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Re:Google Bard enters open beta by onlyrealcuzzo on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @12:31PM (#35248561)
Not trying to be rude, but when you're a company the size of Google - that's had MASSIVE lawsuits - you can't just willy-nilly release products globally.
Re:Google Bard enters open beta by t0mas88 on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @12:41PM (#35248743)
You mean like a company the size of Microsoft? Bing chat was earlier and global.
Re:Google Bard enters open beta by onlyrealcuzzo on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @02:05PM (#35250012)
Bing is 3.5% of market share in Europe, and Edge is even less.

You're talking about maybe ~1% of search that Bing Chat is practically available to (in Europe).

It's a lot less risky for Microsoft to do what they did than for Google to just open the floodgates in Europe.

Re:Google Bard enters open beta by delecti on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @02:58PM (#35250853)
Both companies are big enough that the laws in Europe are the same whether there are a hundred or hundred million local users.
Re:Google Bard enters open beta by onlyrealcuzzo on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @03:28PM (#35251286)
No.

If Google does something on Chrome OS - the EU isn't going to scrutinize it the same way if MS does something on Windows.

Same, but opposite for Bing vs Google Search.

Re:Google Bard enters open beta by nightski on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @06:14PM (#35253400)
I know Google just discovered this AI thing like a few days ago and haven't had the chance to get a product through legal. It's ok, they can take another decade. No biggie.
Re:Google Bard enters open beta by xdavidliu on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @02:05PM (#35250013)
MS only dared to put it in Bing after OpenAI's dogfood succeeded. If it had started spouting troublesome stuff, MS wouldn't have touched ChatGPT.
Re:Google Bard enters open beta by afro88 on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @02:31PM (#35250414)
What's that got to do with the price of avocados in San Jose?
Re:Google Bard enters open beta by whoisjuan on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @12:59PM (#35249041)
This is the kind of bureaucratic thinking that is resulting in Google being incapable of innovation.
Re:Google Bard enters open beta by londons_explore on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @01:16PM (#35249289)
Just take the legal risk and launch globally. Yes, some country might have some obscure law about AI chatbots imitating veterans during Ramadan... And if that's the case, then just pay the fine, patch the software, and move on.

Better than have the whole product fail because competitors won the market with a global launch.

Re:Google Bard enters open beta by djbusby on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @02:08PM (#35250063)
Yea! Better to ask forgiveness than permission. (/s)
Re:Google Bard enters open beta by crazygringo on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @01:36PM (#35249590)
Exactly. You have to go through legal review in every country, is this breaking an accessibility law in Australia or a copyright law in Argentina or a localization law in Canada or an antitrust law in the EU?

That's just how it works. That stuff takes months, so do you prefer to withhold it from the US until that's all completed? In a competitive environment that moves quickly, that's not an option.

Re:Google Bard enters open beta by wahnfrieden on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @01:56PM (#35249862)
"That's just how it works" is trivially invalidated by looking at how it works beyond the walls of this particular corp, eg Bing. So all you're saying is that however the powers that be behave is how they ought to behave
Re:Google Bard enters open beta by crazygringo on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @02:02PM (#35249960)
I think this is something Bing had been planning for months, so they had time to do all this review in advance?

While Google was caught flat-footed and has had to rush this in response.

I'm basing this just on what I've read, of course.

And if that's the case, I don't think my explanation is invalidated at all, nor "trivially".

Re:Google Bard enters open beta by wahnfrieden on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @02:12PM (#35250128)
MS announced and shipped OpenAI / GPT based tech for years now
Re:Google Bard enters open beta by crazygringo on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @02:18PM (#35250212)
I don't know what product you are referring to that MS has shipped for years.

I'm referring to ChatGPT and Bing integration, which is very recent. That was a big surprise to everyone AFAIK.

Re:Google Bard enters open beta by wahnfrieden on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @02:38PM (#35250527)
https://news.microsoft.com/source/features/ai/from-conversat...

"We’re finding ways to bring it into Azure and our mainstream products" "And in the same way that you type a question into a search engine and then get to decide which result to click on, GPT-3 returns multiple suggestions for Power Fx formulas."

They've been telegraphing this in the open for about 2 years

Re:Google Bard enters open beta by crazygringo on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @03:15PM (#35251079)
And I'm talking about this very specific new product needing legal review which takes time.

Not a general vague sense of AI investment. You can't do legal review on a generalized "direction", no matter how telegraphed you think it is.

Re:Google Bard enters open beta by lordnacho on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @03:53PM (#35251619)
Over the years I've come to the conclusion that the lawyers are very confident in their legal opinions, but they are still just opinions that other lawyers are confident are the other way. My guess is some lawyer at firm A will say "oh we can't just do that, I'm sure we can't" while another lawyer in firm B presented with the same initiative will go "yeah we can totally do that, no problem at all, I'm sure we can".

Which lawyer you get seems to be a sort of dice roll that perhaps one could understand if one were a lawyer.

Re:Google Bard enters open beta by greycol on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @04:40PM (#35252201)
As the saying goes "Good lawyers tell you why you shouldn't do something, great lawyers tell you how you can."
Re:Google Bard enters open beta by prepend on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @01:41PM (#35249659)
Is chatgpt available globally? Is bing available globally?

I find it funny when massive corporations say they can’t legally figure stuff out and the other massive corporations do it.

It must feel back to be the lawyer who can’t work this stuff out when other lawyers can. Perhaps similar to when I think some programming is impossible and then see it done in the wild in production.

Re:Google Bard enters open beta by truthsayer123 on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @02:03PM (#35249982)
Does launching it globally break laws of Physics?
Re:Google Bard enters open beta by onlyrealcuzzo on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @02:06PM (#35250044)
No - but you don't need physics for legal liabilities...
Re:Google Bard enters open beta by dagurp on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @02:56PM (#35250819)
Hasn't stopped Tesla and their products can kill people