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Re:Apple Q4/2022 by retskrad on Thursday October 27, 2022 @04:53PM (#33363889)
Holy moly, the Mac keeps growing like crazy. It’s amusing how Apple wanted the iPad to disrupt the Mac but the advent of M-Series chips on the Mac has really nipped that ambition in the bud.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by samatman on Thursday October 27, 2022 @05:16PM (#33364177)
I remember when I got my first Retina laptop screen, it was nice but I quickly just got used to it.

Then, I found myself using the earlier machine, without the high DPI. That learned me. It was hard to imagine all the work I'd done staring through a screen door at those pixels.

Similarly, I've been using the M1 MPB since I got it. I only remember that it never makes noise when I'm reminded of it, such as in this conversation.

At some point, I'll end up using an Intel laptop of any sort, and I'll hear that whirring noise. It will be jarring, I've grown used to laptops not making sound they way phones and tablets don't.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by yieldcrv on Thursday October 27, 2022 @05:29PM (#33364302)
> Similarly, I've been using the M1 MPB since I got it. I only remember that it never makes noise when I'm reminded of it, such as in this conversation.

I take a lot for granted about my M1 MBP.

And it all becomes noticeable when using anybody else's computer.

The screen, the speed, the battery life, the fan, the heat. Its all so... crippling on other people's machines.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by andsoitis on Thursday October 27, 2022 @09:49PM (#33366546)
That's the same feeling I have when I step outside my Tesla and into just any other car.

It isn't that it is superior in every single way, but it is the balance of features that hits a sweet spot, making other cars feel like they have noticeable bugs.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by BoorishBears on Thursday October 27, 2022 @10:17PM (#33366763)
I had the opposite feeling stepping into a Model 3 every day while my 4 series was shipped across the country.

Things that I thought had been solved decades ago, things like how to make basic switchgear that doesn't feel like it's going to break off in my palm*. How to indicate a turn signal in the center of my field of vision rather than where non-essentials like HVAC normally go. How to let me change HVAC settings without feeling around on a touch screen. How to support Carplay like a base model Corolla. The most basic mitigations for NVH so highway speeds don't sound like a mouse sneaking cheese in a wind tunnel. How to make ACC intuitive rather than a song and dance of checking what color a piece of text is. All suddenly were suddenly lost.

* I guess now we know why the OG Model S needed Mercedes window switches.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by skybrian on Thursday October 27, 2022 @06:03PM (#33364653)
So, basically the Retina display didn't do anything except spoil you for tech that was okay before. That's good for the manufacturer, but this sort of hedonic treadmill seems like something to avoid?
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by hmottestad on Thursday October 27, 2022 @06:14PM (#33364754)
Apple improves some things that users don’t strictly need. Like the speakers on their laptops, I don’t really need them to be as good as they are but it sure is enjoyable.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by samatman on Friday October 28, 2022 @06:31AM (#33369665)
It's not just Apple of course, everyone who can afford it uses high DPI screens now.

Pixels aren't there to be seen, there is literally no display which wouldn't be, ceteris paribus, better at high DPI.

It's like speakers which hiss: easy to ignore until you spend time with ones which don't.

The notion that I care about a clearer picture on the screen I use to make my living, for hedonic reasons, is pretty comical actually. It's straightforward ergonomics which pays off in a lot of ways.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by andsoitis on Thursday October 27, 2022 @09:41PM (#33366485)
Pen and paper used to suffice. I think reducing it to hedonism is lacking nuance.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by highwaylights on Thursday October 27, 2022 @06:30PM (#33364866)
This right here. My work requires me to jump back to a Windows machine occasionally (but not for a good long while), and while I always appreciated the silence of the ARM MacBook Air - it's only in firing the windows box back up that I was hit with just how obnoxiously loud it was.

I've had to rip the dGPU out of the machine and cut the fan thresholds back to virtually nothing just to make the machine tolerable now. A lot of what Apple does is stuff you don't need, but it definitely spoils you.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by fy20 on Thursday October 27, 2022 @09:56PM (#33366591)
Most laptops have the fan speeds set overly aggressive. I bought a Asus Zephyrus last year and by default the fan was coming on and off every few seconds, I tweaked the fan profile and boost policy so now it rarely comes on at all for regular day to day work. CPU temperatures stay under 55C.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by BoorishBears on Thursday October 27, 2022 @10:03PM (#33366666)
And that's how Apple spoils you.

There are M1 machines with fans, but you can rest assured they did the tuning so that you don't end up paying thousands for a machine with poorly thought out fan curves that don't incorporate basic hysteresis.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by goosedragons on Friday October 28, 2022 @05:51AM (#33369485)
No. Apple just has their own poorly thought out fan curves just with different priorities. You can see this really easily on the Intel models where they don't even bother to turn on the fan until it hits something dumb like 90C. Quieter sure but I doubt good for long-term life of the hardware. It also had a negative impact on performance.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by wildrhythms on Friday October 28, 2022 @06:04AM (#33369553)
My M1 handily outperforms my old hot, loud Intel MBP, and the M1 doesn't even get warm to the touch doing the same workloads that would make the MBP turn into a jet engine. It's not just fan curves.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by pwinnski on Thursday October 27, 2022 @07:10PM (#33365268)
Oh man, I'm sitting with an M1 Mac mini and an M1 Pro MacBook Pro on my desk, and until I read your comment, I'd completely forgotten that computers used to make noise!
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by threeseed on Thursday October 27, 2022 @07:34PM (#33365500)
I had to put blocks of ice under my previous MacBook Pro when compiling.

Will never forget that era of the Mac.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by oblio on Thursday October 27, 2022 @08:29PM (#33365960)
> That learned me.

That taught me?

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by grzm on Thursday October 27, 2022 @08:31PM (#33365978)
It's idiomatic slang. Same thing.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by dymk on Thursday October 27, 2022 @10:27PM (#33366834)
You were just learned a new slang
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by oblio on Friday October 28, 2022 @06:46AM (#33369757)
I learned a learning is I was taught a lesson and both those slang words at the start are stupid.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by christophilus on Friday October 28, 2022 @06:29AM (#33369658)
> That taught me?

That larned me?

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by csomar on Thursday October 27, 2022 @09:07PM (#33366240)
I'm using the Intel 12th gen and I don't hear noises even when compiling Rust projects. The only time I hear noises is when some Electron web app burns my CPU for no reason.

I also get 7-8 hours of work (that is compiling code during these hours) and something like 12 hours without compilation work.

I'm using Archlinux with Sway and enable/disable GPU as needed. It's not as perfect as Apple's new M2 but it's close to competition.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by gnicholas on Thursday October 27, 2022 @10:29PM (#33366849)
I thought my M2 MBA was making noise today, but it turned out it was the neighbor's HVAC unit. With my Intel MBP, I wouldn't have been able to even hear the neighbor's HVAC through our closed windows. Life is good!
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by ace2358 on Thursday October 27, 2022 @11:30PM (#33367303)
I got the M2 air recently as a DJ and was really exited for it to have no fam or loving parts. I don’t mind fan noise too much but my old 2010 MBP would constantly increase and decrease the fan speed which was extremely annoying for me.

Anyway, I’m so focussed listening to the lack of fan noise that I sometimes hear a ‘phantom’ fan noise. Like the lack of fan noise doesn’t seem right so my brain makes it up.

I love this m2 Air so much.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by Maursault on Thursday October 27, 2022 @11:44PM (#33367402)
> it turned out it was the neighbor's HVAC unit

The problem is everywhere. The HVAC industry really cheaps-out on rubber grommets.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by rattray on Friday October 28, 2022 @12:04AM (#33367559)
The problem is rubber grommets??
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by askafriend on Friday October 28, 2022 @12:21AM (#33367649)
I suppose you have to cut costs somewhere....
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by Maursault on Friday October 28, 2022 @12:43AM (#33367763)
Outdoor unit makes noise, but noise travels up and out, not over. Problem is vibrations. Screw a metal vibrating thing into a concrete pad, vibrations travel through pad into ground, across the ground, vibrating the foundation, walls, glass, etc. of neighboring home. Rubber grommets between the metal and the concrete pad mitigates vibration. It's actually supposed to be there for all metal feet screwed into pad, but you rarely see it, causing unnecessary low frequency noise pollution, and the vibrations themselves, as far as vibrations go, are bad vibrations.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by reydequeso on Friday October 28, 2022 @01:02AM (#33367858)
How could i diy good grommets for my house safely?
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by bee_rider on Thursday October 27, 2022 @11:16PM (#33367226)
FWIW I've got Linux running on an 11'th gen Intel i5 thin-and-light and the fan only spins up if I do some big number crunching program. And this is with all the extra fat that Ubuntu drags along. I think fan noise is a very specific Window problem, maybe?
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by electriclove on Thursday October 27, 2022 @05:02PM (#33363993)
I bought the M1 MacBook Air when it came out almost 2 years ago. I’m Still amazed at how quickly everything opens and how long the battery lasts.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by joshstrange on Thursday October 27, 2022 @05:33PM (#33364336)
I bought the M1 Max MBP when it came out and the battery still shocks me. 80-90% of the time it's in a dock on my desk but I'll be sitting on the couch and think "Oh, I should probably plug in, I've been running it hard for the last hour or so.... oh.... 70% still, nevermind".
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by Maursault on Thursday October 27, 2022 @11:55PM (#33367498)
While the energy efficiency is vastly improved with Apple Silicon, the battery technology is still Li-ion. If your dock charges, you're killing your battery letting it charge every time it drops below 100% capacity. Apparently, the ideal way to extend Li-ion battery lifetime is to use the battery, never letting it drop below 20% capacity, but never charging it above 80%.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by unsignednoop on Friday October 28, 2022 @01:28AM (#33368017)
Apple already solves this problem! https://imgur.com/a/HglsjJq (hovers around 78% on my personal machine)
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by yisonPylkita on Friday October 28, 2022 @02:46AM (#33368394)
There is a tool that takes care of it for you - https://github.com/davidwernhart/AlDente
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by simonswords82 on Thursday October 27, 2022 @05:13PM (#33364123)
I was using the MacBook Air in 2013 and was impressed with its reliability. Prior to that I'd been on Dell XPS laptops.

The MacBook Air M1 is just another level of solidarity and speed and battery life.

It just works.

So long as Apple continues on their existing pathway I'll forgive them pretty much anything.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by dekhn on Thursday October 27, 2022 @05:19PM (#33364199)
I bought a pair for my kids and they have been absolutely wonderful school computers. I don't even carry a personal laptop any more, and I personally don't like Mac OS X, and I really don't like Apple's RAM pricing, but the hardware design is truly hard to beat.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by breck on Thursday October 27, 2022 @05:08PM (#33364077)
I haven’t bought any M2s yet. Still so giddy about the M1
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by JCharante on Thursday October 27, 2022 @11:56PM (#33367507)
I used 3 different MacBook pros for work and after getting assigned a M1 MBP, the battery life convinced met to get an M2 MBA after it came out. I can never go back to Windows or System76 after this.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by lvl102 on Thursday October 27, 2022 @05:35PM (#33364361)
They’re trying to manage expectations by saying Mac sales in 4Q will be weaker but once they release M2 Mac Mini and M2 Mac Pro, they will sell like hotcakes. It doesn’t hurt that building a PC is now quite a bit more expensive.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by HeckaSmart on Thursday October 27, 2022 @11:58PM (#33367521)
It will be weaker because the M1 14/16 MBPs were eagerly anticipated. A chip refresh isn't going to have the same effect.

I think we'll see a big boost in Mac sales when M3 drops. It'll be on 3nm and should be a much bigger upgrade for M1 owners.

Mac Mini doesn't sell enough to matter much.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by SoftTalker on Thursday October 27, 2022 @04:59PM (#33363959)
It's amazing. I sometimes wonder what value these people see in this stuff. I guess I just "think different" as nothing that Apple offers is compelling to me in the slightest way. Yet one can't deny the reality.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by peyton on Thursday October 27, 2022 @05:07PM (#33364056)
Even Linus Torvalds uses a MacBook now. I just can’t find nicer machines out there.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by dmix on Thursday October 27, 2022 @05:15PM (#33364150)
And considering you probably use your laptop 10x more often than your car spending $2 grand on the best around isn’t really much to ask. Especially if they last long which they tend to, especially do if you get AppleCare.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by dexterdog on Friday October 28, 2022 @12:06AM (#33367577)
AppleCare doesn't make it last longer. It's just an expensive insurance policy with often high deductibles. If you manage a fleet of Macs it's much cheaper to just keep extras on-hand since most AppleCare claims require two shipments to get it fixed and you need something to use during that time.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by dmix on Friday October 28, 2022 @12:34AM (#33367717)
I was talking about startup/personal usage from my own experience. Managing a fleet is a totally different usecase.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by dexterdog on Friday October 28, 2022 @03:38PM (#33376612)
Personal usage it is still an issue. If you have a problem you to send it back in most cases and be without a replacement. The best move is usually to buy a new one, time machine over to it, use it during the repair window, time machine back to your original after the repair and then return the new one. Still unless you are a total basket case with the care of your laptop you are better off saving your money.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by Gigachad on Thursday October 27, 2022 @09:08PM (#33366245)
This fact amused me when I found out. He did part of the work to port fedora to the M series. He also has stated a few times that he can’t stand fan noise. His home office has a threadripper desktop designed to be silent.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by alpaca128 on Thursday October 27, 2022 @09:33PM (#33366437)
The absence of fan noise is definitely noticeable. Going back to a PC with fans feels a bit like going back to CRT screens.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by aliqot on Friday October 28, 2022 @01:00AM (#33367847)
wait, you can run Fedora on m1?
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by Gigachad on Friday October 28, 2022 @02:45AM (#33368390)
It’s a pretty DIY thing but the asahi linux project has got Linux running on the M series chips and I believe Linus put together his own build of fedora using that kernel.

Supposedly it works for him although there are some features still unsupported like 3d graphics

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by aliqot on Friday October 28, 2022 @02:55AM (#33368433)
Asahi is pretty cool, any chance you've tried it on m2? I checked out the feature matrix. As I understand the CPU is doing the work currently and the GPU is unsupported, which leads to quite a bit of battery consumption. Very excited to try it nonetheless.

The m2 is a great piece of kit, I never realized how disruptive heat, vibration, and fan noise was until they were gone. I'm actively trying to put together a fanless desktop similar to the openbsd fanless desktop that is posted here from time to time. https://jcs.org/2021/07/19/desktop

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by fsociety on Thursday October 27, 2022 @05:25PM (#33364264)
I have been researching for a Linux laptop to replace my M1 for a month now - mostly to get back on x86 for projects.

The non-M1 offerings are relatively terrible. You have to make some trade-off of battery life, thermals, display, keyboard, trackpad, ports, and reliability.

Lots of threads with people saying “well no one needs 2K screens at 120Hz, just get 1080p 60Hz”.. meanwhile those laptops cost >$2K.

The Starlabs Starfighter specs were announced, they look tempting but slow display and no TB4 on Ryzen processors.

The Dell XPS used to be a favorite of mine, but they are plagued with quality control issues.

Lenovo thermals are bad this generation, and my experience getting my work Lenovo repaired was terrible. Plus I’ve read about quality control issues.

I’ve decided to just use an x86 instance somewhere for the specific things, but no doubt Apple hit the magic sauce with the M1.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by e12e on Thursday October 27, 2022 @09:45PM (#33366512)
I ended up with an m2 macbook air for work - but I was hoping for a amd laptop with an oled screen like:

https://www.ultrabookreview.com/56563-asus-zenbook-s13-revie...

But despite reviews by spring/summer they never seemed to materialize as actual products available for purchase (note 5xx series, not previous generation 3xx) :/

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by procinct on Thursday October 27, 2022 @05:11PM (#33364110)
For me, having a really fast laptop with a battery that lasts over a day is pretty great value compared to other laptops on the market.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by chrisseaton on Thursday October 27, 2022 @05:04PM (#33364027)
Do you not think M1 is a compelling architecture? I think it’s technically brilliant and it has a positive impact on my life.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by SoftTalker on Thursday October 27, 2022 @05:34PM (#33364352)
I mean, no.

For what I do with a laptop, a Chromebook is fine. And it's what I use.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by chrisseaton on Thursday October 27, 2022 @05:38PM (#33364384)
> For what I do with a laptop

Are you possibly able to understand that other people do other things with their laptops and so see value in the technology?

Like I spend my time compiling things. A fast, low-energy processor is brilliant for me, because it lets me work faster and for longer. Can you not understand how I'd see value in that?

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by SoftTalker on Thursday October 27, 2022 @05:54PM (#33364554)
Of course. But I don't see there being enough of those people to drive that kind of revenue to one company. Apple makes money like a fashion brand because that is what they are. They are very innovative and very good at doing it. I'm not trying to detract from their success. Just amazed that it works and has worked for so long.

But I don't own any Apple technology and can't think of a reason I would buy any.

Yes I do work in tech as a full-stack developer and sysadmin.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by chrisseaton on Thursday October 27, 2022 @05:57PM (#33364593)
I don't think it's the mystery you do - they make money because they make the very best technology, that makes people who work with a wide range of workloads more effective, and so those people are willing to spend money with them.

If Apple is compiling my application 1.5x as fast and lets me work 1.5x as long without recharging, that saves me genuine time in the day, either to do more work, or to work on my hobbies, or to take more time out. That's really valuable to me. That's why I buy it, and why so many other people buy it. The cost is pretty insignificant considering it's where I earn all my money and do 50% or so of my hobbies.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by ac29 on Thursday October 27, 2022 @06:41PM (#33364972)
> If Apple is compiling my application 1.5x as fast

The M1 Max (the highest end chip available in a Mac laptop) is slower than competition from Intel and AMD, though. I'm not sure what its supposed to be 50% faster than, unless you are only comparing it to old Intel Macs.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by chrisseaton on Thursday October 27, 2022 @06:44PM (#33365013)
When it came out, the new MacBook Air had better single-core performance than every Intel Mac that ever existed. Not just the Airs - all of them ... on a lower power budget.

I'm sure you can get even faster single-core by brute-force burning power, but Apple were trying to do something more intelligent by balancing with power.

I think anyone seriously trying to claim they can't see any value in this is clearly just being silly.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by alwillis on Thursday October 27, 2022 @07:44PM (#33365599)
The M1 Max (the highest end chip available in a Mac laptop) is slower than competition from Intel and AMD, though.

Yeah, that’s not true; it doesn’t even make any sense. And certainly not performance per watt.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by KerrAvon on Thursday October 27, 2022 @08:41PM (#33366055)
You have to cherry-pick pretty brutally to make that statement true.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by shubb on Thursday October 27, 2022 @07:18PM (#33365353)
I think he's struggling with the question - why do so many people buy sports cars and SUVs when they drive slowly in a city.

Most people don't use a laptop much at home, preferring to consume media on a phone or smart TV. At work, most people use web applications and microsoft office and not much else.

So why do they need a fancy car? People like fancy cars. They have been buying them for years, and they aren't going to stop.

Now you are driving your jeep off road on your mountain ranch saying some people need an SUV and you are right, but you aren't rebutting what he is saying.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by chrisseaton on Thursday October 27, 2022 @07:24PM (#33365408)
Well they said:

> I sometimes wonder what value these people see in this stuff.

And you answered it yourself with your own example:

> Now you are driving your jeep off road on your mountain ranch saying some people need an SUV and you are right, but you aren't rebutting what he is saying.

That's an example of someone seeing value in it right?

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by selectodude on Thursday October 27, 2022 @08:27PM (#33365947)
I spend many hours per day on a computer and the M1 MacBook Pro just feels nice to use. The little things on it that make it a pleasure. The speakers sound good, the screen is excellent, the keyboard is fantastic, the battery lasts forever. I don't even do big bad compiling jobs or anything. I can afford it and that's why I got it. My iPhone is the same way. I'll spend $100 on a single dinner. Simple as that. And clearly, millions feel the same way. Not everything needs to be some sort of min-maxing exercise.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by christophilus on Friday October 28, 2022 @06:40AM (#33369720)
My dad switched from a Chromebook to an M1 air, and said something like: “It was like going from a Pinto to a Cadillac.”

He’s a very casual user. In part, his positive impression was due to me setting up Ad blockers on his MacBook. But it’s also due to the speed, screen, build quality, and the expectation of longevity.

Also, he can resell the Apple for a pretty good price if he wants to. His Chromebook is practically worthless on the used markets.

He feels like it was money very well spent. Apple’s numbers suggest there are many like him.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by seabriez on Thursday October 27, 2022 @05:27PM (#33364277)
M1 saved my marriage, and before that it saved my life as well. My mom loves M1 more than me.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by soderfoo on Thursday October 27, 2022 @09:51PM (#33366562)
If you don't mind, I'd love if you could share a bit about how it helped your marriage.

Serendipitous solutions enthrall me, and broadens my thinking for when I'm faced with a condondrum.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by ayewo on Friday October 28, 2022 @03:13AM (#33368528)
Text is a terrible medium for conveying the heavy dose of sarcasm in the GP :)

I assume you are also playing along :) ?

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by seabriez on Monday October 31, 2022 @01:23PM (#33409229)
After I bought M1 for my wife, she doesn't even need to be in the same state as me. It's truly a marriage saver.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by gigel82 on Thursday October 27, 2022 @08:37PM (#33366030)
I don't know why developers are so infatuated with laptops (and at this point I'm too afraid to ask? :)).

But seriously, I need a full-sized keyboard, a mouse, and at least 2 monitors to feel productive.

Yes, I realize you can probably hook those up to a laptop with a bunch of adapters and hubs too, but I also use my machines to game, so...

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by bobbylarrybobby on Thursday October 27, 2022 @08:42PM (#33366056)
I would guess it’s because developers are really finicky about the software side of their setup, and a laptop lets them have that wherever they are. With a desktop you need to keep multiple devices in sync, which is not yet quite as seamless as it should be.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by Gigachad on Thursday October 27, 2022 @09:06PM (#33366225)
“A bunch of adapters”. It’s one usb c hub. I have a gaming desktop but it’s not what I’d pick for work. Being portable is important to me.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by alpaca128 on Thursday October 27, 2022 @09:24PM (#33366364)
If I need a mouse and multiple screens I can't feel productive, that usually means the software doesn't have enough support for keyboard shortcuts and window management has too much friction.

> I don't know why developers are so infatuated with laptops

I need a laptop now and then either way, and having two computers means double the cost and more work to keep everything between them in sync. And I switched to a console for gaming, Windows 10 updates pissed me off enough that I'll never touch a Microsoft OS again.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by e12e on Thursday October 27, 2022 @09:38PM (#33366466)
> ... and window management has too much friction.

So, you don't use macos?

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by alpaca128 on Friday October 28, 2022 @12:31PM (#33373674)
I use it with a couple tools like Rectangle which make it usable enough for me. Half the time I'm managing "windows" in Vim and tabs in the browser, and in those the OS doesn't really matter.

The thing that annoys me most is that there's no global shortcut for new terminal windows. It's possible with some weird hacks but never really reliable or fast.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by e12e on Saturday October 29, 2022 @02:46PM (#33386843)
> The thing that annoys me most is that there's no global shortcut for new terminal windows.

Did you look at skhd?

https://github.com/koekeishiya/skhd

I found it through the yabai window manager - but I'm starting to think I might be better off with something less ambitious - as macos apis are restricted and yabai needs a lot of privileges to work with screen/desktops :'(

But skhd is very simple and powerful - it can run commands and also insert text (I rebind some keys for brackets and tilde which are annoying on Mac intl layouts).

Eg:

    # open terminal, blazingly fast compared to iTerm/Hyper
    cmd - return : /Applications/kitty.app/Contents/MacOS/kitty --single-instance -d ~

    alt - k : skhd --text "~"
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by EarthLaunch on Thursday October 27, 2022 @10:48PM (#33366999)
I've switched back and forth over the years. Sometimes 1 laptop, sometimes a desktop and a laptop. It's just easier to only have one computer. Even with cloud, synching, dropbox, etc. Having a single machine is just easier. You can put it to sleep, wake it up, and your own compiled services are still running.

The solution to keyboard / mouse / monitors / webcam / mic / speakers, is a powered USB-C hub. One plug, and you're at a desktop. This wasn't practical on Macs until the M1. With an M1 Air I did tons of work with no slowdowns for two years. It slowed down once or twice so now I'm on a Pro. PS. you can move between rooms very easily. And travel.

Edit: You're right about gaming. Mac fails at this, desktop or no. I played WoW and Stardew on my i7 Mini with an eGPU, but Apple Silicon doesn't have eGPUs, and no good games work on it. This also goes for VR.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by JCharante on Thursday October 27, 2022 @11:58PM (#33367520)
My company gives me a hub to put on my desk at home. I plug 1 USB C cable to my work laptop and it charges the laptop, connects to my home LAN, connects to my monitors, webcam, mic, and it would connect to my keyboard & mouse but those are wireless. When I want a change of scenery I can just unplug and sit anywhere. I don't run anything locally that requires the intensity of a desktop.

When I go to the office I just bring my laptop and plug it into a hub at a hot desk. Then I have external monitors and all my processes just as I was running them earlier.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by scarface74 on Friday October 28, 2022 @12:01AM (#33367536)
My mobile setup includes an Apple BT keyboard and mouse, a Roost laptop stand, an iPad as a second monitor and a USB C powered portable display - video and power from one cord.

As of tomorrow, my wife and I will officially be “digital nomads” flying around the country staying in hotels. I perfected my mobile setup over a year ago.

I visit my parents semi often and work from there.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by benjaminwootton on Friday October 28, 2022 @05:03AM (#33369197)
In spite of the insane prices too, particularly outside of the US.