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Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by photochemsyn on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @10:34AM (#30932413)
Here's a more accessible link on the same story:

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/germany-boosts-renewabl...

> "By 2030, installed onshore wind capacity should reach 115 gigawatts (GW), the government says. Annual capacity additions therefore have to reach 10 GW as of 2025. Solar PV installations will amount to 22 GW per year as of 2026 to achieve a total capacity of 215 GW by the end of the decade. Offshore wind additions are increased as well to reach a minimum of 30 GW per 2030 and 40 GW by 2035, and 70 GW by 2045. While the government wants to incentivise the production and use of biomethane in highly flexible plants by increasing tender volumes, the use of biomass for power production will be superseded by its use in transport and industry."

In particular there's an anti-NIMBYism provision in there that makes a lot of sense. This has been a huge problem for rolling out renewables in the USA from California to New York:

> "To ensure that these ambitious growth scenarios are not hampered by lengthy planning procedures, local opposition and contradictions with other protected goals, the government establishes the principle that the use of renewable energies is of overriding public interest and will be given priority over other concerns until greenhouse gas neutrality is achieved."

The benefits are obvious: Germany will be able to escape the need to import Russian gas and oil - although the American fracked LNG exporters who hoped to simply seize that market from Russia are doubtless disappointed.

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by lobochrome on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @01:44PM (#30935238)
> "To ensure that these ambitious growth scenarios are not hampered by lengthy planning procedures, local opposition and contradictions with other protected goals, the government establishes the principle that the use of renewable energies is of overriding public interest and will be given priority over other concerns until greenhouse gas neutrality is achieved."

Not exactly as clean as it sounds. They merely want to take away the burden of the developer to get comments and approval from people before they proceed with planning.

Individuals can still sue and block projects.

This is just talk in my opinion. Like when the government declared in 2010 that they want to have 1 million EV on the road in 2020.

Or when they decided to shut off nuclear and replace it with renewables and instead built out coal and gas.

Or when they decided to phase out coal by 2035…

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by freeflight on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @03:35PM (#30936525)
> Or when they decided to shut off nuclear and replace it with renewables and instead built out coal and gas.

The nuclear phase out was signed and ratified in 2002, since then nuclear has mostly replaced with solar and wind [0], while the share of electricity from coal has has actually gone slightly down.

Germany's 40%+ renewables are an testament to Germany pioneering the sector [1], one that too often gets belittled with straight up misinformation.

[0] https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-energy-c...

[1] https://www.trade.gov/energy-resource-guide-germany-renewabl...

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by TremendousJudge on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @03:59PM (#30936813)
>while the share of electricity from coal has has actually gone slightly down

But the electricity generation in general has gone up since then. While total coal has gone down, gas has gone up, and therefore the total amount of electricity generated from fossil fuel sources has only changed slightly. It's clear on this chart[0]. So actual progress in reducing fossil fuel dependency in the last 20 years has been small (the chart is not properly labeled for this, but it looks like something around 50TWh less than in 2002) -- and that's not even counting non-electric heating.

[0] https://www.cleanenergywire.org/sites/default/files/styles/g...

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by radicalbyte on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @10:46AM (#30932566)
> American fracked LNG exporters who hoped to simply seize that market from Russia are doubtless disappointed.

Germany has a huge industry which won't be able to switch away from gas that easily so I'm sure that the LNG suppliers will have a market for the next 20 years.

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by lampenrad on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @11:34AM (#30933302)
In 2021, Germany got 55% of its gas from Russia (the rest from other European countries). Depending on how much overall consumption can be reduced, European suppliers might be able to cover most/all of it.
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by freeflight on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @03:38PM (#30936554)
European suppliers will also be busy covering all the other increased demand inside from Europe [0], the demand that most people tend to forget when they act like Germany is the only country dependent on Russian energy, and resources, imports.

It's also not as easily replacable as "Just go to the other gas supermarket down the street", infrastructure needs to exist and support such supply chains.

[0] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1201743/russian-gas-depe...

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by nmehner on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @03:51PM (#30936723)
There has already been some progress (https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/germany-made-progres... ):

"Habeck said imports of Russian oil now accounted for 25% of German imports, down from 35% before the invasion, and gas imports have been cut to 40% from 55%. Russian hard coal imports were down to 25% from 50% before the invasion."

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by adrianN on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @10:47AM (#30932582)
A much smaller market than expected if Germany manages to reduce demand for gas for electricity and heating.
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by weinzierl on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @01:28PM (#30935076)
I've read that short and mid term the renewables boost will increase demand for gas in Germany. This is because gas power plants can be ramped up and down very quickly. Coal and nuclear power is not very dynamic.

The flexibility is needed to compensate for spikes and especially the variable output of renewables.

In addition to that: My rough back of a napkin calculation[1] shows that we'd need almost tanker per day. Is this even realistic at all?

[1] 80E6 m3 / 250E3 m3 = 320. Please correct me if I made a mistake here.

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by dividedbyzero on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @02:40PM (#30935866)
Something to keep in mind: No one has done anything like this at such a scale yet and Germany has formidable resources, not just a lot of money but also a big and capable engineering base. Perhaps it's going to go like some predict and innovation isn't going to be able to solve the issues along the way and everything will effectively run on overpriced gas and coal, but it might as well become a big success story. As a species, we are in pretty dire need of such a success story, so I'm pretty stoked to see this play out. Besides, it's really nice to see Germany do something visionary and daring once in a long while. The Merkel governments have been dire in this regard.
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by FuriouslyAdrift on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @05:16PM (#30937508)
They used 142 BCM in 2021. That's 339 million cubic meters per day. The biggest LNG carriers can handle 200,000+ per shipment. That's 1695 per day... there's only 170 ships active per world wide out of the 439 currently operating.

I think these numbers are correct but maybe I am wildly off...

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by cinntaile on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @02:10PM (#30935511)
To continue the napkin math and assuming your calculations check out... Lets say the distance is 7000km and the avg. speed is 12 knots. You'd need less than 30 tankers to have a daily delivery of gas.
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by athrowaway3z on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @01:31PM (#30935117)
Somebody commented that German fertilizer is a large consumer. I doubt it will make sense to turn gas into LNG into fertilizer.
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by namibj on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @08:04PM (#30939034)
Depends on the plant capacity available for turning the gas into fertilizer before it'd need to be turned into LNG. Those may not exist.
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by londons_explore on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @11:57AM (#30933689)
> In particular there's an anti-NIMBYism provision

The best anti-NIMBYism rule is (for example of the building of new houses): "While the number of new dwellings built is below the target X for the region, all privately-funded plans that involve the building of a new house shall be automatically approved and all relevant permits automatically granted without review".

Obviously no city state or local government wants any plans to be unconditionally approved. So they'll go to massive lengths to meet the target.

Allow the targets to be transferable, so that some really NIMBY place can pay someone else to to do the deed they don't want to do.

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by pasabagi on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @02:25PM (#30935700)
I think the problem is generally legal, not administrative. Development in germany would typically be held up by people suing the developers to stop it from going ahead, so the city or state itself wouldn't be in a position to speed things along in a majority of cases.

> the principle that the use of renewable energies is of overriding public interest and will be given priority over other concerns until greenhouse gas neutrality is achieved.

would probably be something like a silver bullet, though, because if it is as strong as it sounds, any judge would basically have to agree to any reasonable planning proposal that was intended to increase renewables capacity.

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by pydry on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @01:22PM (#30934990)
This is how you get 15,000 new 15% profit margin luxury housing units sold to Chinese investors and left empty and 0 new affordable housing units.

We just need higher property taxes. This will mean that these store-of-wealth investments eat losses & stop consuming all the good land while city coffers start to fill up with money that can build public housing.

If you want lessons on how to solve an urban housing crisis look to 1950s Singapore not the building developers salivating over 15% margins on newbuild luxury apartments whining about NIMBYs getting in their way.

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by zbrozek on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @01:18PM (#30934942)
We desperately need property rights in the US if we want to build our way out of the housing crisis.
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by _ph_ on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @10:57AM (#30932711)
If only those LNG exporters could offer enough LNG quickly to replace the current need of Russian gas in Germany.
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by klausjensen on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @11:06AM (#30932849)
Switching to LNG requires special infrastructure (harbours attached to the gas-network) - and there is not nearly enough of that in Germany right now, and it takes a long time to build.

So even if Russian gas COULD be replaced by LNG tomorrow, in terms of pure volume, it would still not possible to Germany to consume it.

Germany really screwed the pooch on their energy policy for the past 15 years...

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by krisoft on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @11:49AM (#30933542)
Exactly as you say.

> there is not nearly enough of that in Germany right now

To elaborate on that: Germany has no LNG terminals. Zero. They signed the first contracts to build one this year March [1]. If I were a German citizen I would feel very cross with my own government. It's a good idea to have such an infra just in case. Just to hedge the bets.

There is a very real reason why the Floating Storage Regasification Unit serving as the LNG import terminal for Latvia is called "FSRU Independence". [2] These facilities literally provide independence.

1: https://www.maritime-executive.com/article/germany-speeds-pl... 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FSRU_Independence

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by lnsru on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @03:29PM (#30936476)
Lithuania has Independence, not Latvia. Kremlin troll factory was screaming about money waste for years. Today it looks like a smart investment without a doubt.
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by freeflight on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @03:49PM (#30936689)
Even with the terminal, Lithuania still has a 40% Russian gas dependence [0], barely 10% lower than Germany, while Latvia is over 90% dependent on Russian gas.

The matter of fact is that only very few countries in Europe can "afford" to get by without Russian gas or other resources. After all it is the home to the continents largest concentration of natural resources.

There is only so much global production capacity, so much bandwith in terms of logistics, that can compensate for that. It's not like we can suddenly tap a new continent full of resources to replace Russia, reality ain't working like that.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1201743/russian-gas-depe...

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by nagisa on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @04:23PM (#30937041)
All three Baltic countries stopped all imports of Russian gas for its own use this week, a move largely enabled by the FSRU Independence. The only remaining movement of gas across the pipeline through Lithuania from Russia is in transit to the Kaliningrad oblast.

FSRU Independence has sufficient capacity to deliver enough gas to serve 70~100% of the yearly needs of the three Baltic countries, depending on how you count. Of course it remains a question of who supplies the LNG, but it gives the countries a backup, an ability to pick the suppliers and an ability to make politically important decisions, even if it means paying a little more.

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by krisoft on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @05:29PM (#30937631)
Oh you are right. Sorry about that. Even my source correctly says Lithuania. Need to learn to read.
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by imtringued on Thursday April 07, 2022 @04:20AM (#30942006)
Resilience is inherently wasteful.
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by spaniard89277 on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @11:52AM (#30933595)
Spain has. But youll need pipes.
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by Gravityloss on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @01:16PM (#30934918)
There exists LNG terminals in Holland, Belgium and Poland: Rotterdam, Zeebrugge, Swinoujscie etc.

They are connected to German pipelines.

This map is excellent: https://www.gie.eu/publications/maps/gie-lng-map/

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by spaniard89277 on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @02:28PM (#30935716)
I know, but I've been told that Spain has the most underused installed capacity.
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by Gravityloss on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @05:59PM (#30937979)
Does Spain export a lot of electricity? It could produce a lot of solar power. Even some in the winter, a lot in the summer when it's needed for air conditioning. One can think of it this way, if a solar panel is manufactured in or imported to EU, maybe it should be installed in the more sunny regions for maximum benefit.

Spain is also a wind power giant.

As comparison, Germany is not a great location for either wind or solar power.

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by spaniard89277 on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @06:21PM (#30938199)
I heard that France refused several projects to connect the iberian system to central europe properly, not only electricity but also gas.

It isn't that spanish companies can get much help from the government's diplomacy (long topic), so someone else interested in that connection would have to partner with such companies, or a foreign diplomatic body go and do the legwork for the spanish companies, which wouldn't be the first time.

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by pjmlp on Thursday April 07, 2022 @02:58AM (#30941477)
Germany has lots of good locations for wind, the problem is that anyone can block them, because "they don't like how they look, are noisy, too close to their home,..." and plety of other reasons.

Thus Germany could be like we have it back home in the Iberian Penisula, but no, many people are keeping the courts busy instead.

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by manholio on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @01:23PM (#30935008)
A LNG import pier is essentially a pipe where ships dock, connected to storage tanks and from which, in response to demand, liquid gas is reheated by simply letting it exchange heat with air or the sea water.

It's a straightforward piece of technology that can be built quickly by any country, unlike, say, a liquefaction plant or a LNG tanker.

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by krisoft on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @04:50PM (#30937295)
Fundamentally on the physics level you are right. LNG regasification is not hard tech. It doesn't require unobtanium, probably any technologically advanced country can develop the necessary know how if they need it. Heck, at small scale you just pour the LNG out in a puddle and it will turn back to gas. :)

But building any kind of infrastructure takes time. There are some factors which make it more complicated engineering wise: cryogenic fluids, handling large quantities of flamable and explosive liquids and gasses, being built on the waterfront etc etc. None of these are insurmountable mind you! They just complicate it a bit.

One way we can look at is by comparing how long such plants took to get constructed elsewhere. I looked up a few European examples. From the first announcement to the first ship docking:

  UK/South Hook ~6 years
  UK/Dragon ~4 years
  UK/Grain ~6.2 years
  Belgium/Zeebrugge ~10 years
  Netherlands/Gate ~4 years
  Poland/Świnoujście ~9 years
(I have collected my sources on a spreadsheet here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1md_XfmrpIYhWj72Mu3BJ... )

Probably I made some mistakes in the above, and there are some inconsistencies (do we count until the first commercial ship, or the first ship trialing the facilities?) Also I assume that all of these things can be done a bit faster in case of a dire emergency. But it seems even in that best case it might take multiple winters until a regassification plant is up and running. Which is a bit cold and scary.

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by rich_sasha on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @03:03PM (#30936176)
The gas port in Poland [1] took 4 years from start of construction to first delivery. From project start it was 9 years.

I’m not putting Poland as some kind of benchmark for speedy construction, but I think 1-2 years is a minimum even in a hurry.

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by weinzierl on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @01:14PM (#30934891)
It is not only the missing LNG terminals. In the last 15 years gas heating has been been pushed to a degree that roughly half of all buildings are heated that way.

I'm willing to believe that we can build an LNG terminal in a year or two, but replacing the heating systems of our buildings will take decades.

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by nemetroid on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @02:35PM (#30935817)
Isn’t the point of an LNG terminal to supply a gas heating system with gas?
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by huijzer on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @01:34PM (#30935161)
> Germany really screwed the pooch on their energy policy for the past 15 years...

If they would have pushed "this overrides all public interests" clause last year, they could have triggered a huge backslash especially among the German climate change deniers and car fans. This in turn could have hindered them from introducing the clause today. So, maybe they did a great job on the energy policy. Who knows

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by hef19898 on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @12:21PM (#30934036)
>> Germany really screwed the pooch on their energy policy for the past 15 years...

Why? Russia, and the USSR through the entirity of the Cold War, delivered reliably all the gas ordered. If you have a stable relationship with suppliers stretching decades and through all kinds of conflicts you have zero incentive to change. The infrastructure is there. And being in business with your "enemy" keeps channels open and results in intet dependencies.

Putin, in a bout of insanity, through all that out of the window. Once it was clear that's gonna happen, and no that was NOT clear a year ago, it was too late to switch (infrastructure).

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by lorenzfx on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @12:34PM (#30934262)
This.

As I commented recently on another thread:

This was done on purpose. There was the hope, that strong economic ties would make war between Germany and Russia impossible. While it now looks really stupid, it worked really well between Germany and France after World War II (first with European Coal and Steel Community and then later with the European Union).

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by fauigerzigerk on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @12:39PM (#30934374)
There's also climate change though. Building a new gas pipeline while exiting nuclear at the same time seems an odd way to achieve zero carbon.
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by ZeroGravitas on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @02:28PM (#30935722)
Why? Cheap renewables and gas is a perfectly good route to zero carbon being used around the world.

I could think of ways to further minimize gas but there's politics involved too.

It also is a big carrot for Putin (or somebody who takes his place) to rejoin the peaceful world.

Build a golden bridge for your enemies to retreat over -- Sun Tzu

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by infamia on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @12:34PM (#30934258)
It's not like this is out of the blue. NATO has been training the Ukrainians for eight years because of the risks. The Europeans should have been hedging their bets against Russian gas as well.
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by yonaguska on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @12:44PM (#30934453)
> NATO has been training the Ukrainians for eight years because of the risks.

Feels a bit like a chicken or egg question. I'm still undecided though, as Russia was funding the green anti nuclear movements in Germany way back when Fukushima happened.

Fwiw, I don't think that renewables plus batteries are a safe hedge anyways. We're simply offshoring the environmental externalities to places far away in terms of energy storage, and China holds all the cards in this instance.

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by hef19898 on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @12:58PM (#30934670)
The Green party was funded as, partially, an anti nuclear party. Pushing that after Fukushima was just natural. Russia did support the AfD so, as they did with other far right movements across Europe.

That said, 8 years is a very short time to switch from existing gas pipelines to LNG terminals.

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by timka on Thursday April 07, 2022 @03:21PM (#30949166)
What exactly do you mean by Russia funding the green anti-nuclear movements? Exactly who did this?

All that green agenda, Kyoto and Paris stuff, affects Russia very badly by basically cancelling its fossil fuel export earnings. Just look at those who lobby the green agenda in Russia like Chubais.

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by endymi0n on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @02:26PM (#30935703)
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by hef19898 on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @02:43PM (#30935900)
History. Germany dealt woth every Sowjet leader since Stalin. Arguably that helped preserve peace in Europe. Everybody continues to deal with China, not to mention raw earths and dimonds from various African dictators. And the Wests standards were never that high anyway.
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by freeflight on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @03:58PM (#30936801)
> Putin, in a bout of insanity, through all that out of the window.

How exactly? You just explained it yourself very well; These trade relations even held trough the worst of the Cold War.

Just like Germany kept its trade relations with the US going while that invaded and bombed half the Middle East.

The only side that switched behavior here, throwing all established rules out of the window, is Germany and the US, by making Ukraine this "ultimate lynchpin" everybody shall pick a side over, and those who don't pick the "right" one shall be considered with the enemy.

These are very much 1:1 the same overtones the US bullied the international community with, thus tolerating American imperialist ambitions, on the other side of the planet, even those have resulted in some of the worst global damage since WWII.

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by vimy on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @02:18PM (#30935611)
Ten years ago only 30 % of European gas came from Russia. In the 90s it was even less. It was a deliberate German strategy to increase their dependence on Russia.

> Once it was clear that's gonna happen, and no that was NOT clear a year ago,

It was clear. He threatened Europe with shutting down gas supplies in the past, more than once. He actually did it with Ukraine in 2014. In response Germany (& Europe) became more dependent on Russia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYaa5Zp7qBI This was 2018. Germany mocked him instead of listening.

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by trhway on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @05:03PM (#30937394)
>So even if Russian gas COULD be replaced by LNG tomorrow, in terms of pure volume, it would still not possible to Germany to consume it

Why? Given that Germany has unused North Stream 2 connection to Germany infra they should just build an LNG terminal right where NS2 beaches. An LNG receiving terminal is pretty easy and fast to build.

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by croes on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @11:12AM (#30932937)
Others sources have either similar totalitarian governments or human rights violations like russia or damage the environment like transporting the LNG with ships to germany.

Germany could have diversified it's suppliers if the Iran deals weren't killed by Trump, but even then not a good solution.

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by klausjensen on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @11:26AM (#30933154)
Hindsight is 20-20, I know, but Russia was the worst choice there was as supplier.

It was not nearly as obvious 15 years ago, as it is today, but all the signs were there. We (I include myself here) were just not listening closely enough to the countries that knew Russia the best: Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Ukraine.

The decision is also amplified by the meaningless end to the German nuclear program.

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by Mlller on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @02:34PM (#30935807)
Contrary to the narrative common now, many European states and particularly a majority of Eastern European states seem to have been more dependent on Russian gas than Germany:

  - Hungary: 110.4 percent 
  - Latvia: 100.1 percent 
  - Finland: 92.4 percent 
  - Estonia: 86.5 percent 
  - Czechia: 86.0 percent 
  - Slovenia: 81.0 percent 
  - Slovakia: 75.2 percent 
  - Bulgaria: 72.8 percent 
  - Germany: 58.9 percent
“Some of the countries have a figure above 100 because they import more than required for domestic consumption and export other energy products.” per https://thehill.com/policy/equilibrium-sustainability/326055...
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by pell on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @03:20PM (#30936388)
While that is true, Germany is the economical powerhouse of the EU (and the fourth largest economy in the world). I think, these countries' GDPs combined are probably still smaller than Germany's. This gives Germany a special position here which is mainly why they're the center of attention here.
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by riku_iki on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @06:03PM (#30938028)
Those all are small countries, with combined population less than Germany.
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by pell on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @03:16PM (#30936330)
>It was not nearly as obvious 15 years ago, as it is today, but all the signs were there. We (I include myself here) were just not listening closely enough to the countries that knew Russia the best: Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Ukraine.

A big part of Germany's geopolitical strategy was (and partly still is) to act as a communication channel between West and East. Similarly to the EU which brought long-lasting peace in Europe through economical ties, the idea was to establish economical relationships with Russia to advance the relationship for a beneficial win-win situation both sides could live with. This, of course, was shortsighted in many ways.

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by bobthepanda on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @11:34AM (#30933308)
German dependency on Russian gas is a lot older than that. Ostpolitik dates back to the ‘60s.
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by tmerse on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @12:10PM (#30933875)
Jein (Yes and no). Helmut Schmidt even advocated for diversification in 1988 (no importer should account for more than 30% - of course more with oil in mind but the principle stands).

https://www.zeit.de/1988/08/sieben-prinzipien-vernuenftiger-...

Contrary to this, Russian gas imports to Germany used to account for 40% of total consumption in 2012 vs 52% as of today.

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by gsserge on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @02:07PM (#30935472)
> It was not nearly as obvious 15 years ago, as it is today, but all the signs were there. We (I include myself here) were just not listening closely enough to the countries that knew Russia the best: Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Ukraine.

After living in Western Europe for almost a decade it's still shocking to me how much people here do not understand Russia.

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by creato on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @02:18PM (#30935610)
In my experience, right here on HN the dominant narrative was that opposing Russian gas infrastructure was just American protectionism for frackers.

Similarly, opposing Chinese built telecom infrastructure is just seen as an attempt at American protectionism. Hopefully that continues to be a viable position, unlike depending on Russian gas.

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by croes on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @12:09PM (#30933860)
Who would have been a better choice?
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by hef19898 on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @12:23PM (#30934083)
In the pre-Ukraine war world there were none. Gas was comparatively cheap, pipelines and ibfrastructure was there. So Russia was a natural choice. Now that changed and the world will adapt.
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by gsserge on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @01:59PM (#30935396)
At the very least Germany could have said no to Nord Stream 1 & 2.
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by starkd on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @12:10PM (#30933879)
>> Germany could have diversified it's suppliers if the Iran deals weren't killed by Trump, but even then not a good solution.

How does diversifying away from one totalitarian government only to depend on another totalitarian government solve anything?

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by mrep on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @12:37PM (#30934321)
Well for one thing, that other totalitarian government doesn't have nukes to threaten you if you intervene with them.
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by freemint on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @09:36PM (#30939668)
yet.
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by croes on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @01:22PM (#30934999)
Less power for each of such governments.
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by freeflight on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @03:40PM (#30936593)
They can't, and even if they could; In terms of climate change it's absolutely counterproductive to ship LNG across the Atlantic.

The amount of extra energy that needs, the extra emission it creates, its a complete enviornmental disaster.

One that's mostly ignored, as it gets into the way of certain foreign policy narratives, where neither "climate change" nor the "enviornment" are even recognized concepts of any kind of priority.

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by photochemsyn on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @11:07AM (#30932869)
Current LNG facilities are already saturated as I understand it. It's an energetically expensive process: gas from production in the USA has to be piped to an export terminal, and then has to be liquified (large energy investment), shipped across the ocean, then gasified (another large energy investment) and fed into the European pipeline system. Suddenly expanding all that would require, well, a decade of investment and planning.
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by croes on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @11:13AM (#30932954)
Not to mention the environmental damage because of the transport by ship. Climate change seems to be forgotten.
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by thatfrenchguy on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @11:53AM (#30933618)
Wind energy is nice and stuff but the moment there’s no wind you have no electricity, it’s not a good energy source if you want to actually remove gas from your grid.
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by atoav on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @12:03PM (#30933788)
Isn't it a bit naive to assume the planers of these expansions didn't at one point or another had that exact thought themselves? I mean it is certainly not the most far out there idea when it comes to wind power..
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by atoav on Thursday April 07, 2022 @03:07AM (#30941533)
As a German electrical engineer that knows the rigour with which the whole electrical industry works here I am confident this will not be an issue in Germany. Cold winters are not a new thing here.
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by kodah on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @12:17PM (#30933978)
No, because that's exactly what happened in Texas during their winter storm crisis.
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by dpierce9 on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @12:22PM (#30934055)
That was only part of the Texas issue. Many Nat Gas plants were also offline. For nearly the whole time Nat Gas outages were 2x wind outages according to ERCOT.

Here is their own report: https://www.ercot.com/files/docs/2021/04/28/ERCOT_Winter_Sto...

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by kodah on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @12:37PM (#30934330)
Correct, they were, which reinforces the point.
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by chess_buster on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @03:46PM (#30936655)
Buuuut... the problem is that they didn't weather proof their system even though they were informend about the problems this could cause in winter storm scenarios.

The weatherproofed windpower plants as well als gas plants function very well in Germany, Norway, etc. even though it is often a lot colder.

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by zdragnar on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @04:02PM (#30936842)
Do weatherproofed wind turbines consume electricity? A common complaint around here is that they need to keep the blades heated to avoid frost and ice buildup, even when the wind is not blowing (we do have a lot of still days in winter).

In bad conditions, if that is still the case, having wind turbines connected to the grid might be worse than having none.

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by atoav on Thursday April 07, 2022 @03:04AM (#30941517)
In bad conditions this is the case foe every power plant.

The good thing is, that wind turbines are highly distributed, so the chance for every single one being in bad conditions is slim.

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by sorenbs on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @12:38PM (#30934347)
This is factually incorrect. The winter issue in Texas was almost exclusively lack of winterization of thermal plants as well as a market setup that was unable to predict and react to the weather. Wind generated more electricity during the event than what was committed in the market, and as such had no negative influence.
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by kodah on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @02:02PM (#30935431)
This is factually incorrect. Winterization is about half of the issues faced. Page 4 highlights the causes pretty well.

https://www.ercot.com/files/docs/2021/04/28/ERCOT_Winter_Sto...

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by dpierce9 on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @02:27PM (#30935714)
Page 16 is quite clear: the vast majority of missing generation capacity was natural gas. The lost wind capacity was comparable to lost coal capacity. Whether the cause is categorized as equipment failure, weather, or fuel availability, the most affected generation category was natural gas.
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by kodah on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @02:57PM (#30936090)
The point of my comment was that the supply chain issue was significant, sorenbs is saying winterization is the exclusive cause. The ERCOT report doesn't support what they had to say. Winterization accounts for ~12-15 GW while supply chain is responsible for ~5-8 GW. (Page 23-25)

The comment I originally responded to said:

> Isn't it a bit naive to assume the planers of these expansions didn't at one point or another had that exact thought themselves?

The answer is no, it is not naive to assume that they didn't think about these things, because even in a state like Texas where energy is king it was not fully thought out.

Edit:

Also to be clear, I'm not ragging on Texas. I love the people of Texas and I miss being there, but I think the state has some important lessons to pay attention to and learn from.

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by dpierce9 on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @04:19PM (#30936992)
What isn’t fully thought out?

The categories in the report are weather related, equipment failure, and fuel supply issues. These are considered in the report mutually exclusive. But they aren’t, it is just a useful categorization.

You are simply wrong to think that they don’t consider intermittent resources as part of their planning. Wind stops blowing all the time, this is known. The fact that many natural gas generators iced over, fuel was too expensive, fuel wasn’t available, or they couldn’t maintain their equipment when needed was the principal source of lost capacity.

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by sidewndr46 on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @03:35PM (#30936532)
ERCOT sets the price of electricity. There is no 'market' in the traditional sense, unless you count a government price fixing scheme as a market.

In this case the price was set at the absolute maximum as allowed by the system. If the 'market' couldn't react to that absolute maximum price then the market cannot be the problem at hand.

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by phatfish on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @12:42PM (#30934416)
Most of western Europe has an electricity grid to distribute power. When the wind is blowing it covers domestic needs or exports, when it's not blowing it imports nuclear power, or Solar etc.
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by 8bitsrule on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @11:18PM (#30940272)
Denmark (~1% of the world population) has been doing quite well with it's 2GW of wind, powered by "modest average wind speeds in the range of 4.9–5.6 m/s measured at 10 m height." With a mean January temp of 1.5 °C (34.7 °F), wind covered 47% of yearly electric in 2019. (71% yesterday). Plans on 84% by 2035. It also has 1GW of solar. They got started early, and it shows. Too bad for heel-dragging Texans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_Denmark

https://en.winddenmark.dk/wind-in-denmark/current-energy-pro...

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by imtringued on Thursday April 07, 2022 @04:24AM (#30942021)
Is this a joke? Throttling gas plants is much easier than throttling coal plants. If the wind blows you consume less gas. With coal you have to turn the wind plant off.

Also, fossil fuels appear to be highly unreliable. The moment there’s no gas you have no electricity, it’s not a good energy source.

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by epgui on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @12:17PM (#30933985)
That’s why energy storage is important.
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by eldaisfish on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @12:40PM (#30934385)
... and batteries are not the solution at scale to that problem. The current global installed capacity of batteries can barely deliver a handful of gigawatt hours of energy. a medium scale grid like the Netherlands will use that amount in a handful of minutes.
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by Ourgon on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @05:44PM (#30937809)
Grid-scale batteries are not the solution. Residential solar combined with residential storage either through dedicated batteries (which can be repurposed old EV battery packs or tailor-made residential storage batteries) or electric cars which can feed power back into the home can help more here by limiting peak consumption when people come home from work/school and - given large enough batteries - when they get up and prepare to go to work/school. In the more northern regions the effect will be limited in the winter months due to the limited amount of daylight, the opposite is true in the summer months.
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by epgui on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @06:49PM (#30938419)
First sentence: I don't think these things are mutually exclusive. Agreed on the rest though!

One of the main advantages of battery storage, apart from decoupling production and consumption, is that it enables delocalization (and portability) of energy sources.

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by chess_buster on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @03:48PM (#30936675)
Therefore they will use stored hydrogen in the gas plants. The hydrogen will be electrolyzed using renewable energy when it's too much.
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by epgui on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @03:51PM (#30936708)
“current capacity” is indeed insufficient, but we’re talking about what ought to be in the future, not about what is in the present.
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by Georgelemental on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @04:14PM (#30936954)
The technology to do that at reasonable cost does not exist and likely won't be developed in the near future.
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by epgui on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @05:20PM (#30937551)
The technology does exist. The bottleneck is how fast we can ramp up mining and production of key metals.

Extraction of key metals from batteries (ie.: recycling) does need to be developed further, but in terms of total capacity, that is a bigger future concern than a present one.

Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by adrianN on Thursday April 07, 2022 @12:40AM (#30940666)
What's a reasonable cost? Wind and solar are pretty cheap, and you can spend quite a bit on technology that you only need a couple of weeks of the year without doubling the average price.
Re:Germany boosts renewables with “biggest energy policy ref... by gherkinnn on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @03:48PM (#30936676)
Lakes make for good batteries. Geography provided.