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Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by dragontamer on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @03:27PM (#34418408)
> with seeming negligible external-facing impact on the core product.

Twitter is said to have lost $2.5 Billion/year in advertiser money, largely because Twitter's sales teams have not been returning emails from worried Advertisers. That's a pretty huge impact on Twitter's #1 revenue stream (estimated to be $5 Billion in 2021).

Twitter's core product is advertisements. Without sales staff to keep the advertisers, they're clearly losing a ton of money.

Advertising was always degenerating. I know that over the past year, I've been seeing more and more pornographic material in Twitter, and I'm pretty sure advertisers don't like that kind of stuff. But instead of having teams working out those kinks (pun intended), those teams have been simply fired.

So advertisers know that there's no hope for these issues to be fixed anymore, and are now leaving the platform. There's simply not enough developers left to change Twitter or combat the rise of unsavory material.

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There's been many a blogpost about "Airline advertiser didn't want to have its ads appear next to Airline disasters". (Ex: Southwest's shutdowns cause thousands of flight cancellations, it will be talked about on Twitter... does Southwest want its advertisements being shown next to that??).

These are the kinds of things that Twitter's teams worked to prevent. You know, mundane issues but require _constant_ coding to identify as news events cause a rapid change to the online discussion. And its fair: there's no reason why Southwest's advertisements should be shown in a negative light... or for Southwest to be paying for that kind of negative publicity.

Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by colechristensen on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @03:38PM (#34418603)
> So advertisers know that there's no hope for these issues to be fixed anymore, and are now leaving the platform.

Having worked in adtech for a while the more likely scenario is that lots of companies have turned off their ad spend. That isn’t “leaving”, ad spend is volatile coming and going with many motivations is not uncommon. Pausing your campaigns because the ad publisher is a bit broken isn’t permanent.

And whatever is “said” isn’t to be trusted, you won’t get real numbers from a private company and rumors. No doubt there was a big dip around the takeover, but the only thing I’ve heard is a few people complaining about the increased number of ads.

Probably some advertiser tools were broken and the people who’d been talking to those advertisers had been fired, but those are all temporary. Advertisers aren’t going to take some great moral stand unless there’s a clear reason that can be traced back to customers, disliking elon isn’t one of those things.

Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by pavlov on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @03:55PM (#34418934)
> “Probably some advertiser tools were broken and the people who’d been talking to those advertisers had been fired, but those are all temporary.”

How is that temporary if — as it appears — the new management has fired the engineering teams which developed the ad tools, and also has no intentions of hiring more people to replace those ad sales teams?

Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by colechristensen on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @04:07PM (#34419141)
Is it not obvious?

Are you suggesting that Twitter is not going to have developers work on ad tools any longer? Are you suggesting that sales and customer relations for advertisers are just no longer going to be jobs that anyone does and Twitter is going to just hope and pray they get ad money?

Yes lots of reorganization happens, lots of jobs were lost, but, duh, the work is still going to be done, even if there is a re-org gap.

Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by pavlov on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @04:43PM (#34419736)
And when do you think that’s going to happen? The new owner seems fundamentally uninterested in selling ads or hiring anyone who knows how that world works. Instead he’s hoping to turn it into a subscription service that also gets a cut of user-to-user payments made on the platform.
Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by marcosdumay on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @05:36PM (#34420475)
> Are you suggesting that Twitter is not going to have developers work on ad tools any longer?

Hum... I'm not the GP, but pretty much that. Yes.

If they have been broken by weeks, the team working on it was fired, no replacement has been brought yet, and it's the one big interface with the people paying money to the company, then it's a good bet that management either doesn't care about money or can't fix the problem.

Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by adam_arthur on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @03:32PM (#34418509)
Interesting that Twitter is shipping features faster than ever after 80% layoffs.

Don't think Twitter's revenue issues have anything to do with sales staff. Advertising channels/campaigns can and should be 100% automated.

Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by dragontamer on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @03:33PM (#34418517)
But not the features that retain advertisers. Which were the silent issues that no one talked about before.

And indeed, advertisers aren't talking about it now. They're just leaving the platform in droves. There's no one _to_ talk about it with. Entire teams (including high ranking executives) that kept relationships with advertisers have been fired.

Twitter doesn't even have anyone answering / categorizing the complaints anymore.

> Don't think Twitter's revenue issues have anything to do with sales staff. Advertising channels/campaigns can and should be 100% automated.

You can't automate news. News is constantly changing. Advertisers _constantly_ are complaining about "X is being shown next to Y news event. Please stop that", and its impossible to predict X, or Y.

Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by adam_arthur on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @03:36PM (#34418566)
Advertisers dropped spending because they don't like Elon/his behavior. Not because sales staff were laid off. It's quite obvious to anybody looking at the situation objectively.

Twitter has functioned fine after massive layoffs, and feature velocity has only accelerated. Too many developers have an inflated sense of self importance

Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by dragontamer on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @03:38PM (#34418597)
> Not because sales staff were laid off.

There's plenty of advertisers who have blogged about "My emails to Twitter stopped getting answered" around the time of the 75% layoffs. This is well documented.

What do you want the advertisers to do? To just keep giving money to Twitter even when all their contacts have disappeared? There's some pretty basic behaviors that have nothing to do with politics here that Twitter is failing at.

Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by adam_arthur on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @03:50PM (#34418835)
If I were an advertiser (and I have in the past), I would look at the metrics of engagement for my ads to assess their efficacy, not talk to a representative. Either you're happy with the revenue lift or you're not.

To say that ad sales has to be a manual, high touch channel is simply wrong. Perhaps you have staff on hand for large accounts, but why would e-commerce drop shipping headphone company #7 need to talk to a human?

Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by dragontamer on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @03:51PM (#34418859)
I'm talking about the $100+ Million advertisers, not small ones like you.

Disney is most interested in making sure that Mickey Mouse / Winnie the Pooh / Zootopia is not accidentally shown next to furry porn. Southwest doesn't want its ads shown next to airplane disasters. Kellogs doesn't want "Itsssss GREAT" being shown next to the Ukrainian War.

As I said before: you can't predict the "X is being shown next to Y, please stop that" problem. Its impossible to predict X, its impossible to predict Y. You just gotta have email lines with these big companies and promptly issue your programmers / machine learning / data scientists the new algorithms to keep advertisers happy.

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Twitter is 100% the grounds where furry porn, Airplane Disasters, and Ukrainian War disasters are constantly being discussed and shared. Advertisers want protection of their brand, despite the online discourse.

Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by luckylion on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @04:57PM (#34419953)
Twitter didn't have a keyword list to exclude after being in the business for like 20 years? They needed ad buyers to manually contact them and then needed someone to add that with a developer?
Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by dragontamer on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @05:05PM (#34420063)
IIRC, those tools were in an incomplete state before the takeover... but at least they were somewhat working and Twitter's executives were prompt in responding to any issues. But the APIs have been degenerating rapidly after the takeover.

When the tools aren't working as expected, the advertisers then emailed Twitter's API teams. All of those teams have been dismantled, the executives have been fired. With no one left to contact, the advertisers have begun to leave.

Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by luckylion on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @06:59PM (#34421311)
That's wild. Why is ad buying such a mess? Google's setup felt extremely outdated last I had to work with it. Is it just largely ignored because it's assumed that most buyers will work with some agency / platform that will integrate with the API and provide a better UI?
Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by TigeriusKirk on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @05:32PM (#34420421)
Southwest and Disney continue to advertise on Twitter, so I assume they're satisfied with the tools in place.
Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @03:39PM (#34418633)
> Twitter has functioned fine after massive layoffs, and feature velocity has only accelerated

Feature velocity for users. Not customers. Also, the deprecation of APIs strongly intimates Twitter Blue was a failure.

Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by sleepybrett on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @05:07PM (#34420096)
> Also, the deprecation of APIs

... and has driven away, or may drive away, many of the core content providers for their network effects. People who buy a third party client for twitter are generally not casual users. I reached out to a few friends I would consider 'posters' a couple of journos, a couple of 'personal brand' advertiser types... all of their twitter engagement is way down .. from both sides of the conversation. Two of them are now in a 'mostly I just post now' mode. Having conversations has become to hard. The other two are struggling along but they've had to cut way back, one said 'It was like I was building a house with a nailgun, but it got taken away and someone handed me a rock.'

It took me two days without tweetbot to realize it was was one of the only things that kept me actually using twitter. Finally causing me to mothball my account and throw up a personal mastodon install and start re-finding my personal follows there (I'm at about 50% of my list, but i'm finding that mostly what I'm missing is retweets from a few degrees out). My feed's incoming posts per hour are certainly down from twitter by about 60% but I was honestly expecting much lower numbers.

Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @05:34PM (#34420454)
Why isn’t there a Tweetbot for Mastodon?

Onboarding is a PITA. With Twitter ceding the ground, this could be a real differentiator. Hell, you could build a licensing component paid to the servers.

Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by sleepybrett on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @06:30PM (#34421033)
There is, it's just in beta. It's called Ivory: https://tapbots.com/ivory/

It won't help you, currently or maybe ever, pick a server, but it's a great client even in it's beta form.

Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by morelisp on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @03:45PM (#34418732)
> Advertisers dropped spending because they don't like Elon/his behavior.

I mean, yeah? If someone fired all my contacts at a company and didn’t return my emails as my revenue dropped as a result of their changes I would also stop paying them?

Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by adam_arthur on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @03:48PM (#34418791)
Thanks for confirming
Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by ReflectedImage on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @04:08PM (#34419153)
Twitter has lost 75% of it's employees, 50% of it's revenue and gained 25% more debt.

It's gone from a break even company to financial ruination.

Twitter is shutting down data centers and offices. Elon Musk has single handedly collapsed the company.

Twitter will shortly be either bankrupt or personally funded by Elon Musk's bank balance by the end of the year.

Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by adam_arthur on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @04:15PM (#34419288)
He overpaid massively for the company, yes. That was a critical mistake and why its now encumbered with debt.
Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by sleepybrett on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @05:11PM (#34420151)
It seems like playing chicken with "Don't make me pay this hugely overinflated price I promised or I'll crash the company." as your strategy maybe wasn't such a smart idea. Now he's out the money and has literally nothing to show for it. Meanwhile his other ego stock, which he somehow had manipulated into a wild overvaluation, is now crashing because everyone can plainly see that he's just kinda a dumb motherfucker.
Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by ghaff on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @04:45PM (#34419785)
And Twitter needs advertisers more than advertisers need Twitter. Maybe there are exceptions but I can't imagine Twitter is this uniquely wonderful channel for the vast bulk of advertisers.
Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by robertlagrant on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @03:49PM (#34418816)
> Advertisers _constantly_ are complaining about "X is being shown next to Y news event. Please stop that", and its impossible to predict X, or Y.

It would be interesting to have a UI that lets them say that they don't want to be next to X, or they do want to be next to Y, and they pay different prices to appear next to more/less popular things.

Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by morelisp on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @04:09PM (#34419170)
This is table stakes for ad platforms. You still also need to be reactive to new events.
Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by robertlagrant on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @04:10AM (#34424831)
Why not use the same tools?
Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by morelisp on Friday January 20, 2023 @12:32PM (#34456538)
Internally they probably are, it's just a question of whether the advertiser or agency or platform is pushing the buttons. For obvious reasons the platform owner can usually push them fastest, and can earn more money for doing so, so why shouldn't they do it?
Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by objclxt on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @03:36PM (#34418570)
> Interesting that Twitter is shipping features faster than ever after 80% layoffs.

I don't know if deliberately breaking their developer API for third party clients counts as "shipping features faster than ever".

Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by astrange on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @03:41PM (#34418667)
They also put back the "for you" tab to force people into algorithmic timelines, which they already tried once and pulled back since everyone hated it.
Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by adam_arthur on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @03:44PM (#34418708)
They obviously did that because the API is not benefiting them at all from a revenue perspective. If it were, they wouldn't have gotten rid of it.

Twitter was run as a charity prior to the acquisition. Just as many VC fat tech companies were

Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by pwinnski on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @03:55PM (#34418920)
This is "obviously" based on... no communication whatsoever from the company yet.

Another comment of yours says "quite obvious" about advertising, which doesn't seem to be an industry segment in which you work.

It seems your observations are right in line with Twitter's new owner, to whom everything that's happened over the last few months has also been "obvious," and mostly wrong.

Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by adam_arthur on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @04:00PM (#34419027)
Yes, Elon who made Tesla and SpaceX some of the largest companies in the world in just a few years, and likely many more over the next two decades is a totally incompetent buffoon.

I’d rather take his side than the small minded and intellectually weak detractors.

Just because things tend to be a certain way, doesn’t make it optimal or right. Evidence, all of history where bad practices were pervasive and common and later usurped by better practices.

Maybe use forethought and critical thinking rather than credentialism and groupthink

Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by anotherman554 on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @04:14PM (#34419264)
If Elon is mismanaging Twitter your post would be a good example of the cognitive bias called the Halo effect:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_effect

Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by adam_arthur on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @04:28PM (#34419497)
To say that somebody’s success at tasks that are highly correlated with a separate task is irrelevant is simply wrong.

And people who tend to succeed at most things they do, tend to do so for a reason. It’s effectively statistically impossible for it to be sheer coincidence/luck.

Or should I just pick random “logical fallacy” links to put in my replies instead?

Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by anotherman554 on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @05:41PM (#34420544)
If a baseball teams wins their first four games and you see them in the seventh inning behind by 30 points in game 5, is the relevant correlation how the team did in games 1 to 4 or is the relevant correlation how a team who is that far behind a particular game tends to do?

I simply noted you appear incapable of perceiving Elon as making bad decisions, which is kind of funny, since he seemed to think agreeing to buy Twitter was a bad decision, and was in the process of losing a court case about it before he saw the writing on the wall and closed the agreement.

If he actually is making bad decisions, I think the halo effect is at play.

Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by cmorgan31 on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @04:23PM (#34419411)
You just used an appeal to Elons other companies while telling others to not use credentialism?
Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by adam_arthur on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @04:32PM (#34419555)
Actions that drives results aren’t credentials, they’re evidence.

Saying you have a degree in this or that, or title X/Y without having any results to show for it is credentialism. Unfortunately far too pervasive in our industry.

Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by cmorgan31 on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @04:45PM (#34419778)
Ah you don’t value the outputs the same so you want to allow appeals to authority as long as it’s shown profitable outcomes. I’m on the same page now.
Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by adam_arthur on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @04:59PM (#34419976)
Yes, somebody building multiple of the world’s largest companies is a much higher hurdle than getting a degree or mid level manager job title.

By your logic we can’t consider any accomplishments from somebody’s past as a reliable indicator of their future results.

Which is obviously not true. “Credentialism” is giving far too much weight to low barrier to entry and easy to accomplish titles.

Ignoring past results, the fact that Twitter is functioning fine after 80% layoffs has already validated the decision to downsize. No need to look to the past.

Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by csilverman on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @04:22PM (#34419397)
The level of nastiness in your comments here makes it very hard to take you seriously as an "objective" observer. Considering that you're using your HN profile to attract clients—"Hire me for your development needs!"—you might want to tone that down. I wouldn't want to work with anyone who thought it was appropriate to behave that way.

(And I'll say your rosy impression of Twitter seems a little strange for a supposedly objective observer, given the recent outages/pervasive legal problems/chaotic feature rollouts/various fits and reversals/overall dysfunction that has characterized that company since it was acquired by Elon Musk.)

Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by adam_arthur on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @04:35PM (#34419619)
Nothing nasty about my comment, its a factual response to the parent comment.

Fortunately I couldn’t care less if somebody decides not to work with me because they disagree with my opinions. People who care about results will get ahead, those that don’t won’t

Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by pwinnski on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @11:32AM (#34428897)
> ... small minded and intellectually weak detractors. ... Maybe use forethought and critical thinking ...

> Nothing nasty about my comment, its a factual response to the parent comment.

I called out your use of the word "obviously" without factual basis, and you responded with insults.

Insults and praise for the CEO of Twitter, which is irrelevant, since he still has not made any statement whatsoever on the subject, which was entirely the point of my initial comment.

Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by ReflectedImage on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @04:48PM (#34419825)
"Elon who made Tesla and SpaceX some of the largest companies in the world in just a few years,"

What in earth are you talking about? He brought his way into those companies. I think you are confusing Elon Musk the fictional PR character who exists only in paid press releases with Elon Musk.

Elon Musk's success was being the CEO of a slimy payment processor.

Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by sleepybrett on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @05:13PM (#34420185)
your forgot '... until he was shown the door.' on that last sentence.
Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by pwinnski on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @07:00PM (#34421319)
I didn't say he was an incompetent buffoon, you did. I think it's more true than not, but those are your words, not mine. I said only that he was frequently certain while being wrong.

When he makes a pronouncement and then reverses that pronouncement, one or the other was incontrovertibly wrong. Whether he was wrong first and right later, or right first and wrong later, the list of reversals at twitter is a long one, starting before he bought the company.

He tendered an offer that skipped due diligence, then attempted to avoid doing what he'd agree to do, invoking the due diligence he'd explicitly skipped in the process. Then they day before he would have to open up his financial records in court, he reversed his reversal and closed the deal. Since then he's stated multiple times he regrets buying twitter.

However many times you count him being certain-but-wrong in that story, it's more than zero, despite the financial success of his unrelated companies, and despite your unwarranted personal insults.

Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by dvt on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @04:05PM (#34419096)
> They obviously did that because the API is not benefiting them at all from a revenue perspective. If it were, they wouldn't have gotten rid of it.

Everyone hates on Dorsey because he essentially turned Twitter into a walled garden (killed third-party clients + RSS support), but really, how else are you supposed to make a startup that got millions in funding profitable? Just by giving your stuff away?

Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by KerrAvon on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @04:45PM (#34419784)
Nobody begrudges Twitter the right to (the opportunity to) make money. It's not clear why they decided not to work with the clients. They could have put ads into the API feeds and required that clients not filter them out, or some such thing.

And it's fine that they didn't. It's even fine that they shut down the API. But the lack of communication is ridiculous. Just tell people what the fuck is happening. They don't have to like it, but complete ghosting is the way you burn bridges completely down.

Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by patrickmay on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @04:46PM (#34419795)
Charge for API access. Learn what features users want from the third party tools. Implement those. Profit.
Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by ReflectedImage on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @04:00PM (#34419019)
The API benefitted power users primarily who are responsible for keeping their large number of followers on Twitter.
Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by adam_arthur on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @04:16PM (#34419300)
Let’s see where those power users go, shall we?
Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by pessimizer on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @04:56PM (#34419937)
Not willingly:

Twitter to Devs: Don't Make Twitter Clients... Or Else [2011]

https://mashable.com/archive/twitter-api-clients

Twitter's API Update Cuts Off Oxygen to Third-Party Clients [2012]

https://mashable.com/archive/twitter-api-big-changes

(how could Elon do this!?)

Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by sleepybrett on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @05:15PM (#34420207)
But amazingly third party clients still thrived even after those API nerfs for over 10 years.

I mean it's within his right to do it, and I can even see the arguments. However, to do it without even a press release let alone notice. Without even answering support tickets from those third party clients. Just an utter failure of management.

Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by HeyLaughingBoy on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @03:40PM (#34418653)
> Interesting that Twitter is shipping features faster than ever after 80% layoffs

Desperation from the remaining devs? I mean, I can crank out crap as fast as anyone wants me to if it doesn't have to work right.

Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by bg24 on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @03:48PM (#34418801)
Another approach to look at this:

- They are experimenting more aggressively. - Depends on what features you build and time that it take to build those. - How much can you afford to delay the tech debt.

When the CEO is focused on rolling out features faster, everyone rallies behind. Does it mean the company is operating great. End of 2023 will be a good indicator.

Also note that recent tooling around LLMs (eg. ChatGPT) will improve aggregate efficiency.

Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by zitterbewegung on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @03:36PM (#34418573)
I guess features go out the door faster when after firing the janitorial staff makes the office smell and people that work there have to bring in toilet paper.
Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by jwilber on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @03:37PM (#34418587)
Twitter has been objectively worse since the layoffs. I get tons of sex-bot accounts liking my posts that never existed before, the app constantly refreshes itself, there’s a few second loading message every time I view my timeline that didn’t exist beforehand, and my timeline is much worse than before (instead of seeing mostly tech stuff in the area of my interest, 60% has become fluff akin to my instagram story rec’s).
Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by artificialLimbs on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @03:50PM (#34418841)
Opposite experience here. I've had almost 0 porn spammers as opposed to at least weekly before.
Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by kfarr on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @03:59PM (#34419008)
For me it's the crypto bots. Out of control. Stopped looking at notifications for a while because it was always randos pumping air drops and nfts
Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by pwinnski on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @03:51PM (#34418856)
So far every new feature has been a previously-developed canceled feature. Even Twitter Blue was an existing feature repurposed, and it took two tries to release.
Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by vkou on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @04:08PM (#34419168)
> Interesting that Twitter is shipping features faster than ever after 80% layoffs.

Do we have an independent source that doesn't have a history of dishonesty confirming this? Does it have a creative definition of 'shipping', 'feature', and 'faster'? Are there any long-tail dangers that have, or have the potential to blow up in Twitter's face from it?

My car goes faster and gets better MPG ever since I stripped out the weight of the braking system...

Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by yalogin on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @03:54PM (#34418909)
Advertising revenue fell because of Elon's new "extreme right wing beyond conspiracy theories" stance. It is not because of the sales staff not responding to emails.
Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by bushbaba on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @03:57PM (#34418960)
Doubtful. Especially when large clients of twitter have publicly stated the reason for their reduced ad budget is lack of support and bad, for brand, content next to their ads.
Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by heywhatupboys on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @03:57PM (#34418958)
> Elon's new "extreme right wing beyond conspiracy theories" stance

wow that sounds insane? I wish you would have had a source attached to this (an actual source btw, not some online journalist writing an opinion piece)

Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by KerrAvon on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @04:39PM (#34419687)
Just read his Twitter feed. He has repeatedly retweeted (source: his own Twitter account) not only right-wing memes like QAnon stuff, but antisemitic ones. I will then direct you to Popehat's Rule of Goats should you need it.
Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by cmorgan31 on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @04:08PM (#34419159)
You are asking for the impossible. It would take a fiscal quarter for a source that isn’t an opinion. Perhaps the OP should not include Elon’s insane approach to content moderation as a new stance but simple negligence by the adtech strategy they’ve devised. In either case Elon’s going to need to adjust in some capacity or adopt the chum ad approach to monetize his content.
Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by sleepybrett on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @04:54PM (#34419910)
Look at who elon has banned and who has has chosen to unban or not ban. It's pretty simple math.
Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by merth on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @04:07PM (#34419131)
extreme right wing beyond conspiracy theory: water is wet
Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by rewtraw on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @03:58PM (#34418984)
Anecdotally, over the past few weeks the quality of ads I see on Twitter has deteriorated sharply. I used to primarily get ads from well known brands, but now I'm seeing ads for random products like rat traps.
Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by hgomersall on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @04:13PM (#34419235)
Interesting. How do you see ads on Twitter?
Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by honkler on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @04:03PM (#34419068)
I've been only seeing crypto-shilling and sports betting.
Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by syngrog66 on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @04:08PM (#34419152)
rat traps: me too. the bucket with the trick plate dropping them down?

over the past 2 to 3 weeks the ads shown to me have gotten more and more small fish, bottom of barrel, and wildly unfitting for me. and weird.

its easy to predict the ones I'm seeing are by advertisers bidding much lower $ than the previous average. reasonable to extrapolate and predict Twitter's advertising income has likely crashed. I've heard from enough other people all experiencing the same shift over the same period

Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by ctoth on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @04:02PM (#34419055)
> there's no reason why Southwest's advertisements should be shown in a negative light..

So basically there's been a team suppressing any really bad news about any company who advertises on Twitter? Am I reading that right? And you want them back?

Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by aetherson on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @04:03PM (#34419081)
That's not what your parent said: they said when there's any really bad news about a company who advertises on Twitter, that company doesn't want its ads shown right next to that news.
Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by RheingoldRiver on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @04:06PM (#34419118)
I don't think it's that necessarily; instead, you could pause Southwest advertisements until the next news cycle for example, or look for keywords in tweets and avoid showing SW ads near such tweets (e.g. normally you want a SW ad near tweets with "airport" but for the next 5 days you want the opposite approach)
Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by lukevp on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @04:06PM (#34419119)
No, I don’t think you read that correctly. The thing that’s removed is the advertisement, not the news. Eg if I tweeted “HackerNews sucks”, they would not want to pay to advertise on or near my tweet. They would rather advertise in a more neutral or positive space. Someone else could fill that advertising slot (eg. McDonald’s).
Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by blueelephanttea on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @04:07PM (#34419133)
I mean you are very clearly not reading it right since the commenter's comment had nothing to do with suppressing news and only had to do with where paid advertisements are placed.
Re:Microsoft to lay off 11,000 employees by kradroy on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @04:07PM (#34419138)
You have it the wrong way around. The advertiser will ask for the ads to be suppressed or removed from negative contexts, because that's part of the service they pay for.