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Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by desine on Saturday July 17, 2021 @12:57PM (#27867101)
The Salton Sea is already a man made disaster deep into ecological collapse. Even if they do it terribly, I doubt they'll make anything worse. It's also a region with no economic future, so hopefully this brings some jobs. This will be interesting to watch, I'm hopeful.
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by lanstin on Saturday July 17, 2021 @02:00PM (#27867538)
Awesome documentary on it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagues_%26_Pleasures_on_the_S...

John Waters narrating.

I took my family there in a trip we also saw Las Vegas, the Mt Palomar telescope, LA tar pits, and Palm Springs. It is too disgusting to be educational. At least when we went it stank to high heaven and we ended up with rotting fish flesh all over our pants. The dumb dog liked it. Everyone else uses it as a cautionary tale about letting me chose destinations for vacation. Getting 10x existing Lithium production would be great use of it.

There are some extremely good date palm farms north of it. It you like figs and dates, check them out.

Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by marzell on Saturday July 17, 2021 @03:34PM (#27868165)
It is free to watch (legitimately) on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TjGAWxL23c

It's a pretty unique/interesting watch.

Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by RileyJames on Saturday July 17, 2021 @05:53PM (#27869138)
Good work dad. One day they will appreciate it more.

You should have added slab city to the itinerary.

I drove around the Salton Sea, but didn’t know the history. Every little “town” around it was dead (although there were signs of restoration in progress). It’s an amazing American post-apocalypse experience, mad max in America style.

Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by jdhn on Saturday July 17, 2021 @02:33PM (#27867768)
My curiosity is getting the better of me, why would you choose the Salton Sea as a vacation destination?
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by dehrmann on Saturday July 17, 2021 @03:31PM (#27868154)
Historically, it was a pretty popular vacation destination.

> In the 1950s and into the 1960s, the communities expanded as the area's reputation as a resort destination and sport fishery grew.[18] Hotels and yacht clubs were built on the shore along with homes and schools.[19] Resorts in communities like Bombay Beach hosted entertainers such as Frank Sinatra, The Beach Boys and Bing Crosby.[20] Yacht clubs held parties at night and golf courses provided recreation.[19] Many people came for boating activities such as water skiing and fishing as stocked fish proliferated.[21] Lakeshore communities grew as vacation homes were built.[15] More than 1.5 million visitors visited annually at the peak.[22]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salton_Sea#Agriculture,_touris...

Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by iamnotwhoiam on Saturday July 17, 2021 @11:25PM (#27870570)
Was there ever any hope that the environment was sustainable or was it basically a real estate pump and dump?

The future could be calculated from a salinity chart and still people bought and sold expensive homes.

Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by xeromal on Sunday July 18, 2021 @12:07AM (#27870701)
It could've lasted much longer if agriculture runoff hadn't poisoned the lake and killed all the fish. It would've lasted until enough evaporation had taken place to concentrate the salts and kill the fish.
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by narrator on Saturday July 17, 2021 @05:00PM (#27868830)
Nearby Slab City is an interesting place to visit if one is into weird stuff. It's an old abandoned area that was once a military base that people have turned into a very unplanned squatter community. It's notable because there are some impressive community art pieces.

The place has managed to avoid accumulating the truly destructive squatter elements (e.g people with severe mental illness or substance abuse problems,though meth is a problem) because it is remote, there are no services, and it is dangerously hot during the summer time. Thus, it's pretty hard to live there without at least a modest RV and some planning, which has made it a bit more inviting and interesting than the usual homeless encampment.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slab_City,_California

Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by state_less on Saturday July 17, 2021 @09:15PM (#27870077)
Slab City is featured in the movie Into The Wild. The movie sends you through many of these out of the way places on Chris’s journey through the North American West.
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by api on Sunday July 18, 2021 @10:02AM (#27872979)
With Starlink you will be able to have a few real cyberpunk squatters out there. Plenty of solar power too.
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by snypher on Sunday July 18, 2021 @11:56AM (#27873967)
$100 bucks a month and 100W power usage might keep it out of most people's hands for a while.
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by stickfigure on Sunday July 18, 2021 @12:17PM (#27874126)
That's $200 worth of solar panels? If Starlink and food is your only expense...
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by narrator on Monday July 19, 2021 @02:51PM (#27886024)
Too bad they don't have Starlink, but for water and food.
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by lanstin on Saturday July 17, 2021 @03:04PM (#27867988)
It is the second largest lake in California. I was new to California and just looking for interesting things. My quick googling was clearly insufficient. Tho it was interesting in some sense. Also it’s kind of in the area of the other places that were ok. Tar pits are awesome. Mt Palomar very cool. Las Vegas unique and notable if not actually my cup of tea.
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by Exmoor on Saturday July 17, 2021 @04:41PM (#27868682)
OP replied with their reason, but I personally have visited the Salton Sea numerous times when in southern California. I find it truly fascinating. It has a very post-apocolyptic feel. From an ecological perspective it occupies a very unique niche. It's 90 miles form the nearest ocean and has large populations of oceanic birds such as Brown Pelicans.
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by jacobkg on Saturday July 17, 2021 @05:49PM (#27869116)
Post apocalyptic is right. When we drove by it we also encountered a number of large ATV groups driving around, mad max style
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by reitzensteinm on Saturday July 17, 2021 @07:25PM (#27869611)
My irrational hope is that parent is a GM executive, dragging their family along to the site of future business deals.

Like Ludendorff holidaying covertly to the fortifications at Liège in Belgium prior to World War 1.

Kids sour faced in the back seats wishing you worked at Disney.

Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by jws on Saturday July 17, 2021 @03:13PM (#27868056)
Just west of it is Ocotillo Wells. You can rent a quad bike and tour around it for an afternoon. There is a fossil reef (oyster shells), an odd rock formation called the pumpkin patch, some mud with mysterious subterranean gas that bubbles out, and general desert scenery. A little further west is Anza Borrega. More desert, but there is a nice hike through the desert to a palm tree oasis which just sort of pops up out of nowhere. Outside the town are inexplicable (unless you read about it) huge steel sculptures.
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by krallja on Saturday July 17, 2021 @04:29PM (#27868567)
I had my family stop by a few years ago because I had heard about it in a What-If? https://what-if.xkcd.com/152/

I wouldn't recommend it. The route we took was through a residential area. The neighbors did not seem like they wanted us to be there. We went to the water's edge, smelled the "objectionable," "noxious," "unique," and "pervasive" odor (as described by the US Geological Survey), looked at the shitty beach, and left. There's not much to do.

Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by MisterTea on Saturday July 17, 2021 @06:56PM (#27869452)
That's because it's slum tourism and residents hate being the unwilling cast of a sideshow attraction. "Oh honey, look at the locals inhaling the toxic plume wafting off this mess we can safely leave behind forever in a few minutes. Say cheese!"

There's a neighborhood by me which has earned a similar reputation and the residents have been known to tell slum tourists to leave.

Its gross. Don't do that.

Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by phlakaton on Sunday July 18, 2021 @11:33AM (#27873748)
I disagree. People who don't go to see the Salton Sea and its consequences are free to ignore it. But seeing it will put an likely-indelible memory in your head that will stick with you, and might give you some much-needed context about why people are fighting to do something about it.

The key of course, is to travel with respect. Bombay Beach is probably not a place for casual selfies and party times.

There is still beauty there, for people who can look past the unpleasant. A state visitor center with the whole wild history of the place. Beaches made out of pulverized tilapia bone and shell. Fields of obsidian. The zonked-out but earnest spirituality of Salvation Mountain. Date shakes from Westmorland. Endless sun.

Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by xeromal on Sunday July 18, 2021 @12:08AM (#27870702)
Yeah, most people are there because they grew up there and its their home and most of them are too broke to leave. It's pretty gross. If you want to support the locals, go buy a few dates and gas.
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by krallja on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @06:25PM (#27912967)
I agree. I didn’t realize before we made the stop that there were still people living there. It felt gross for all the reasons you describe, plus the Salton air.
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by Fricken on Saturday July 17, 2021 @04:32PM (#27868602)
For the same reasons people may enjoy playing Fallout 4.
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by eplanit on Saturday July 17, 2021 @04:55PM (#27868794)
For me, it would be because of a great ("great" as in Ed Wood style film-making) movie "The Monster that Challenged the World" (even the title seems low budget).

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050722/

tl;dr "An earthquake in the Salton Sea unleashes a horde of prehistoric mollusk monsters. Discovering the creatures, a Naval officer and several scientists attempt to stop the monsters, but they escape into the canal system of the California's Imperial Valley and terrorize the populace"

Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by tinus_hn on Sunday July 18, 2021 @10:13AM (#27873056)
Fitting in a thread about a documentary narrated by John ‘Pink Flamingoes’ Waters
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by giantg2 on Saturday July 17, 2021 @03:06PM (#27868004)
My big question is, how are there still fish living there to die? I would have thought they would have died out years ago.
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by tmountain on Sunday July 18, 2021 @09:31AM (#27872768)
The documentary talks about this. The salton sea has one of the world's largest tilapia populations. Mass die offs occur, and the dead fish acts as fertilizer. This causes algae blooms to form, which provides an ample food source for the tilapia, and they have a population explosion, rinse and repeat. That said, it sounds like the water is getting saltier all the time, so eventually, it will just be a dead sea if things continue the way they are going.
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by api on Sunday July 18, 2021 @10:04AM (#27872989)
Sounds like a machine to evolve salt and toxicity resistant super tilapia.

“The tilapia raised on Mars were taken from the Salton Sea population…”

Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by desine on Saturday July 17, 2021 @04:08PM (#27868408)
Life... uh... finds a way
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by giantg2 on Saturday July 17, 2021 @04:52PM (#27868772)
Then why did they die?

There are fish that can survive various levels of salt and other conditions. But if the conditions were right for them to survive, reproduce, etc, then why suddenly die? It seems like there could be a cycle since other said they experienced the same die off, but then what is the cause of the cycle and how do any survive to create the carcasses for the next die-off?

Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by lizknope on Saturday July 17, 2021 @05:17PM (#27868939)
The salinity of the Salton Sea is very high. All of the fish that were introduced have died except for tilapia and the desert pupfish. They are the only fish that can tolerate the high salt levels.

https://speciesfishing.com/fishing-the-salton-sea/

There are periodic mass die offs. The most common is because of botulism.

Avian botulism, caused by bacteria, usually occurs in the spring time when the winds are very strong and push all of the old, deoxygenated water from the bottom of the Salton Sea to the top, depleting the oxygen available for the fish, causing them to die. As the fish die, the birds eat them, and get sick from contracting the bacteria. The birds then die and get feasted on by maggots which then infect birds feasting on the maggots. This can result in massive bird mortality. The species most affected by avian botulism are waterfowl and shorebirds.

https://wildlife.ca.gov/Regions/6/Salton-Sea-Birds

Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by giantg2 on Saturday July 17, 2021 @07:09PM (#27869517)
Thanks!
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by desine on Saturday July 17, 2021 @04:59PM (#27868823)
The fish and bird population has been in continuous decline. The lake used to get enough freshwater replenishment to maintain a relatively balanced salinity level and saltwater ecosystem. Now, the salinity is continuously increasing over time. The most hearty specimens are able to survive and reproduce, but much of the wildlife has died out. Large amounts of biomass soak in the saline solution, becoming pickled fish and birds, adding to the scent that others have commented on.

Collapse is not instantaneous. Nor is it all-encompassing. Even left unchecked for another 100 years, you would still find some forms of life present, but not the ones you see today.

Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by phlakaton on Sunday July 18, 2021 @11:39AM (#27873814)
It's boom and bust cycles. Big booms of fish when the conditions are right and the food is plentiful; big die-offs when the conditions swing the other way. There's always been enough fish that survive the bad times to spark the next boom.
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by rantwasp on Saturday July 17, 2021 @02:09PM (#27867591)
except the dog. truly our best friend. pretended to like even that awful place. :)
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by lanstin on Saturday July 17, 2021 @03:05PM (#27867996)
She is a very sweet dog tho not very good signal for will humans like something.
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by edoceo on Saturday July 17, 2021 @03:27PM (#27868128)
These are my favourite dates: https://www.chinaranch.com/

In Tecopa (sorta) - right next to Death Valley.

Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by rcpt on Saturday July 17, 2021 @04:53PM (#27868779)
Wow that font
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by jjtheblunt on Saturday July 17, 2021 @04:56PM (#27868805)
Everyone else uses it as a cautionary tale...except your dog!
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by jhayward on Saturday July 17, 2021 @06:05PM (#27869196)
The Salton sea is just the latest iteration of the cycle of freshwater lakes[1] that form, then dry up in that location in the Colorado River delta. The fact that a canal cut formed the latest one does not distinguish it much from the several version over the last few thousand years of natural formations.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Cahuilla

Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by okareaman on Saturday July 17, 2021 @01:15PM (#27867229)
I had go take a road trip to see for myself. Nearby Slab City is a nightmare, but Salton Sea wasn't too bad for a salt lake in the desert. There are picnic tables and campsites. There's a palm tree farm on the north end. In a little town on the water's edge, I found the sign for the the old Bombay Beach Club: https://imgur.com/a/eifJkzB
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by ravenstine on Saturday July 17, 2021 @01:27PM (#27867332)
I had the opposite experience. I'm normally the kind of person who likes visiting unusual places, but I found nothing appealing about the Salton Sea. The smell was horrendous, there were flies and bees everywhere, and the rural decay wasn't really as impressive as in those artsy HDR photos. It's a horrible place that I vowed never to return to.
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by dntrkv on Saturday July 17, 2021 @09:23PM (#27870109)
That’s what makes it so appealing to me. It was one of the most depressing places I’ve visited. Slab City is even worse. It blew away my expectations. I thought the documentaries and coverage of it were overblown, but no, that place is more fucked up than I ever imagined.
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by okareaman on Saturday July 17, 2021 @01:46PM (#27867451)
I think it depends on the time of year. For example, when I drove to Alaska in the spring, I found the wilderness beautiful, but the locals told me if I had come in the summer I would have been assaulted by swarms of giant mosquitos.
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by winrid on Saturday July 17, 2021 @02:25PM (#27867696)
Sounds like the locals really liked you. :)
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by okareaman on Saturday July 17, 2021 @02:40PM (#27867821)
I don't think they were lying because I saw joke signs declaring the giant mosquito as the Alaska state bird
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by grawprog on Saturday July 17, 2021 @02:57PM (#27867932)
Not just mosquitoes, black flies and horse flies too. I hate fly bites personally. They hurt and they bleed sometimes and flies will pursue you relentlessly. Even if you go into water, they'll just sit and wait for you to resurface.
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by dataviz1000 on Saturday July 17, 2021 @01:30PM (#27867354)
> there were flies and bees everywhere

That's a good thing

Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by scyzoryk_xyz on Saturday July 17, 2021 @01:41PM (#27867424)
We sat down at a table to eat breakfast there during our road trip and within 10 minutes we were swarmed with a horde of disgusting flies. The entire shore was littered with bones from dead fish. The area looks quite ok from the confines of an air conditioned vehicle.
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by forgotmypw17 on Saturday July 17, 2021 @02:02PM (#27867549)
"Disgusting flies"? That's pretty specieist...

You're just passing through where they LIVE

Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by lizknope on Saturday July 17, 2021 @01:26PM (#27867319)
I drove around Slab City so that I could see Salvation Mountain. It was... interesting.

Bombay Beach was scary and depressing.

The smell was fine when I was there but there are frequent massive fish die offs.

Something has to be done about it though. If it dries up (irrigation runoff feeds the lake but irrigation is getting more efficient causing less runoff) then the dry lake bed will blow over Palm Springs and other towns in the area. It's full of toxic dust now.

Migrating birds also use it as a stopover point because we have gotten rid of so many natural wetlands.

Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by suzzer99 on Saturday July 17, 2021 @01:45PM (#27867445)
I love exploring around the Salton Sea because it feels like a post-apocalyptic version of the US. You're definitely not going for the aesthetics.
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by sidewndr46 on Saturday July 17, 2021 @01:24PM (#27867306)
Isn't Slab City just a place that people go because they can squat there and no one cares?
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by monetus on Saturday July 17, 2021 @01:30PM (#27867351)
It is romanticized among other things.
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by colordrops on Saturday July 17, 2021 @01:38PM (#27867405)
There are definitely addicts out there but I went with my family and met some nice people a few years ago. The art installation was interesting and the hippies running the library gave my kid a book. I wouldn't want to live out there for sure though.
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by suzzer99 on Saturday July 17, 2021 @01:47PM (#27867457)
There are a lot of artists, and they even have a "club" made up of old abandoned couches where they have occasional outdoor concerts. It's pretty wild.
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by tomc1985 on Saturday July 17, 2021 @02:42PM (#27867839)
Slab City is it's own thing. It was probably a nightmare because they are not trying to appeal to you... or anyone

I think it's the only semilegal squatting village in California

Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by jakear on Saturday July 17, 2021 @02:28PM (#27867717)
Huh. I’ve been to Salton Sea a couple times and always really enjoy it. Nice place to kayak, the mist over the sea with the surrounding mountains makes it very picturesque the right time of day, and there aren’t motorboats flying by every second blasting music like you get with most lakes open to boating in SoCal.

I’ve only been in winter, which I’m sure helps. I certainly wouldn’t want to go in >100 degree heat.

Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by devoutsalsa on Saturday July 17, 2021 @04:30PM (#27868582)
I've been there once. It's a super weird place. I stopped by Salton City on the west side of the lake (https://goo.gl/maps/ksWdbiRFfpnUBE6X8). The town has 50% nice-ish, occupied homes & 50% derelict buildings that looked like dilapidated crack houses. The shore was super stinky, covered with dead fish (tilapia I assume) & the smell you'd expect to go with it.
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by hutzlibu on Saturday July 17, 2021 @06:15PM (#27869255)
"Even if they do it terribly, I doubt they'll make anything worse."

You can always make things worse.

So I hope this will not be an excuse to be even more careless with the exploitation, even though more lithium is beneficial, too.

Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by tbonesteaks on Saturday July 17, 2021 @10:34PM (#27870403)
This quick video on the Salton Sea is very informative: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCYcSbCR6z4
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by NeoVeles on Sunday July 18, 2021 @04:13AM (#27871499)
Normally I would be against a proposal like this. However looking at the history and state of the Salton sea - we cannot make it any worse. This looks like a win-win situation.
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by skittleson on Sunday July 18, 2021 @12:58AM (#27870858)
Totally agree. It's so bad out there. What's the worst they can do?!
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by b20000 on Sunday July 18, 2021 @10:29AM (#27873220)
this is bad news as it is close to palm springs, and anything like this should be kept out of the LA area.
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by samstave on Saturday July 17, 2021 @01:05PM (#27867144)
HoldMyCarbonCredits while we make the Salton Sea a SuperFund-Site! [0]

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Anyone know how recoverable Lithium is from Lithium batts? Does the Lithium degrade/denature/deconstruct over time in all lithium batteries? How bad for the environment is all the Lithium we are throwing out with all these used up batteries?

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Superfund_sites

Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by nitrogen on Saturday July 17, 2021 @01:22PM (#27867287)
Lithium is everywhere, especially in salt lakes. A long time ago I met someone whose family ran a mineral extraction company, of which there are many around Salt Lake City. They take the lake water and evaporate it. The main non-water ingredient in the concentrated brine was lithium.

(Though the guy was drinking the stuff as a supplement, which probably affected his personality a bit)

Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by antisthenes on Saturday July 17, 2021 @01:39PM (#27867413)
That tidbit about drinking it is the most interesting part of this whole thread!

Are they the same lithium salts that are prescribed as medication for certain psychological disorders?

Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by _Nat_ on Saturday July 17, 2021 @02:02PM (#27867546)
Yup!

Dunno if modern medications may also include other active-ingredients to compliment lithium, but lithium itself is pretty much the same thing as sodium or potassium in terms of its simplicity as a chemical species.

Since lithium has a +1 charge as a cation (positively charged ion) in salt, it needs to be balanced with an anion (negatively charged ion), so the exact salt can vary in solid-form. But once it dissolves in water, such as in the body, then it's not really bound to the anion anymore and so the exact anion it was originally ingested with isn't particularly important.

Apparently some people used to drink [mineral water with lithium](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithia_water).

Reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_(medication)

Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by learc83 on Saturday July 17, 2021 @03:32PM (#27868156)
I grew up in Lithia Springs. They still bottle and sell the water from the spring.
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by jdavis703 on Saturday July 17, 2021 @06:34PM (#27869346)
No, the drug lithium carbonate is just that. It’s literally a powder that comes in a capsule.
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by Tagbert on Saturday July 17, 2021 @04:12PM (#27868444)
The first thing recovered from salvaged batteries will be the cobalt and similar materials in the electrodes. Those are much less plentiful than lithium.
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by ashtonkem on Saturday July 17, 2021 @02:48PM (#27867879)
Elements tend to not degrade quickly outside of nuclear reactors as a general rule.
Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by sdenton4 on Saturday July 17, 2021 @01:22PM (#27867288)
lithium recovery: https://trace.tennessee.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3421...

Seems possible; not sure of economic value at this particular point in history. There's a bunch of recent headlines about trivial extraction of lithium from seawater, so might get less economically feasible if those techs pan out. OTOH, even if it's not obviously worth it, you could try burying it all in one place and then 'mine' it once the economics swing towards recovery.

Re:GM has signed an agreement to extract lithium from beneat... by parsecs on Saturday July 17, 2021 @01:20PM (#27867271)
There is only a tiny bit of lithium in lithium batteries, afaik.