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Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by Someone1234 on Thursday April 15, 2021 @11:37AM (#26821754)
People haven't really grasped yet that the future of fitness isn't equipment it is ecosystems.

You look at something like Peloton and your natural instinct is to compare it to other equipment manufacturers, but that's wrong. Consumers aren't spending 50% more of Peloton because a Peloton bike/tred is 50% better than their nearest competitor. People are spending that money to be in the Peloton ecosystem. To work out with friends in Peloton.

So I say to people that Apple is Peloton's biggest competitor, and they look at me like I'm a moron. Because they see equipment and I see ecosystems. I believe fitness will be the next "social media" land rush, and most traditional equipment makers are unprepared (they're naively copying Peloton on features without really grasping what Peloton is building).

PS - Phase 1: Social Media Fitness, Phase 2: Gamification of Fitness (apps/games inc. achievements tied directly into equipment, like the "iPhone" of fitness equipment).

Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by technofiend on Thursday April 15, 2021 @12:16PM (#26822415)
>People haven't really grasped yet that the future of fitness isn't equipment it is ecosystems.

You're right but I hate that future, to be honest. I don't really want to buy a Garmin phone to talk to my Garmin watch so I can buy into their ecosystem. Apple watches may be fantastic but there are still better dedicated fitness watches out there and frankly the idea of a watch dictating my cellphone choice (as the Apple Watch does) makes me completely reject the idea of buying that watch.

Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by rstupek on Thursday April 15, 2021 @12:20PM (#26822463)
I think the ecosystem being referred to isn't the device ecosystem but the "social network" sharing ecosystem
Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by technofiend on Thursday April 15, 2021 @01:16PM (#26823379)
Oh, you're right. I see that now. Having said that Apple isn't really big on cross-platform features either. I don't see a Facetime Android client, for example, and have no expectation they'd make Apple Fitness+ work on anything but their own devices; after all the byline is "Apple Fitness+ ... powered by Apple Watch." And since the watch requires their phone that's a big investment if you just want to exercise with friends.
Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by eric_h on Thursday April 15, 2021 @06:43PM (#26827121)
> Having said that Apple isn't really big on cross-platform features either.

While I generally agree with you, Apple is putting apple tv+ on roku - it's not a stretch to suggest they would use a similar strategy for fitness+:

https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/13/22381067/apple-tv-plus-ro...

Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by 2muchcoffeeman on Thursday April 15, 2021 @05:11PM (#26826162)
These sorts of things are probably going to appeal to people who just want a bit of a sweat.

Everyone else is going to the gym because they don’t want to look at another screen, or they want to hang out with other people, or they realise you can’t learn to snatch from YouTube. Etc.

Traditional gyms and activity aren’t going anywhere.

Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by skinnymuch on Thursday April 15, 2021 @02:29PM (#26824388)
FaceTime was supposed to be open source or an open protocol (I think the latter) once upon a time a decade ago.
Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by MBCook on Thursday April 15, 2021 @02:47PM (#26824606)
My understanding of the story is Steve Jobs just decided to say that when he announced it without checking with the lawyers, and it probably ran into patent problems.
Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by skinnymuch on Thursday April 22, 2021 @11:54AM (#26904201)
Ah okay. I know he announced it without checking first. It would have been nice for Apple to clarify why it could not happen. Hard to give the corporation that just gutted advertising for other companies while now pumping their own ad network up, any benefit of the doubt that isn’t a cynical view.
Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by dagmx on Thursday April 15, 2021 @02:32PM (#26824421)
Fitness+ already integrates with third party devices via GymKit however.
Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by newsclues on Thursday April 15, 2021 @12:34PM (#26822699)
How long until device and social media networks are linked?
Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by PeterisP on Thursday April 15, 2021 @08:52PM (#26828039)
Oculus and Facebook is an indication of something like that; can't use your Oculus without your Facebook account.
Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by lancesells on Thursday April 15, 2021 @01:42PM (#26823719)
They already are aren't they? Most social networks launch on iOS only at the beginning.
Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by anonymouse008 on Thursday April 15, 2021 @11:56AM (#26822056)
> You look at something like Peloton and your natural instinct is to compare it to other equipment manufacturers, but that's wrong. Consumers aren't spending 50% more of Peloton because a Peloton bike/tred is 50% better than their nearest competitor. People are spending that money to be in the Peloton ecosystem. To work out with friends in Peloton.

Did you just say 'Crossfit' without saying 'Crossfit'?

'Gyms' without saying 'Gyms'?

I agree, these products realize that the physical movement via machine is only one part of the greater whole... if these companies can replicate the rest of the Gym/CF/WE experience, there is a great win hiding in plain sight.

Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by watwut on Thursday April 15, 2021 @04:36PM (#26825810)
Gyms are about equipment. They are not social places. You don't go hang around there. You don't talk to people there.
Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by oarsinsync on Thursday April 15, 2021 @06:07PM (#26826759)
Mine was. It had a pool table in the entrance too. I used to go to the gym on a Saturday morning to sweat out the hangover and chat shit with the others doing the same.

My friends was. It was a grotty thing in the basement. It was primarily about the equipment. It was a lifting gym. The folk that went there would hang out, help each other, and talk plenty. They all had a common interest: lifting. They also thought people like me in my gym above were posers. That’s fine too.

Not everyone uses a gym the same way. Not all gyms are the same.

Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by anonymouse008 on Thursday April 15, 2021 @06:13PM (#26826812)
Ah, there are plenty of other ways to communicate than just talking...

Perhaps this won’t be replicated in the digital sphere, but the identity behind “leader boards” and physical aspirationals, which I believe these digital offerings still provide, is an effective means to create community and followings.

Heck a couple great friendships began in silence for months, with strict social distancing before it was cool

Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by clairity on Thursday April 15, 2021 @12:35PM (#26822716)
it's not just ecosystem => network effects => winner take all. apple is trying to skim the cream off the top with fitness+ like they did with music and itunes, but the market characteristics are different here.

first, the market opportunity is much smaller. everyone listens to music (and has a phone nowadays). that's a huge reachable market. only the well-off will pay for fitness+, so you're looking at <20% of everyone to start.

second, music was already in the transition from physical (cd's) to digital (mp3's) to streaming (just waiting for high-speed internet penetration). the fitness market is not in that same transition. it's still constrained by the physical world, no matter how 'social' it gets.

third, peloton's hardware is what makes the ecosystem, not the other way around (which is apple's strategy). it creates a halo of influence around the purchaser through price and product that apple simply can't replicate with just an apple tv, a watch, and a subscription. (i don't like peloton personally, but the market dynamics here are recognizable)

i'd be surprised if fitness+ really takes off. it has narrow appeal, a relatively high price, and little cachet or differentiation. zooming out, apple's "plus" strategy overall strays away from their strength in hardware-based consumer products, and i'm skeptical they can differentiate enough to retain that business long term, whereas homekit, carkit, and the like couch very neatly into that strength, and likely represents durable future expansion.

Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by Jtsummers on Thursday April 15, 2021 @12:44PM (#26822876)
> i'd be surprised if fitness+ really takes off. it has narrow appeal, a relatively high price, and little cachet or differentiation.

Fitness+ comes with one of the tiers of Apple One. That makes it "free" to the user. Let's say you only wanted Music, TV+, and the storage (especially useful if you have multiple iDevices in your family and you want cloud backup):

Music - $9.99 individual, or $14.99 family

TV+ - $4.99 (already at $20 for a family here)

2TB Storage - $9.99 (now we're at $30)

So Fitness+, News+, and Arcade are "free" additions if you get Apple One Premier. Of course, you need an Apple Watch to use Fitness+ but you can use it with any garage sale treadmill, bike, rowing machine, yoga mat, dumbbell set, etc.

And if you have the Apple Watch you've already been able to drop things like Runkeeper and Strava for tracking running and cycling.

Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by clairity on Thursday April 15, 2021 @01:00PM (#26823121)
yah, but $30/mo literally puts it out of reach for 60+% of households, and that's on top of buying an apple tv and an apple watch for each user. that's just part of the narrowness of its appeal.

apple has historically targeted the mass premium customer segment, able to command a higher price and still entice the broader public to buy. fitness+ (and apple one) has the higher price but not the broader appeal. it's just not differentiated enough.

a personal anecdote: i've had apple tv+ for free for the past year and have watched it maybe a half dozen times. the shows are so overproduced to be tone-deaf. they're now trying to buy their way into the market via awards, so we'll see if that turns into any compelling content and moreover, more subscriptions.

Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by skinnymuch on Thursday April 15, 2021 @02:35PM (#26824453)
What are the tone deaf shows you’re talking about? The Morning Show for sure is one. The other 3 shows I’ve watched have been good to great. Tone deaf is a very common attribute of media any way.
Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by clairity on Thursday April 15, 2021 @03:53PM (#26825371)
i honestly can't remember offhand, it was that unmemorable. maybe i should have said staid or sterile rather than tone-deaf.

apple tv+ is just not robust or differentiated enough from netflix, hbo, disney+, or anything else to be a thing. disney+ goes all-in on family, while hbo goes all-in on adult. netflix has the all-you-can-eat buffet model where you'll be comforted to find something, anything, to watch in a pinch. apple tv+ has nothing like that. there's no brand or identity to form a memorable market segment around.

Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by skinnymuch on Thursday April 22, 2021 @11:53AM (#26904188)
Ah okay. I find Disney+, marvel, abc, cbs to be tone deaf. Sure that’s part of their identity. It’s still not good. I’d take Apple TV+ over CBS, ABC, Disney+ any day. Even if it never gets any more content.
Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by freewilly1040 on Thursday April 15, 2021 @01:03PM (#26823165)
Apple One lacks a compelling tentpole offering that most people would want. TV+ is what, the 4th place streaming subscription service? Apple music has 1/2 the market share of Spotify. Storage, maybe, but 2TB is quite a lot and I doubt most customers are buying that much.
Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by vineyardmike on Thursday April 15, 2021 @01:13PM (#26823319)
I suspect most people see Apple One as Apple Music + <the other service they want> and they get the other 5 for free.
Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by ksec on Thursday April 15, 2021 @03:38PM (#26825208)
Yes. That is why apart from Apple Music+ ( and iCloud ), all the other services does not have a fix COGS to each user but large one off cost.
Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by skinnymuch on Thursday April 15, 2021 @02:32PM (#26824428)
The storage goes from 200GB to 2 TB. 200 GB isn’t hard to use up in a family. Even 2 TB could be not enough for a family that uses iCloud to host most of their photos and videos. Apple’s storage pricing is super lame for a company that is so profitable. Really scraping at the edges with the silly pricing.
Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by ballenf on Thursday April 15, 2021 @02:18PM (#26824247)
2TB would be a rare purchase if the next tier down weren't 1/10 the size.
Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by batter on Thursday April 15, 2021 @12:57PM (#26823079)
While they're investing in marketing / engineering and they'll see user base grows, especially if products is free or almost free. But at some point of time question will come to revenue per user. And that will be completely different problem.
Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by Jtsummers on Thursday April 15, 2021 @01:19PM (#26823409)
In this specific case, Fitness+ is relatively cheap to produce (all the content is theirs except for the music, but they already have a good relationship with music producers) and cheap to distribute. They make 1-3 new videos per instructor a week. I doubt it's costing them much per user to distribute the content. However, the Apple Watch is a nice profitable device for them and Fitness+ requires Apple Watch. So for anyone who already has the highest tier subscription (probably a decent chunk of multi-iDevice families out there) they will find themselves having Fitness+ but being unable to use it, which creates one extra motivator to buy an Apple Watch.

That's where they end up making money anyways, 75% or so of their revenue is from device sales (computers, phones, tablets, watches, etc.). The services help to keep people within that hardware ecosystem which gets people onto the upgrade cycle or to consider a second or third Apple device instead of just having one.

Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by LeSaucy on Thursday April 15, 2021 @11:42AM (#26821831)
NordicTrack/iFit is a great example of equipment manufacturers that just don't get it.
Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by shanecleveland on Thursday April 15, 2021 @12:28PM (#26822614)
How do you mean? Just curious because my wife, who always hated running, is killing it with a NordicTrack treadmill and iFit. She bought a shirt to support her favorite instructor, she is part of some Facebook groups, and talks quite a bit about the "experience" of each run.

I don't quite get it myself, so I am not advocating for one or the other. But it seems to be working for her.

Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by mikestew on Thursday April 15, 2021 @01:13PM (#26823320)
I'm with sibling commenter, how so? We got a year of iFit with the rowing machine, and considering that my wife uses it several times a week on both rower and treadmill, I'll probably renew it when the time comes in a few months. In the case of the rower, it's nice in that it will adjust the resistance automatically.

I mostly use Apple Fitness+ when on the rower, but iFit is nice in that it is not restricted to studio workouts. There is a far deeper library on iFit, and more variety. Outdoor workouts, indoor if that's your thing, a "Time to Walk" equivalent before Apple thought of it. I don't know if we'll renew the sub or not, but I think iFit gets it just fine.

Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by Graffur on Thursday April 15, 2021 @12:16PM (#26822401)
I am surprised they look at you like a moron. Myself and all my friends have fitbits. The reason we all have and use fitbits is because that is what we're all connected on. If one friend got a functionally better but cheaper watch off Amazon they wouldn't be able to join us in our group challenges and comparisons. This has actually happened a few times but after a while that person got what the group had.

That being said there are apps that bring this up a level and let you connect multiple products and devices. If one of these apps becomes popular then it's less dependent on what device you own.

Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by et-al on Thursday April 15, 2021 @03:35PM (#26825169)
> Phase 1: Social Media Fitness, Phase 2: Gamification of Fitness

We definitely saw this with Nike+ back in the late naughts [0]. Then Strava in the mid-teens, and now Peloton.

Competitive people want to compete with their friends, not just against themselves.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nike%2B

Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by gumby on Thursday April 15, 2021 @01:14PM (#26823339)
That's true, and what makes this decision so foolish. By raising the bar slightly they are inducing some people to choose Fitness+.

Avoiding this is why Apple made the iPod compatible with Windows.

Spotify is thriving on Apple platforms even though Apple has had its own music products for longer than Spotify has been around.

Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by kitsunesoba on Thursday April 15, 2021 @01:57PM (#26823941)
> Spotify is thriving on Apple platforms even though Apple has had its own music products for longer than Spotify has been around.

Some portion of Spotify's success, I'd argue, is that they were the first successful entrant in the streaming space. The product isn't particularly remarkable compared to other options and in fact has some notable downsides (such as its ever-changing-for-unclear-reasons UI) but it's what people know and thus what people use.

It having a free ad-supported plan is also a massive factor, but I suppose that would fall under "lowering the bar".

Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by ksec on Thursday April 15, 2021 @03:41PM (#26825245)
>The product isn't particularly remarkable compared to other options

It is not that Spotify is exceptionally good, it is just the others are comically bad.

Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by nnlsoccer on Thursday April 15, 2021 @03:16PM (#26824941)
Phase 3: Connection of all Apple health fitness tracking/health tracking data. As wearables and body data monitoring continue to evolve and increase the number of bio markers/biometrics measured, apple is poised to integrate these in a way that Peloton and other fitness focused brands may or may not be.
Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by ksec on Thursday April 15, 2021 @03:35PM (#26825167)
Phase 4: Those aggregate data from Millions of users provides additional insight that is only available from Apple. Health Insurance with these Data ( and your consent to use it ) will get better offers and Apple gets commissions. ( Services Revenue )
Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by nnlsoccer on Thursday April 15, 2021 @03:51PM (#26825345)
Agreed. That is certainly the dark side of that path. From a user/patient perspective, the interesting side of that equation might be a world where those biometrics are tracked and integrated (with your consent) with an EHR so that your doctor can see continuous metrics in a way that is actionable for clinical decision making.
Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by voisin on Friday April 16, 2021 @07:15AM (#26832449)
I agree with you and find it interesting that (so far) Apple is leaving actual equipment (beyond the watch) outside of its usual close integration of hardware and software. Users need 3rd party equipment (treadmill or rower or bike) for 3 of the exercises (which are likely the most popular exercises on Fitness+). Currently outside of very expensive commercial equipment with GymKit, there are no good options and it honestly leads to a horrible experience using 3rd party apps or missing key information (cadence, strokes per minute, etc) from your workout in Apple Health.

I am hopeful Apple pushes hard on GymKit in retail equipment otherwise I think Peloton’s ecosystem will prevail. It just works.

Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by dkrich on Thursday April 15, 2021 @12:51PM (#26822997)
I don’t think this is a controversial take. Most everyone buying a Peloton is doing so because of the classes, the bike is just a status symbol.
Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by michaelt on Thursday April 15, 2021 @11:56AM (#26822070)
Tell me more about how 'working out with friends' works on Peloton.

I've only tried online exercise classes once or twice, but there hasn't been much social interaction - everyone's on mute, and a few feet away from the screen and keyboard to have space for their activities.

Or is it more the Strava-style 'log your exercise and get likes and gamified motivation' asynchronous model?

Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by Someone1234 on Thursday April 15, 2021 @12:08PM (#26822281)
Here are some of the social features Peloton are building:

https://blog.onepeloton.com/peloton-community-features/

Leaderboard: Compete with friends/others.

Tags: Like groups/circles, you can be invited/invite on the basis or compete with people in that tag.

High Fives: A "Like"

Following Friends: Essentially their fitness "stream" showing what they've done/are doing.

Video Chatting: Chat with friends while you workout together.

Plus you'll get alerted when a friend is in a class, encouraging you to join them.

https://blog.onepeloton.com/peloton-sessions/

Schedule workouts with friends, compare each other on the leaderboard.

Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by matwood on Thursday April 15, 2021 @12:08PM (#26822278)
The biggest 'social' part is that my friends and I end up doing the same rides, and even though it's at different times we end up competing and chasing each other. I had some goals I thought were going to take months, but I've already blown threw them b/c I could chase my friends ghost on his ride. If I do a ride first, I text it out to everyone basically throwing the down gauntlet.

There's also a talent component. I've done everything from spin, to weight classes, to powerlifting for many years when I was younger, and the Peloton trainers are very good. They are good motivators, and they have taught me quite a few warmup techniques I'm carrying to other areas as life gets back to normal. YMMV.

Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by hcurtiss on Thursday April 15, 2021 @12:00PM (#26822136)
I haven't used it, but my 10 year old daughter seems to enjoy riding at the same time as her friend. Evidently, they share a real time a mutual video chat. You both join the same class and one of you finds the other in the list of participants and request to chat.
Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by zozin on Thursday April 15, 2021 @12:23PM (#26822520)
I don't really see Apple Fitness+ and Peloton as competitors. First, the Peloton bike/equipment is both targeted at and only really make sense for the 1%. Apple's hardware is a few hundred bucks and has insane usability beyond Fitness+.

If you're speaking about just the apps and not hardware, again, I don't think they're direct competitors. Peloton's app sans Peloton hardware is basically just YouTube videos... There are dozens of content producers that cater to everyone's style or form of working out. Why pay Peloton $13/mo. just to get into the ecosystem? An ecosystem that was designed from the ground-up for people who make +$100K/yr., so the average American probably doesn't have friends who are using Peloton's app. Apple Fitness+ on the other-hand is designed to work in tandem with your cheapish Apple Watch. The fusion between hardware and software is where the magic happens. Peloton doesn't have that unless you have a spare bedroom + $3,000 to spend on fitness upfront.

Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by nradov on Thursday April 15, 2021 @12:34PM (#26822713)
Tonal and Zwift are also trying to build the same sort of fitness ecosystems as Peleton. Tonal has a wall mounted display for weight training with instructors. Zwift is designing their own smart bike (and maybe a treadmill too). Too early to say if they'll succeed.
Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by TameAntelope on Thursday April 15, 2021 @12:41PM (#26822816)
The other article on the front page must make you feel pretty correct, then!

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26819577

Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by mtberatwork on Thursday April 15, 2021 @12:01PM (#26822160)
> Phase 1: Social Media Fitness, Phase 2: Gamification of Fitness

Seems like Zwift is Peloton's biggest competitor then?

Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by Someone1234 on Thursday April 15, 2021 @12:16PM (#26822412)
It is definitely one to keep a close eye on. This whole land rush is just getting started, but as it heats up if Zwift can keep up growth they could benefit greatly (be it directly or via a tech company buying them).
Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by cglace on Thursday April 15, 2021 @12:04PM (#26822207)
I really like zwift but I don't find it motivates me at all.
Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by throwawaygh on Thursday April 15, 2021 @12:27PM (#26822599)
My general impression is that zwift caters to the "serious cyclist" crowd and peloton caters to the more typical (upper middle class) consumer. It's a bit silly to spend $3K (and space!) on a standing exercise bike when you already have at least one bike in the $3K range and often a second in the $10K+ range, both of which you'd probably prefer riding on trainer over Peloton anyways.
Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by _the_inflator on Thursday April 15, 2021 @03:37PM (#26825195)
I totally agree.

Also Corona: Outdoor sports is one of the few accepted social activities, at least in some parts.

Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by xbar on Thursday April 15, 2021 @03:49PM (#26825329)
Surges coincide.
Re:Apple Fitness+ introduces new workouts, trainers, and Tim... by shoulderfake on Thursday April 15, 2021 @07:02PM (#26827271)
Here's what I know: Nobody that's legit fit has a peloton. They train on their own in the gym or they do crossfit. This is apart from the people I know who play sports competitively. What does Peloton give you that crossfit doesnt?