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Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by jillesvangurp on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @05:57AM (#35785307)
IBM as a company barely makes sense at all at this point. They are a very large and a former tech company that mostly coasts along on doing expensive consulting projects around me-too clones of things that other people have invented just so they can still pretend to be a tech company. So you can do things with AI, cloud, and databases with them. But they aren't really leaders in any of that for a long time. And having been exposed to some of that stuff, they aren't very good at it even but they can still get some things done. They still have lots of ancient tech from last century that they support of course. But mostly a new company starting their business today would have very little reason to engage with IBM on anything. There's very little that they do that you can't get cheaper and better elsewhere.

So, IBM using this opportunity to cut down their own org tree a bit more and "replace it with AI" (or simply drop some people) is not unexpected. Because consulting related to doing exactly that is probably what they'll be selling a lot for the next few years. Basically, as world + dog is trying to figure out how to fit AI into their businesses, consulting related to that is going to be booming. And IBM is a consulting company. A lot of their previous efforts are actually powering the backoffice of course. So now that AI is going to replace all of that, that basically means there is going to be a lot of consulting happening as to how that would work. So that's a good business opportunity.

Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by realusername on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @06:07AM (#35785373)
The irony of that is they are probably going to use AI services of competitors to do that despite pioneering the marketing on it for years, thus closing the loop.
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by anonylizard on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @06:09AM (#35785388)
There's nothing ironic about it. They invested only in the marketing of AI, but not in the serious R&D of it, pretty sure internally they never believed in their own AIs. Plus they got the publicity benefit from Watson, which is important for a consulting company.
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by OscarTheGrinch on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @06:45AM (#35785627)
IBM had / has an army of sales types running around trying to insert Watson into health care, always reminded me of the Dick Jones character from Robocop trying to pedal the fundamentally flawed ED-209: "I had a guaranteed military sale with ED209! Renovation program! Spare parts for 25 years! Who cares if it worked or not!"

Such an ethically questionable decision, trying to push unproven / non-functional tech into life or death decision making.

Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by dagw on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @06:52AM (#35785678)
trying to insert Watson into health care

They were trying to insert Watson into everything. I used to work at a company that worked with building management systems and we had Watson sales people all over our senior managers trying to get 'collaboration' projects going.

Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by ThenAsNow on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @08:46PM (#35809868)
Not usually in this habit, but really needed to commend you bringing in not only Robocop, not just stopping with Dick Jones, but including his quote as well. This really made my day.

Signed, A fan of Robocop as dystopic corporatocracy preview

Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by OscarTheGrinch on Thursday May 04, 2023 @02:08AM (#35811760)
Thanks!

"Always seize the opportunity to take a divebomb shit on corporate malfeasance through the medium of film quotes." - Wesley Snipes, Passenger 57

Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by jillesvangurp on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @07:07AM (#35785772)
Their in house stuff is mostly based on OSS anyway. There isn't a whole lot of IBM proprietary tech that they have to bring to the table anyway. I wouldn't be surprised to see them do some acquisitions to buy some street credibility though.
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by pulse7 on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @06:28AM (#35785517)
Unlike many other tech companies they provide unprecedented backwards compatibility which makes a very solid foundation for their customers... There don't do "automatic-updates" which break software like Microsoft is doing with Windows...
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by aflag on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @06:03AM (#35785351)
That's a very cynical view. It might be true, but I hardly think they were just waiting for the perfect opportunity. If it made business sense before, they would've already been halting their hiring.
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by wesapien on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @06:50AM (#35785663)
A lot of corporations are replacing humans jobs instead of enhancing them with new tech like what the tech gurus say during their TED talks about the benefits of X tech. Another reason to flip cars.
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by qualudeheart on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @07:38AM (#35786023)
Smart Money flips houses. The Smartest Money flips GPUs.
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by ThorsBane on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @03:09PM (#35792604)
The smartest money flips the output of the GPUs, more precisely. Flipping GPUs is just a side project.
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by mitjam on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @03:34PM (#35792950)
Smart Money flips houses. The smartest money flips bits.
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by jillesvangurp on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @07:11AM (#35785813)
They've been going through cycles of doing that for many years. Their head count has dropped by about a third in the last decade. It peaked at 460K people in 2012 and they are now closer to 340K. So -120K people in ten years.

https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/IBM/ibm/number-of-...

What they just announced is a relatively minor round.

Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by bonzini on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @12:48PM (#35790421)
That source doesn't seem too accurate, 2020 is shown as a decrease but it's when RH was acquired, and 2021 or 2022 should have had a -90K from the Kyndryl spin off.

Also I am not sure if the 2014 decrease is also related to the formation of GlobalFoundries but I couldn't right away find news about a -80K layoff that year.

Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by Frost1x on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @07:47AM (#35786098)
Keep in mind that a lot of B2B transaction use in tech is about passing responsibility and liability. Executive or director somewhere has to solve this internal problem. IBM claims they solve it and provide some degree of guarantee. You're now able to pass that problem, responsibility, and liability off by pointing to the contract and saying legal pursuit is an option. Obviously this strategy isn't great from a business perspective. If the problem is actually critical to the business function, simply having a hired scapegoat to complain and point at doesn't help you get past that problem.

If you're this massive inertial machine and the problem is to some degree artificial and a waste of internal resources but someone thinks it isn't, having someone like IBM on the hook gives credibility to the argument that they did their due diligence to solve the problem. Business at scale has a lot of childish fingerpointing. "No one ever got fired for hiring/buying IBM" as the saying goes.

Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by htrp on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @12:24PM (#35790000)
as barney from himym says ... PLEASE
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by int_19h on Saturday May 06, 2023 @01:33AM (#35838356)
"Nobody ever got fired for buying IBM" is literally a 40 year old meme.
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by roncesvalles on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @11:08AM (#35788658)
IBM got to this point for a very basic reason - they don't pay well.
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by manicennui on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @11:44AM (#35789343)
You have no idea what you are talking about. IBM does more cutting edge research than the entire HN bubble combined. Hard research like materials science and semiconductors.

Consulting is less than a third of their revenue and regardless of how you feel about consulting, it seems kind of idiotic to claim that they this "barely makes sense at all at this point". Are the only companies that make sense the ones that work on fad bullshit that makes the front page of HN?

Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by rybosworld on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @12:01PM (#35789645)
They have seemingly 1000 products so it's definitely not fair to apply experiences with one of those, to all of the others.

That said, I've hated the handful of IBM software products I've needed to use.

Another anecdote: I've never met a fellow developer that spoke highly of IBM. That includes the folks who used to work there.

I think it's remarkable how rare it is to meet someone that speaks highly of the company. Companies don't usually achieve such reputation without reason.

Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by gjadi on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @12:41PM (#35790293)
"There are two types of companies: the ones people complain about, and the ones nobody has heard of."
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by makeitdouble on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @05:05PM (#35794194)
In which camp do you put TSMC ?
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by fallingknife on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @05:42PM (#35794618)
Nobody has heard of. Ask people outside of tech and I bet <10% have heard of this company.
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by asdfman123 on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @11:19PM (#35797440)
Lots of people have heard of them, but most of the people who have actually worked there speak Chinese.
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by skeeter2020 on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @12:58PM (#35790627)
For a company that's done so much tech, and had such a huge impact on the computer industry, there are very few "true blue" IBMers who you can hold up as engineering pioneers. Tehy've always been bog-standard salesmen.
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by dc-programmer on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @07:00PM (#35795329)
They do get innovation points for inventing SQL (over 50 years ago)
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by TigeriusKirk on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @02:01PM (#35791688)
My college roommate has worked for IBM his entire career, over 30 years. He loves it there, obviously, and never seriously considered leaving.
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by mynonameaccount on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @06:59PM (#35795322)
He doesn't need to consider it, IBM will consider it for him
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by raverbashing on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @01:39AM (#35798423)
Let me guess, he enjoys wearing a tie to work
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by red-iron-pine on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @09:43AM (#35802294)
I never realized how much I hate ties until I spent 3+ years working essentially in t-shirts and jeans. Never again, outside of interviews or formal events (weddings, funerals, et al).
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by red-iron-pine on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @09:42AM (#35802273)
> Another anecdote: I've never met a fellow developer that spoke highly of IBM. That includes the folks who used to work there.

Worked with a buncha folks in the NC Research Triangle area, all former IBM. None had good things to say about the engineering culture there. Most did long stays regardless -- it's that kinda of org -- talking like 10+ years, but jumped to other companies like Red Hat (ha!), Clorox, Splunk, and Uni research after the last big shakeup.

Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by Upvoter33 on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @11:56AM (#35789560)
I think the true thing is that IBM has ceased to be a leader in Computer Science. They used to be! But they gave that up long ago, and have resorted to various publicity stunts (e.g., remember Jeopardy?). But sure, they may be a leader in materials and semiconductors (though honestly I have no idea, that's not my space).
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by sgt101 on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @12:37PM (#35790232)
Watson the IBM product, six months dead,

Forgot that medicine is fraught with regs,

And failed to profit from sick mens loss,

A truth is spoken,

Where hackers gather, that shares can rise and fall.

But IBM has flushed it.

Founder or Dev,

O you who grift or code for a living,

Consider IBM who once thought AI was useful and could replace you.

Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by rerx on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @01:19PM (#35790990)
Lyrics by Chat-GPT?
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by sgt101 on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @05:04PM (#35794186)
nahh - poor human generation
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by dlevine on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @12:52PM (#35790516)
ChatGPT wrote the following poem about Watson:

While Watson is a marvel of its time, LLMs emerged with strengths refined. Comparisons drawn, distinctions made, Let us explore this technological parade.

Watson's power, its claim to fame, In parsing data, it made its name. But limitations surfaced as tasks progressed, A new contender, LLMs addressed.

Language models, large and wise, Their prowess grew with a rapid rise. GPT-4 and brethren in tow, Comprehension, generation, their skills did grow.

In context and nuance, LLMs soared, Understanding language, a mighty hoard. With deeper knowledge and subtler hues, The limitations of Watson, they did subdue.

Yet, it's not fair to claim one's worse, For in their time, they both traversed. The landscapes of knowledge, distinct and vast, In different roles, their legacies cast.

While Watson opened the door to AI's might, LLMs built upon it, reaching new heights. A symbiotic dance, technology's tale, A testament to progress, a journey we hail.

Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by jsight on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @01:02PM (#35790713)
People mock them for that Jeopardy thing, but that would have been the perfect first move to offering something like Watson as a service.

They could have built it over time to offer real assistance to knowledge workers with a real revenue stream.

But that would have required vision and foresight.

Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by SoftTalker on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @01:35PM (#35791254)
The problem is that "Watson" wasn't a real thing, it was just a name they gave to any solution they were trying to sell.
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by local_crmdgeon on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @01:12PM (#35790865)
That's exactly what it was for, but it was basically a fraud:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/16/technology/what-happened-...

Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by juve1996 on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @01:43PM (#35791386)
They did and it failed miserably.
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by piyh on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @01:42PM (#35791371)
They're cutting edge on quantum computing, can't think of anything more computer science than that.
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by gitfan86 on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @01:51PM (#35791529)
So they say. Remember Watson? Whatever came of that? IBM is PR and overpriced IT outsourcing.
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by elorant on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @02:22PM (#35791993)
And what are the real life applications of quantum computing?
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by bawolff on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @03:12PM (#35792644)
There are quite significant applications related to simulating certain quantum processes.

However everyone is still pretty far off from that.

Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by tootie on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @12:24PM (#35789998)
IBM also bet the farm on AI about 10 years ago and belly-flopped. Their Watson AI suite was pretty advanced and they famously beat Ken Jennings at Jeopardy, but they didn't get vary far making their tools practical or profitable. And now they've just been crushed by OpenAI. I wonder if the subtext to their announcement is that they're ditching their entire AI department and buying services from OpenAI instead.
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by hammyhavoc on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @01:34PM (#35791230)
This is without even getting into projects under NDA.
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by sidewndr46 on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @01:35PM (#35791247)
Sure, those 24 consecutive quarters of revenue decline under Rometty is an obvious indication of cutting edge. Cutting edge research on how to turn investors money into into option traders profits.
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by abakker on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @01:51PM (#35791523)
I'd point out at that Ginni Rometty was a bad CEO, but that doesn't mean that people there didn't do good research. Like, they're pretty unrelated. Research and Development is notoriously hard to commercialize. Over here in HN land, we just say that product market fit is poor or that products didn't get traction, but those are just as akin to R&D as anything.

A better model was that Rometty was not good at choosing what to fund and which bets to make. kinda a failed VC fund.

Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by sidewndr46 on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @01:56PM (#35791604)
What good is a R&D performed that can't be commercialized? To me, that is just good research followed by bad development. No one investing in IBM is expecting it to be a public works project.

Lookup the saga of HP's memristor followed by "The Machine" for a similar story.

Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by TedDoesntTalk on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @02:31PM (#35792138)
> What good is a R&D performed that can't be commercialized?

Then I guess we can throw out Xerox Parc's NLS because they never commercialized "windows, hypertext, graphics, video conferencing, the computer mouse, word processing, dynamic file linking, revision control, and a collaborative real-time editor." They were commercialized by others later on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mother_of_All_Demos

We can also throw out most psych, social science, archeology, and history R&D, too.

Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by willcipriano on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @02:58PM (#35792484)
> We can also throw out most psych, social science

Yes.

Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by anthk on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @04:36PM (#35793832)
First at all, they had to be called 'sciences'. They aren't.
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by pinewurst on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @03:44PM (#35793089)
NLS came from SRI not Xerox PARC. NLS was in fact commercialized and sold by Tymshare.
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by smcin on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @05:14PM (#35794304)
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by fallingknife on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @05:52PM (#35794738)
Would love to know what the last major breakthrough in social science / psych R&D was.

Archeology / history, on the other hand, definitely have some pretty awesome finds.

Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by abakker on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @10:41PM (#35797109)
Maybe UBI? I mean, hard to say it's been tested enough, but that feels like an answer to this question.
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by dralley on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @06:44PM (#35795195)
Also 2000 years of Mathematicians talking about Prime Numbers before someone came up with the idea of cryptography using prime numbers.

And the laser, which took a few decades to find an application.

Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by 6510 on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @05:47PM (#35794678)
> What good is a R&D performed that can't be commercialized?

It attracts playful wizards. If you get enough of those no amount of zombies can beat them.

Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by pixl97 on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @01:53PM (#35791549)
Income and cutting edge technology are at best orthogonal to each other. Now I'm not saying that IBM has cutting edge technology, I'm just saying that a ponzi scheme that profits 24 months in a row is cutting edge under your definition.
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by propogandist on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @08:45AM (#35801731)
her role crashing the company into the ground is completely omitted in her book, which has been popping up on my linkedin feed. Her gender and former title is clearly more important than what she accomplished, much like Marrisa Mayer.
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by LawTalkingGuy on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @02:00PM (#35791665)
You can't hire their research arm.

> regardless of how you feel about consulting

It's a matter of how well they do it. They're not known for creating customer value.

> Are the only companies that make sense the ones

... who don't lay off entire arenas full of people and discuss stupid platitudes like replacing them with AI.

Pretty much. Management's messaging around this was so delusional - "replace with AI" - that it's obviously a stock play from a company desperate to cut losses, not a positive statement from a going concern.

Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by propogandist on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @08:49AM (#35801777)
it is possible to hire the research division, you just have to be a multi-billion dollar enterprise. They do joint research partnerships and outsourcing for large organizations to build out new technology. IBM is not very good at commercializing IP, so the partner takes on that responsibility.
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by agumonkey on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @02:15PM (#35791887)
This is the strange side of IBM. Very muddy and mild "normal" software engineering, and all of a sudden, top 3 (maybe top 1) Quantum Computing research.
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by acomjean on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @03:22PM (#35792776)
Former IBM Research employee here (At the turn of the last century, and I did database stuff for them, not research). They spent 6 billion dollars a year on research. They had a chip fab in my building (Yorktown NY) which had chemists, physicist, mathematicians... The really seemed to be struggling to try and turn that R&D into profits though.

The hot new thing at IBM was "global services" consulting. Since I left they've sold they're chip business, laptop business and really doubled down on consulting..

Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by garbagecoder on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @05:13PM (#35794302)
bro, I'm not holding my breath for the next Benoit Mandelbrot to come out of today's IBM. The comment above might have been hyperbolic, sure, but IBM isn't the omnipresent Goliath it once was. Maybe it's for us older folks that the comparison rings more true.
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by rst on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @11:59AM (#35789614)
IBM is a bunch of businesses, some of which still likely make sense -- their mainframe hardware line (S/360 successors, currently branded as z/System), and associated products, are still actively developed, and very likely profitable, considered on their own. But that may not be enough to carry the rest of the business.
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by AlbertCory on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @12:29PM (#35790087)
It was always the case that IBM stuff was way overpriced compared to alternatives but a senior manager who bought it could rest easy, knowing that if he called and complained, they'd be right on it. Even 10 years in the future, they'd be right on it.

That's worth something to some people, who really don't give a shit about technology and just want the problem solved.

Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by t43562 on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @12:52PM (#35790519)
Software for people who don't care about software! Personally I think if you don't care about something it will be bad.

This is great for small companies and startups - if the bigger ones did things properly how could anyone compete?

Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by AlbertCory on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @12:55PM (#35790579)
Exactly! They're creating a Quality Umbrella.

"if you don't care about something it will be bad" -- maybe to you. To them, it's not causing any problems that they care about.

Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by t43562 on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @08:27AM (#35801548)
Not to me but to the company/institution and all its users. Of course the person who arranged it doesn't care because they are in a situation where they are immune to those particular consequences. e.g. they never use the system and nor do any of their senior managers so they can dismiss all complaints and report on how much money they saved.

If one innocently wants to do what's right for the institution, the shareholders or the taxpayers, one has to care. Its usually a tactical mistake to care of course - people who don't have a lot more freedom of action.

Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by flavius29663 on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @02:00PM (#35791666)
exactly. As I heard, google can be pretty bad at support, for example. Better tech does not mean better experience overall
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by swexbe on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @02:06PM (#35791765)
Now when they call I guess they'll be directed towards the AI chat bot helpline :)
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by AlbertCory on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @02:44PM (#35792303)
Yup. Never underestimate the ability of middle managers to zero in on the company's main competitive advantage and wipe it out with cost-cutting, e.g.

"We have a great beer customers love? Great, now we're going to use cheaper ingredients. They'll never notice."

"We have great Mexican food, because everything's made fresh on-site? Great, now we're going to shift to a central commissary."

Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by hinkley on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @02:19PM (#35791950)
IBM’s MO now, especially for the Global Services arm, is Dazzle Them With Bullshit.

They come up with solutions so baroque that it’s exhausting even to hear them talk about it. So you just hire more IGS people to take care of the problems they created. It’s a racket, based on them literally not making sense.

Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by 1970-01-01 on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @05:25PM (#35794430)
IBM is a company in the same way Hawaii is a state. There's a lot of great of stuff going on, most of it is done "at the other island" and a lot of the stuff will be consumed by a live volcano without anyone really noticing.
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by selimthegrim on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @07:26AM (#35800995)
So going by the flag it’s also the East India company is what you’re saying.
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by sys_64738 on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @05:52PM (#35794739)
IBM lost its way in the 90s and was overrun by startups which became massive. Nobody wants to work for IBM as it's kiss of death to your CV.
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by abraae on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @07:04PM (#35795376)
> IBM as a company barely makes sense at all at this point.

I started my career at IBM in the 1980s. My dad worked there before me.

It's impossible to convey how much hubris existed in the company then, at the peak of the "No-one ever got fired for buying IBM" days. IBM was a god.

The company had never laid off a single employee. The talk was that the R&D divisions had multiple generations of innovative tech up their sleeves and if any competitor ever got close, well they'd just pop something out like from a vending machine to kick their ass. I believed it.

It became obvious when the company started losing the PC market that things weren't actually that rosey at all, and there were serious issues.

Later it became obvious that the company was turning into a consulting company instead of a technology company and the glory days were well over.

Nothing's changed since then. Things have only gone from bad from worse for IBM.

My point - nothing really but disagreement with this observation.

IBM still makes sense, as a dying beast but with customers that can still be milked. As long as those customers can be mikled, IBM will continue to make sense.

Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by anukin on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @07:51PM (#35795872)
Damn it feels so much like Apple now
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by asdfman123 on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @11:21PM (#35797457)
And Google
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by jb1991 on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @12:04AM (#35797833)
Apple Silicon is one of the most revolutionary new technologies in awhile. Apple has a long way to go before it is at IBM’s status.
Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by Analemma_ on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @10:26AM (#35802796)
> The talk was that the R&D divisions had multiple generations of innovative tech up their sleeves and if any competitor ever got close, well they'd just pop something out like from a vending machine to kick their ass.

It's amazing that this story just keeps popping up over and over. People also said this about Intel (nope, 10nm was a total wash and during that time AMD and ARM started eating their lunch) and Google (no, there is no secret Google lab with the "good AI", it's just Bard and it sucks compared to GPT-4).

Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by abraae on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @07:09PM (#35809059)
I would love to know why Google appear so behind GPT-4.

The vibe is that they are not releasing stuff until it's trustworthy.

My initial playing with ChatGPT is that it's amazing. Would I trust it to recommend medication? Likely not. Is it useful? Hell yeah.

Google should be taking a good hard look at how they have missed this boat, it could help them flush out their internal arteries.

Re:IBM to pause hiring in plan to replace 7,800 jobs with AI... by gregvab on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @03:35AM (#35799252)
Worked at IBM back in 2010. It was the second most valuable company in the world at that time. I left and now the rank has slipped to 86. Sorry.