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Re:Grok3 Launch by zamalek on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @04:22AM (#43087685)
I use them as a springboard for things I am really unfamiliar with. I'm self-learning electronics at the moment, and so I can ask it things like "what's a common and widely available cooperator." You will not find that answer on a search engine, I don't care how good your Google fu is.

It's a weak jack of all trades: it knows a fair amount about the sum of human knowledge (which is objectively super-human), but can't go deep on any one thing, and still seriously lags behind humans in terms of reasoning. It's an assistant that all book smarts and no street smarts. Or maybe: it's a search engine for insanely specific things.

Rote work, as well. Things like porting an enum from one programming language to another: past the source language into a comment and start it off with one or two lines in the target language. Dozens of tabs are surely faster than manual typing, copy paste, or figuring out vim movements/macros.

Re:Grok3 Launch by mettamage on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @07:58AM (#43088961)
Your experience matches mine.
Re:Grok3 Launch by card_zero on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @08:05AM (#43089021)
That's a mistake for "comparator", isn't it. You've allowed the AI to train you to use the wrong word through a shared delusion, haven't you.
Re:Grok3 Launch by sitkack on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @11:29AM (#43091577)
> You will not find that answer on a search engine, I don't care how good your Google fu is.

The answer staring the OP right in the face.

Re:Grok3 Launch by zamalek on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @11:40AM (#43091801)
It's an autocorrect. I did mean comparator. Presumeably the second link you pasted ran into the same problem.

> You've allowed the AI to train you to use the wrong word through a shared delusion, haven't you.

What an awful interpretation, phrased in the most demeaning manner possible. No, I double check everything the AI suggests. That's basic competency with the things.

Re:Grok3 Launch by zamalek on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @02:06PM (#43093752)
Not that I would have had to, just ran a test:

> Me: I'm trying to use a cooperator in my schematic, how do I hook it up? Also what's a suitable cooperator for 3.3v logic level?

> Gemini: It sounds like you might be thinking of a comparator, not a "cooperator," in your schematic. Comparators are electronic circuits that compare two voltages [...] LM393: This is a low-power, dual comparator that can operate from a 3.3V supply. Its output can be directly connected to most 3.3V logic circuits.

Re:Grok3 Launch by card_zero on Wednesday February 19, 2025 @06:29AM (#43100959)
Oh. Then in fact you will find the answer in a search engine, incredibly easily. But I apologise for assuming you were involved in a mechanical folie à deux. (It could happen!)
Re:Grok3 Launch by brulard on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @09:15AM (#43089718)
I ordered some electronic components / sensors from china, and as it took months to arrive, I forgot exactly what I ordered (I'm noob at this). Simply taking a picture and asking Claude what it was helped a lot. The numbers and letters printed on the components didn't yield relevant results on google.
Re:Grok3 Launch by Workaccount2 on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @10:02AM (#43090279)
Heads up as an EE who uses LLMs quite a bit; they cannot analyze circuits or build them.

They might be able to help stitch together modules (like sensor boards plugged into microcontrollers) and definitely can write code to get things going, but they fall flat on their face hard for any kind of bare bones electronics design. Like 5% success rate and 95% totally incorrect hallucinations.

Re:Grok3 Launch by esafak on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @11:28AM (#43091572)
The training data just isn't there yet, but I imagine they could use a circuit simulator for the verification involved in training the model, right?
Re:Grok3 Launch by Workaccount2 on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @01:28PM (#43093283)
The problem is really that schematics are at the very heart of electronics design (and teaching/instruction), so to train a model you need a very powerful vision model to really unlock all the good training data.

The models can also output code that can be turned into a schematic through an interpreter, but there is virtually zero training data for this because humans always use and work with schematics.

Re:Grok3 Launch by zamalek on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @02:02PM (#43093693)
Yeah, even I found it doing some dubious things as a beginner. Still helpful for things like how to correctly use certain components, but the svg diagrams it provided were hilarious at times.