diameter/pitch or the dimensions of the stud.

its very unlikely that this change will be an important consideration for house building or shopping though. theres simpler spots to reduce heat loss, like double paning your windows

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by zip1234 on Monday May 19, 2025 @12:34PM (#44031587)
If this just replaces steel beams or allows more post frame construction, the walls wouldn't change. Actually, if used in post frame style construction, it would allow for more space for insulation with less thermal bridging.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by bluGill on Monday May 19, 2025 @01:31PM (#44032342)
In modern construction we already put continuous insulation outside the 2x4 so that we don't have to deal with the studs and how much worse insulation they are.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by dlubarov on Monday May 19, 2025 @01:55PM (#44032667)
I think that's the best practice, also for avoiding condensation, but isn't it pretty uncommon at least for residential builds in the US? Here in Washington, codes were recently changed to require continuous insulation, but I believe that's only with the prescriptive method. From what I've seen most builders seem to continue working around it and doing cavity insulation only.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by bluGill on Monday May 19, 2025 @03:46PM (#44034021)
Depends on where you live, but that seems to be fairly common anyway in new builds.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by jkmcf on Monday May 19, 2025 @11:31AM (#44030924)
My uncle built his home from hardwood. No insulation. In sub freezing temps, you can put your hand in the wood and it isn't cold. Compared to my (poorly) insulated home, it b is significantly better.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by bluGill on Monday May 19, 2025 @01:34PM (#44032377)
That isn't a good way to measure because the inside of the house is warming up the walls. Hardwood is a poor insulator, but it is an insulator. If you touch wood it will feel warm, but it still loses a lot of heat compared to a properly insulated wall.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by Loughla on Monday May 19, 2025 @01:47PM (#44032563)
Are the walls solid hardwood? Is it a cabin? How thick are the walls?
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by olddustytrail on Monday May 19, 2025 @02:17PM (#44032944)
Hearing this reminds me of the Dara O' Briain line that American houses seem to have been built by the first two little pigs.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by jolt42 on Monday May 19, 2025 @01:09PM (#44032038)
"poor insulator", seems like an odd statement, but it's all relative I suppose. It's certainly better than the masonry or steel that this will replace. But if you take the air pockets out of it, then it's not going to be as good, but likely better than steel.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by HWR_14 on Monday May 19, 2025 @10:31AM (#44030305)
Probably not. But it eliminates a lot of what makes wood flammable.

I wonder how it impacts the effects of humidity and time to make wood warp.

Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by heywoods on Monday May 19, 2025 @09:51AM (#44029929)
Sounds like a great candidate for decking.
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by nemomarx on Monday May 19, 2025 @09:37AM (#44029747)
You probably only use this wood for the frame, or spread through the rest of the wooden structures like rebar?
Re:InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger ... by gadflyinyoureye on Monday May 19, 2025 @10:30AM (#44030291)
Wood used in framing has a small r value because of the air. The timber on the exterior prevents all the energy transfer.

The loss of r value can be off set with two 2x4 frames. As strong as a 2x6 wall and about the same price. Added benefit is air gaps.