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Google: 15 years of punishment for being a loyal Dasher/ Google Apps/GSuite/Google Workspace user.
Agree, very frustrating.
Not that Google’s account switcher has ever been particularly good.
[0] Not just the console. AWS organizations are sort of okay, but you still need to give every account an email address. Seriously, Amazon? I bet you could invent a new subtype of account called, say, “project”, where a project has a name, does not have an email address, does not have a root non-IAM user, and is only accessed via IAM roles. And I bet you could, with more effort, teach the console to accept a URL prefix that encodes the name of an account and a role and gives a console view with that role assumed without globally assuming that role. And then I could administer a VPC according to current best practices, from the console, without cursing at multi-account containers and needing to correctly type the account and role every time I want to do anything.
Also, yeah, AWS' account situation is bonkers. Even with organizations, if you have an account open in one tab and open another account in another, you get logged out of the first. Bonkers.
Also better to have no browser extensions installed when doing anything sensitive.
Bad experience Google.
What gives.
There could be a hundred reasons why they released it like this. ChatGPT was also not available world wide when it launched.
But you're on a website with founders and tech workers. Part of what we do here is talk about why things work, why they don't, and ways to improve. There's nothing wrong with criticizing our industry or pointing out when one of the big companies regularly shoots itself in the foot.
Actually, in some cases, there is: exposing your endpoints to nefarious actors from countries where there is no jurisdiction, functioning tech laws, etcetera. It is better & safer to launch small with a somewhat "trusted crowd" first. You live in a dream world or have not launched anything really on your own before. It is wrong & dangerous to follow your advice or criticism because you don't know what you don't know.
if you sell something, then sure goods might have laws. but just text ? lol
This isn't "just text"
And on top of that, there are plenty of novel things that may or may not be illegal. If it can be tricked into making a pro-Nazi statement, is it violating German law? What if it offers medical or legal advice without a license?
It's a pretty big legal minefield, and different jurisdictions have different laws and standards, so it makes sense to limit your exposure.
This attitude is what is leading to the regulation and probable over regulation due to backlash of ‘big tech’.
Those days are over.
Just like any other sector doesn’t get to ignore laws.
Unregulated US social media hit our democracies like a hurricane.
The body politik doesn’t seem to be of a mind to let them do the same with AI.
If that's the problem then they're not supplying the right fix. Surely restricting this to users located in the US doesn't prevent people from writing in a language that isn't English. Google should be capable of detecting the language of a query, and potentially rejecting it based on that with an apology.
> PR,
Obviously there must be _some_ reason why they're doing this. Doesn't mean it's a good reason.
> scaling, not enough capacity for the new users.
That would be rather embarrassing for Google.
Why? They have no idea how many users they will get. If they buy A100s on the assumption they will get 50M daily active users they run the risk of wasting an enormous amount of money if they get 1M users instead. And its not like these GPUs grow on trees. Clearly MSFT is struggling to set up compute fast enough, see the decreasing rate limits on GPT-4.
> Clearly MSFT is struggling to set up compute fast enough, see the decreasing rate limits on GPT-4.
Well, even so, this is how you'd deal with capacity problems, rather than by arbitrarily shutting out parts of the world.
In order to not geo-block, Google would need to be able to scale infinitely? What kind of straw man is this?
> there was a shortage of memory chips, which required a lot of creativity.
Geo-blocking doesn't strike me as particularly creative as far as solutions go. Whatever problem they're trying to address, the excuses being made here seem weak and don't make Google look any less incompetent.
Not sure about incompetence, it's just a very hard problem. Sam Altman's estimations for ChatGPT were off by 10x, for reference. Apparently some employees thought it would be a total flop that would barely make the last page of major newspapers.
> You're also saying Google, _a cloud computing provider selling access to A100s_, can't scale this dynamically?
I'm saying that Google can not acquire enormous quantities of A100s overnight, yes.
We don't want that. Every time Google launches something it takes months for it to understand that just because I'm currently located in country X does not mean I want localization or personalization for that country. Just release the service for those that can use it without the localization. After all we know that the vast majority of the models are trained on English, it's useless to give me a subpar undertrained model on local language.
And not to mention Pixel devices, which you can't even order.
After getting access: You do need to have a US/UK IP to use it but they don't seem to use any VPN detection heuristics - which would be trivial for them since I'm signed in to them using multiple private/work accounts on multiple machines without VPN.
Google tries hard to make consumers hate them.
Meanwhile ChatGPT is used everywhere in France, and it's now synonymous with AI for most people in Europe.
Game over.
But GPT is just miles away better than everything else, and it keeps getting better at a scary rate, especially because the feedback loop from so many users is making it better.
- heavy administration
- schools have a strong emphasis on essays
- getting a job often implies writing a cover letter
And since French is not easy, so many people find it to be a barrier to entry.
While I love GPT for quickly giving me code snippets of things I would take minutes to come up with, my friends have this problem for the regular day-to-day language.
I never noticed it before, because it's so natural to write to me, that I never have to think to hard to express anything. And because I've been a freelance for so long, doing formal writing is fluid. I know all the canned phrases by heart. The polite words to end the message.
But I came to realize: they don't.
As soon as I showed them chatgpt, their eyes light up. The killer feature for them was not the ability to answer complicated questions or save on search, nor was it the possibility of getting a summary. It was producing boring letter-like messages, with no typo.
It's just that 99% of US big tech companies are very anti-consumer and have gotten away with it in the US in the past. But that also seems to be changing over time.
When Clubhouse finally opened up to a wider audience of people who weren't being incentivized to use it, new users churned out almost immediately because it wasn't actually very cool at all.
Basically, the story of Clubhouse was the story of Google Glass.
You're talking about maybe ~1% of search that Bing Chat is practically available to (in Europe).
It's a lot less risky for Microsoft to do what they did than for Google to just open the floodgates in Europe.
If Google does something on Chrome OS - the EU isn't going to scrutinize it the same way if MS does something on Windows.
Same, but opposite for Bing vs Google Search.
Better than have the whole product fail because competitors won the market with a global launch.
That's just how it works. That stuff takes months, so do you prefer to withhold it from the US until that's all completed? In a competitive environment that moves quickly, that's not an option.
While Google was caught flat-footed and has had to rush this in response.
I'm basing this just on what I've read, of course.
And if that's the case, I don't think my explanation is invalidated at all, nor "trivially".
I'm referring to ChatGPT and Bing integration, which is very recent. That was a big surprise to everyone AFAIK.
"We’re finding ways to bring it into Azure and our mainstream products" "And in the same way that you type a question into a search engine and then get to decide which result to click on, GPT-3 returns multiple suggestions for Power Fx formulas."
They've been telegraphing this in the open for about 2 years
Not a general vague sense of AI investment. You can't do legal review on a generalized "direction", no matter how telegraphed you think it is.
Which lawyer you get seems to be a sort of dice roll that perhaps one could understand if one were a lawyer.
I find it funny when massive corporations say they can’t legally figure stuff out and the other massive corporations do it.
It must feel back to be the lawyer who can’t work this stuff out when other lawyers can. Perhaps similar to when I think some programming is impossible and then see it done in the wild in production.
That just shows how far ahead Microsoft is on that one.
It didn't know the difference between a month and a week, and when I asked it a coding question, it said "I'm just a language model, so I can't help you with that.".
Lol, lmao even.
- Google+
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't ChatGPT and Bing Chat already worldwide releases? So it's not as though anyone is sweeping in after Bard. They were out before Bard and global from Day 1.
Besides that, you're absolutely right, of course.
Sigh. Google never learns.
By the time they add support for using this in my country, there's no reason for me to use it anymore as competitors have already swept in.
It's the same playbook with every US-only launch: 1. get everybody hyped up 2. make it accessible to only a minor subset of people but advertise it as a "launch" or "open beta" or whatever 3. tell the rest of the world that "lol, by "avialable" we mean US-only" or "Open means "open for people with US IP addresses only"" etc. 4. Wait till competitors have launched global-from-the-start alternatives 5. Open up the service globally 6. ... 7. Shut down the service because there's no uptake (surprised_pikachu.jpg)
Rinse and repeat.
Self inflicted wounds and all that..