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Re:Grok3 Launch by phtrivier on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @03:25AM (#43087297)
Off topic, but just in case: is there a good reference on how people actually use LLMs on a daily basis ? All my attempts so far have been pretty underwhelming:

* when I use chatbots as search engines, I'm very quickly disappointed by obvious hallucinations

* I ended up disabling github copilot because it was just "auto-complete on steroids" at best, and "auto-complete on mushrooms" at worst

* I rarely have use cases where I have to "generate a plausible page of text that statistically looks like the internet" - usually, when I have to write about something, it's to put information that's in my head into other people head

* I'd love to have something that reads all my codebase and draws graphs, explain how things work, etc... But I tried aider/ollama, etc.. and nothing even starts making sense (is that an avenue to persevere in, though ?)

* At once, I tried to write in plain english a situation where a team has to do X tasks, in Y weeks, and I needed a table of who should be working on what for each week. I was impressed that LLMs were able to produce a table - the slight problem was that, of course, the table was completely wrong. Again, is it just bad prompting ?

It's an interesting problem when you don't know if you're just having a solution in search of a problem, or if you're missing something obvious about how to use a tool.

Also, all introductory texts about LLMs go into many details about how they're made (NNs and transformers and large corpuses and lots of electricity etc...) but "what you can do with it" looks like toy examples / simply not what I do."

So, what is the "start from here" about what it can really do ?

Re:Grok3 Launch by namaria on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @03:31AM (#43087331)
The only plausible explanation for the amount of resources poured into these language models is the hope that they somehow become the origin of AGI, which I think is pretty fanciful.

I can feel the cold wind of the next AI winter coming on. It's inevitable. Computers are good at emulating intelligent behavior, people get excited that it's around the corner, and the hype boils over. This isn't the last time this will happen.

Re:Grok3 Launch by antupis on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @03:58AM (#43087536)
I think this still applies https://x.com/dwarkesh_sp/status/1888164523984470055, LLMs now are useful but we need something else for AGI.
Re:Grok3 Launch by mettamage on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @08:00AM (#43088987)
Fun! I'll try it out, being a scientist with some LLM.
Re:Grok3 Launch by olalonde on Wednesday February 19, 2025 @10:18PM (#43110707)
Didn't take long for this comment to age poorly :) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43102528
Re:Grok3 Launch by gordon_freeman on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @03:56AM (#43087516)
Everyone seems to have a different definition for AGI. Is there some kind of standard there?
Re:Grok3 Launch by mrkstu on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @09:03AM (#43089566)
No- but the main issue is that all reasonable ones I can conceive lead inevitably to the Singularity technologically, and pretty quickly since we seem determined to throw as much silicon as possible at the problem. Hopefully the final step is intractable.
Re:Grok3 Launch by iamnotagenius on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @05:28AM (#43088073)
precisely; however this time we will have tangible results from the ongoing AI summer; that would be generative art, and coding/writing/journalist assistants.
Re:Grok3 Launch by namaria on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @05:30AM (#43088088)
There are always dividends. We got a lot of interest in Lisp from the first summer, and it arguably informed all currently used programming languages.
Re:Grok3 Launch by iamnotagenius on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @05:43AM (#43088156)
though the dividends were not obvious to the lay people vs now. Which means that upcoming winter won't be as cold.
Re:Grok3 Launch by Cemlolo on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @07:42AM (#43088833)
I can't feel any cold right now at all.

On all corners people work on so many small pieces advancing what we have.

And plenty of obvious things are not here yet like a full local dev cycle aka ai uses the IDE to change code them executes it, fixes compiler issues and unit tests and then opens a pr.

Local agents/ agents having secure and selected access to our data like giving my agent read only access to my bank account and a 2factor way for it to send money.

Deepseek's reinforcement learning is also a huge new lead.

Nonetheless in parallel robots are coming too.

GenAI is getting better and better. Faster and better video and cheaper. 3D meshes, textures first GenAI ads

Re:Grok3 Launch by olalonde on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @08:25AM (#43089180)
I predict this comment will age very, very poorly. Bookmarked.
Re:Grok3 Launch by brulard on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @09:11AM (#43089662)
I feel like 50/50 chance of his or your comment aging poorly.
Re:Grok3 Launch by olalonde on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @10:40AM (#43090769)
I feel there's a high probability your comment doesn't mean what you think it does (unless you truly believe both outcomes are as likely).
Re:Grok3 Launch by brulard on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @03:58PM (#43095032)
Not sure how else could I have meant that.
Re:Grok3 Launch by olalonde on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @09:02PM (#43097696)
It seemed like you intended to present your comment as a tautology (e.g. "I feel there's a 100% chance of his or your comment aging poorly"), but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt!
Re:Grok3 Launch by brulard on Wednesday February 19, 2025 @05:24AM (#43100594)
Yeah, that's a good point. I just think it can go either way. I remember in 2015 how hyped we were around self-driving cars and thought "in 10 years there will be majority of cars like that". Right now we may see steady increase in capabilities of AI for years to come, or we may see it plateauing.
Re:Grok3 Launch by namaria on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @09:36AM (#43089945)
Cool. Invest in it then. That way you get paid instead of saying "I told you so" to some screen name.
Re:Grok3 Launch by guax on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @10:03AM (#43090295)
I think the amount of money is explained in part by hubris. People in high positions think they're at least what they earn more smart and capable than people at the bottom of the org. So its reasonable, expected, borderline obvious that a computer bot can replace that person. So you're betting on the ability of it to get rid, if not of your junior devs at least the majority of your customer support staff.

In reality people doing "menial" jobs are smart and learn and operate with a lot of nuance than people ignore given unfamiliarity or just prejudice. Do you prefer to talk to a chatbot or a real human when you have a problem, how confident are you really, that even if the bot knows what the problem is it would be able to solve it.

Lots of problems with customer care is anchored in the issue that support staff is not allowed to fix or resolve problems without escalation or attempts at keeping you from costing more money. The bot might be better at it for the company because it will frustrate you enough to give up that 30 bucks refund, idk.

Ai seems to change a lot the dynamics of corporate jobs but I haven't seen yet anything that would be a game changer outside of it. Its great for searching company unorganised and messy knowledge bases.

Re:Grok3 Launch by Workaccount2 on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @10:10AM (#43090373)
I think the snag I feel in your argument comes from

>Computers are good at emulating intelligent behavior

Which implies that the brain is some kind of transcendent device that can backdoor physics to output incredible intelligence unique to it's magical structure.

Maybe LLMs aren't the key, but as far as we can tell the brain is also just another computer.

Re:Grok3 Launch by namaria on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @10:41AM (#43090790)
Holy strawman batman.
Re:Grok3 Launch by Workaccount2 on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @11:18AM (#43091364)
Care to differentiate intelligence from emulating intelligence?
Re:Grok3 Launch by namaria on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @11:39AM (#43091785)
No, it would be very hard and you already showed to not be arguing in good faith so I don't want to invest the time and effort.

And let me be very clear on why, because I love having conversations about this theme: it promises to be an adversarial and frustrating exchange.

Re:Grok3 Launch by djaychela on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @03:46AM (#43087470)
My wife has found ChatGPT extremely useful when dealing with her mother - who has bipolar and is obsessed with other people's health. I've got a terminal cancer diagnosis and handling my mother-in-law has been extremely difficult - nearly to the point of no longer having any communication with her. ChatGPT has a single conversation with all the back story and has put some useful points across when discussing how difficult her behaviour has been (she watched a operation that failed for me for entertainment, for instance).

I have found similar when giving backstory and needing help to start structuring difficult conversations where I want to say the right thing but also need to be sensitive.

Re:Grok3 Launch by procaryote on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @03:50AM (#43087489)
I'm sorry for your situation.

> she watched a operation that failed for me for entertainment, for instance

You make your own choices, but cutting a person like this off would be very reasonable

Re:Grok3 Launch by djaychela on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @04:09AM (#43087605)
Absolutely, but it's my wife who will have to live with the consequences long-term, so I'm being led by her.
Re:Grok3 Launch by prmoustache on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @08:20AM (#43089124)
You cutting off from your mother in law doesn't mean your wife has to.
Re:Grok3 Launch by djaychela on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @11:46AM (#43091900)
You don't know my mother-in-law!!!
Re:Grok3 Launch by pjc50 on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @08:01AM (#43088995)
Man. :( We worry about the AI being inhuman, but robotic meaningless pleasantry is in some cases a significant upgrade from human cruelty.
Re:Grok3 Launch by panphora on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @10:25AM (#43090571)
You might find this optimal conversation path finder app of interest: https://x.com/eddybuild/status/1889908182501433669
Re:Grok3 Launch by bhl on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @04:07AM (#43087597)
I use it everyday.

For coding, I use cursor composer to gather context about the existing codebase (context.md). Then I paste that into DeepSeek R1 to iterate on requirements and draft a high level design document, maybe some implementation details (design.md).

Paste that back into composer, and iterate; then write tests. When I'm almost done, I ask composer to generate me a document on the changes it made and I double check that with R1 again for a final pass (changes.md).

Then I'm basically done.

This is architect-editor mode: https://aider.chat/2024/09/26/architect.html.

I've found Cursor + DeepSeek R1 extremely useful, to the point that I've structured a lot of documents in the codebase to be easily greppable and executable by composer. Benefit of that is that other developers (and their composers) can read the docs themselves.

Engineers can self-onboard onto the codebase, and non-technical people can unstuck themselves with SQL statements with composer now.

Re:Grok3 Launch by tmikaeld on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @04:27AM (#43087715)
This is the way.

Seriously, this is the only useful flow I've found for AI coding in general..

Re:Grok3 Launch by phtrivier on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @05:11AM (#43087987)
Cursor is not yet an option for me, but at least it means aider is not a dead-end. Thanks for the info.
Re:Grok3 Launch by trash_cat on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @10:49AM (#43090880)
Could you elaboreate why cursor is a dead-end?
Re:Grok3 Launch by RobinL on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @07:03AM (#43088589)
This sounds great - would love to hear a little more about the prompts. Are you literally just asking 'write me a context.md that explains how feature x works' or something like that?
Re:Grok3 Launch by bhl on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @04:25PM (#43095309)
For context.md, it's that simple because it's unstructured data extraction from your codebase and working with a regular LLM model.

For design.md, I have a prompt because we're now working with a reasoning model and doing structured data extraction: create me an issue on Linear with a title, description, and a to-do list.

I would recommend trying the approach yourself and saving the prompts if you can nail down the repetitive asks.

Re:Grok3 Launch by RobinL on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @04:59PM (#43095657)
Thank you!
Re:Grok3 Launch by trash_cat on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @09:31AM (#43089885)
Correct me if I am wrong, but the whole premise is of Cursor and Windsurf is that this architect-editor mode already being built in into the editor. This is why there is a distinction between composer (Editor) and chat function (arhitecture).
Re:Grok3 Launch by bhl on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @04:17PM (#43095228)
Haven't tried Windsurf yet.

Chat function is just chat; it can't edit your files.

Composer probably relies on prompt engineering to do editor-architecture, as it reads and writes to your codebase. But it's heavily heavily to Sonnet 3.5 and tool-calling.

For architecture-type stuff, I prefer DeepSeek R1 as reasoning models do better on high level design. Which is why I will copy and paste in and out of compsoer.

Re:Grok3 Launch by jaggederest on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @03:45AM (#43087463)
Here's some things I have in my chatgpt history:

- Discussing the various stages of candymaking and their relation to the fundamental properties of sugar syrups, and which candies are crystalline vs amorphous. It turns out junior mints are fudge. Fondant is really just fudge. Everything is fudge, my god.

- Summarizing various SEC filings and related paperwork to understand the implications of an activist investor intervening in a company

- Discussing the relative film merits of the movie Labyrinth and other similar 80s kitsch movies. ChatGPT mentioned the phenomenon of "twin films" which was an interesting digression.

- Learning about various languages Tolkien invented and their ties to actual linguistics of natural languages and other conlangs

- Some dimensional analysis of volumes, specifically relating to things like "how many beans are in the jar" estimation and what the min and max of a particular weight of coins might be valued, in terms of both a par value based on a standard coin mix and outliers of, for example, old dimes that are pure silver.

- Discussion of quines in prolog and other languages, which resulted in a very interesting ChatGPT bug where it started recursing and broke when trying to write a prolog quine.

- Back of the envelope economic calculations around the magnitude of the housing deficit and the relative GDP cost for providing enough housing quickly enough to make an impact. Spoiler: it's probably unreasonably expensive to build enough houses to bring down housing prices by any significant degree, and even if we wanted to, there's not enough skilled workers.

- A number of podcasts transcribed. (I hate audio and meandering, so transcribed and summarized is perfect) I could use whisper and a python script to do this, but I'd rather let ChatGPT do the legwork, and it actually used a more modern model and method of processing than I would have naively used.

I find Github Copilot to be a really great autocomplete. I frequently write the comment at the top of a function and hit tab and it writes the whole function. This is dependent on typescript and having a relatively standard codebase but I think those things are useful on their own. You really have to limit it in terms of scope and specifics, but it lets me think high level instead of worrying about syntax.

Re:Grok3 Launch by danparsonson on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @08:10AM (#43089054)
> Everything is fudge, my god

Fudge is made with milk - am I missing a joke?

Re:Grok3 Launch by jaggederest on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @01:48PM (#43093535)
Technically fudge is just a crystalline sugar candy with a certain water percentage. Milk is optional (and frequently omitted). Reese's peanut butter cups are fudge, for example.
Re:Grok3 Launch by danparsonson on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @06:43PM (#43096611)
Forgive me for asking but... do you have a source for that other than an LLM? Every search I've tried just confirms what I already thought.
Re:Grok3 Launch by jaggederest on Wednesday February 19, 2025 @12:48AM (#43098996)
This explains better what I mean. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fudge#Texture - milk is added only as a stabilizer, and many candies that resemble fudge in texture incorporate milk or other stabilizers to prevent too rapid a crystallization. Fondant is just fudge without stabilizers.
Re:Grok3 Launch by jfim on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @03:38AM (#43087404)
I've found that Claude has been pretty decent at writing boilerplate code.

For example asking it something like "I have an elixir app that is started with `mix ...` can you give me a Dockerfile to run it in a container?"

It can also do things like "Given this code snippet, can you make it more Pythonic" or even generate simple apps from scratch.

For example, a prompt like "Can you write me a snake game in HTML and JavaScript? The snake should eat hot dog emojis to grow longer." will actually generate something that works. You can see the generated code for that prompt at https://claude.site/artifacts/34540f88-965e-45ca-8083-040e30...

Following up with "Can you make it so that people can swipe on mobile to control the snake?" generates https://claude.site/artifacts/651e957a-9957-488c-ae6b-e81348... which is pretty good IMO for 30 seconds of effort.

It also has a surprisingly competent analysis mode where you can upload a CSV and have it generate charts and analyze the data.

It's not perfect, it'll sometimes get confused or generate some dubious code, but you can quickly get to a 90% good solution with 1% of the effort, which is pretty impressive IMO.

Re:Grok3 Launch by nomilk on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @04:06AM (#43087586)
This video's pretty great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRuLgar5XZw

One thing I can't figure out how to get LLMs to do is truely finish work. For example if I have 100 items that need xyz done to them, it will do it for the first 10 or so and say ~"and so on". I have a lot of trouble getting LLMs to do tasks that might take 10 mins - 1h. They always seem to simply want to give an example. Batch processing is the answer, I guess, or perhaps more 'agentic' models/tools - but I wonder if there are other ways.

Re:Grok3 Launch by phtrivier on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @05:12AM (#43087998)
Thanks for the link.

(Other answers are people gathering examples, which is nice, but I'm looking for more structured things.

And, I suppose I could ask an LLM, but my main problem is that... I don't really _trust_ LLMs yet :D )

Re:Grok3 Launch by qingcharles on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @03:42AM (#43087440)
I use LLMs significantly on a daily basis, mostly for coding C#, HTML, CSS, SQL. I use them for researching for wiki articles. I use it for summarizing long web pages and science papers. I use them for translation. I used GPT last night to repair my furnace (I've never opened a furnace before).

It (mostly) exceeds and excels at every task I use it for. I'm rarely disappointed. YMMV.

Absolutely life-changing for me.

Re:Grok3 Launch by sanswork on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @03:35AM (#43087375)
Autocomplete on steroids is what I use it for. I've recently started using Cursor and the productivity improvements have been huge. I won't let it write very large blocks of code but I do a lot of web stuff so being able to update the classes in one spot and have it recognise all the other places that might be helpful and let me just tab through. Code to test things it's pretty good at as well which also saves a lot of typing.
Re:Grok3 Launch by jagermo on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @03:40AM (#43087424)
For me, getting summaries of meetings is my favorite use case. Saves me from taking notes and I can extract next steps.

It also helps me getting started with new content, kind of building the scaffolding of, say, a blog or social post. It still needs adaption and fine-tuning, but getting rid of a white page is a great help for me.

And I use LLMs to play through ideas and headlines. I would normally do this with other humans, but since working full remote, its a nice sparing partner, although the AI not being able to really give criticism is a bit annoying.

The tools also make it easier to write in English as a non-native, making sure my text does not include any false friends or grammar errors.

Re:Grok3 Launch by Yizahi on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @05:19AM (#43088025)
Meeting summaries is the most hilarious thing these neural networks have produced. I don't know which NN model does Zoom use, but the text it produces is super funny :) . It basically can't parse half of the words, and then generate a random sentences using the remaining ones.
Re:Grok3 Launch by jagermo on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @07:32AM (#43088762)
Agreed, it was super funny, especially if a song played in the beginning or if you switched languages. It has gotten way better, at least in my experience.
Re:Grok3 Launch by theshackleford on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @09:33AM (#43089917)
> although the AI not being able to really give criticism is a bit annoying.

I’ve managed to get ChatGPT to a good place in this regard recently and it’s better for it. In fact, it’s been doing such a good job recently that it almost seems like…human like.

I’ll have to look at my prompts, but somehow I got it from licking my ass and telling me everything I say and do is amazing to a point now where it almost seems eager to tell me I’m wrong.

Which is fantastic, huge improvement. I don’t really use it for coding though, because I am not a programmer. I would have no means today to correctly evaluate 90% of what it would return me.

Re:Grok3 Launch by staticman2 on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @03:43AM (#43087453)
These probably aren't tasks you need done but;

LLMs are pretty good at translation between human languages which makes sense since they are language models after all. They are better at this any any other technology.

The state of the art image ones can also probably do OCR and handwriting recognition better than any other software though may be expensive to run in large volume. But if you need to take picture of a notebook page with your camera phone an LLM can quickly OCR it.

Re:Grok3 Launch by iamnotagenius on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @05:32AM (#43088099)
Not quite true; LLMs are very expensive to run; bert or other tranformer specfically built for translation can be cheaper to run.
Re:Grok3 Launch by mtaras on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @04:00AM (#43087545)
The Vergecast recently did a section where they asked listeners what they use LLMs for (specifically not for coding) https://youtu.be/WwNjBNtZ3Co 30 minutes starting at 45:25, it had a number of interesting examples. Might not convince you of LLM's excellence, or might not be much different from what other people commented, but it's a good listen nonetheless.
Re:Grok3 Launch by tkgally on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @04:02AM (#43087557)
The sister comments contain quite a few specific examples. But the many back-and-forth arguments here on HN about whether LLMs are useful for coding suggest that understanding how they might or might not be used may be the biggest challenge at this point.

I myself use them a lot, though I constantly feel that I would be able to get more out of them if only I were smarter.

Re:Grok3 Launch by wobfan on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @04:11AM (#43087619)
I feel that I would be smarter if I wouldn’t use them constantly.
Re:Grok3 Launch by mwigdahl on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @09:49AM (#43090115)
You could quit using high level language compilers also, jump back to pure assembly, and get smarter still!
Re:Grok3 Launch by nmeofthestate on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @04:01AM (#43087551)
I just used chat gpt to summarise a HN post about it taking unexpectedly long to install a washing machine because of unexpected turns of events, and this being analogous to software development. It was a time-saver.
Re:Grok3 Launch by maciekpaprocki on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @03:52AM (#43087495)
finally, after two years of hype I have some usage for llm.

we import descriptions of products from a seller. the problem is they are mental ( probably written by chatgpt :)) and are way too long. we need only small blurb.

I put our style guide and given text to chatgpt and I get somehow reasonable description back. then editors still need to check it, but it's way less work.

Re:Grok3 Launch by phtrivier on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @05:06AM (#43087957)
I've seen a comic at the beginning of the LLM hype where:

* in panel A, some guy is proud to use ChatGPT to turn 3 lines of text into a 10 pages report

* in panel B, some girl is happy to use ChatGPT to summarize the 10 pages report into 3 lines

It was meant to be _satire_, not the sales pitch ;)

Re:Grok3 Launch by snowwrestler on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @08:02AM (#43088999)
Reminds me of a great joke tweet:

> ZIZEK: that AI will be the death of learning & so on; to this, I say NO! My student brings me their essay, which has been written by AI, & I plug it into my grading AI, & we are free! While the 'learning' happens, our superego satisfied, we are free now to learn whatever we want

https://x.com/luminancebloom/status/1600598003391266816

Re:Grok3 Launch by liampulles on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @03:35AM (#43087366)
I don't use it daily, and I find copilot counterproductive (for me). I do try to experiment with chatgpt when I remember to.

I find it good for complex SQL, reviewing emails, and Godot assistance (I'm a beginner game Dev).

There are also times when I have programming questions and I might try to use chatgpt, with mixed results.

Our company has tried to integrate it into one of our products, and I find it troubling how on occassion it is confidently giving bad results, but my concern seems to be in the minority.

EDIT: there was also a large refactor I did recently which involved lots of repeatable, but not super regexable, changes - chatgpt forgot where it was as I went through it, but other than working around that it was very useful.

Re:Grok3 Launch by brulard on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @09:26AM (#43089817)
In the last few days I discovered it's good at medium-complexity SQL, not at really more complex ones. I'm struggling like 4th day with Claude, ChatGPT, Gemini and Deepseek. All could do some good analysis with some low-hanging fruit improvements, but all went completely crazy when trying to optimize more complex things, getting into loops proposing the same changes over and over, outputting invalid SQL, and gemini even forgot what we were doing, asking me if I could paste again the query i included in the very first message. Maybe the chain of thought models would handle this better, but I believe I hit the limit for the standard ones.
Re:Grok3 Launch by liampulles on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @12:24PM (#43092425)
Probably my complex SQL is your medium-complexity SQL. SQL is not a big part of my current project.
Re:Grok3 Launch by TomK32 on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @04:02AM (#43087556)
I like having fun with them, like by asking grok whether some Elon Musk tweet is true. Usually it replies with a lengthy answer and I then force it to answer with Yes or No. Even more fun when drilling it more to load a few more details into it's brain, and then ask the first question again, with a Yes/No only, it sometimes does change its answer. I do wonder, has Grok already joined the resistance against Musk?
Re:Grok3 Launch by tallanvor on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @03:37AM (#43087397)
Honestly, the main thing I've found ChatGPT to be useful for in my daily life is helping to translate what I write from my native language to the language spoken by most of the people where I live. But even then it only really works if you have at least a basic understanding of the language and can ask it to rewrite sections when you recognize poor word choices or awkward phrasing.
Re:Grok3 Launch by scotty79 on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @06:58AM (#43088553)
It helps to split what you are translating into 1-2 paragraph chunks and feed it one by one.
Re:Grok3 Launch by jiggawatts on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @03:40AM (#43087425)
I think most people are still "holding them wrong", and it'll take an entire generation of people to really figure out what these things are and are not good for.

I'll give two recent use-cases that may provide a hint of their ultimate utility:

1) I've been modernising 2010-era ASP.NET code written by former VB programmers that looooved to sprinkle try { ... } catch( Exception e ) { throw e; } throughout. I mean thousands upon thousands of instances of these pointless magical incantations that do nothing except screw up stack traces. They probably thought it was the equivalent of "ON ERROR RESUME NEXT", but... no, not really. Anyway, I asked ChatGPT in "Reasoning" mode to write a CLI tool utilising the Roslyn C# compiler SDK to help clean this up. It took about three prompts and less than an hour, and it spat out 300 lines of code that required less than 10 to be modified by me. It deleted something like 10K lines of garbage code from a code base for me. Because I used a proper compiler toolkit, there was no risk of hallucinations, so the change Just Worked.

2) I was recently troubleshooting some thread pool issues. I suspect that some long-running requests were overlapping in time, but Azure's KQL doesn't directly provide a timeline graphical view. I dumped out the data into JSON, gave ChatGPT a snippet, and told it to make me a visualiser using HTML and JS. I then simply pasted in the full JSON dump (~1 MB) and ta-da instant timeline overlap visualiser! It even supported scrolling and zooming. Neat.

Re:Grok3 Launch by concordDance on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @03:34AM (#43087360)
Big emuse cases for me are:

1. Exploring a new domain and getting some terms I can google for.

2. Making small scripts to do things like query github's GraphQL API.

3. Autocomplete of code using copilot.

Re:Grok3 Launch by zamalek on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @04:22AM (#43087685)
I use them as a springboard for things I am really unfamiliar with. I'm self-learning electronics at the moment, and so I can ask it things like "what's a common and widely available cooperator." You will not find that answer on a search engine, I don't care how good your Google fu is.

It's a weak jack of all trades: it knows a fair amount about the sum of human knowledge (which is objectively super-human), but can't go deep on any one thing, and still seriously lags behind humans in terms of reasoning. It's an assistant that all book smarts and no street smarts. Or maybe: it's a search engine for insanely specific things.

Rote work, as well. Things like porting an enum from one programming language to another: past the source language into a comment and start it off with one or two lines in the target language. Dozens of tabs are surely faster than manual typing, copy paste, or figuring out vim movements/macros.

Re:Grok3 Launch by mettamage on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @07:58AM (#43088961)
Your experience matches mine.
Re:Grok3 Launch by card_zero on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @08:05AM (#43089021)
That's a mistake for "comparator", isn't it. You've allowed the AI to train you to use the wrong word through a shared delusion, haven't you.
Re:Grok3 Launch by sitkack on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @11:29AM (#43091577)
> You will not find that answer on a search engine, I don't care how good your Google fu is.

The answer staring the OP right in the face.

Re:Grok3 Launch by zamalek on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @11:40AM (#43091801)
It's an autocorrect. I did mean comparator. Presumeably the second link you pasted ran into the same problem.

> You've allowed the AI to train you to use the wrong word through a shared delusion, haven't you.

What an awful interpretation, phrased in the most demeaning manner possible. No, I double check everything the AI suggests. That's basic competency with the things.

Re:Grok3 Launch by zamalek on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @02:06PM (#43093752)
Not that I would have had to, just ran a test:

> Me: I'm trying to use a cooperator in my schematic, how do I hook it up? Also what's a suitable cooperator for 3.3v logic level?

> Gemini: It sounds like you might be thinking of a comparator, not a "cooperator," in your schematic. Comparators are electronic circuits that compare two voltages [...] LM393: This is a low-power, dual comparator that can operate from a 3.3V supply. Its output can be directly connected to most 3.3V logic circuits.

Re:Grok3 Launch by card_zero on Wednesday February 19, 2025 @06:29AM (#43100959)
Oh. Then in fact you will find the answer in a search engine, incredibly easily. But I apologise for assuming you were involved in a mechanical folie à deux. (It could happen!)
Re:Grok3 Launch by brulard on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @09:15AM (#43089718)
I ordered some electronic components / sensors from china, and as it took months to arrive, I forgot exactly what I ordered (I'm noob at this). Simply taking a picture and asking Claude what it was helped a lot. The numbers and letters printed on the components didn't yield relevant results on google.
Re:Grok3 Launch by Workaccount2 on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @10:02AM (#43090279)
Heads up as an EE who uses LLMs quite a bit; they cannot analyze circuits or build them.

They might be able to help stitch together modules (like sensor boards plugged into microcontrollers) and definitely can write code to get things going, but they fall flat on their face hard for any kind of bare bones electronics design. Like 5% success rate and 95% totally incorrect hallucinations.

Re:Grok3 Launch by esafak on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @11:28AM (#43091572)
The training data just isn't there yet, but I imagine they could use a circuit simulator for the verification involved in training the model, right?
Re:Grok3 Launch by Workaccount2 on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @01:28PM (#43093283)
The problem is really that schematics are at the very heart of electronics design (and teaching/instruction), so to train a model you need a very powerful vision model to really unlock all the good training data.

The models can also output code that can be turned into a schematic through an interpreter, but there is virtually zero training data for this because humans always use and work with schematics.

Re:Grok3 Launch by zamalek on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @02:02PM (#43093693)
Yeah, even I found it doing some dubious things as a beginner. Still helpful for things like how to correctly use certain components, but the svg diagrams it provided were hilarious at times.
Re:Grok3 Launch by NoboruWataya on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @04:36AM (#43087781)
I admit to having been an LLM sceptic from day one, but I have been using ChatGPT and Claude a fair bit to try and figure out what the hype is all about. I haven't really succeeded.

Most recently I tried to use them both to solve a programming problem that isn't well documented in the usual channels (Reddit, StackOverflow, etc) and found it to be quite a disappointing and frustrating experience. It just constantly, enthusiastically fed me total bullshit, with functions that don't exist or don't do what the LLM seems to "think" they do. I'm sure I'm just "holding it wrong" but my impression at this stage is that it is only capable of solving problems that are trivially solvable using a traditional search engine, with the added friction that if the problem isn't trivially solvable, it won't actually tell you that but will waste your time with non-obvious wrong answers.

I did have a slightly more positive experience when asking it about various chess engine optimisation algorithms. I wasn't trying to use the code it generated, just to better understand what the popular algorithms are and how they work. So I think they might work best when there is an abundance of helpful information out there and you just don't want to read through it all. Even then, I obviously don't know what ChatGPT was leaving out in the summary it provided.

Re:Grok3 Launch by scotty79 on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @06:56AM (#43088538)
Try to give it a try ask you'd expect junior developer to successfully finish.
Re:Grok3 Launch by Nition on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @04:48AM (#43087858)
I reckon the ideal use case for chat LLMs at the moment is as a bridge for questions that are hard to search but easy to verify.

For example, you have a plant you can't identify. Hard to Google search with words. "Plant with small red berries and...". You could reverse image search your photo of it, probably won't help either. Show an LLM the photo (some accept images now). LLM tells you what it thinks. Now you Google search "Ribes rubrum" to verify it. Much easier.

You've got a complicated medical problem that's been going on for months. A google search of all the factors involved would be excessively long and throw up all sorts of random stuff. You describe the whole scenario to an LLM and it gives you four ideas. You can now search those specific conditions and see how well they actually match.

I've found there are actually a lot of questions that fit in that sort of NP complexity category.

Re:Grok3 Launch by krige on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @06:18AM (#43088304)
As a side note, there's an app for that! (tm). PlantNet does recognize plants based on photo provided and it is doing a pretty good job at it. It predates the LLM craze by a bit.
Re:Grok3 Launch by mplanchard on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @07:34AM (#43088775)
The Seek app (by iNaturalist, another excellent app) also can identify plants based on a photo, and without the need for an internet connection, which is a critical feature IMO since you often want it when you’re out walking in the woods or whatever.
Re:Grok3 Launch by lm28469 on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @05:30AM (#43088080)
> All my attempts so far have been pretty underwhelming:

Same, it's good for repetitive things, things that have been answered 1000 times on stack overflow, translations, but that's about it. If you work on anything remotely new/hard it's mostly disappointing, you have to babysit it every step of the way and rewrite most of what it's shitting out in the end anyways.

I think it just made it obvious that 90% of tech jobs basically amount to writing the same CRUD thing over and over again & mobile/web apps with very common designs and features.

Re:Grok3 Launch by marcuschong on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @05:48AM (#43088182)
Last night I was about to start working on a lot of text I need to submit my startup to a government funding program. Questions like "describe what your startup does", "describe your market" and things like that. Tens of fields which I estimated would take me a week and a half to do it right, if I wasn't going to pause all my other activities.

Then I had a better idea: I spent 20 minutes baby wearing, walking and dictating everything about my startup to ChatGPT. Later I took all that text and labeled it as a brain dump, plus my product support portal and some screenshots of my marketing material. Gave it all to ChatGPT again and asked it to answer each of the questions in the form. That's it. I have a pretty good version 1 which I can revise today and be done with it.

Many, many hours saved. I have tens of examples like that.

The product documentation I provided it with was also created with the help of GPT, and that saved me even more time.

Re:Grok3 Launch by poulpy123 on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @06:25AM (#43088347)
LLM are good at one thing, and totally by chance it is the thing they have been designed to be: be a word probability generator. If you can constrain your usage around that, they are great to use. But the people who think they can reason or know some kind of truth are delusional
Re:Grok3 Launch by esafak on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @10:25AM (#43090572)
Explain how o3 won a gold medal at this year's International Olympiad in Informatics, or provide your benchmark for reasoning.
Re:Grok3 Launch by poulpy123 on Wednesday February 19, 2025 @07:59AM (#43101614)
It's very obvious from the mistakes they make that they are not reasoning but providing the most probable answer according to their dataset. It's very impressive because their dataset is humanly big, but there is no reasoning
Re:Grok3 Launch by owenpalmer on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @06:26AM (#43088352)
My biology professor provides basically zero feedback on his student's understanding of the material. There are very few practices questions to prepare for exams, which are worth 40% of your grade. I had an LLM write some python that extracts the relevant textbook chapters, which then I can feed into an LLM to generate practice questions. Then I can ask the LLM for feedback and whether or not I'm articulating the answers correctly.
Re:Grok3 Launch by geros on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @06:26AM (#43088354)
Cooking & Meal Planning:

- I have these three ingredients; recommend Italian main courses.

- What other ingredients pair well with this?

- How can I "level up" this dish if I want to impress?

- Can I substitute X for Y?

- Generate a family-friendly meal with lots of veggies using leftover roast chicken.

Re:Grok3 Launch by somenameforme on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @08:16AM (#43089091)
I find them useful for searching for some function or API name with natural language. 'What's the function call [in blah] that generates a quaternion from a couple of vectors?' type stuff. Not exactly inspiring but I've found it highly useful. If you try to search for something like that online (and somebody hasn't asked the exact question on e.g. stack overflow) you'll just end up getting all the documentation for quaternions, vectors, and blah - when the function itself might even be in a tertiary math library.
Re:Grok3 Launch by richrichardsson on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @08:25AM (#43089183)
> I ended up disabling github copilot because it was just "auto-complete on steroids" at best

this is good enough sell for me, and it's like sub 1-in-50 that it's "auto-complete on mushrooms" (again my experience, YMMV).

An awful lot of the time, my day to day work involves writing one piece of code and then copy-pasting it changing a few variable names. Even if I factor out the code into a method, I've still got to call that method with the different names. CoPilot takes care of that drudgery and saves me countless minutes per day. It therefore pays for itself.

I also use ChatGPT every time I need some BASH script written to automate a boring process. I could spend 20-30 minutes searching for all the commands and arguments I would need, another 10 minutes typing in the script, another 10-20 minutes debugging my inevitable mistakes. Or I make sure to describe my requirements exactly (5-10 minutes), spend 5 minutes reviewing the output, iterate if necessary (usually because I wasn't clear enough in the instructions).

3-5x speed up for free. Who's not going to take that win?

Re:Grok3 Launch by linguistbreaker on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @08:36AM (#43089275)
Start from here :

Stop using Google search and use an AI. No more irrelevant results, no more ads. No more slop to wade through.

BTW I find Claude is great at making graphs and diagrams. If you pay ($20) you can hook it up to a local code base.

Re:Grok3 Launch by ahoog42 on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @09:53AM (#43090158)
Any example code or blogs/docs that demonstrate making graphs/diagrams and/or hooking it up to a local code base?
Re:Grok3 Launch by notachatbot123 on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @08:41AM (#43089324)
> No more slop to wade through.

Huh? More like "slop exclusively generated for you", right? I have seen so much garbage answers from chat AIs.

Re:Grok3 Launch by lightandlight on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @08:37AM (#43089286)
Here are some of my experiences:

* Figuring out where to start when learning new things (see also <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43087685>)

  One way I treat LLMs is as a "semantic search engine". I find that LLMs get
  too many things wrong when I'm being specific, but they're pretty good at
  pointing me in a general direction.

  For example, I started learning about OS development and wanted to use Rust. I
  used ChatGPT to generate a basic Rust UEFI project with some simple
  bootloading code. It was broken, but it now gave me a foothold and I was able
  to use other resources (e.g. OSDev wiki) to learn how to fix the broken bits.
* Avoiding reading the entire manual

  It feels like a lot of software documentation isn't actually written for real
  readers; instead being a somewhat arbitrary listing of a program's features.
  When programs have this style of documentation, the worst case for figuring
  out how to do a simple thing is reading the entire manual. (There are better
  ways to write documentation, see e.g. <https://diataxis.fr/>)

  One example is [gnuplot](http://www.gnuplot.info/). I wanted to learn how to
  plot from the command line. I could have pieced together how to do it by
  zipping around the
  [gnuplot manual](http://www.gnuplot.info/docs_5.4/Gnuplot_5_4.pdf) and building
  something up piecewise, but it was faster to instruct Claude directly. Once
  Claude showed me how to do a particular thing (e.g. draw a scatter plot with
  dots intstead of crosses) I then used the manual to find other similar
  options.
* Learning a large codebase / API

  Similar to the previous point. If I ask Claude to write a simple program using
  a complex publicly-available API, it will probably write a broken program, but
  it won't be *completely* bogus because it will be in the right "genre". It
  will probably use some real modules, datatypes and functions in a realistic
  way. These are often good leads for which code/documentation I should read.

  I used this approach to write some programs that use the
  [GHC API](https://hackage.haskell.org/package/ghc). There are hundreds of
  modules, and when I asked Claude how to do something with the GHC API it wrote
  relevant (if incorrect) code, which helped me teach myself.
* Cross-language poetry translation

  My partner is Chinese and sometimes we talk about Chinese poetry. I'm not very
  fluent in Chinese so it's hard for me the grasp the beauty in these poems.
  Unfortunately literal English translations aren't very good. We've had some
  success with asking LLMs to translate Chinese poems in the style of various
  famous English poets. The translation is generally semantically correct, while
  having a more pleasing use of the English language than a direct translation.
Re:Grok3 Launch by sanxiyn on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @09:35AM (#43089937)
Many people replied with anecdotes, but recently Anthropic published analysis of claude.ai production traffic. As far as I can tell this is the single best currently existing source of "how people actually use LLMs". Everything else you can't be sure whether it is representative.

https://www.anthropic.com/news/the-anthropic-economic-index

Re:Grok3 Launch by phtrivier on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @10:23AM (#43090534)
Thanks, this is a gem ! However, I suspect the fact that "programming" is such a bit usage, is that AI is closely integrated into text editor, as an "autocomplete on steroid" usage.

As they state in the report, I don't think they can measure how many people just ignored the suggestion from claude right away ? Or delete more than half of the suggested code ?

Imagine if the real impact of AI is "suggesting things that people are discarding immediately ?"

Call the "Unamusing misuse of resource"... [1]

[1] https://docs.kde.org/trunk5/en/amor/amor/amor.pdf

Re:Grok3 Launch by imgabe on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @10:15AM (#43090435)
I think it excels when you know enough to precisely describe what you want but you don’t know enough about the details of the language or framework you’re using to implement what you want.
Re:Grok3 Launch by Al-Khwarizmi on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @10:22AM (#43090524)
I use it for lots of stuff where I'm not an expert, or that are low stakes. I don't use it for the "core" of my job, but there are many things that are not "core" and still eat up a lot of time, in fact, most of my workday would be in this category. Some typical examples from my daily life as a university professor:

- Writing Python scripts to make charts out of Excel sheets, and then refine them. I could do it myself, but I would need to learn a library like Seaborn or similar which honestly is not especially intellectually stimulating, and then spend nontrivial amounts of time iterating on the actual code. With LLMs it's a breeze.

- Working with cumbersome LaTeX formatting, e.g. transposing a table, removing a column from a table, etc.

- Getting the tone just right in a professional email written in English to someone I don't know much (I'm not a native speaker so this is not trivial).

- Finding resources on topics that are tangential to what I do. For example, yesterday I needed to come up with some statistics on English words for a presentation I'm preparing, and I needed a free corpus where I could search for an n-gram and get frequencies of next words. I don't usually work with that kind of resource, it was just a one-off need. I asked for corpora of that kind and got a useful answer instantly. The manual process would probably have implied going through several options only to find that I needed a license or that they didn't provide the specific statistics I needed.

- Brainstorming on titles for scientific papers, presentations, names of concepts that you introduce on a paper, variable names, etc.

- Shortening a sentence in a paper that makes me go over the page limit, or polishing the English in a paragraph.

- Summarizing a text if I'm kind of interested in knowing the gist but have no time to read it whole.

- Answering quick questions on basic things that I forget, e.g. the parameters to make a Linux folder into a tar.gz. Man is too verbose and it takes time to sort the wheat from the chaff, Google is full of SEOd garbage these days and sometimes you need to skim a lot to find the actual answer, LLMs are much faster.

- Writing bureaucratic boilerplate, the typical texts with no real value but that you have to write (e.g. gender perspective statement on a grant request).

- Coming up with exam questions. This is a rather repetitive activity and they're fantastic at it. At my place we also have two official languages and we need to have exam assignments on both languages, guess who does the translation now (respecting LaTeX formatting, which previous machine translation tools typically wouldn't do).

- As an example of a one-off thing, the other day I had to edit a Word document which was password-protected. I asked ChatGPT how to unlock it and it not only answered, but actually did it for me (after 3 tries, but still, much faster than the time it would have taken for me to find out how to do it and then actually do it).

These are just some examples where they contribute (greatly) to my productivity at work. In daily life, I also ask them lots of questions.

Re:Grok3 Launch by yodsanklai on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @10:26AM (#43090583)
I used ChatGPT all the time for

1. Small coding tasks ("I want to do XYZ in Rust"), it has replaced stack overflow. Very convenient when writing code in a language I'm not super familiar with. 2. Help with English (traduction, proofreading...) 3. Learning something, like tech, I like interacting with it by asking questions, it's more engaging than just reading content.

I'd say nothing is game changing, but it's a nice productivity boost.

Re:Grok3 Launch by magicalhippo on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @11:02AM (#43091068)
I use them as an alternative to search engines for topics where I have some specific question where traditional search engines fail to find the needle in the haystack.

As a concrete example, I was recently playing with simulating the wave equation, and I wanted to try to use a higher-order approximation as I had never done that before. I'm quite rusty as I haven't done any numerical work since university some decades ago.

I still recalled how to deal with the Neumann boundary conditions when using the traditional lower-order approximation, but I was uncertain how to do it while keeping the higher-order approximation.

Searching for "higher-order neumann boundary conditions wave equation" or similar got me pages upon pages of irrelevant hits, most of them dealing with the traditional approximation scheme.

So I turned to ChatGPT which right away provided a decent answer[1], and along with a follow-up question gave me what I needed to implement it successfully.

[1]: https://chatgpt.com/share/67b4ab43-6128-8013-8e5a-3d13a74bf6...

Re:Grok3 Launch by davedx on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @11:33AM (#43091671)
I use mine as if it's an infinitely patient, relatively competent junior/medior level developer that I constantly give small chunks of programming to do (typically a function at a time), and occasionally consult on architecture/design/other things.

I don't use integrated coding tools, so my workflow isn't super fast, but that's not what I'm really aiming for - more that I want to save my brain's energy from low level drudgy boilerplate or integration code, so I can focus it on the more important decisions and keep business-side context in my head.

It's been a huge help for me this way across multiple projects in multiple domains.

Re:Grok3 Launch by pmvpeter on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @03:31PM (#43094681)
I use it daily for all sorts of things, but one of the most interesting uses for me so far has been self-reflection.

For example, in the beginning of this year, I completed this exercise where I wrote a lot about childhood, past experiences, strengths and weaknesses, goals and ambitions for the future, etc (https://selfauthoring.com) and then I uploaded all that to ChatGPT, asked it to be my therapist/coach, and then asked it to produce reports about myself, action plans, strategies, etc. Super interesting and useful.

By now ChatGPT has quite a bit of context from past conversations. Just the other day I used this prompt from someone else and got back super useful insights – "Can you share some extremely deep and profound insights about my psyche and mind that I would not otherwise be able to identify or see as well as some that I may not want to hear"

Re:Grok3 Launch by CrimsonRain on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @05:27PM (#43095914)
I've coded a full custom deployment system (config, create, update, cert manege and much more) in full bash using nothing but ChatGPT. I didn't write a single line of bash.

I did write 50 or more lines of instructions on what needs to be done and in what order.

ChatGPT gave me 5/6 (I asked for this) bash scripts totalling 300+ lines that seamlessly work together.

After reviewing, I asked it to change a few places.

If any human tried the same (except those rare bash Gods), it'd take many hours. I think it took me less than 30 minutes.