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Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by DiabloD3 on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:08PM (#36250562)
HN might as well just run the headline that Reddit is shutting down permanently. All the major subs are either temporarily or permanently shutting down in protest.

Do we have a federated Mastodon-esque system to replace Reddit yet? Its the only way to ensure the community survives at this point; Reddit leadership has already proven they only wish to harm both shareholders and the community at large under the guise of "increasing shareholder value" and shove their fiduciary duty under the bus.

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by idlewords on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:22PM (#36250740)
This could be as consequential as the time all Reddit shut down to protest net neutrality.
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by mjfl on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:35PM (#36250880)
If only it would shut down permanently. Reddit is a cancer-infested corpse filled with astroturfing bots.
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by lam3tr0l on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:42PM (#36250960)
It will be the best for the sanity of the users. Their online activity doesn't look very healthy.
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by DeepPhilosopher on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:35PM (#36250872)
"Do we have a federated Mastodon-esque system to replace Reddit yet?" Yes. It's called Lemmy. https://join-lemmy.org Just found out about it today.
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by JauntTrooper on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:38PM (#36250915)
Is there no way to browse without signing in?
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by ripecoconut on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:40PM (#36250940)
I clicked join a server and it just let me browse no problem.
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by ticoombs on Thursday June 08, 2023 @08:48PM (#36251598)
Join Lemmy is the introduction website to find one of the many instances.

You should be able to view instances without joining. Checkout my instance: https://reddthat.com

Ps. I've disabled email verification for a short period to allow the influx to happen.

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by vanous on Friday June 09, 2023 @12:46AM (#36253289)
Isn't that an impersonation risk? Anyone can register under my email?
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by timothyduong on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:44PM (#36250978)
Ah having issues signing into LemmyWorld. Would like to start building content but the sign-in / registration is a little slow...
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by ticoombs on Thursday June 08, 2023 @08:50PM (#36251614)
The UI is getting there. If the username is not long enough it doesn't show anything for example.

Feel free to come join reddthat.com if lemmyWorld doesn't work for you

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by paulddraper on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:54PM (#36251065)
It's pretty junior. Buyer beware
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by somsak2 on Thursday June 08, 2023 @08:47PM (#36251589)
> Popular

> 357 users / month

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by Lariscus on Thursday June 08, 2023 @09:42PM (#36252071)
You can change that.
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by rg111 on Friday June 09, 2023 @12:48AM (#36253311)
I tried joining, and the sign-up button kept buffering for an hour, and then I gave up hope for joining.
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by doublerabbit on Friday June 09, 2023 @09:38AM (#36257649)
> install from Scratch

> These instructions are written for Ubuntu 20.04.

I use FreeBSD, no link to the source anywhere within the manual.

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by ljm on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:28PM (#36250806)
> Do we have a federated Mastodon-esque system to replace Reddit yet?

Back in the day, that was the World Wide Web. Federated gardens are a modern invention.

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by floxy on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:41PM (#36250952)
Whippersnappers and their dubya-dubya-dubya's. Reddit is nothing but a glorified Usenet!
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by doublerabbit on Friday June 09, 2023 @09:12AM (#36257326)
And the internet is nothing more then a digital version of a book ;)
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by LordShredda on Friday June 09, 2023 @01:07PM (#36260814)
I wish books didnt insult me for liking other books
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by nine_k on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:59PM (#36251107)
Three things. (1) User identity. (2) Moderation. (3) Storage and bandwidth. If you don't mind using different identities across subreddits, or are fine using some OIDC provider, you can replace a subreddit with something like a phpbb installation, a classical forum. Its moderation tools, while somehow different, should be adequate to thwart spam and whip rule-breakers into shape. Running somethig picture-heavy, even 1/10 of r/pic, would cost considerable money though.
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by mrtksn on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:30PM (#36250816)
>All the major subs are either temporarily or permanently shutting down in protest.

Is this true though? Are the subs which normal people visit are shutting down too?

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by EscapeFromNY on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:34PM (#36250869)
https://old.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/1401qw5/incomplet...

There's the list so far. Definitely some heavy hitters in there.

Note that if you want to see the full list you'll have to click through to the second thread, since they hit the character limit :)

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by pimlottc on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:57PM (#36251099)
Be aware that there’s are definitely NSFW subs in that list
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by Jaxkr on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:32PM (#36250836)
Yes, many default subs like /r/videos for example are participating in the blackout.
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by schlauerfox on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:36PM (#36250890)
I plan to avoid the platform as I can, but I worry the admin response will be to revoke the communities from their current moderators and install more cooperative scabs, which will have a profound effect on these communities. I'm not sure what the future holds, but reddit can't walk it back now, so I think it will end badly.
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by flangola7 on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:55PM (#36251074)
Poppycock! Reddit can walk it back at any time. This is a conscious choice they are making.
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by love2read on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:09PM (#36250577)
Is mastodon really even taking the spot of twitter?
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by sureglymop on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:27PM (#36250791)
Why do you think it is supposed to? I've been using mastodon for almost a decade and it's been a great experience from the start but I would say pretty different than twitter. Personally I hope Twitter refugees won't ruin the magic of it. It being a bit more niche is great, just like with hacker news too.
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by sen on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:12PM (#36250606)
Not for everybody but it is for a lot of people. Pretty much everyone I followed in my hobbies have switched over and I don’t go back to twitter anymore, and have more content than I can keep up on in Mastadon. I’ve been perfectly happy with it.
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by Pufferbo on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:33PM (#36250853)
This is how I feel as well. People always say that Mastodon will never replace Twitter because it’s either a) too hard to sign up for, b) no enough people on using it. However, since it’s federated, I feel the easier to find people and posts that are more akin to my interests on there. I just joined a midsized software dev focused instance and followed a few tags for my hobbies and my experience is great. It almost feels like Reddit in that way.
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by sureglymop on Thursday June 08, 2023 @08:53PM (#36251653)
Out of curiosity, what instance? Sounds nice.
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by Pufferbo on Thursday June 08, 2023 @10:20PM (#36252298)
Fosstodon: https://fosstodon.org/about

They mainly focus around open source software. Admins are great, and the server is fast and reliable.

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by jonathankoren on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:10PM (#36250595)
Yes. Twitter is dead.
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by willcipriano on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:17PM (#36250676)
> Posted: 6:00 PM Jun 6, 2023

> 107.7M Views

You sure about that?

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1666203439146172419

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by tenpies on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:32PM (#36250846)
Episode 2 just dropped: https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1666928190445477890

5.2 MM views in 1 hour, although I understand there are very valid reasons to not consider that number precise. Even a fraction of that is huge and I think even the most anti-Tucker of Leftist agitprops would have trouble arguing that anything mainstream media puts out tonight will beat this clip.

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by anlaw on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:47PM (#36251002)
Genius CEOs thought Fed money printer and covid were forever too.

You’re not a genius CEO. If the experts get it wrong all the time (and spend a ton of effort promoting what they “do right” to shape perception) why believe you saying 2 successful vids is a lasting trend?

Social media has exposed there is a depressing number of easily titillated by big numbers rubes in the world.

Lindy effect, Goodharts Law; the last 60-70 years are an outdated af zeitgeist to perpetuate.

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by afavour on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:30PM (#36250823)
I agree that Twitter is far from dead but you’re choosing a bad example.

> The main Twitter video view metric is triggered when a user watches a video for at least 2 seconds and sees at least 50% of the video player in-view.

So anyone that had the (auto playing) video in view for two seconds as they scrolled through their feed. Multiplied by the number of times it’s in their feed. It’s a pretty meaningless number.

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by willcipriano on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:34PM (#36250867)
How about:

> 845.9K Likes

> 237.6K Retweets

In a day and a half for a ten minute video of a guy in his basement talking. It isn't even a video platform.

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by afavour on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:41PM (#36250953)
But what is the argument here? 237k retweets is a lot, sure. This tweet from 2020 has 883k retweets and is just four photos:

https://twitter.com/BTS_twt/status/1296701109340237824

So does 237k retweets in 2023 mean the network is as vital as it was in 2020? I have no idea what basis this argument is being made on.

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by belltaco on Thursday June 08, 2023 @09:01PM (#36251744)
Does it mean Twitter is dead though? That's the basis of this thread.
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by afavour on Friday June 09, 2023 @09:20AM (#36257425)
That’s exactly my point. A tweet with 237k retweets was thrown out as a evidence that it’s not dead but I’m asking on what basis 237k is a lot or not a lot.
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by davidcbc on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:39PM (#36250929)
Given how easy it is to have bot farms promote tweets I don't think this is a valid metric to use
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by nostromo on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:59PM (#36251109)
If you think that’s bad, wait until you hear how they measure broadcast and cable television viewership.
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by afavour on Thursday June 08, 2023 @08:07PM (#36251179)
What does that have to do with Twitter’s popularity, though?
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by rafark on Thursday June 08, 2023 @09:50PM (#36252119)
How
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by jonathankoren on Thursday June 08, 2023 @08:05PM (#36251158)
Putting aside the dubious methodology behind that metric, I’d like to point out that’s precisely the wrong metric to be paying attention to. You need to look at the traffic and retention numbers of the power users, and better yet the critical users in the social graph. Power user traffic has declined 25% since Elon.

The reason why this number is more important than overall user growth, is because social networks don’t decline, they chug along, until the collapse all at once, like a bridge with a key support knocked out. By studying the collapse look of Friendster, MySpace, Snap (which technically still exists), this predictor of collapse has been identified.

So yeah Twitter is dead. The rest of the network just doesn’t know it yet.

See:

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/17/twitters-top-users-are-posti... https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29196654/

https://arxiv.org/abs/1302.6109

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by mjr00 on Thursday June 08, 2023 @08:43PM (#36251551)
Twitter exists because of celebrities, politicians, journalists, musicians, etc. And those users have largely not migrated to Mastodon. Maybe you could argue they're promoting more on Tiktok now, but that's a bit of a different platform.

BLACKPINK and Taylor Swift both tweeted today. So did Barack Obama, and Stephen Curry. And CNN, ABC News, CBS News, and Fox News are all constantly updating their Twitter feeds.

Meanwhile the big Mastodon draw is... Kathy Griffin? And her last Mastodon toot was... March 31. Guess she got bored of only getting 100 likes per post.

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by krapp on Thursday June 08, 2023 @08:50PM (#36251612)
The big Mastodon draw is getting away from Twitter and its bullshit.

People who are only interested in virality and clicks and drawing as large an audience as possible are welcome to stay away.

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by jonathankoren on Thursday June 08, 2023 @10:40PM (#36252429)
You seem to be confused. I didn’t say Mastodon is going to replace Twitter. I literally said, “Twitter is dead,” and then laid out why the collapse has already started. This shouldn’t be controversial. Twitter has been losing users for years now.

Celebrities aren’t trendsetters. They’re laggards. To use the hockey metaphor, they always skate to the puck, not where it is going. Case in point: Every band was on MySpace until well after the collapse began.

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by breput on Thursday June 08, 2023 @08:06PM (#36251162)
Do you really trust those numbers?

Twitter has all the inventive in the world to artificially inflate view counts and have done similar, sketchy things recently[0].

[0] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/02/report-musk-had-...

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by CarlsonTucker on Friday June 09, 2023 @07:48AM (#36256424)
Poor Tuck is doing a Twitch channel now?!
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by idlewords on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:24PM (#36250756)
It seems to have drained a lot of the more annoying people off Twitter, making it more fun.
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by bmarquez on Thursday June 08, 2023 @08:03PM (#36251147)
From what I've seen, only for niche programming or highly technical circles.

My "normie" friends don't even want to try something polished like Signal. Mastodon would have to be heavily simplified, polished, and maybe sponsor some exclusive influencers to actually take the spot of Twitter.

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by jonathankoren on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:10PM (#36250592)
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Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by snapcaster on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:19PM (#36250691)
What do you mean? I know nothing about lemmy but from the posted link it doesn't appear communist
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by jonathankoren on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:19PM (#36250694)
He’s a troll
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by shitlord on Thursday June 08, 2023 @10:22PM (#36252320)
One of the developers actually marketed Lemmy as "communist-developed": https://www.reddit.com/r/socialistprogrammers/comments/mzqv3...

There's nothing wrong with that, per se. The larger issue preventing widespread adoption is that the authors really don't want you to modify/customize the software in certain ways. The slur filter was hard coded and unmodifiable for a long time. There was a ton of drama around that, all because the developers don't like right wingers. https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/hvz2l9/...

Lemmy is a good alternative for certain subreddits who want their own website. It's not a replacement for the entire reddit platform though, and I don't think any of the reddit alternatives really come close in that regard.

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by awesome_dude on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:24PM (#36250763)
>Do we have a federated Mastodon-esque system to replace Reddit yet?

Yes - it's all the sites that people link to on reddit :-P

For the record, there's something happening to all the big Social Media sites over the last few years

IRC/Freenode - dead, replaced by Libera, but not nearly as vibrant as its heyday

Twitter - dying, replaced by Mastodon, Bluesky, and Instagram, none of them really capture the magic that was twitter, Bluesky feels a lot like Google+, Mastodon is regularly policed by people demanding that people not act like it's twitter.. and Instagram is for kids...

Facebook - seems to be dying, they've blown things with their advertising model, and the automagic content moderation is/was also a fail (it either judges everyone far too harshly, or not at all), the users are heading to FB's other sites (Instagram) or Tik Tok

Reddit - dying (but is this temporary?), being replaced by Lobsters, Hacker News, maybe more

Tik Tok - facing serious regulatory challenges in Europe and the US.

It's inevitable that things will die/change, I do find it really interesting that the big ones from the last decade are all suddenly finding themselves on the outer.

One of the exceptions is YouTube, which faced serious competition from the likes of Tik Tok, but still appears to be generating content/high readership, and seems largely immune to the absolute garbage that's been uploaded over the past few years (conspiracy nuts, politics, etc)

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by Solvency on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:40PM (#36250945)
Why does everyone forget Discourse?

It's quietly enabling all of the best topic/product/niche-specific commmunities out there. https://discourse.mcneel.com as an example is a thriving treasure trove for CAD/Nurbs/product modelers/architects/etc.

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by awesome_dude on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:45PM (#36250986)
Ha! If people are forgetting it, is it really a competitor?

Truth is, for me, I just don't use it - it's as bad as Slack IMO, but I'm sure that a lot of people are finding it worthwhile

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by Solvency on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:54PM (#36251072)
How is it bad? It's a message board by topic, sorted by last activity, and supports all kinds of media / preformatted text / replies / notifications / etc. If you don't like the community or subject matter, that makes sense. But what else are you looking for?
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by tredre3 on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:53PM (#36251057)
I'm trying to forget it. Honestly Discourse is truly awful. Navigation is terrible, finding stuff is terrible, the UX in general is just so bad compared to what it tries to replace (BB forums).
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by Solvency on Thursday June 08, 2023 @08:06PM (#36251170)
How it is any different from a streamlined BB forum?

* Topics are sorted the exact same way as a BB, by default. * Posts have all the usual multimedia features. * The search actually works. * It's super fast and minimal.

I'm generally curious what your UX frustrations are here...

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by Macha on Thursday June 08, 2023 @08:24PM (#36251360)
1. You click a search result and the content that showed up in the search result snippet is not on the page you get linked to because it's only lazily loading the N most recent replies and there's been more than N since it was indexed by a search engine

2. When you try to Ctrl-F search it hijacks it with the server side search, it is slower than the browser search. It also does not reliably default to search in this thread, and sometimes fails to find content that's on screen even.

3. The WIP reply draft is synced across all your tabs, which can be obnoxious if you're trying to read one post to reply in another topic based on its contents.

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by rafark on Thursday June 08, 2023 @09:53PM (#36252132)
Agreed. It’s awful. It tried to innovate too much that it resulted in a not so easy to use app.

Glad most forums use xenforo.

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by Semaphor on Thursday June 08, 2023 @10:00PM (#36252190)
Because whenever I use it, I start feeling like maybe the XDA forums aren’t so bad.
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by gaganyaan on Thursday June 08, 2023 @10:30PM (#36252369)
I was just thinking today how I'd like to forget about Discourse. They overrode fucking ctrl+f to redirect it to their shitty search, and if you bother to activate an actually useful search tool like the one that comes in your browser, you can just get fucked. They use heavy amounts of javascript to load only a few comments in the DOM at a time so you can't find a damn thing.

Terrible, terrible system that should've already been replaced by static html + htmx.

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by gnoop on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:49PM (#36251020)
I'd add that Discord is also a modern IRC / Freenode. That seems to be one of the primary places people are flocking as they abandon most current social media sites.
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by philippejara on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:19PM (#36250699)
its not the only way to ensure a community survives, forums have existed before reddit and will exist later. You even have examples of communities that left, created their own version of reddit and seem to be doing fine.

> Reddit leadership has already proven they only wish to harm both shareholders and the community at large under the guise of "increasing shareholder value" and shove their fiduciary duty under the bus.

reddit isn't a public company, so unless the current owners who are the ones putting all this in motion are looking into self-flagellation they haven't proven a thing. The reality is that reddit is huge, and most users couldn't care less about all this drama.

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by angry_moose on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:24PM (#36250765)
They're about to IPO though, which is what has led to all of this drama, so it's a fair criticism.
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by philippejara on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:37PM (#36250903)
it's a fair criticism when you limit it to the users being affected, when you start talking about the owners(the current shareholders!) willingly eschewing fiduciary duty and damaging shareholders as if the owners were trying to hurt themselves it loses all meaning.
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by bmitc on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:24PM (#36250760)
> The reality is that reddit is huge, and most users couldn't care less about all this drama.

That seems like a strong statement. Currently on /r/all, top posts 1, 3, 5, 6, and 14 are all regarding this. Some pretty major subreddits are planning on joining in on the protests.

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by tsunamifury on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:50PM (#36251029)
HN — Mastedon is like “fetch”: it’s not going to happen. Does no one on this site understand there are an infinite number of easier ways to be social than a engineers dream of a self serve social network?
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by tester457 on Thursday June 08, 2023 @09:13PM (#36251846)
I dislike Mastodon too, but what changes do you think Mastodon and Lemmy need to be a viable option?
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by tsunamifury on Thursday June 08, 2023 @11:08PM (#36252623)
Twitters real issue is that it’s dated. Have you seen modern social networks? They are highly visual and much more stimulating for better or worse. Copying Twitter might as well be like copying a 1920s radio for how outdated it is. Complete paradigm shift since then with messaging and video.
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by the_third_wave on Saturday June 10, 2023 @08:58AM (#36270079)
Not all change is good, progress for progress' sake is an example of this. The more "visual and much more stimulating" nature of those "modern social networks" stands to "dated" mostly text-based communications as "high sugar deep fried processed" food stands towards "traditional" food made with fresh ingredients. Sure, the kids will gorge themselves on it but they'll end up as obese adults suffering from low insulin sensitivity a.k.a. diabetes type 2. Twitter itself already resembles a Twinkie compared to the home-cooked lunch served by NNTP so it is not as if copying the Twitter model is something to aim for.
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by tsunamifury on Sunday June 11, 2023 @12:17PM (#36282719)
Have you tried getting user growth with this lecture?
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by the_third_wave on Monday June 12, 2023 @12:45PM (#36296473)
Lecture? More a statement of fact, you'd be surprised how many people are looking for less invasive, more performant services.

Yes, there are plenty of potential users to be found. Were you around when Google first came to the market? If so you may remember the sparse just-give-me-what-I-want layout of their search engine. People flocked to Google. Remember the first Google ads, just a few text lines? Take Craigslist as an example and notice how its sparse layout makes it work.

BTW you should update your 'about' text which states that 'This account is no longer active in protest of Hacker News censorship' given that the account seems to be active.

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by hn_throwaway_99 on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:51PM (#36251037)
> All the major subs are either temporarily or permanently shutting down in protest.

But I'd just add there is a pretty major difference between "temporarily" and "permanently". Major kudos to r/ProgrammerHumor and other subs that are doing it right - saying they will be shutting down indefinitely unless Reddit changes their stance.

Just saying you're only going to shut down for a couple days is essentially theater - Reddit can certainly wait out some popular subs being down for a few days. More generally, that's really the only way protests have a way of achieving their goals, by saying you'll engage in some behavior (or boycott) until your demands are met, or at least met with some change. Anything that's time limited is pretty much doomed to fail. For example, I'm not sure what the organizers of the recent Amazon "walkout" hoped to accomplish. That wasn't a walkout, it was lunch.

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by mjr00 on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:57PM (#36251092)
> But I'd just add there is a pretty major difference between "temporarily" and "permanently". Major kudos to r/ProgrammerHumor and other subs that are doing it right - saying they will be shutting down indefinitely unless Reddit changes their stance.

A permanent closure of a popular sub is 100% going to lead to Reddit declaring the sub abandoned, replacing the mod team, and reopening. Has happened many times before. Not sure if programminghumor in particular meets that popularity threshold though.

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by hn_throwaway_99 on Thursday June 08, 2023 @08:41PM (#36251527)
> Has happened many times before.

Do you have examples, specifically when a subreddit went dark in protest and Reddit replaced the mods?

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by SauciestGNU on Thursday June 08, 2023 @10:20PM (#36252305)
I recall one popular but controversial subreddit's founder (think it was KotakuInAction) shut down the subreddit because he didn't like what it had become, and the admins demodded him and gave the sub to its other mods.
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by hn_throwaway_99 on Friday June 09, 2023 @10:25AM (#36258269)
That's a pretty different case, and exactly why I asked the question.

I have heard of cases where essentially a mod went on a power trip/tantrum and wanted to shut down a subreddit, but that behavior specifically angered the vast majority of subscribers to that subreddit. I think the optics and reality of that are very different from a subreddit shutting down to protest the API changes (in some cases, subreddits held polls).

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by hsdropout on Friday June 09, 2023 @01:32PM (#36261125)
Didn't the satire version of r/onlyfans have a similar story?
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by diydsp on Thursday June 08, 2023 @08:11PM (#36251228)
> replacing the mod team,

That's like immigrant jobs: You can take them away but there aren't hoards of passionate volunteers chomping at the bit to replace them.

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by Macha on Thursday June 08, 2023 @08:20PM (#36251325)
I mean, there's plenty of people lining up to have the "authority" of an internet mod, but not so many that can be trusted not to set up their own petty dictatorship or get bored when they realise what mods actually mostly do.
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by stevenwliao on Thursday June 08, 2023 @08:41PM (#36251529)
Can confirm as a subreddit mod.

The day to day is mostly deciding whether borderline comments should be removed and whether a post contains too much self-promotion.

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by unsupp0rted on Friday June 09, 2023 @02:51AM (#36254247)
Why do you do it?
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by faeriechangling on Friday June 09, 2023 @03:07AM (#36254359)
Not the same person, but one perk is you can influence a chunk of people just by abusing things like stickies.
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by stevenwliao on Friday June 09, 2023 @04:15AM (#36254843)
People are so cynical on HN lol- see my sibling comment.

I like Internet communities and am willing to volunteer some time to help some be more successful.

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by canadianfella on Thursday June 08, 2023 @08:31PM (#36251428)
Yes there are. Lots of money can be made as mods of popular subreddits.
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by sv123 on Thursday June 08, 2023 @08:40PM (#36251519)
How do they do that? Asking for a friend.
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by tapland on Thursday June 08, 2023 @08:56PM (#36251690)
You let some selfpromoting astroturfed stuff slip > product/service has an unbeliveable sales increase
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by somsak2 on Thursday June 08, 2023 @08:46PM (#36251582)
Reddit can pay mods, just like every other social network does. Not rocket science, and if they did it just for the top ones, wouldn't cost that much.
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by CamelCaseName on Thursday June 08, 2023 @09:56PM (#36252158)
Reddit can largely automate moderation. It's not hard, but... there are a lot of not hard things that Reddit screws up.

If this was even 1 year ago, things would be different. But it's not.

(I moderate a major subreddit)

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by beezlewax on Friday June 09, 2023 @02:04AM (#36253891)
Why work for free?
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by unsupp0rted on Friday June 09, 2023 @02:56AM (#36254273)
If not paid in dollars, mods get paid in power and authority. Interacting with mods who accept power and authority as payment goes about how you’d expect.
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by CamelCaseName on Friday June 09, 2023 @08:05AM (#36256553)
Because I'm an idiot.

There is something wrong with me that in the 90-9-1 rule, I need to be the 1%. I see a forum, and I can't stop myself from commenting or posting. Getting invited to moderate happens naturally after that.

I wish I was the 90%.

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by slg on Thursday June 08, 2023 @08:01PM (#36251126)
A temporary action is a demonstration of intent, motivation, and power. It is a negotiation tactic to use in place of more extreme actions but doesn't eliminate those actions from being taken in the future. A walkout might precede a strike and a temporary subreddit shutdown might proceed a permanent shutdown. Sure, in a way it is "theater", but so are most negotiating tactics.
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by websap on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:57PM (#36251098)
Well, I'll be deleting my account and am texting / uploading stories on my other social media accounts to ask my friends and connections to do the same. Reddit has taken the content and hard work of 1000s of users, monetized it, and now wants to shut the gates.
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by hn_thrwn on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:55PM (#36251077)
The only people worse than reddit admins are reddit mods.

They seem to be under the impression that being allowed to occupy a digital space means they own it. This will be educational to them when they are all banned and replaced with chatbots.

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by test098 on Thursday June 08, 2023 @08:06PM (#36251171)
reddit the company doesn't produce any content. they rely on people creating communities, cultivating them, and actively moderating them (for free!). i'd say that gives those creators more of a claim to ownership than the platform hosting that content. reddit doesn't exist without them - what value does the site have if they kick out everyone who "occupies" reddit.com?

would you participate in an online forum only populated with chatbots?

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by yjftsjthsd-h on Thursday June 08, 2023 @08:13PM (#36251254)
> This will be educational to them when they are all banned and replaced with chatbots.

If they are replaced with chatbots, then I'm sure that the result will be educational to somebody. Not necessarily with the conclusion you imply, though.

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by stevenwliao on Thursday June 08, 2023 @08:43PM (#36251544)
I would love to replace my modding activities with a bot.

We're not there yet.

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by hn_thrwn on Friday June 09, 2023 @12:19AM (#36253081)
We've had random number generators for a while.
Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by tsuujin on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:57PM (#36251095)
As others have said, lemmy is a viable alternative. Just beware that their flagship instance is pretty terrible in terms of political content.

Maybe check out beehaw.org

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by monksy on Thursday June 08, 2023 @08:02PM (#36251136)
Lemmy is the federated version.

https://lemmy.ml/

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by MortimerDukePhD on Thursday June 08, 2023 @08:16PM (#36251283)
> Do we have a federated Mastodon-esque system to replace Reddit yet?

Maybe they can go to whatever platform the banned subreddits reformed on. Unfortunately many of the subreddit communities that are now being screwed over in the same fashion by Reddit were cheering on that behavior when others were targeted.

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by jakecopp on Thursday June 08, 2023 @10:45PM (#36252460)
> Do we have a federated Mastodon-esque system to replace Reddit yet?

Yes we do! It's called Lemmy - it's built on ActivityPub, is Mastodon compatible, and people actually use it!

https://lemmy.ml/post/1147770

Knowing HN users, I don't know why Lemmy hasn't been all over the front page. It works brilliantly.

Re:r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit... by zinklog on Friday June 09, 2023 @01:49AM (#36253803)
Both Lemmy and Kbin are part of the fediverse and are seeing explosive growth for the last few days. Once the initial barrier of confusion about how federation works is gone, they are actually pretty promising and I can see a lot of people migrating for good there.