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Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by codemac on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @04:06PM (#24412544)
Personally, I struggle with these feelings as well.

It seems nuts that someone working 50%+ less than someone else is going to keep all the same equity, vacation, and salary. Then again it seems nuts that they don't.

All employees who had children or family members to care for before or after COVID get none of the same support. I don't think backpay is coming for those who were forced to take leave or even quit their jobs when they had family they had to care for.

It isn't "unfair" or something, parents with kids of certain ages have a much higher burden right now than most, and our society should support them.

That support won't exist for anything exceptional, and for diseases like autism, alzheimer's or cancer, we've normalized the experience and force individuals to just handle it. It's hard to see how far some companies are willing to go for parents today, when I see how little we do for others.

Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by treeman79 on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @04:15PM (#24412698)
Have small elementary age kids. It’s rough. 8-10 interruptions the first couple hours of work. Then meltdown over being hungry.

Then afternoon interruptions because they are bored. Lots of crappy reasons, but also because they want me to spend time with them.

Also dealing with my own chronic illness. I was managing to cope/hide before Covid.

Between it all is a sense of guilt of not getting enough done for work and not supporting kids enough.

Other day I got a note under the door asking if I would draw a cat. Man talk about breaking heart.

Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by bladegash on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @08:16PM (#24415207)
Single dad to a 4 and 7 year old, so I feel you man. In addition to the things you mentioned, the extra messes to clean, dishes to do, trash to take out, cooking, etc. can become really overwhelming.

Between trying to juggle it all, not only feel like I’m letting down my work, but my kids as well. They don’t understand why I can’t spend as much time with them while I’m working, nor is it their fault that I’m so much more tired during the times when I would have spent time with them previously.

You aren’t alone man and we’re all doing the best we can with a really tough situation. Try to be as kind to yourself as possible during all this and don’t be afraid to ask find solutions that ease some of the burden.

Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by QuercusMax on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @04:31PM (#24412951)
It's not much better with older kids either; I have 3 teens with mental health issues (depression/anxiety/migraines/ADHD) which have gotten worse with 6 months sheltering-in-place.
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by treeman79 on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @05:00PM (#24413307)
Me and kids have adhd and migraines.

Migraines for them have improved greatly since they are away from harsh lighting.

Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by seattletech on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @05:50PM (#24413908)
Yeah. Dealing with a teen right now who feels completely isolated. Hanging in there.
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by mac1175 on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @11:14AM (#24421923)
I have a tween with ADHD, dyslexia, and anxiety. I spend a lot of check in times with her because last school year's remote learning was rough.
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by ChrisMarshallNY on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @05:49PM (#24413894)
{{QuercusMax}}

Know your pain. Hang in there. You're doing good work.

Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by codemac on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @04:19PM (#24412778)
That sounds incredibly difficult. I hope you find ways to cope. I hope you get support from your company, or more than you are getting now.
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by treeman79 on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @04:31PM (#24412960)
On Job #3 since being injured.

Chronic conditions ebb and flow, sometimes I’m a great employee and sometimes I’m horrible. Hell sometimes I can’t even see the computer.

Turns out people/companies get tired of it after awhile. So limiting meetings and working solo when I can on large tricky projects is how I’m rolling.

I can solve stuff most can’t. I just need a lot of time to do it.

Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by throw554324 on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @02:40AM (#24417964)
Taking care of elderly parents can be equally rough.
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by eyesbear on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @04:20PM (#24412781)
Did your kid like the cat you drew?
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by treeman79 on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @04:58PM (#24413270)
Cat in question https://ibb.co/ZVfjzB3
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by klmadfejno on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @07:50PM (#24414998)
This cat is so high quality that it changes my reaction of the situation from empathetic and concerned to optimistic and impressed. I think there is nothing heartbreaking about your situation if you're dropping cats of this caliber to anonymous door notes.
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by silasdavis on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @02:53AM (#24418038)
Agreed no-one who can draw this level of cat deserves our sympathy.
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by zrail on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @07:39PM (#24414920)
Excellent cat A++++++++ would pet. Agree with sibling, this is the only good subthread in this trash fire.
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by rdtwo on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @06:44PM (#24414478)
Cat made my day the rest of this thread is a dumpster fire
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by _coveredInBees on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @10:24PM (#24416191)
Couldn't agree more with you. It's been pretty eye opening to me just how toxic the general dude-bro workaholic culture in Silicon Valley / tech is. There is just astounding levels of lack of empathy amongst so many commenters here.

So glad I never moved to the West coast when I had the chance. Instead I get to live in a nice spacious house with a half-acre lot, a fenced in yard to enjoy with my kids and dog, and work at a great small-business/startup in ML with great colleagues, excellent work-life balance, and the main company motto being - Don't hire assholes, and don't work for assholes. It's been working fantastic for several years now!

Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by nazgulsenpai on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @05:11PM (#24413431)
Hey, that's pretty good!
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by treeman79 on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @06:15PM (#24414197)
Thanks!
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by nick_ on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @10:14AM (#24421177)
When did HN start pulling in comment threads from reddit? ;)
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by treeman79 on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @04:27PM (#24412884)
Very much
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by pnw_hazor on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @05:33PM (#24413718)
Thanks for sharing the cat sketch bit. It reminded me of some great times.

I am a recent empty nester. I don't like it much.

Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by MacsHeadroom on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @06:00PM (#24414031)
Move to an area where you can afford a house on one income or two half incomes and stop working so much. If you want to raise a family, raise one. That's your choice.

If you want other people to subsidize your productivity and/or income so you can live beyond your means in an area where you can't afford to raise a family, then that's a big ask.

Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by woah on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @06:12PM (#24414164)
We all subsidize those who live in rural and suburban areas, whether through direct subsidies for highways and internet access, or hidden subsidies like their increased impact on global warming because of all their driving.

It's better for the planet and better for people to live in urban areas, and the only reason that rural areas are cheaper is that they don't have to deal with the shortage of housing caused by urban zoning restrictions.

We all suffer from long time urban homeowners who won't allow increased density so that they can leach off everyone else's economic productivity. It's time for permissive nationwide by-right zoning standards.

Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by wrkronmiller on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @06:21PM (#24414254)
This is a bad take.

COVID is an exceptional and temporary situation.

Everyone has highs and lows (great successes, terrible personal problems/tragedies/etc...) throughout their careers. The only difference between this circumstance and any other is that it's impacting many people at once.

If, for example, you got COVID and were put on a ventilator for a month, how would you react to finding out that you had lost your job? Would you want to take it on the chin and down-size, or would you be upset that your employer didn't show the basic decency to (at a bare minimum) re-hire you once you were recovered?

Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by avh02 on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @08:06AM (#24420096)
I'm just sad you think there's decency in being rehired in a situation like that, you shouldn't even be fired to start with!

Times like this I'm glad I didn't pick the US as a place to live.

Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by ineedasername on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @11:10AM (#24421883)
First, rather than look at these necessary accomodations as something workers shouldn't get, you should look at it as a very useful bit of flexibility that all workers should receive.

You are thinking about this from a single perspective, but it is a massively complicated & interconnected issue.

For one other perspective, consider what would happen is companies didn't do what you call "subsidizing". Effected employees can't then keep their job, they have to take leave or find another job all together. That's bad for the company which loses experienced employees and must now pay to identify, recruit, and train a new person, who doesn't know as much about how things run in that business. That person is going to be much less efficient for 6-months to 1-year before they are completely comfortable. You are then subsidizing them instead.

Or consider a broader economic perspective: Let's imagine companies say they won't subsidize like this and impacted people have to take a 10% pay cut. Over 60% of the workforce in the US is white collar, jobs more likely to be WFH possible. That works out to about 79,000,000 workers. Average salary for White Collar jobs is $60,000. Let's say 1/3 need to work from home for family reasons, and they all take a 10% pay cut. That means the economy loses $158 Billion dollars. That is nearly 1% of our GDP, just in that one move, and it doesn't end there: Those people cut back spending. Areas heavy with such workers, like major cities, SV, etc., suddenly have a huge % of their customer base that has to cut back spending. Businesses like restaurants etc., already hurting, take another hit because 1/3 of 60% of all workers (works out to about 18% of the total workforce) now has to cut back discretionary spending. Even if that accounts for only half their 10% pay cut, that's equivalent to almost a 10% reduction in customer base.

Or consider it from a healthcare standpoint: Putting additional stress on this portion of the workforce will have significantly higher stress if "unsubsidized". That translates to more mental health problems, and expensive health care. Some of these workers may lose their insurance if they drop to part-time work, putting an even high burden on the the healthcare system.

Small things can have massive ripple effects. Saying "It's not fair!" is mostly not a helpful guide to resolving complex issues. Right now solutions are needed to keep society running while we get out of this crisis. Approaching it from a narrow sense of fairness is short sited. It won't be fair to the local shops that lose another chunk of their business. It won't be fair to other workers who have to pickup the slack left by a lost employees. If you're going to bring "fair" into things, you can't cherry pick only the one thing. That is one-dimensional thinking. You need to think multi dimensional. You need to consider second and third order effects.

Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by WindyLakeReturn on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @06:16PM (#24414209)
>It's hard to see how far some companies are willing to go for parents today, when I see how little we do for others.

I think much of my own negative emotion about unequal treatment in many sectors of life, not just child care, stems from this. Almost everyone has special unique difficulties they have to deal with that makes their lives harder. By chance, my set are some that are mostly not recognized by others. It isn't that I want to tell others to grin and bear their problems in life because I don't care. It is instead that grinning and bearing has been the only option for me no matter my struggles that I begin to question why it wouldn't work for others as well.

Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by orky56 on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @04:09PM (#24412597)
Outside of US, people expect the government to provide that safety net. In the US, we expect corporations to provide for health insurance, disposable income, and the tools/resources to focus on work. Meals, soda, and Slack work for early 20s fresh grads but not for parents/caregivers.
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by staplers on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @05:35PM (#24413729)
To reinforce this idea: Work expenses are only tax-exempt if you are an employer.
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by x87678r on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @05:29PM (#24413662)
> It seems nuts that someone working 50%+ less than someone else is going to keep all the same equity, vacation, and salary. Then again it seems nuts that they don't.

Is that really true though? In my team parents are still online 40+ hours a week. Definitely if some single person (or parent) is producing double everyone else they should get bonuses or promotion over everyone else.

Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by boringg on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @10:02AM (#24421063)
Agree sounds like a straw man argument from the previous comment. I really don't think parents are down 50%.
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by victords on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @10:57AM (#24421716)
I agree with you that society should support them. But not the companies.

I think the companies should provide benefits uniformly for all its employees, but the government should provide the extra benefits for adverse situations, such as these for parents.

I think Sweden has a similar model (?), where parents have sick days for their children where the government pays your salary when you take these days off to take care of them. I believe it's called VAB.

Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by markus_zhang on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @05:40PM (#24413806)
That's the reason I'm all for socializing child-care. Certain companies have the budget to pull out certain form of "socialized" day-care by purchasing child care from suppliers but most companies can't do that. The state should do that.
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by 9HZZRfNlpR on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @07:42PM (#24414937)
What's the point if things getting closed is for social distancing? Maybe I don't follow but I don't even see how money can solve that besides parents not just working and taking care of their kids.
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by lmm on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @03:06AM (#24418141)
If we'd set an expectation that the government provided childcare, then it would be relatively easy to turn that into the government covering necessary time off for childcare etc.
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by Mirioron on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @06:09PM (#24414133)
Don't forget that parents tend to have a higher life expectancy than people without children: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5484032/
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by semicolonandson on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @01:45AM (#24417616)
This study is for parents born in the 1910s to 1920s. The reasons for being childless then are vastly different to today, so I doubt the results carry.
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by boringg on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @10:08AM (#24421122)
I disagree with you categorizing it at 50% - seems like an arbitrary number that is unrealistically high in addition how do you measure productivity? Time at the desk? As well a lot of non children workers are also equally not as productive so I think you have a straw man argument going on here.

Finally, you miss the truth to the matter. If you are getting paid in equity you want the whole boat to float so short term mindsets such as working less for a couple months vs keeping the whole ship floating as a whole is more important. Imagine all the companies with parents just burned out right now - that's the difference.

Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by Ar-Curunir on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @11:06PM (#24416543)
I mean, don't blame normal people. Blame your company for being a shitty company.
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by jacquesm on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @04:10PM (#24412620)
They are working as much or more. Just not on the same things. It's not as if being a parent somehow translates into more free time, in fact it translates into substantially less free time if any at all.
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by usrusr on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @04:43PM (#24413102)
By that measure, one could get the absurd idea to expect getting paid time off for that woodworking project. It even has "work" right in the name. Nobody does expect that though. Better arguments should be easy to find.
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by jacquesm on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @04:49PM (#24413168)
Woodworking is a hobby. Raising kids is a full time job, no time off, no pay, no changing jobs.
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by smabie on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @08:14PM (#24415199)
I mean, having kids is a hobby too. Both woodworking and having kids are born from free-will and decisions (except in exceptional circumstances).
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by evv on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @09:34PM (#24415768)
Historically, the exceptional circumstance is the free-will you speak of. It is a biological imperative, not a hobby.
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by nicbou on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @05:15PM (#24413475)
What if "woodworking" was replaced with "volunteer firefighting"?
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by garden_hermit on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @06:13PM (#24414178)
If the region is at threat from massive wildfires, yes!

Just the same, if there is an national pandemic that has upended all traditional childcare options, then maybe give some slack to the parents

Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by jacquesm on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @05:58PM (#24414004)
This has to be the all time prize winner in moving the goalposts.
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by nicbou on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @06:01PM (#24414044)
I'm not trying to move goalposts. My point is that parents get a special privilege that people with similarly charitable obligations wouldn't. If I wanted to do something undeniably good for society that is NOT rearing children, my employer wouldn't let me off the hook without a pay cut.
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by baddox on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @11:34PM (#24416765)
Funny how we all seem to have just implicitly accepted that any people having any number of children under any circumstances is “undeniably good for society.”
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by jacquesm on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @06:32AM (#24419531)
Funny, how those that don't have children most likely do expect to have their pensions paid for by the children of the people that do have children.
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by baddox on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @10:40AM (#24421520)
No, we do not expect to have pensions.
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by ethanwillis on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @06:15PM (#24414195)
Maybe instead of focusing on parents getting some flexibility that you don't you should drop that completely and only make the argument that everyone (parents included) should be given leeway by employers to have flexibility when it comes to contributing to the public versus a private organization.
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by nicbou on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @06:19PM (#24414229)
That's exactly the argument I have made, but perhaps it was under a different branch. I get a bit confused by the flow of conversation on HN.
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by rdtwo on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @06:48PM (#24414521)
What if you joined the national guard I’m pretty sure they would. Why don’t you try it and see
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by klmadfejno on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @08:00PM (#24415084)
Making accommodation rules is hard. There's a lot more parents than there are firefighters. Maybe it makes sense to have a one off rule for parents.
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by 9nGQluzmnq3M on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @09:28PM (#24415739)
I've worked for several companies that offered paid time off for volunteering. (With plenty of conditions and limits, of course.)
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by solidsnack9000 on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @09:57PM (#24415961)
Having kids is not a job.
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by ineedasername on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @10:32PM (#24416255)
Don't get caught up splitting semantic hairs: having kids takes a lot of work. That's all people mean when they refer to it as a "job"
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by solidsnack9000 on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @11:11PM (#24428562)
Well, jacquesm must mean something more than that, because woodworking is also a lot of work but jacquesm seems to feel that parenting should be treated differently.

Recognizing a distinction someone else is trying to draw with a term isn't splitting hairs.

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Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by dang on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @03:01AM (#24418106)
Please don't do this here.
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by recursive on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @07:51PM (#24415004)
That's a hot take. I think a lot (almost all?) parents would rather lose their jobs that put their kids up for adoption. And abortion is only possible prior to birth. Most of the parents we're talking about now had kids prior to covid even being a thing.
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by codemac on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @04:14PM (#24412689)
Completely agreed.

But in the US we don't pay stay at home mother's for their time either.

These companies should help their employees, I'm saying that there is a much deeper problem in our society in how we handle individuals who are not profitable.

Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by jacquesm on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @04:32PM (#24412974)
Fair enough, but that's a problem that could be solved by adopting those 'socialist' measures that are normal in other first world countries. The individual parents are not in a position to make any changes there and their lives are as expensive - and probably more so - as the lives of singles. Resentment is a ridiculous response to a societal problem.
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by luckylion on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @04:40PM (#24413066)
> They are working as much or more. Just not on the same things.

The same can be said about anyone with a hobby though. They are working as much or more. Just not on the same things.

Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by jacquesm on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @04:50PM (#24413171)
Kids are a hobby?
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by zajio1am on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @07:53PM (#24415020)
I guess that most people have children not for societal duty to continue human species, but for personal emotional fulfilment. So in this sense they are hobby.
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by luckylion on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @05:08PM (#24413404)
Your point -as I understood it- was that they do work the same amount, just not on work-stuff, ergo they should be treated as if they worked the same amount on work stuff. And you can absolutely work on hobbies just the same.

Kids are a choice, first and foremost. And we are, as societies, helping quite a bit with the consequences of those choices, and yes, that's mostly funded by the single people.

Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by mlboss on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @07:03PM (#24414657)
I would argue that having kids is the only reasonable goal you can have as a species. Everything else that humans do is optional.
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by luckylion on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @01:21AM (#24417431)
I don't disagree. Yet individually, they are a choice. We're at a strange time in human history, where "(almost) everybody has children" no longer holds true. While children in total are necessary for a society, any individual person's children are not.

We encourage having children by severely lightening the load that comes with having children, but we're not encouraging having children as a life-style choice where you get to cuddle with them and the state takes over any other duties.

Yes, raising children is hard work. No, parents are not doing it for altruistic reasons. Yes, we should support them. No, we shouldn't just push more and more work on non-parents so parents can have an easier time.

Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by throwaway5792 on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @08:26PM (#24427600)
Hang on. Who the hell is having to do more work than before because of parents? Projects get pushed back, scoped down. Childless engineers don't have to be doing 100 hour weeks to compensate.
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by throwaway5792 on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @06:11PM (#24414150)
Kids are not a choice in aggregate. Kids are fundamental to the survival of our species, the only intelligent life we know if in our universe. How myopic.
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by gehsty on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @05:11PM (#24413434)
Another way of thinking about it is that we are all likely to have children at some point, so is a phase that a lot of people go through in their careers, you may not feel like they are working as hard as you (and maybe they aren’t) but if you do end up having kids then they will likely be picking up your slack while you are raising your little ones.
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by johnjj257 on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @05:33PM (#24413715)
That seems silly to just ignore people who don't have kids because "most do". What do you say to the 50 year old with no children? Sucks to be them?
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by gehsty on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @05:23AM (#24419061)
Clearly it doesn't suck to be them, if the only inconvenience they have had is to support their colleagues during times they have needed it then they are not doing too badly.

Also (unfortunately) people who do not have kids, particularly women, are more likely to progress in their career as they have not taken any career breaks, so I guess that could be seen as an upside, though in my opinion is very unfair.

Overall I think companies should be there to support people when they need it, as a company you should plan your resources so people can take paternal / maternal leave, and also so that the other employees aren't overburdened because of it.

Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by johnjj257 on Thursday September 10, 2020 @12:22AM (#24428866)
>Clearly it doesn't suck to be them, if the only inconvenience they have had is to support their colleagues during times they have needed it

How does it not suck that they are getting the short end of the stick? They are the ones covering and picking up slack for others in this situation so I don't even get your point. You have no idea what the rest of their life is like they may in fact work far harder than any parents do, it's just your assumption they dont?

Also if we're assuming peoples states of mind CONVERSELY clearly it doesn't suck to get bailed out for making a bad decision. For people to have children who lack the time and resources to do so, and in some situations put an unfair onus on people who chose not to or for whatever reason don't have kids.

Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by olliej on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @04:13PM (#24412670)
But once your children get to a certain age they can take over a large amount of the work that childless people need to do themselves.

In America it seems children are also expected to support their parents in retirement, which would mean the employers should be providing more retirement support for childless employees.

Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by grovellogic on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @04:26PM (#24412873)
Maybe my perspective is skewed, but most of our parents in the US have many more retirement options than those of us working will. Our parents have been graced with Pension Plans, Social Security, and Medicare most of which will not exists or will be water down by the time we get to it. They have also benefited from a rise in home prices where they have been able to sell and downsize for a great profit. I don't know anyone from my age group taking care of there parents in anyway currently.