Nomad is very cool, as are most hashicorp creations, but it’s not in the same class. It’s a single vendor solution, has a lot less mileage on it, doesn’t have the same flexibility. It may very well solve your problem but I don’t know that it will work for as many as k8s does.
Really, someone should start to enable k8s with BSD technologies
Honestly, K8s is as complex as you need it to be. For smaller deployments it's working just fine too.
You probably don't need kubernetes, but if you already have a k8s cluster and someone who has done it,, with 10 to 20 minutes of work you can deploy your app/service in a highly available. Even if you don't have a k8s cluster yet, these days you can provision one easily without advanced levels of knowledge. Even just zero-down time deploys make k8s a good choice for a small shop. You basically get it for free with K8s.
It is sort of sad but BSD is bad at publishing news and tutorials. I wish there was something like lwn and the slew of endless tutorials to keep me up to date with what is going on in the BSD world. There is so little information or it is so hard to find for somebody in the Mac and Linux world that it might as well not exist at all.
And the thing is, if you “dev” on Mac or Linux and “deploy” on Linux, like a lot of us, you are a *NIX head and are interested in hearing what is new in the BSDs.
Say what?
https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/
And publishing some books about the BSDs doesn’t really count as “tutorials”.
I don’t think you are getting my point. The comment I respondet to wasn’t just interesting, it gave me a reason to care about FreeBSD and maybe a reason to read freebsdnews and give FreeBSD a try. You need a place where people from outside of your communities can go to get informed enough to actually care enough to install a specific BSD and start reading their news digest.
FreeBSD does have container tech, in fact it had it before Linux did. It's just not the same tech, its jails are its own invention.
And gaming isn't really a thing on Mac either.
Ps I use all OSes under the sun. Windows for gaming, Mac for work, Linux for servers and FreeBSD for my main desktop. I don't really do laptops but I have a Windows 11 laptop from work too.
Yes, there are many things you can't do on an OpenBSD system, but those are things you wouldn't really want to do on an OpenBSD system anyway.
My go to example is my laptop’s keyboard backlight works exactly as expected from tty terminals.
I’m willing to limit my hardware options to the small subset that works with OpenBSD in return for having an OS that I can trust. Fortunately, this small subset includes the X1 Carbon thinkpads which are really nice.
I’m experimenting living with a combination of iPad + openBSD thinkpad - iPad for things like Netflix and Zoom where the business isn’t interested in supporting openBSD, and my laptop for everything else.
PS: Bluetooth is a terrible protocol and should be nuked from orbit out of existence. None of my 5 bluetooth headphones (from different vendors and different price ranges) can figure out which device I was last playing from, my car repeatedly steals my bluetooth audio and starts playing music without my consent every single time, audio stops streaming randomly despite my phone/iPad thinking that they are connected and continuing to play - I can rant for a long time. I genuinely respect openBSD developers for deleting the bluetooth stack to improve the OS quality.
/etc/hostname.foobar
lladdr random
join ESSID wpakey blahblahb
inet autoconf
inet6 autoconf
That's it.
Sounds like that 50/50 joke (about the likelihood of bumping into a dinosaur in the street).
I miss being young, having lots of energy, being able to function on 4 hours of sleep and having all my life in front of me as much as the next person but you'll have to take systemd, networkmanager, docker/kubernetes and zfs off my cold, dead hands.
I thought zfs came from Solaris/FreeBSD
- zfs came from solaris, not from freebsd
- solaris and freebsd share very little as codebases and are very different OSes
- and regarding the previous point: the fact that some OSes shared the codebase ~30 years ago means very little today.
- the zfs people use on FreeBSD today is basically ZfsOnLinux. Som years ago the freebsd people dropped their snowflake implementation and joined the ZfsOnLinux effort, basically because ZfsOnLinux was moving at a way faster pace than they were. The project has been renamed OpenZFS iirc, and FreeBSD periodically rebases on that afaik.
That's rich considering that one design goal of OpenBSD is to stay the same no matter what happens around it.
The other thing is that the markets the BSD has been historically dominant are dying and consolidating. The world is cloud and cloud is mostly Linux.
I’d guess that in a 10 years, somebody will ditch ancient POSIX stuff and hardware support and do something new.
Use stuff where it fits well for its purpose.
I use Windows only for gaming, Mac for development and Linux for servers where they excel at what they do.
Also I really don't get why BSD developers care to develop desktop environment with their limited resource but they should just concentrate on server offerings if they want to stay relevant besides having a more free license than Linux.
Because they want to: they are the limited resource, and have agency. They may allocate their time as they please, and to their own benefit and preferences. Why should they pander to yours, when you don't even use it, let alone contribute? I struggle to comprehend how such an over-entitled expectation arises.
> if they want to stay relevant
I don't think you realise the sheer scale of the unobtrusively installed BSD base, from fundamental infrastructure (SANs, routers) to home entertainment systems (PS5) and more besides.
And of course, rather notoriously, BSD origins still account for a fair chunk of the userland on that Mac of yours.
I don't use BSD nor Linux for desktop because I like the third party tools offered on macOS for work and now I don't know what BSD is for me. I'm also amazed how FreeBSD doesn't care to make it work on Raspberry Pi.
Perhaps I'm not the only one in the same boat and people may stop packaging tools for BSD and less people may use it.
Not my business but just an advice.
I see the license is a big part that keeps BSD rolling where the manufacturers want to keep their changes to their own and I get it that people should thank how OpenSSH is developed upstream at OpenBSD.
Where did you get that from? Maybe they care, but it's not that easy for some technical reason?
I manage 100+ servers, and 1000+ domains. If I want to make sure that a security patch for a critical CVE doesn't fuck with our systems, or I want to test a new script to make sure it works I do the following:
ZFS snapshot of my "dev jail". Apply the patch/write the script. Test everything and make sure it still works. Ansible: ZFS snapshot the fleet, apply the patch/deploy the script
So gaming and other 'fun' things are not my goal on my workstation, I do use it. There's at least One of us!
Because it's what my servers use, it's what I want to use on my desktop. I'd like to add here that I LOVE using i3. I'm from an age where the OS is supposed to get out of the way. I want to use my programs, not my operating system.
Depends on the development you're doing. .NET or C# -- Windows, hands down. That's about it.
Besides, I prefer JetBrains IDEs anyway, which are platform agnostic.
And I'm in the same boat, macOS for work/development, loonix on VMs/servers, and Windows is strictly for gaming.
People that don't care what OS they are running, as long as they get their POSIX toys.
In fact, given the size of that market, most likely Linux would never happened if Microsoft had been half as serious with Windows NT POSIX subsystem.
Instead we got cygwin :-/
I've only used what I think is a subset (of a clone or subset?) of Cygwin: "git bash". At two jobs, on two different Win 10 laptops now.
Is the rest of Cygwin also as excruciatingly slow?
Oh well, my entire data set is N=2, so anecdata rather than any wide-reaching survey; could well be pure coincidence. It just struck me as I started a new job last Monday, got a new Windows work laptop and started the arduous process of installing required (and allowed) software on it, how uncanny the similarities between corporate computing environments are... Right down to this apparent slowness on the MING-64 command line.
And SUA was also not much GNU related.
Can you please elaborate? My exposure to DragonflyBSD is limited to knowing that they have an interesting new filesystem (Hammer2).
What is it like to actually use it? Is Hammer2 a significant improvement over ZFS on FreeBSD? Does Dragonfly have other selling points?
I’d love to hear the strongest case for deploying Dragonfly.
Visual Studio is on more platforms than Windows and not even the preferred IDE of most devs on Windows unless they are doing .NET.
FreeBSD does not excel on the server side. I don't know any companies that even use it and I spent the last decade consulting with hundreds of companies.
Examples come to mind: Whatsapp and Hotmail used to use it before being acquired by companies with their own tech stacks. Netflix's streaming service is based on it. Pfsense was based on it at one time, not sure if it still is. Juniper uses it. If you go check out the FreeBSD Foundation donations pages you'll see Facebook, Microsoft, Google, Netflix, and others.
Reality is that on the server and in the data center all I need from an OS is a near posix userland and wired network and storage drivers.
https://freebsdfoundation.org/about-us/about-the-foundation/...
They have so little income with those sponsors and multiple times that expense and who is covering the cost?
The total income is like one guy's salary and is that all those big names are paying as sponsors?
Most single-player stuff I've tried has worked fine on Linux with either Lutris + Wine or Steam + Proton. The only games that haven't are super small indie stuff where I just assume they're coded a little poorly in some way.
No, Visual Studio for Macs is a rebranded Mono thing, it has nothing to do with the Windows Visual Studio. There's no VS for Linux.
Of course MS had to complicate things by naming their electron editor Visual Studio Code...
Since then, the amount of plugins shared with Visual Studio has increased, which is a reason why Microsoft started pushing to write them in C# instead of COM.
Currently it is being rewritten, and should be mostly completly unrelated to Mono Develop by .NET 7 release.
But to tackle the main one, gaming on Linux is in the best position it's ever been in. It's not getting 'worse' due to anti cheat, in fact the steamdeck and valve are actively bringing compatibility to linux for those things.
What can you possibly be basing your claim on there? Are you aware of proton?
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-epyc-cpus-netflix-band...
Re: Linux gaming: Sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of the MCC playing on my Linux box. And Ori. And Stardew, RoR2, Everspace, XCOM2, SWTOR, Hades, DST, Hollow Knight, FTL, Terraria, Human Fall Flat, Portal 1/2, and a variety of other games.
As far as anticheat is concerned, that's actively being worked on by Valve and the largest stake holders.
But to the working games, let me add: Overwatch, League of Legends, Anything from GBA/GB/NES/SNES/DS/OtherRetroSystems, Starcraft. Oh, and Minecraft of course.
I'm sure I can come up with more.
Edit: One steam library checking later - and I'll note, this is stuff that I've actually played on Linux (and is also filtered by names I think people would recognize): Arma 3, Blitzkrieg 2, Pit People, Castle Crashers, BattleBlock Theater, Unturned, Invisible Inc., Baldurs Gate, Undertale, Speedrunners, Dota 2, Gary's Mod, Everspace, Raft, AoE 3.
This makes up the VAST majority of my steam library, none of which was purchased checking for Linux compatibility.
It's one thing to say that a specific game you want doesn't work, and quite another to say it in general doesn't work.
Edit again: Rocket League. That's it. That's the only one that I know of issues with, and I don't know if it even still has issues - I stopped playing when it required an Epic account.
Oh hey, lookie there: https://www.protondb.com/app/252950 . Sounds like that works too.
Is Mac really any better than Windows or Linux for dev? Or is it just that a Macbook is more convenient to carry around?
There may be alternatives in Windows with same quality but haven't looked at Windows other than gaming for a while.
- QR code generator on copy (No you don't paste nor hit the generate button but it produces the code on copy while the app is running)
- Clipboard manager that can search and preview images even. Who can live without a good clipboard manager these days? Losing password you just generated because you copied your user name should be a thing of the past. I heard Win11 finally getting one. Didn't find any good third party ones the last time I looked.
- Trackpad. This is such a good stuff, I just swipe down with my 3 fingers to close any tab/window with customizable gestures. No more hitting the tiny close button and plenty others tailored for each app as if my right hand is a magic wand.
- A good terminal with even better third party one. Windows finally getting Windows Terminal or WSL shell but was a decade late to the entry.
- iOS simulator. It's handy to check how a web site behaves in iOS within your OS.
- Develop for iOS/macOS. For those who do.
And generally the better look throughout than the convoluted structure of Windows app with 10 drop downs in the menu bar, 20 icons below that, with settings hidden under, settings -> advanced -> more.
And it's even worse when it comes to OS setting that is cross buried in the new settings and the control panel that still exists.
I don't get distracted by the OS except for the occasional OS update that would hold me up for 10 minutes.
And the hardware is good too and I guess no one complains Mac is expensive when an Air is like $1k.
Both are vastly better than Windows for development.
Finder is just an application, but the toolkit is pervasive.
Maybe if one were into speed and minimalism, and didn't want a GUI, then one of the BSDs is a good idea. At the time I thought it was slower than Slackware, according to my completely unscientific evaluation. Linux may be more complex than the BSDs, but remember, a lot of resources get poured into Linux.
I'm glad that the BSDs exist, I'm just not particularly inclined to use them.
Sony has a different story to tell
NetBSD appears to have embraced a niche as a research OS, not sure about the other distros.
As to why - essentially, Phoronix benchmarks are crap, for a number of reasons:
1. They don't provide things like standard deviation
2. They compile software in improper way
3. They don't even know what are they measuring in the first place
It's been pointed to them numerous times, and honestly, I think it's a waste of time.
Those benchmarks are in agreement with my subjective experience of running (open)bsd on an allegedly well-suoported thinkpad: compared to debian, bsd was sluggish and lasted hours less on battery.
I hate to say this, but I suspect PTS is not actually a benchmark - it’s a publicity generation tool pretending to be a benchmark.
* No Bluetooth support on OpenBSD at all, and it never worked on FreeBSD for me. Linux used to have issues with some devices, but it has gotten much, much better over the recent years (or devices have gotten better).
* Wifi on Linux mostly works out of the box nowadays (with the exception of some Broadcom chips, but even they are getting better). Completely different story on the BSDs, while they have decent support for some vendors like Intel, they take quite a while to support new hardware.
* Gaming is not really a thing on BSD.
* Container tech like Kubernetes and Flatpak does not work on the BSDs.
While Linux has taken a long time to catch up to Windows (and still isn't there yet in some areas), I feel like the BSDs lack the manpower or interest to even keep pace with the world around them. Not only are things not getting better, they are getting worse.