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Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by TheAlchemist on Sunday December 08, 2024 @02:00AM (#42355487)
I'm not really aware of what's going on in Syria, and not really sure who's worse - Assad or the rebels, but it seems clear that Iran & Russia, which were main backers of Assad regime, appears extremely weak.

That's understandable for Iran which may want to avoid to overextend itself following the recent events, but it's hard to comprehend why Russia was unable to do anything at all.

In any case, it seems like there are several very important events happening recently that may reshape the world for the years to come.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by sydd on Sunday December 08, 2024 @02:04AM (#42355501)
Russia is putting everything it has to the Ukrainian front since 2.5 years and signs of exhaustion are clearly visible. They have lived up their Soviet tank reserves, are offering astronomical amounts of money for soldiers, are using north Korean ammunition, huge inflation etc
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by TheAlchemist on Sunday December 08, 2024 @02:08AM (#42355520)
That's what I'm thinking too. But if that's true, it means Ukraine has a real fighting chance to put them on their knees.

In any case, this seems like a major loss for Russia.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by postingawayonhn on Sunday December 08, 2024 @02:39AM (#42355618)
> it means Ukraine has a real fighting chance to put them on their knees.

Yes, and this point has been obvious to many for the last two years.

The problem has been the west drip feeding aid into the largest war since WW2. We actually have to define the objective as reclaiming all Ukranian territory (at least to the pre-2022 borders) and supply them appropriately. It might be expensive in the short-term but we can afford it, can seize the $300B of Russian assets, and will be able to reduce our defensive forces in the future use to the reduced Russian threat.

The problem now is that we may have run out of time with Ukraine experiencing significant manpower issues. They could mobilise a lot more people, but that will mean women and younger men (currently only 25+) from a generation that is already very thin.

We can ask Ukraine to do this, but we they will need an ironclad commitment that we will supply them with everything they ask for.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by fooker on Sunday December 08, 2024 @02:48AM (#42355659)
The purpose of the drip feeding is, unfortunately, to get Russia closer to a total collapse rather than a quick loss for them to retreat and build up their strength again for the next 20ish years to repeat it.

It’s not ideal for Ukraine right now.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by postingawayonhn on Sunday December 08, 2024 @02:55AM (#42355689)
I have heard this argument before, but I'm not particularly convinced.

Either way pretty much all their pre-war modern equipment has already been destroyed. Now they're fighting with really old stuff like T-55s pulled from storage, newly manufactured equipment, or whatever North Korea thinks it can spare.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by brabel on Sunday December 08, 2024 @03:25AM (#42355827)
Your impression of Russia's war capabilities is vastly mistaken.

"According to Joseph Fitsanakis, professor of intelligence and security studies at Coastal Carolina University, “Russian military production is currently outpacing that of the US and all of NATO member states combined. This may be hard to believe, but Russia is obligated to do it if it is going to outpace the support given to Ukraine."

Source: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/12/2/russia-races-ahead-...

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by fardo on Sunday December 08, 2024 @03:43AM (#42355890)
It shouldn’t be surprising that a country with a war economy has a higher first derivative at producing material, the question of import is

1. What is the difference between absolute quantities comparing against all relevant players,

2. How long would it take to bridge the gap at current production rates, and

3. Can that rate of production be sustained long enough for it to alter any fundamentals?

The point to rebut isn’t that Russia is making more, it’s whether they can continue to do so ongoingly before Ukrainian advances, regime falter or economic collapse, US/China step-in, or internal unrest will dramatically weaken or make the current Russian negotiating position untenable.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by wiseowise on Sunday December 08, 2024 @03:54AM (#42355928)
All of this is irrelevant if Ukraine crumbles first.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by TheAlchemist on Sunday December 08, 2024 @04:20AM (#42356037)
Same goes for Russia, and is all seems pretty relevant.

The article seem to indicate that it's much more sustainable for the West than for Russia.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by wiseowise on Sunday December 08, 2024 @04:51AM (#42356172)
It’s not sustainable for Ukraine.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by fooker on Sunday December 08, 2024 @05:51AM (#42356411)
NATO is ensuring it’s just about sustainable.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by lukan on Sunday December 08, 2024 @06:34AM (#42356554)
Yes, by pushing to reduce the drafting age, which the Ukrainian don't want to, because someone needs to raise families and Ukraine has a way lower population, while Putin brings in north koreans already. And can also escalate by general mobilisation at some point if cornered. So I don't see the outcome as clear.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by aguaviva on Sunday December 08, 2024 @12:29PM (#42358465)
It's not sustainable for -either- side.

Both sides are aching (very badly) for this thing to be over, or at least taken off the stove.

One can quibble further as to the details -- which are a matter of metrics, wildcards, politics. And (as recent events have shown) there are still many cards to be played.

But that's the fundamental equation we need to keep in mind.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by sabbaticaldev on Sunday December 08, 2024 @05:03AM (#42356219)
the article is not the reality tho
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by sincerecook on Sunday December 08, 2024 @08:48AM (#42357117)
Ongoingly is not a word.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by tim333 on Sunday December 08, 2024 @02:13PM (#42359515)
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by sincerecook on Sunday December 08, 2024 @02:48PM (#42359808)
Have you ever in your life heard someone say the word ongoingly?
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by gonzo on Sunday December 08, 2024 @06:41PM (#42361741)
it shows up in papers from a decade ago.

https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Ongoingly-redesigning-...

I agree that it's not in common use.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by tim333 on Monday December 09, 2024 @11:12AM (#42367519)
No but I'm in favour of word inventability and extensionabilityization.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by netsharc on Sunday December 08, 2024 @05:52PM (#42361445)
I see the meaning of that word is "To continue reading, please sign in or purchase a subscription."...
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by Etherlord87 on Sunday December 08, 2024 @01:06PM (#42358770)
Love the "first derivative" view! One can take a snapshot of a good day, but if russia really was producing more weapons than USA + NATO for a prolonged time, having also more people, Ukraine would fall a long time ago.

It didn't. As we say in Poland "paper will accept everything". And russia is known for shameless propaganda.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by xg15 on Sunday December 08, 2024 @02:00PM (#42359366)
So far, Russia is still making gains on the battlefield though, not Ukraine. At some point, that momentum would have to reverse.

Also, I don't think it's an "until" about China stepping in, they seem to be squarely on Russia's side, just presenting themselves slightly more moderate in public to appear suitable as a mediator. (Maybe sort of like the US does with Israel)

Finally, there is BRICS and some massive shifts of attitude in Africa that seem to work in Russia's favor.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by Etherlord87 on Sunday December 08, 2024 @03:37PM (#42360202)
> So far, Russia is still making gains on the battlefield though, not Ukraine.

This is again first derivative. Russia annexed Crimea, sent unofficial troops to Donbas, in 2022 moved rapidly and captured a lot of territory... But later was pushed back severely. And after that, it was gaining terrain in a truly snail pace.

BTW India and China are in an ongoing border conflict, the hostilities don't end there, with India banning many Chinese apps for example. They're nowhere near as united as EU or NATO, it's more like the Visegrád Group.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by programjames on Sunday December 08, 2024 @02:29PM (#42359670)
Do Americans have the technical expertise for a higher curvature? The American primary/secondary schooling system sucks, and most of the top STEM students at university are not interested in working for the military.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by postingawayonhn on Sunday December 08, 2024 @04:55AM (#42356185)
I partly agree, in that by drip feeding Ukraine supplies we have given Russia time to build up their production rates. And my earlier comment was disputing the idea that drip feeing the supplies was some kind of intentional strategy.

With regards to the broader claim that Russian production is outpacing that of the west. Yes, with artillery shells that's probably true, though we are continuing to ramp production. There aren't really any other areas though where a combination of western production + stock drawdowns couldn't supply Ukraine with greater quantities of material.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by fooker on Sunday December 08, 2024 @05:57AM (#42356431)
They have destroyed the rest of their industrial capacity and economy in the process, an outcome very much desired by US and friends.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by cutemonster on Sunday December 08, 2024 @08:51AM (#42357143)
Russia isn't that interesting any longer, economy wise.

China is the competitor to the US nowadays. All Russia has is nukes and troll farms, and corruption.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by mensetmanusman on Sunday December 08, 2024 @09:29AM (#42357328)
Russia has all the minerals to support any size of Chinese war machine ramping. It’s not their economy that matters.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by cutemonster on Sunday December 08, 2024 @12:03PM (#42358259)
That doesn't make sense. The minerals don't disappear just because Putin fails invading Ukraine. The minerals will be waiting in the ground no matter what.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by aguaviva on Sunday December 08, 2024 @12:34PM (#42358507)
It seems that something like "they've trashed their economy" would have been a better choice of words.

But -- "destroyed"? What's that supposed to mean? What purpose is served by the use of such hyperbolic language?

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by tim333 on Sunday December 08, 2024 @02:59PM (#42359901)
I don't think US and friends would have any problem with them having a successful economy if they didn't use it to attack and threaten other countries.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by KptMarchewa on Sunday December 08, 2024 @12:14PM (#42358347)
Their "production" includes restoring stuff from the soviet equipment bases. When they make stuff from scratch, they are as much drip-feeding as west is, or even less - for example they make 6-8 Su-34s a year, while Lockmart is making 156 F-35s a year.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by fooker on Sunday December 08, 2024 @05:55AM (#42356422)
Yes. Given their fall in Syria one might assume they are getting close to a breaking point. But it’s difficult to know for sure as they lie at every step of the process, even to themselves.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by hollerith on Sunday December 08, 2024 @05:59AM (#42356442)
Assad's fall doesn't signify much because we should expect Moscow to prioritize its own backyard.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by philistine on Sunday December 08, 2024 @09:40AM (#42357385)
Syria is Russia's backyard! It is not culturally close like Ukraine, but Syria has been an ally of the Soviet Union and Russia for decades through the Assad family.

Nevertheless, Russia clearly chose to stop their support; the Assad regime was cooked.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by mahirsaid on Sunday December 08, 2024 @12:30PM (#42358481)
Things are not based on history anymore. It atleast as much as we might think. Russia just took a trip to Afghanistan to try build relations and encoporate a way to utilize Afghanistan. Historically this would make no sense since they have a bad history between each other out of all the countries in the region Afghanistan was the own Russia couldn't possess or influence in the past. That being said Russian lost many battles against Afghanistan against the very same government today "taliban".
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by aguaviva on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @11:52AM (#42389767)
Russian lost many battles against Afghanistan against the very same government today "taliban".

Except they're not "the same" at all.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by hollerith on Sunday December 08, 2024 @02:08PM (#42359458)
>Syria has been an ally of the Soviet Union and Russia for decades through the Assad family

I realize that and I realize that this outcome is bad for Moscow, but the Nazis (and others, e.g., the Turks) went through Ukraine to invade Russia whereas no one has ever gone through Syria to get at Russia, so I would expect Moscow to care less about whether the government of Syria is aligned with Moscow than whether the government of Ukraine is aligned with Moscow.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by refulgentis on Sunday December 08, 2024 @03:02AM (#42355717)
> The purpose of the drip feeding is, unfortunately,

Absolutely not, it's not intentional.

- Suddenly, the world defense base needed to get on up to a level to match the world's 5th largest army, with all its stockpiles -- regardless of if its just lil ol Ukraine, Russia is putting its full effort in.

- Politics in US delayed it several months, I can't recall the exact number, but it was at least 6.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by fooker on Sunday December 08, 2024 @05:53AM (#42356418)
The war has been going on for a bit more than a thousand days now.

Your points would have been valid maybe one year into the war. Unless you’re suggesting the US military industrial complex takes three years to respond.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by walterlw on Sunday December 08, 2024 @08:16AM (#42356938)
Quick reminder that Russia first invaded Ukraine in 2014, before that they invaded Georgia and before that they took Chechnia. And yet even now the popular belief in the West is that the war in Ukraine will be the end of it and that some sort of a peace deal can hold.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by lolinder on Sunday December 08, 2024 @08:22AM (#42356964)
Thank you. It has been incredibly frustrating to watch the modern appeasement movement repeat the mistakes of the 1930s.

You cannot appease an expansionist power that's intent on restoring the glory of an empire from days gone by (real or imagined).

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by mensetmanusman on Sunday December 08, 2024 @09:30AM (#42357334)
Few believe Russia would risk expansion into nato territory.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by tacon on Sunday December 08, 2024 @12:17PM (#42358381)
One report from early in the first Trump administration (possibly apocryphal) was when Trump was being briefed about NATO commitments to defend all member countries. Trump supposedly was surprised that the US was committed to going to war with Russia if they invaded Latvia. The Baltic countries are very exposed and could be reached by land only through a narrow gap with Poland.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by sabbaticaldev on Monday December 09, 2024 @04:36AM (#42364489)
world defense base? Like the baseball World series?
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by Gud on Sunday December 08, 2024 @10:24AM (#42357643)
This is giving too much credit to the competence of the same political leadership that has spent the last 30 years dismantling the European war machine(that was pretty solid up until the mid 90s) while Russia and China has been arming themselves to the teeth.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by jakjak123 on Sunday December 08, 2024 @12:07PM (#42358293)
I concur, the slow drip feeding is adequately explained by coming from a place of war ineptitude and domestic priorities rather than a conscious strategy.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by Etherlord87 on Sunday December 08, 2024 @01:01PM (#42358729)
I agree with this. russia is being lured into continued commitment by giving it a chance. I'm unusually impressed with how American intelligence played russia in this conflict. Of course there's another reason: russia is a nuclear power, and even though everyone seems used to its threats and makes nothing of it, a nuclear war is an absolutely terrible threat, possibly wiping entire humanity if it fails to endure nuclear winter. As a result, America/NATO is doing a dance, where it waits for russia to do something morally wrong, then respond to it with escalation, ready to criticize and sanction on moral grounds all russia's allies if they decide to respond with (political) support to russia. We're quite successful in my opinion, the escalation of the west is validated throughout the world, and the response to it on the russia's side wouldn't be, and would result in stronger sanctions.

Had all the escalations of the recent 2 years be condensed to the first month of war, BRICS (and not only, e.g. the pope was quite supportive of russia, not sure if he still is) could unite and coordinate a response, and the west could possibly lose the war in the political sense, kind of like Israel lost it. I'm not putting an equal sign between Israel and Ukraine, but who would predict a few years ago common harsh criticisms against Israel in mainstream TV?

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by tim333 on Sunday December 08, 2024 @02:07PM (#42359442)
Israel and Ukraine are rather different in that it is hard to have much sympathy for Russia as they are the ones who chose to invade and they could go home any time they get fed up. The palestinians don't have that option.

Personally I think the west should have been firmer early on that the Russian invasion was unacceptable and they should go or be forced out. Instead they were kind of wishy washy.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by vitro on Sunday December 08, 2024 @08:09AM (#42356914)
> with Ukraine experiencing significant manpower issues

They seem to have more of a weapon issues, with Zelenskyy saying that from 10 brigades formed in the last year only to a quarter of them they were able to give weapons provided by allies.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by philwelch on Sunday December 08, 2024 @08:34AM (#42357035)
Is Ukraine actually the largest war since WW2? Is it bigger than the Second Congo War?
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by stogot on Sunday December 08, 2024 @08:44AM (#42357094)
In terms of manpower, weapon types, domains of warfare, quantity of equipment, global impact, and national security implications-Ukraine is the largest.

In total violent deaths, 2nd Congo is worse. Let’s hope the war ends before that happens again

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by theGnuMe on Sunday December 08, 2024 @09:36AM (#42357355)
Ukraine is out of time because Trump was re-elected. Only Europe can save them now and that will put Europe at odds with Putin/Trump.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by netsharc on Sunday December 08, 2024 @06:00PM (#42361491)
But Trump winning means Zelenskyy can scale down his ambitions (about reclaiming all of Ukranian territory) and not lose face, "well, the #####s reelected that Putin-fan in USA, so this is the best we can get now.", and conveniently for Putin it's also a way to get out of the expected walk into the Kyiv-Park that turned out into 3 years of quagmire: he can say "The goal all along was to secure Crimea and access to the Black Sea, get out the миссия выполнена banner!".
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by thunky on Sunday December 08, 2024 @11:12AM (#42357901)
> We can ask Ukraine to do this, but we they will need an ironclad commitment that we will supply them with everything they ask for

Sounds like a good way to escalate the war.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by programjames on Sunday December 08, 2024 @02:24PM (#42359624)
Something I've always been confused about is where are these Russian assets to seize? Are there just yachts sitting off the coast of Ukraine? Russian investments in businesses? Or, would it come after a peace deal where the Russian government pays reparations for the war?
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by dyauspitr on Sunday December 08, 2024 @03:17AM (#42355792)
Maybe but our Putin loving president might do everything he can to help Russia once he’s in power this January.
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Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by talldayo on Sunday December 08, 2024 @11:48AM (#42358125)
It's time to double down and hope Russia gives up Crimea like they just abandoned Syria. Even Donald Trump is not stupid enough to miss an opportunity to play his enemies against one another.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by scott_w on Sunday December 08, 2024 @12:47PM (#42358620)
So your answer is that we in the west “solve” the problem of Ukrainians dying defending their home by letting them be tortured, raped and murdered by Russians, unimpeded, in “peacetime” instead?
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by instig007 on Sunday December 08, 2024 @05:01PM (#42361026)
I would buy you munitions and send you personally on the battlefield, that would be a proper answer to support your cause that wouldn't violate anyone else's preference.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by scott_w on Monday December 09, 2024 @01:47AM (#42363595)
Last I checked, Ukraine is choosing to fight this war, not the Americans. You might want to stop taking RT as your news source.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by instig007 on Monday December 09, 2024 @03:43AM (#42364178)
I think I should be insisting on sending you on the battlefield to spare those who expressed their preference to cease fire: https://news-obozrevatel-com.translate.goog/ukr/society/bils...
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by instig007 on Monday December 09, 2024 @03:30AM (#42364108)
how did you check it?
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by scott_w on Monday December 09, 2024 @05:33AM (#42364805)
Here's a news report: https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/26/europe/ukraine-zelensky-e...

I'll translate the quote to your native language for you: Мне нужны боеприпасы, а не поездка

I apologise if it's not exact, I used Google Translate.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by instig007 on Tuesday December 10, 2024 @01:57PM (#42380108)
> I'll translate the quote to your native language for you

that's very presumptious of you

> Here's a news report

are you saying that CNN knows about the conditions and preferences of Ukrainians better than Ukrainians in Kiyv?

"You might want to stop taking [CNN] as your news source."

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by scott_w on Tuesday December 10, 2024 @02:51PM (#42380698)
> are you saying that CNN knows about the conditions and preferences of Ukrainians better than Ukrainians in Kiyv?

I'm saying CNN knows more about the conditions and preferences of the Ukrainian people than you do. I've yet to see a shred of evidence for any of your insinuations.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by instig007 on Tuesday December 10, 2024 @09:13PM (#42383985)
> I'm saying CNN knows more about the conditions and preferences of the Ukrainian people than you do

delusional indeed, and a cowardly one

> I've yet to see a shred of evidence for any of your insinuations.

I'm yet to see you learn proper English. When shall I expect you arriving in Kiyv to volunteer straight into the war trenches?

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by scott_w on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @01:06AM (#42385234)
When you prove to me that Ukraine wants a peace agreement that involves Russia annexing the entire country to be their personal torture chamber.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by instig007 on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @04:05AM (#42386069)
it's right there, in the post that you've conveniently ignored for two days: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42364178
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by scott_w on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @05:59AM (#42386652)
> When you prove to me that Ukraine wants a peace agreement that involves Russia annexing the entire country to be their personal torture chamber.

Try again. Your post only suggests a slight majority of Kyiv residents want a "ceasefire." That's not "capitulation."

I'll let you know that I'm British so I'm familiar with news papers/sites putting up polls that tell the reader what they want the reader to hear so, just like you disregard sources, I disregarded this straw poll.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by instig007 on Friday December 13, 2024 @02:04AM (#42406513)
guess what, your post suggests nothing but cnn and Zelensky opinions, the latter is legally expired as a president, by the way.

> I'm British so I'm familiar with news papers/sites putting up polls that tell the reader what they want

Exactly my point, you're a delusional member of the delusional society that somehow believes that the poll in Kiyv isn't indicative of the people's preference not to exchange their lives for land anymore.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by sabbaticaldev on Monday December 09, 2024 @04:40AM (#42364514)
what were the options given? Boris Johnson didn’t allow ukraine to negotiate with russia but at the time everybody thought it would be a walk in the park for NATO
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by scott_w on Monday December 09, 2024 @05:29AM (#42364774)
Boris Johnson is not the President of Ukraine. He has no power to force or prevent a negotiation with Russia.

Just in case you're confused, here's a link describing who the current President of Ukraine is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_Ukraine

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by sabbaticaldev on Monday December 09, 2024 @02:51PM (#42369824)
that’s why you guys lose elections and scream “russia stole it!”

completely out of touch of reality like a reality distortion field. screaming it louder won’t make you right.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by scott_w on Monday December 09, 2024 @03:42PM (#42370357)
What part of “Boris Johnson isn’t President of Ukraine” is “out of touch with reality” or “Russia stealing elections?”
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by instig007 on Tuesday December 10, 2024 @02:11PM (#42380243)
the part where you dare to suggest that Ukrainians prefer start sending their 18 year olds on the battlefield instead of agreeing to cease fire and negotiations is completely out of touch with reality. I'll translate this to your native American English for Halwits: don't be silly, stupid.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by scott_w on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @01:04AM (#42385224)
1. I’m not Boris Johnson.

2. I never said any of those things.

I don’t think I’m the one struggling with English.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by instig007 on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @04:07AM (#42386073)
you're the one struggling with the keyboard warrior syndrome, a pathetic coward with an attitude
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by dang on Thursday December 12, 2024 @04:39PM (#42403675)
Please don't do flamewars on HN, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. You both broke the site guidelines badly in this thread.

If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to them when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by dang on Thursday December 12, 2024 @04:39PM (#42403674)
Please don't do flamewars on HN, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. You both broke the site guidelines badly in this thread.

If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to them when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by aguaviva on Tuesday December 10, 2024 @02:26PM (#42380440)
Boris Johnson didn’t allow ukraine to negotiate

No, that's just a myth. Was a matter of speculation for a while, but when it got investigated, it didn't hold up.

See also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41812302

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by severino on Sunday December 08, 2024 @06:28PM (#42361659)
Are you sure about that? When Russia annexed Crimea firing a couple of shots in 2014, we couldn't see all that horror you talk about, so I don't think it would be what would happen. In fact, there's a lot of people in Eastern Ukraine that has been hoping for Russia to start this military operation.

OTOH, we have records of killings and rapes by American military personnel in Iraq when the US invaded the country back in 2003. And they did that unimpeded. Maybe you supported that invasion.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by dralley on Sunday December 08, 2024 @09:07PM (#42362476)
>In fact, there's a lot of people in Eastern Ukraine that has been hoping for Russia to start this military operation.

There were some, perhaps 1% to 2% of the population. There was not "a lot" and there never was.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by scott_w on Monday December 09, 2024 @01:45AM (#42363590)
Yes, I’m sure:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/60981238.amp

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/12/un-report-de...

Take your Russian propaganda back to Moscow, comrade.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by severino on Monday December 09, 2024 @04:22AM (#42364393)
No, you're not sure. You don't know what happened there, as it was not possible to conduct a serious investigation, and I'm not sure we will ever know. The fact that the west hasn't said a word about this again for a long time is suspicious.

Now about your last paragraph: I've never been to Moscow nor Russia, I'm a EU citizen so don't think I can take my comments anywhere. If it bothers you, maybe you can leave HN. You won't be missed.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by scott_w on Monday December 09, 2024 @05:36AM (#42364828)
> No, you're not sure. You don't know what happened there, as it was not possible to conduct a serious investigation, and I'm not sure we will ever know.

Yes, I am 100% sure because the reporting was widespread, accurately conducted, and the Russians were widely condemned.

Sexual violence continues in Ukraine:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/29/carved-on-bodi...

In fact, I'll save myself the effort and just give you a full list to read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_violence_in_the_Russian...

> I've never been to Moscow nor Russia

I think you should visit, I hear it's lovely this time of year.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by throw0101d on Sunday December 08, 2024 @07:29AM (#42356749)
> That's what I'm thinking too. But if that's true, it means Ukraine has a real fighting chance to put them on their knees.

Which may depend on continued US support from the newly elected administration.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by Dah00n on Sunday December 08, 2024 @01:34PM (#42359061)
I mostly depend on manpower. Which they are lacking.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by mahirsaid on Sunday December 08, 2024 @12:24PM (#42358437)
This is the result of allies helping Ukraine I don’t think they have any interest in Ukraine, but the alternative is Russia seizing Ukraine. This would have been possible 6 months after the war started. Remember that more than half of Ukrainians are not technically supporting zelensky. This conflict like many others is over complicated yet it's simplified in the west.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by mongol on Sunday December 08, 2024 @12:29PM (#42358476)
What do you mean with not technically supporting Zelensky? Do they not want to resist Russia like he does? Or do they prefer someone else to do it instead?
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by scott_w on Sunday December 08, 2024 @12:45PM (#42358602)
> Remember that more than half of Ukrainians are not technically supporting zelensky.

This is normal in any political system, even during times of war. The UK during WWII still had many Labour MPs, meaning a significant portion of the British electorate did NOT support Churchill by definition. However, most people were united in their opposition to the Nazis.

That didn’t stop them voting out Churchill the first chance they got once the war was over.

I don’t think anyone is seriously naive enough to think the entirety of Ukraine loves Zelenskyy without reservation, however its clear that the Ukrainian people have no desire to let the Russians expand their campaign of torture, rape and murder throughout the country.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by tim333 on Sunday December 08, 2024 @02:52PM (#42359844)
The Ukrainian "Losses of the Russian military" figures are quite impressive. Currently showing 750,000 personnel, 9500 tanks, 21000 artillery systems. Obviously the numbers are something of a guess but it's a lot. A recent update: https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/1h9c3dt/losses_of_...
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by EasyMark on Sunday December 08, 2024 @08:29PM (#42362296)
I really have hopes that they can reach a ceasefire and that Ukraine can come into NATO to prevent further Russian aggression. Ideally let those Ukrainians who want to enter the “new” Ukraine. I think Putin is of the mind that he has to win something or his role as Russian dictator has a very short life expectancy, and he is quite desperate. I don’t think he will give up any of the land that Russia has acquired though.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by paxys on Sunday December 08, 2024 @04:08AM (#42355990)
> but it's hard to comprehend why Russia was unable to do anything at all.

Is it really? Russia literally has to rely on North Korean soldiers to continue their own "special operation" a few miles away. Their power projection ability is now zero.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by nwatson on Sunday December 08, 2024 @08:01AM (#42356876)
They haven't yet forced conscription. There's plenty of manpower available to Russia through this very unpopular measure. If pressed they'll do it, the question will be whether Putin survives the young people of Moscow and St Petersburg joining the meat waves.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by KptMarchewa on Sunday December 08, 2024 @12:17PM (#42358379)
They critically lack the manpower in the economy, and have to replace all the imports that closed due to sanction. And inflation is already running rampant.

They maybe can do the good old Goebbels "total war" and stop producing consumer goods, but not sure if that's something they want to do.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by LoKSET on Sunday December 08, 2024 @12:59PM (#42358715)
They haven't because this might actually finally wake up at least part of the people and cause problems for Dear leader. Let's hope Trump doesn't fold immediately and give the situation more time to develop.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by Dah00n on Sunday December 08, 2024 @01:36PM (#42359081)
Time equals worse lack of manpower for Ukraine. Time is on Russia's side as it is.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by ralfd on Sunday December 08, 2024 @08:04AM (#42356892)
There is still no proof for North Korean soldiers at the front and pro-russian bloggers make fun of it in ironic memes.

I now think it was either only a few North Korean officers or it was just Ukrainian propaganda to justify more western support.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by stogot on Sunday December 08, 2024 @08:45AM (#42357103)
I recall seeing western nations corroborate the evidence. Trains out of North Korea into Russia follow one path and are easy to monitor.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by Dah00n on Sunday December 08, 2024 @01:38PM (#42359097)
I don't doubt it is true, but "western nations corroborate the evidence" also happened in "Saddam has nukes" and lots of other situations in history.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by monetus on Sunday December 08, 2024 @03:34PM (#42360174)
I was too young at the time, but the perspective here in Tennessee at least is that the wmd allegations were seen as an American and british boondoggle. Were France, Germany, Spain all aboard that train? I thought "the west" had a half hearted push back against the idiocy. Would love to be informed before my Google searches if anyone has their 2¢.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by stogot on Sunday December 08, 2024 @04:40PM (#42360800)
Yes, and iirc it was mostly a single source (spy) lying to the US & Brits
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by bigfatkitten on Sunday December 08, 2024 @10:56PM (#42362957)
The intelligence assessment agencies largely saw through the bullshit and said as much, but it was politically expedient for Bush, Blair and Howard to go with the lie.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by dralley on Sunday December 08, 2024 @09:10PM (#42362491)
Well, this time (the 2022 invasion) the US and British got it correct while the French and Germans got caught with their pants around their knees.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by otherme123 on Sunday December 08, 2024 @02:52AM (#42355677)
> but it's hard to comprehend why Russia was unable to do anything at all.

Russia is a country with a modest GDP. They are very close to Mexico or Brazil both in GDP and population. We wouldn't be surprised that Mexico couldn't hold multiple wars

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by refulgentis on Sunday December 08, 2024 @03:04AM (#42355728)
Russia's military is about 4-5x the size in men and 10x the budget, and 10x compounded over years, and years, and years. What's a GDP? :)
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by postingawayonhn on Sunday December 08, 2024 @04:57AM (#42356193)
GDP is a measure of economic output. If your economy doesn't produce much then it is very hard to sustain a high intensity war.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by sgt on Sunday December 08, 2024 @07:56AM (#42356854)
Russia can turn into a war economy - which means GDP is nearly irrelevant. Right now they're doing warfare while still keeping the lights on at little inconvenience for the public. They can change that around.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by postingawayonhn on Sunday December 08, 2024 @09:30AM (#42357332)
They can shift production from consumer goods to war goods, but total productive capacity won't grow dramatically. Productive capacity will likely decline due to the large number of able bodied men sent to their deaths or to be maimed.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by DoughnutHole on Sunday December 08, 2024 @11:32AM (#42358007)
You don’t just press a button that says “war economy” and then everything turns out fine. You drive massive inflation, weaken consumer markets, take on massive debts and eventually run out of young men.

Pretty much every nation bar the US was on the verge of economic collapse by the end of WWI (and Russia’s did). The financial burden of two world wars killed the French and British empires. Germany’s WWII war economy was totally unstainable and the USSR’s was bankrolled by the US lend-lease program.

It’s not a panacea - it’s just what you have to do to drive enough military production to sustain a near-peer conflict.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by otherme123 on Sunday December 08, 2024 @07:11AM (#42356688)
Specially a modern war, in a foreign country were you can't play resistance. Modern war logistics are difficult and expensive.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by codedokode on Sunday December 08, 2024 @11:48AM (#42358122)
But GDP is measured in dollars and not in amount of things produced. If everything is expensive in your country it will have larger GDP even producing less things.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by postingawayonhn on Monday December 09, 2024 @05:02AM (#42364623)
Purchasing Power Parity calculations try to capture this.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by codedokode on Monday December 09, 2024 @05:11AM (#42364675)
Yes, but it is generally made around prices for cheap food and this doesn't help to understand how many cars, planes or rockets a country can produce.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by yodelshady on Sunday December 08, 2024 @03:44PM (#42360264)
The most valuable company in Europe is Louis Vitton. Forgive me, I don't think Putin's quaking in his boots about when they'll weigh in.

GDP was a good war metric for an industrial economy, and fucking terrible for a services based one. There's never one metric that describes all. You know it, Goodhart knew it, anyone was worked with metrics ever knows it. This is rather important and frankly I don't get the glibness. Russia's not an unstoppable force but it's not a joke either.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by sgt on Sunday December 08, 2024 @07:54AM (#42356846)
GDP is almost irrelevant when it comes to Russia's true strength and persistence.

It's true however that winning a war is incredibly difficult, and the outcome could still be the same for Russia, if their GDP was increased by an order of magnitude.

Russia also has a unique ability to turn the entire economy into a sort of "war economy". That hasn't really been done yet.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by DoughnutHole on Sunday December 08, 2024 @11:19AM (#42357935)
Russia’s ability to implement a war economy isn’t unique - the last time they did it (WWII) so did the UK, Germany, and the US.

More recent examples include the both sides of the Iran-Iraq war and Armenia in its war with Azerbaijan.

GDP has implications for the productivity of an economy and the budget of the government.

41% of Russia’s government spending at the minute is on the war which means they have to either cut spending on other things weakening the state or drive massive debt and inflation.

There’s a reason you can only run a war economy for so long - eventually you win the war or bleed your economy dry. Russia’s had the advantage of huge legacy reserves of equipment from the USSR days and a larger population. We’ll see how long they can last tapping the well.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by trogdor on Sunday December 08, 2024 @12:13PM (#42358341)
> Russia also has a unique ability to turn the entire economy into a sort of "war economy". That hasn't really been done yet.

Would you explain what you mean by this and why you believe it to be true?

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by codedokode on Sunday December 08, 2024 @11:44AM (#42358100)
You should not compare GDP to GDP, because you cannot fight with paper. You should compare amount of equipment produced, human resources etc.

Also, GDP is easy to manipulate: simply increase the bread price and your bread GDP will magically rise without any changes.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by space_fountain on Sunday December 08, 2024 @02:03AM (#42355493)
Russia is fighting a war of attrition in Ukraine, I think they might have worried about over extending too or just logistically been unable to devote significant resources
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by Timber-6539 on Sunday December 08, 2024 @04:26AM (#42356068)
Nothing ever happens. In this case other than maybe an advancement of a greater Isreal in the middle east.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by flohofwoe on Sunday December 08, 2024 @04:35AM (#42356109)
> but it's hard to comprehend why Russia was unable to do anything at all

Did you miss that Russia has to import cannon fodder, artillery grenades and missiles from North Korea and attack drones from Iran? I don't think they have any resources to spare in Syria at the moment.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by GordonS on Sunday December 08, 2024 @07:53AM (#42356843)
There hasn't been a single scrap of evidence to support the claims of Russia using North Korean... there have however been several cases of the media getting caught lying about it, doctoring photos etc:

https://x.com/AXChristoforou/status/1864324321960972298?t=4H...

https://x.com/BowesChay/status/1864447294474457245?t=yK0OU-9...

The North Korean claims appear to be complete lies, designed to make Russia look bad.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by phsau on Sunday December 08, 2024 @08:13AM (#42356931)
https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/39...

The DoD says North Korean soldiers are already in Kursk and preparing? News of NK armament deliveries and use is old at this point and not debatable.

Is the DoD spreading fake news?

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by GordonS on Sunday December 08, 2024 @08:46AM (#42357107)
Yes? Hasn't the DoD also maintained the line that there are no US forces in Syria for years too? It's really not so surprising that they'd lie.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by KptMarchewa on Sunday December 08, 2024 @12:18PM (#42358389)
No, they haven't.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by jt2190 on Sunday December 08, 2024 @09:03AM (#42357200)
> Hasn't the DoD also maintained the line that there are no US forces in Syria for years too?

If that’s true, they might want to stop publishing press releases about their actions in Syria.

“CENCOM Destroys Threatening Weapons Systems in Syria” https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/39...

“US will remain in eastern Syria and seek to prevent IS resurgence, Pentagon says” https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-will-remain-eas...

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by Dah00n on Sunday December 08, 2024 @01:44PM (#42359184)
I believe NK soldiers are there, by I'd trust even Putin more than US sources. After all, they only state what is in their interest. Exactly like Putin.

Maybe NK will use Saddam's nukes against Ukraine...

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by flohofwoe on Sunday December 08, 2024 @08:57AM (#42357168)
Do you have some better sources to offer than two random Twitter accounts which quite clearly sling Russian propaganda?
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by GordonS on Sunday December 08, 2024 @09:04AM (#42357209)
Pointing out evidence of a UK rag fabricating photos to fit a Western propaganda narrative is... Russian propaganda?!
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by cactacea on Sunday December 08, 2024 @09:17AM (#42357281)
Your sources are not credible
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by GordonS on Sunday December 08, 2024 @01:11PM (#42358817)
Nonsense, the claims are trivial to verify for yourself - the Daily Mail did post false claims about NK soldiers in the Ukraine and then dissappear the article once it had done its work.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by qwery on Sunday December 08, 2024 @09:19AM (#42357295)
Yeah, the Daily Mail is tepid bin juice. It's extremely likely they fell for something they found online rather than them being the originators of the images -- they're still scum, but they aren't spending enough time or money on their "content" to be doing anything that sophisticated.

All of this to say, pointing out the Daily Mail's crap doesn't really indict "the media" as a whole. I don't think that one story is what American big general guy is referring to as "reports".

Russia definitely does look bad though, and that is no accident -- but I don't think it's the fake stories doing the heavy lifting.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by lern_too_spel on Sunday December 08, 2024 @12:46PM (#42358615)
The Daily Mail? You clearly have no experience with Western news. Nobody takes the Daily Mail seriously. They don't even have copy editors.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by GordonS on Sunday December 08, 2024 @01:09PM (#42358799)
I'm well aware that it's a vile hate rag, but unfortunately many people in the UK use it as a real source of "news".

Most of the MSM in the UK has made false claims about NK soldiers in the Ukraine, but the Daily Mail was the most overt and easily debunked that I saw.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by beretguy on Sunday December 08, 2024 @07:32AM (#42356760)
> it's hard to comprehend why Russia was unable to do anything at all

Easy. Because russia is all talk and no do. If you punch russia in the face it folds in half.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by roenxi on Sunday December 08, 2024 @08:40AM (#42357073)
They're spilling a lot of blood right now because they felt the Ukraine was intolerable. You can accuse them of a lot of things (war crimes and disastrous stupidity among them) but "all talk and no do" is bizarre. On the military front they are responsible for something close to the most doing in Europe since WWII and their pain tolerance in doing has been demonstrated to be remarkably high.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by ashoeafoot on Monday December 09, 2024 @01:27AM (#42363510)
The ukraine.. the ukraine..
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by beretguy on Monday December 09, 2024 @02:42AM (#42363828)
The moskovia... the moskovia
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by Dah00n on Sunday December 08, 2024 @01:42PM (#42359157)
Another armchair general that has never met a single Russian.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by beretguy on Monday December 09, 2024 @02:41AM (#42363824)
Speak for yourself
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by FrustratedMonky on Sunday December 08, 2024 @07:56AM (#42356856)
" not really sure who's worse"

What is the hot take on the rebels.?

Are these the ones the US was backing a few years ago against ISIS?

Is this another case of the replacement is worse? Or not?

Assad was so bad for using chemical weapons on citizens, the US couldn't conceive of worse? But is that true?

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by Ygg2 on Sunday December 08, 2024 @08:14AM (#42356934)
> What is the hot take on the rebels.?

> "with this spirit… we will not only reach Damascus, but, Allah permitting, Jerusalem will be awaiting our arrival”

https://www.firstpost.com/explainers/hayat-tahrir-al-sham-re...

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by Eumenes on Sunday December 08, 2024 @11:16AM (#42357929)
> Assad was so bad for using chemical weapons on citizens

Thats fake/contested

https://x.com/scotthortonshow/status/1863289718890193160

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by KptMarchewa on Sunday December 08, 2024 @12:18PM (#42358394)
Stop reading russian propaganda. There's zero truth in that word salad.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by Eumenes on Sunday December 08, 2024 @01:02PM (#42358744)
What trusted sources do you have on middle eastern conflicts? The Council on Foreign Relations, The Atlantic Council? Foreign Affairs magazine? These institutions are stocked with neocon stooges whose advice have only invaded half the middle east (always under false pretenses), killed countless innocence, displaced millions, brought "democracy", etc. Scott Horton and antiwar.com have been pumping out real journalism for 20+ years.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by ImPostingOnHN on Sunday December 08, 2024 @09:29PM (#42362579)
My friend, you posted a tweet-rant from a random conspiracy theorist. I think the better question, then, is: What reliable sources do you have? Because this is not one.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by Eumenes on Monday December 09, 2024 @03:26PM (#42370206)
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by roenxi on Sunday December 08, 2024 @08:28AM (#42357000)
> but it's hard to comprehend why Russia was unable to do anything at all.

The dust hasn't settled, but my assumption is that the Russians had a sort-of working plan that the Syrian army would do the heavy lifting and Russia would be funnelling in supplies and providing power for key points - following a proxy-war style defensive model. Given the speed and totality of the Syrian army's collapse they didn't really have anything to do that wouldn't be hideously draining on resources that they don't really have.

The collapse of the Syrians may be related to the Russian military being distracted by the Ukraine war in an indirect or direct way. My base case guess is the Turks/Turk-backed faction spotted an opportunity while the Russians were distracted and went for it, and the Syrian forces were complacent because they hadn't really prepared for the situation where Russia is in a war elsewhere.

Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by Eddy_Viscosity2 on Sunday December 08, 2024 @08:44AM (#42357098)
I also fall into the not fully understanding the dynamics at play here. What happens it the Assad family loses? Who would likely take control? Would this be better or worse for the regular Syrian person?
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by nradov on Sunday December 08, 2024 @06:30PM (#42361673)
There is no regular Syrian person. Like most other Middle Eastern countries, Syrian is a random collection of different tribes, sects, and ethnicities forced together by historical accident. Most of those groups don't particularly like each other. So the outcome will be good for some Syrians and terrible for others. Expect another wave of refugees heading to Europe.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by ashoeafoot on Monday December 09, 2024 @12:46AM (#42363337)
isis 2.0
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by sandmn on Sunday December 08, 2024 @09:41AM (#42357389)
In the previous active phase of war in Syria Hezbollah was one of the main Assad supporters that provided manpower. They are extremely weakened right now, so in a way rebels can thank Israel for indirect help.
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by xenospn on Sunday December 08, 2024 @01:37PM (#42359090)
Pretty sure they were waiting for Hezbollah to hit rock bottom (i.e. ceasefire).
Re:Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad f... by netsharc on Sunday December 08, 2024 @06:14PM (#42361573)
I remember reading an analysis a few months ago that Biden (or the US foreign policy in general) was letting Israel continue its conflicts in order to weaken Iran and Russia.

From the cold-blooded point of view, it makes sense, somehow "It's fine" when the US bombs are being dropped by the IDF, and screwing Russia helps Ukraine and Europe too. But probably that's a myopic point of view, a lot of the world has burning hatred against Israel and the USA now.